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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9695 Posts
November 26 2013 08:06 GMT
#2121
On November 26 2013 16:51 Mocsta wrote:
The held back is rean talking about sciberbia.

Lol..

And no one ever called you scummy for being afk.



Really need me to quote cora, he says I was inactive and the when called out suddenly become active.
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Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
November 26 2013 08:07 GMT
#2122
The jampi case is where held up comes from
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9695 Posts
November 26 2013 08:08 GMT
#2123
On November 26 2013 17:06 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2013 16:51 Mocsta wrote:
The held back is rean talking about sciberbia.

Lol..

And no one ever called you scummy for being afk.



Really need me to quote cora, he says I was inactive and the when called out suddenly become active.


And am scummy for it.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9695 Posts
November 26 2013 08:19 GMT
#2124
Mocsta why arent you giveing the whole quotes? In the first post jamp says he has only skimmed the thread but will read with actual thought.

Why leave that part out then make him look bad for changeing his read. And he only says he will consoildate on rean then next post says aqua is still scum. Not sure what you were going for.

Here is the whole post

On November 20 2013 17:42 jampidampi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2013 17:33 Mocsta wrote:
On November 20 2013 17:29 jampidampi wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

On November 20 2013 17:24 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2013 17:20 jampidampi wrote:
On November 20 2013 13:19 Rean wrote:
On November 20 2013 13:14 Bereft wrote:
he wasn't actually calling mocsta scum. just you.

i don't see the distinction between mocsta's explicitly stating and sciberia's "window looking". how were they different? could you expand pls?


He means that Mocsta is going around calling people scum or town straightup, unlike Sciberia who is more held back.


At this point, what in Sciberias posting came to you as held back?

Hi jampidampi,

Help me out please.
Firstly, I assume you have read the whole thread, thus consider this post to be significant enough to warrant being your introduction post?

Secondly, Are you querying Rean for information about Rean or Sciberbia?

I'm asking him about his thought process.
I find that "held back" is a very interesting way to describe Sciberias play up to that point, imo he was one of the most direct poeple at that time.
OK, thanks.

Have you read the whole thread?

Is it safe to assume that because you are "intrigued" by Rean, you are in any agreement with Aquanim case on Rean?

Yes I have read the thread once for a sense of game flow. Rereading now with actual thought.

Aquas case has some merit to it if Reans reasons for thinking Sciberbia was "held back" are not good. If Rean had good reasons to think Scib was "held back" then it kinda falls apart.



Mocsta is cutting portions out to suit his needs.
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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 26 2013 08:19 GMT
#2125
You people are silly. Guy claims cop AND who he is checking way before night is over and you expect him to live?? Then you say I'm scum?

If i was scum I'd know i wasn't doc and he'd be checking onegu who you all seem to think is scum too, if that were the case why would i let a cop check go off on my team instead of just killing the guy?

If he dies I look bad, so what? I've been in the shadows the entire time, watching, getting reads on who to save and then someone claims cop?? Thanks for taking away my heal from someone that needed it. I don't believe he is cop at all.

Cora being alive is a complete farce, I'm pretty sure his cop claim is very very fake because he most definitely would have checked me night 1 or 2 when I claimed over a guy who is actually posting because as he has stated, we don't know what these lurkers alignments are and we will never know, yet, he doesn't check any of our alignments at all. Just onegu who was under the most suspicion to get lynched today anyway?



Couple this with the fact that mocsta was finding ways for me to be scum with NK scenarios OUT LOUD IN THE THREAD, yeh that makes total sense. If he was town he could post this stuff after the night kills to get some solid reasoning but he posts them before the night was over yesterday. If you are town, what were you thinking? Scum is clearly going to go for the one that makes people look the most scummy.




Tl:dr

Cora's claim is fake, misleading town into a most probably towny lynch on onegu.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
November 26 2013 08:28 GMT
#2126
On November 26 2013 17:19 Onegu wrote:
Mocsta why arent you giveing the whole quotes? In the first post jamp says he has only skimmed the thread but will read with actual thought.

