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On November 26 2013 18:03 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2013 17:56 Holyflare wrote:On November 26 2013 17:41 Mocsta wrote:On November 26 2013 17:38 Holyflare wrote:On November 26 2013 17:29 Mocsta wrote:On November 26 2013 17:19 Holyflare wrote:You people are silly. Guy claims cop AND who he is checking way before night is over and you expect him to live?? Then you say I'm scum? If i was scum I'd know i wasn't doc and he'd be checking onegu who you all seem to think is scum too, if that were the case why would i let a cop check go off on my team instead of just killing the guy? If he dies I look bad, so what? I've been in the shadows the entire time, watching, getting reads on who to save and then someone claims cop?? Thanks for taking away my heal from someone that needed it. I don't believe he is cop at all. + Show Spoiler +
Cora being alive is a complete farce, I'm pretty sure his cop claim is very very fake because he most definitely would have checked me night 1 or 2 when I claimed over a guy who is actually posting because as he has stated, we don't know what these lurkers alignments are and we will never know, yet, he doesn't check any of our alignments at all. Just onegu who was under the most suspicion to get lynched today anyway?
Couple this with the fact that mocsta was finding ways for me to be scum with NK scenarios OUT LOUD IN THE THREAD, yeh that makes total sense. If he was town he could post this stuff after the night kills to get some solid reasoning but he posts them before the night was over yesterday. If you are town, what were you thinking? Scum is clearly going to go for the one that makes people look the most scummy.
Tl:dr
Cora's claim is fake, misleading town into a most probably towny lynch on onegu.
Why did you heal Corazon? "why would I heal the claimed cop"..........? Is that a real question? Yes, it is a real question.Did you heal him because he claimed; or because you had a town read on him before the claim? I healed him because he claimed. No way I'd let a potential cop die. It's not until after the night and the posts after that I seriously began to consider that he's just making up a lot of bs. so... You admit you were present in the last 40min before deadline because you read the claim and changed action. Why then did you not contribute to any discussion. In fact, as town doctor you were the most likely to be Nk'd as your presence only serves to elongate a scum victory. Thusz I would have expected you to at least reinforce your reads. I welcome your answer to this one lol....
I was afk refreshing f5 in case something happened, doesn't mean I'm going to post in bed, especially something about who I am healing.
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Also, if you play like I am playing you aren't likely to get nk'd, especially if a cop claims too.
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Well quite frankly this cop shenanigan is easy to prove, if you really do want to go and lynch onegu then if he flips green you know cora is lying and is therefore a free mafia lynch.
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Oh wait, how many players are left? 7? Yeh, nevermind then.
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Ok, maybe it's 9, this playerlist is so wrong x_x
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Yeh, we can lynch onegu to prove cora's claim IMO. 9 players we have plenty of time TBH.
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On November 26 2013 18:19 Holyflare wrote:
Yeh, we can lynch onegu to prove cora's claim IMO. 9 players we have plenty of time TBH.
Lay down a vote then pl0x
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On November 26 2013 18:07 Holyflare wrote:
Also, if you play like I am playing you aren't likely to get nk'd, especially if a cop claims too.
This is a poor argument.
A successful doc heal is a successful doc heal, regardless of how poorly you are playing.
I still can not comprehend how a town player could be f5n furiously to note Corazon claim and not post a single thing 30min either side of the flip.
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On November 26 2013 18:53 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2013 18:07 Holyflare wrote:
Also, if you play like I am playing you aren't likely to get nk'd, especially if a cop claims too. This is a poor argument. A successful doc heal is a successful doc heal, regardless of how poorly you are playing. I still can not comprehend how a town player could be f5n furiously to note Corazon claim and not post a single thing 30min either side of the flip.
I was around for lxiii, only casually looking at this, saw flips were coming soon, f5'd, saw cop claim, auto healed and afkd to sleep. It is 3am when the deadline is after all.
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Hey look, I'm not saying that I shouldn't be shot because I should. I'm saying that they are bad for not doing it. Besides, there is so much talk about lynching into me/onegu and because cora claimed cop (i think its fake and he is scum) he easily drew my heal away and then could kill 2 towny looking people.
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On November 26 2013 19:05 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2013 18:53 Mocsta wrote:On November 26 2013 18:07 Holyflare wrote:
Also, if you play like I am playing you aren't likely to get nk'd, especially if a cop claims too. This is a poor argument. A successful doc heal is a successful doc heal, regardless of how poorly you are playing. I still can not comprehend how a town player could be f5n furiously to note Corazon claim and not post a single thing 30min either side of the flip. I was around for lxiii, only casually looking at this, saw flips were coming soon, f5'd, saw cop claim, auto healed and afkd to sleep. It is 3am when the deadline is after all.
That you don't understand what I'm saying blows my mind.
So when are you voting onegu?
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I do understand, you are saying that killing a doctor should supercede everything because saves can ruin their game. However, if a scum claims cop he automatically draws the doctor away and then they do not have to worry about who they kill, therefore they can afford to leave a doctor alive, shoot 2 people and use the cop claims to lynch another person. It's not an awful play.
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On November 26 2013 19:06 Holyflare wrote:
Hey look, I'm not saying that I shouldn't be shot because I should. I'm saying that they are bad for not doing it. Besides, there is so much talk about lynching into me/onegu and because cora claimed cop (i think its fake and he is scum) he easily drew my heal away and then could kill 2 towny looking people.
So let me get this straight.
Before the cop claim.. jampi and onegu were the two lynch candidates discussed.