Why leave that part out then make him look bad for changeing his read. And he only says he will consoildate on rean then next post says aqua is still scum. Not sure what you were going for.

Here is the whole post

Show nested quote +
On November 20 2013 17:42 jampidampi wrote:
On November 20 2013 17:33 Mocsta wrote:
On November 20 2013 17:29 jampidampi wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

On November 20 2013 17:24 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2013 17:20 jampidampi wrote:
On November 20 2013 13:19 Rean wrote:
On November 20 2013 13:14 Bereft wrote:
he wasn't actually calling mocsta scum. just you.

i don't see the distinction between mocsta's explicitly stating and sciberia's "window looking". how were they different? could you expand pls?


He means that Mocsta is going around calling people scum or town straightup, unlike Sciberia who is more held back.


At this point, what in Sciberias posting came to you as held back?

Hi jampidampi,

Help me out please.
Firstly, I assume you have read the whole thread, thus consider this post to be significant enough to warrant being your introduction post?

Secondly, Are you querying Rean for information about Rean or Sciberbia?

I'm asking him about his thought process.
I find that "held back" is a very interesting way to describe Sciberias play up to that point, imo he was one of the most direct poeple at that time.
OK, thanks.

Have you read the whole thread?

Is it safe to assume that because you are "intrigued" by Rean, you are in any agreement with Aquanim case on Rean?

Yes I have read the thread once for a sense of game flow. Rereading now with actual thought.

Aquas case has some merit to it if Reans reasons for thinking Sciberbia was "held back" are not good. If Rean had good reasons to think Scib was "held back" then it kinda falls apart.



Mocsta is cutting portions out to suit his needs.
So what you are telling me is that if jampi posts as a precursor (My reads could change after a re-read) its OK.
But if Mocsta does the same thing its scummy??

LOl

& Onegu I supplied the whole quote. I dunno what you are getting at.
This is the ump-teenth time you have misread literally what people are writing.
Its so obvious you dont believe a thing you are stating.

For those unsure:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=435582&currentpage=95#1882

Onegu is referring to the first quote. Its there in full.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
November 26 2013 08:29 GMT
#2127
On November 26 2013 17:19 Holyflare wrote:
You people are silly. Guy claims cop AND who he is checking way before night is over and you expect him to live?? Then you say I'm scum?

If i was scum I'd know i wasn't doc and he'd be checking onegu who you all seem to think is scum too, if that were the case why would i let a cop check go off on my team instead of just killing the guy?

If he dies I look bad, so what? I've been in the shadows the entire time, watching, getting reads on who to save and then someone claims cop?? Thanks for taking away my heal from someone that needed it. I don't believe he is cop at all.
+ Show Spoiler +

Cora being alive is a complete farce, I'm pretty sure his cop claim is very very fake because he most definitely would have checked me night 1 or 2 when I claimed over a guy who is actually posting because as he has stated, we don't know what these lurkers alignments are and we will never know, yet, he doesn't check any of our alignments at all. Just onegu who was under the most suspicion to get lynched today anyway?



Couple this with the fact that mocsta was finding ways for me to be scum with NK scenarios OUT LOUD IN THE THREAD, yeh that makes total sense. If he was town he could post this stuff after the night kills to get some solid reasoning but he posts them before the night was over yesterday. If you are town, what were you thinking? Scum is clearly going to go for the one that makes people look the most scummy.




Tl:dr

Cora's claim is fake, misleading town into a most probably towny lynch on onegu.
Why did you heal Corazon?
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
November 26 2013 08:33 GMT
#2128
On November 26 2013 17:19 Holyflare wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
You people are silly. Guy claims cop AND who he is checking way before night is over and you expect him to live?? Then you say I'm scum?

If i was scum I'd know i wasn't doc and he'd be checking onegu who you all seem to think is scum too, if that were the case why would i let a cop check go off on my team instead of just killing the guy?

If he dies I look bad, so what? I've been in the shadows the entire time, watching, getting reads on who to save and then someone claims cop?? Thanks for taking away my heal from someone that needed it. I don't believe he is cop at all.

Cora being alive is a complete farce, I'm pretty sure his cop claim is very very fake because he most definitely would have checked me night 1 or 2 when I claimed over a guy who is actually posting because as he has stated, we don't know what these lurkers alignments are and we will never know, yet, he doesn't check any of our alignments at all. Just onegu who was under the most suspicion to get lynched today anyway?
Why would a cop check you when if you claim is true, you are at risk of being shot?
This is beyond stupendous.

Couple this with the fact that mocsta was finding ways for me to be scum with NK scenarios OUT LOUD IN THE THREAD, yeh that makes total sense. If he was town he could post this stuff after the night kills to get some solid reasoning but he posts them before the night was over yesterday. If you are town, what were you thinking? Scum is clearly going to go for the one that makes people look the most scummy.
LOL NK scenarios are fact. Whether I voice them in the thread or not, does not change the KP scenarios, and if anything gave you an opportunity to still be the doctor with 2KP -- something in your favour.

Tl:dr

Cora's claim is fake, misleading town into a most probably towny lynch on onegu.
So whose scum.. Me + Cora, and who else?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 26 2013 08:38 GMT
#2129
On November 26 2013 17:29 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2013 17:19 Holyflare wrote:
You people are silly. Guy claims cop AND who he is checking way before night is over and you expect him to live?? Then you say I'm scum?

If i was scum I'd know i wasn't doc and he'd be checking onegu who you all seem to think is scum too, if that were the case why would i let a cop check go off on my team instead of just killing the guy?

If he dies I look bad, so what? I've been in the shadows the entire time, watching, getting reads on who to save and then someone claims cop?? Thanks for taking away my heal from someone that needed it. I don't believe he is cop at all.
+ Show Spoiler +

Cora being alive is a complete farce, I'm pretty sure his cop claim is very very fake because he most definitely would have checked me night 1 or 2 when I claimed over a guy who is actually posting because as he has stated, we don't know what these lurkers alignments are and we will never know, yet, he doesn't check any of our alignments at all. Just onegu who was under the most suspicion to get lynched today anyway?



Couple this with the fact that mocsta was finding ways for me to be scum with NK scenarios OUT LOUD IN THE THREAD, yeh that makes total sense. If he was town he could post this stuff after the night kills to get some solid reasoning but he posts them before the night was over yesterday. If you are town, what were you thinking? Scum is clearly going to go for the one that makes people look the most scummy.




Tl:dr

Cora's claim is fake, misleading town into a most probably towny lynch on onegu.
Why did you heal Corazon?


"why would I heal the claimed cop"..........? Is that a real question?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 26 2013 08:39 GMT
#2130
Mocsta, use your brain for gods sake. If he thought my claim was true he wouldn't be pushing for my/onegu's lynch today would he?
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
November 26 2013 08:41 GMT
#2131
On November 26 2013 17:38 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2013 17:29 Mocsta wrote:
On November 26 2013 17:19 Holyflare wrote:
You people are silly. Guy claims cop AND who he is checking way before night is over and you expect him to live?? Then you say I'm scum?

If i was scum I'd know i wasn't doc and he'd be checking onegu who you all seem to think is scum too, if that were the case why would i let a cop check go off on my team instead of just killing the guy?

If he dies I look bad, so what? I've been in the shadows the entire time, watching, getting reads on who to save and then someone claims cop?? Thanks for taking away my heal from someone that needed it. I don't believe he is cop at all.
+ Show Spoiler +

Cora being alive is a complete farce, I'm pretty sure his cop claim is very very fake because he most definitely would have checked me night 1 or 2 when I claimed over a guy who is actually posting because as he has stated, we don't know what these lurkers alignments are and we will never know, yet, he doesn't check any of our alignments at all. Just onegu who was under the most suspicion to get lynched today anyway?