Scum already had a masyerplan to fake claim set in motion night 1 and decided to unveil with dubious timing to secure a MYLO Victory.
.using this logic surely jampi is scum.. otherwise scum wouldn't care and let either be lynched.
So wanna swap to chezinu holy?
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On November 26 2013 19:08 Holyflare wrote:
I do understand, you are saying that killing a doctor should supercede everything because saves can ruin their game. However, if a scum claims cop he automatically draws the doctor away and then they do not have to worry about who they kill, therefore they can afford to leave a doctor alive, shoot 2 people and use the cop claims to lynch another person. It's not an awful play.
No that's not what I'm saying.
I'm talking about a town player expecting to die. Known for talking a lot.. can be present at lynch deadline and not say a word.
Blows my mind.
..so where is ya vote going?
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Like frankly look at it this way, if you are/were scum:
Guy claim doctor but acts really scummy ---> maybe can push mislynch on him (as cora has been doing)
They save their kills for 2 kills and there is a doctor ----- > fake claim cop to draw heal so 2 shots definitely go through and aren't wasted (as cora did)
Like, why else would you claim in the middle of the night as cop!?!? There's no legit reason unless you think the doc claim is legit or want to draw a heal away from your shots. To then push me as the day starts again? That doesn't make sense at all
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On November 26 2013 19:10 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2013 19:08 Holyflare wrote:
I do understand, you are saying that killing a doctor should supercede everything because saves can ruin their game. However, if a scum claims cop he automatically draws the doctor away and then they do not have to worry about who they kill, therefore they can afford to leave a doctor alive, shoot 2 people and use the cop claims to lynch another person. It's not an awful play. No that's not what I'm saying. I'm talking about a town player expecting to die. Known for talking a lot.. can be present at lynch deadline and not say a word. Blows my mind. ..so where is ya vote going?
Either cora or onegu, I have to read onegu some more.
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This is fucking awesome. The game is pretty much solved if you think about it.
First thing's first. Cora's gotta be telling the truth. If he's scum and lying then he's been planning this since N1 as well as playing a a very townie D2.and making a ridiculous fake-claim just to win in style. I just really don't see it.
So yay I'm pretty much confirmed town. Now I don't have to take crap from anyone 
I really really doubt that scum saw him make his claim before the deadline. At first I thought, what if they have framer and just framed Onegu, but this doesn't really make sense. Scum would have no way to know Cora doesn't change his check. Leaving a claimed cop alive and unroleblocked is senseless. And also very important to note, they didn't even shoot me (his green check).
So Bereft and Mocsta are pretty much confirmed town I think, seeing as they were in the thread and saw the claim. Very nice play Cora 
That means all 3 scum are in here {Onegu, Slam, Chezinu, HolyFlare}
Does anyone see a problem with the above logic? If not we are in fantastic shape.
Onegu with a red check on him is probably scum. The only way he could be town is if Cora is lying (very unlikely), scum saw the claim and framed him (very unlikely; see above), or if he is a miller (odds are not high).
Given the fact that we have a cop, and there were 2 shots last night, and really just everything points to HF scum.
Slam is looking towny to me and Chez is just ???. Not worried about them right now as we have several days to figure them out.
In any case, of 4 possible players that can be scum, we're certainly not going to lynch the 3 without red checks on them. So all aboard the Onegu train.
##Vote: Onegu
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On November 26 2013 18:16 Holyflare wrote:
Ok, maybe it's 9, this playerlist is so wrong x_x
There are 8 players left.
@HF
+ Show Spoiler +On November 26 2013 17:19 Holyflare wrote:
You people are silly. Guy claims cop AND who he is checking way before night is over and you expect him to live?? Then you say I'm scum?
On November 26 2013 17:19 Holyflare wrote:
Tl:dr
Cora's claim is fake, misleading town into a most probably towny lynch on onegu.
How are you so certain the claim is not legit? I'm pretty sure you are scum but I'll humor you. Let's say you are town. Now why can't the scumteam be Onegu + Slam + Chezinu, all of which were not around at the deadline and presumably not see Cora claim.
Also do I have this right?. You're saying you were in the thread but before the deadline but didn't post anything? What if you had died? You didn't want anyone to know you had saved Cora?
Yea I'm pretty sure Onegu and HF are both scum. Everything's pointing that way.
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The scum team CAN be those 3, but I got a towny feel from Onegu. He gets called out on "making things up" but why would he spend what looks like hours on cases to only be disproved because he misread timestamps? That is the most obvious thing anyone can point out ever. He isn't that bad as scum simply put.
That's the thing you aren't seeing when you say other scenarios. If onegu is scum, why would cora be still alive when he most definitely said who he was checking today? Onegu has been playing and I've been lurking so what right do I have to stay in the game? They had 2kp, they could double stack cora or kill me and cora. If they double stacked cora not only would they get rid of a cop checking scum but they could make me look totally bad too because I "didn't heal the cop". Mocsta is now implying I wasn't around for the cop shenanigans but if I wasn't then why would scum not shoot cora because he most definitely wouldn't have been my save target otherwise.
The real question that you don't seem to be acknowledging is that cora claimed cop at night time and still didn't die. WHY?
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It doesn't really matter anymore, this role is self confirming and there's a "red check":
1.) alakaslam
3.) JarJarDrinks
4.) cDgCorazon
5.) Bereft
7.) Mocsta
9.) Onegu
10.) Holyflare
11.) sciberbia
12.) chez
that's 9 players, am i missing something?
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