Couple this with the fact that mocsta was finding ways for me to be scum with NK scenarios OUT LOUD IN THE THREAD, yeh that makes total sense. If he was town he could post this stuff after the night kills to get some solid reasoning but he posts them before the night was over yesterday. If you are town, what were you thinking? Scum is clearly going to go for the one that makes people look the most scummy.




Tl:dr

Cora's claim is fake, misleading town into a most probably towny lynch on onegu.
Why did you heal Corazon?


"why would I heal the claimed cop"..........? Is that a real question?
Yes, it is a real question.

Did you heal him because he claimed; or because you had a town read on him before the claim?
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9695 Posts
November 26 2013 08:41 GMT
#2132
Ok you spoiler it. I dont get why you spoil it. Really feels like you are trying to hide shit. dont even say I say its ok for him to change his reads but not you, you have done it MULTIPLE TIMES, I even say you can change your reads but you do 3 magical rereads and change your reads from scum to town and town to scum each time with no reasons given on alot of them, or only one liners. Also his reads come at a point, the his reads change once and not again like you suggest. He says he will consolidate but never takes his read back. He left himself outs you say, but he never used them. He kept his story. And aqua was confirmation biased he thought you were town, didnt have a read on jamp who tunneled him. He read over your case andddnt fact check it so you bringing up a confirmed town agreed with you means nothing.
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Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
November 26 2013 08:41 GMT
#2133
On November 26 2013 17:39 Holyflare wrote:
Mocsta, use your brain for gods sake. If he thought my claim was true he wouldn't be pushing for my/onegu's lynch today would he?
How about: you fill in the gap, instead of ask me to fill it for you.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
November 26 2013 08:45 GMT
#2134
On November 26 2013 17:41 Onegu wrote:
Ok you spoiler it. I dont get why you spoil it. Really feels like you are trying to hide shit. dont even say I say its ok for him to change his reads but not you, you have done it MULTIPLE TIMES, I even say you can change your reads but you do 3 magical rereads and change your reads from scum to town and town to scum each time with no reasons given on alot of them, or only one liners. Also his reads come at a point, the his reads change once and not again like you suggest. He says he will consolidate but never takes his read back. He left himself outs you say, but he never used them. He kept his story. And aqua was confirmation biased he thought you were town, didnt have a read on jamp who tunneled him. He read over your case andddnt fact check it so you bringing up a confirmed town agreed with you means nothing.

LOl..

so you are comparing the filter of a Day1 lurker; or a Day3 active.. and then suggesting that the Day1 lurker changes his mind less?.. no shit sherlock

Aqua was C.B'd lol? Is that how you justify your position now?

Spoilering posts means I want to hide stuff --> Scummy LOL...

Let me know when you are ready to stop changing up your story
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9695 Posts
November 26 2013 08:56 GMT
#2135
On November 26 2013 17:45 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2013 17:41 Onegu wrote:
Ok you spoiler it. I dont get why you spoil it. Really feels like you are trying to hide shit. dont even say I say its ok for him to change his reads but not you, you have done it MULTIPLE TIMES, I even say you can change your reads but you do 3 magical rereads and change your reads from scum to town and town to scum each time with no reasons given on alot of them, or only one liners. Also his reads come at a point, the his reads change once and not again like you suggest. He says he will consolidate but never takes his read back. He left himself outs you say, but he never used them. He kept his story. And aqua was confirmation biased he thought you were town, didnt have a read on jamp who tunneled him. He read over your case andddnt fact check it so you bringing up a confirmed town agreed with you means nothing.

LOl..

so you are comparing the filter of a Day1 lurker; or a Day3 active.. and then suggesting that the Day1 lurker changes his mind less?.. no shit sherlock

Aqua was C.B'd lol? Is that how you justify your position now?

Spoilering posts means I want to hide stuff --> Scummy LOL...

Let me know when you are ready to stop changing up your story



Yeah remember that part about not responding to you or cora, we arent getting anywhere. And Im not going to keep shitting up the thread with you. I know you are going to try to use onegu wasnt reading, onegu doesnt know what he was talking about when I flip, Im guess its the first post you make after I flip.

You are the one who brought up Aqua a confirmed townie agreeing with your case, I am showimg why that doesnt mean anything when it comes to that townie haveing a town read on you, at minumum a null read on jamp, and the case is about jamp haveing a scum read on aqua.
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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 26 2013 08:56 GMT
#2136
On November 26 2013 17:41 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2013 17:38 Holyflare wrote:
On November 26 2013 17:29 Mocsta wrote:
On November 26 2013 17:19 Holyflare wrote:
You people are silly. Guy claims cop AND who he is checking way before night is over and you expect him to live?? Then you say I'm scum?

If i was scum I'd know i wasn't doc and he'd be checking onegu who you all seem to think is scum too, if that were the case why would i let a cop check go off on my team instead of just killing the guy?

If he dies I look bad, so what? I've been in the shadows the entire time, watching, getting reads on who to save and then someone claims cop?? Thanks for taking away my heal from someone that needed it. I don't believe he is cop at all.
+ Show Spoiler +

Cora being alive is a complete farce, I'm pretty sure his cop claim is very very fake because he most definitely would have checked me night 1 or 2 when I claimed over a guy who is actually posting because as he has stated, we don't know what these lurkers alignments are and we will never know, yet, he doesn't check any of our alignments at all. Just onegu who was under the most suspicion to get lynched today anyway?



Couple this with the fact that mocsta was finding ways for me to be scum with NK scenarios OUT LOUD IN THE THREAD, yeh that makes total sense. If he was town he could post this stuff after the night kills to get some solid reasoning but he posts them before the night was over yesterday. If you are town, what were you thinking? Scum is clearly going to go for the one that makes people look the most scummy.




Tl:dr

Cora's claim is fake, misleading town into a most probably towny lynch on onegu.
Why did you heal Corazon?


"why would I heal the claimed cop"..........? Is that a real question?
Yes, it is a real question.

Did you heal him because he claimed; or because you had a town read on him before the claim?


I healed him because he claimed. No way I'd let a potential cop die. It's not until after the night and the posts after that I seriously began to consider that he's just making up a lot of bs.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 26 2013 09:02 GMT
#2137
Also, mocsta, please read the top part of my post and explain it to me.

As for the point you want explaining:

Cora has pushed for my lynch/onegu's lynch for coming on 2 days now. If he didn't believe my claim starting from the last day then why didn't he cop check me after I claimed doc on night 1? That would seem like a very easy confirm would it not? He says the play is stupid, doesn't agree with it and doesn't check me? Those things do not add up.

I can get why he didn't check me night 2 though, in case I actually die and it's a wasted vote. Here's the real thing though. Why does he think I am lying about being a doctor and subsequently pushing for my lynch but also claiming cop in the middle of the night?. If i'm scum, I shoot him and get a cop out of the way who is supposedly checking my red checked team mate onegu because I know I wouldn't be doctor and therefore he wouldn't be saved.

If he does believe my claim and claimed cop, why is he then pushing for my lynch with onegu still???
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
November 26 2013 09:03 GMT
#2138
On November 26 2013 17:56 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2013 17:41 Mocsta wrote:
On November 26 2013 17:38 Holyflare wrote:
On November 26 2013 17:29 Mocsta wrote:
On November 26 2013 17:19 Holyflare wrote:
You people are silly. Guy claims cop AND who he is checking way before night is over and you expect him to live?? Then you say I'm scum?

If i was scum I'd know i wasn't doc and he'd be checking onegu who you all seem to think is scum too, if that were the case why would i let a cop check go off on my team instead of just killing the guy?

If he dies I look bad, so what? I've been in the shadows the entire time, watching, getting reads on who to save and then someone claims cop?? Thanks for taking away my heal from someone that needed it. I don't believe he is cop at all.
+ Show Spoiler +

Cora being alive is a complete farce, I'm pretty sure his cop claim is very very fake because he most definitely would have checked me night 1 or 2 when I claimed over a guy who is actually posting because as he has stated, we don't know what these lurkers alignments are and we will never know, yet, he doesn't check any of our alignments at all. Just onegu who was under the most suspicion to get lynched today anyway?



Couple this with the fact that mocsta was finding ways for me to be scum with NK scenarios OUT LOUD IN THE THREAD, yeh that makes total sense. If he was town he could post this stuff after the night kills to get some solid reasoning but he posts them before the night was over yesterday. If you are town, what were you thinking? Scum is clearly going to go for the one that makes people look the most scummy.




Tl:dr

Cora's claim is fake, misleading town into a most probably towny lynch on onegu.
Why did you heal Corazon?


"why would I heal the claimed cop"..........? Is that a real question?
Yes, it is a real question.

Did you heal him because he claimed; or because you had a town read on him before the claim?


I healed him because he claimed. No way I'd let a potential cop die. It's not until after the night and the posts after that I seriously began to consider that he's just making up a lot of bs.
so... You admit you were present in the last 40min before deadline because you read the claim and changed action.

Why then did you not contribute to any discussion.

In fact, as town doctor you were the most likely to be Nk'd as your presence only serves to elongate a scum victory.
Thusz I would have expected you to at least reinforce your reads.

I welcome your answer to this one lol....
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9695 Posts
November 26 2013 09:04 GMT
#2139
My next post will be my case on cora, and then nothing more, unless someone other than cora or mocsta have questions of me. And you guys should think ahead to what happens if onegu flips green, as well as if onegu flips red moreso than rayn or JJD because this is mylo.
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Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
November 26 2013 09:06 GMT
#2140
On November 26 2013 17:56 Onegu wrote:
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On November 26 2013 17:45 Mocsta wrote:
On November 26 2013 17:41 Onegu wrote:
Ok you spoiler it. I dont get why you spoil it. Really feels like you are trying to hide shit. dont even say I say its ok for him to change his reads but not you, you have done it MULTIPLE TIMES, I even say you can change your reads but you do 3 magical rereads and change your reads from scum to town and town to scum each time with no reasons given on alot of them, or only one liners. Also his reads come at a point, the his reads change once and not again like you suggest. He says he will consolidate but never takes his read back. He left himself outs you say, but he never used them. He kept his story. And aqua was confirmation biased he thought you were town, didnt have a read on jamp who tunneled him. He read over your case andddnt fact check it so you bringing up a confirmed town agreed with you means nothing.

LOl..

so you are comparing the filter of a Day1 lurker; or a Day3 active.. and then suggesting that the Day1 lurker changes his mind less?.. no shit sherlock

Aqua was C.B'd lol? Is that how you justify your position now?

Spoilering posts means I want to hide stuff --> Scummy LOL...

Let me know when you are ready to stop changing up your story



Yeah remember that part about not responding to you or cora, we arent getting anywhere. And Im not going to keep shitting up the thread with you. I know you are going to try to use onegu wasnt reading, onegu doesnt know what he was talking about when I flip, Im guess its the first post you make after I flip.

You are the one who brought up Aqua a confirmed townie agreeing with your case, I am showimg why that doesnt mean anything when it comes to that townie haveing a town read on you, at minumum a null read on jamp, and the case is about jamp haveing a scum read on aqua.
blszinghand
Scumslips do exist.

We are in MYLO. Note how onegu refers to me using his filter after he flips.

We got ourselves here scum boys n girls.
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