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onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
November 08 2013 18:04 GMT
#6
Am I allowed to play one more newbie game? I feel like I'm still not good enough to play real games. I think just one more time would help a lot so I'll get a chance to play a role for the second time. In the other games I played a different role each time (VT, Blue, and mafia).
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onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
November 08 2013 18:56 GMT
#14
Oh cool, I think one more game will actually help me a lot. I need redemption after the last game.

/in
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onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
November 20 2013 18:37 GMT
#42
/out

same :\
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onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
December 25 2013 19:35 GMT
#117
/obs if possible.
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onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
January 02 2014 22:38 GMT
#166
On January 03 2014 07:36 JonnyLaw wrote:
Dunno why balla cares so much anyway. He's confirmed scum.

66% scum rate so far. Stats don't lie.
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onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
January 05 2014 20:53 GMT
#222
/in but if nyx gets unbanned he can have my spot.
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onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
January 05 2014 22:38 GMT
#246
On January 06 2014 07:34 chinstrap wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2014 07:29 Balla24 wrote:
Who's gonna help me create a tough environment for mafia to hide in & help me lynch some mafia? If so, how do you suggest we proceed in day 1?

My top priorities are

- to start the game at a very high pace, to make sure that lurking is not only discouraged but also easy to spot and call out.
- immediately start some conversation by having some arguments (this is where its a bit tricky), we need people to fos right away when they feel off about somebody so that we can start reading each other.


Sounds like overeager towncred grabbing scum play to me.

##Vote: Balla24

I think you might be jumping the gun a little bit on this one. Don't get me wrong, Balla plays a scary mafia because he looks town almost the entire game, but in the game he was town he was very active and led the town by making lots and lots of posts. So his MO is always being active regardless of alignment.
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onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
January 05 2014 22:54 GMT
#250
I don't feel like the IC should just have free reign to mess around. We know he's not scum but I still felt the need to say why his read may be off. I know you're all about hunting scum, but there's value in not sparking early suspicion on people who may be town.

My main goal this game is to be more active and contribute meaningful analysis to the town. This may seem basic, but I've failed at it the last couple games so I'm hoping to actually follow through with it this time.
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onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
January 05 2014 23:13 GMT
#260
On January 06 2014 07:59 chinstrap wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2014 07:55 Balla24 wrote:
You must of misunderstood me... "my goals of catching scum" not specifically my OWN priorities. I'm fine with others having their own priorities, but overall this game is about catching scum.

Another point, i'm not active in lynching lurkers, that's not what he said and its not what I said. My goal is to create an environment where it's HARD to survive as a lurker, that is, a very active game where the lurker #s are down very very low and are easy to single out. If it comes to the point where i have to lynch a lurker because there's no better lynch I will but that is not my priority.


I was mid drafting a post very similar to your second paragraph but the NFL playoffs can be distracting.

Anti lurking environment is great, randomly policy lynching lurkers is not.

However a policy debate is also highly distracting. So lets get past that and concentrate on finding dem sucummers.

Ps. I never mess around!

Are policy debates generally considered to be distracting? I find analyzing people's opinions on policy and trying to find scum based on that more productive than just lynching lurkers.
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onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
January 06 2014 20:27 GMT
#432
On January 06 2014 11:22 Balla24 wrote:
Ok, seems reasonable that i'm overthinking it and it's not an attempt to pocket me but more him actually being disappointed with the IC's play so far.

Anyways, him attempting to pocket me isn't really something i see him doing from my experience with him.

I'm not familiar with the term pocketing. I didn't realize he was joking so I defended you. We've played with some confrontational players in these last few newb games so I thought he was just being super aggro.

I'm not comfortable with a Derrida lynch Day 1 just yet. I think his inexperience is showing more than his scumminess. He was gone for a large portion of the day and was trying to make up for his inactivity by posting a lot of information. Unfortunately it's really easy to sheep when there has already been so much discussion prior to posting.

Although now that I refresh the page I see that the discussion has sort of shifted away from Derrida. My main scum reads at the moment are Dragoon and Day_Walker. They seem to be interacting a decent amount, which isn't inherently scummy, but they go out of there way to distance themselves from each other.

Dragoon says "For the record, I want to make it clear that I never said I completely trust Day_Walker,"

Then Day_Walker says:

On January 06 2014 21:03 Day_Walker wrote:
At the risk of playing into the "Day_Walker and theDragoon are protecting each other because they are both scum" read, what do you make of theDragoon standing up for Asuna?

Show nested quote +
On January 06 2014 15:49 theDragoon wrote:
On January 06 2014 15:30 JonnyLaw wrote:


Excuses, bandwagoning and self doubt in one line.

I'm down to lynch Asuna or OWB at this point.

Dragoon and Chyz read more as if they're trying but misguided.


That's enough of a reason to lynch Asuna? I don't see that as good enough to suspect Asuna of being mafia, unless you know more than what you've said there. Those 3 things you listed there is just a sign of an inexperienced player, it has nothing to do with being a scum.


Off the top of my head I can think of only two scenarios where this is consistent with theDragoon scum AND Asuna townie:
1) Scum are protecting some townies to make things harder to read.
2) Scum are trying to make it easier to play the "I'm a newbie" card.


I understand wanting to get out ahead of these accusations, but that doesn't mean we should ignore it simply because he pushed Dragoon slightly. These just seem like they are trying to distance themselves early so if either if them go down we don't suspect them as a scum pair.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
January 06 2014 20:32 GMT
#435
On January 07 2014 05:28 Balla24 wrote:
That's exactly how i was thinking OWB... however i'm trying to avoid thinking about scum pairs atm, as it IS day 1 and we have no confirmed scum yet. It is good to note though.

Yeah, I realize I might be jumping the gun, but I saw a chance to present some new analysis so I took it. That said I'm comfortable voting for Dragoon.

##vote theDragoon
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
January 06 2014 20:39 GMT
#439
I'm thinking town at the moment. He had every right to push me based on past games and pushing Asuna prompted a spirited response that showed more insight on her than we had before. I really, really hate his arrogance when he said "I'm not going to be lynched today so don't waste your time trying asuna," but I think he was right for the most part. He was kinda of aggro last game when he was town so nothing seems out of character. Especially where he calls out people for using "I'm new" as an excuse, he hates that.
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onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
January 06 2014 20:40 GMT
#440
EBWOP: ^ in regards to JonnyLaw
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onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
January 06 2014 20:49 GMT
#444
I did get the timeline wrong, but that would be a pretty shitty tactic for me to use in order to "frame" someone considering how easy that would be to check. I was sorting through a lot of information and messed up the order. I still think my point stand where you guys are trying to distance yourself.
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onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
January 06 2014 21:01 GMT
#447
On January 07 2014 05:59 Asuna wrote:
Huh, I wasn't expecting dragoon to instavote owb after a small timeline messup (since votes are understood to be 100% serious). Not sure what to think about that...

Show nested quote +
On January 07 2014 05:50 Balla24 wrote:
I honestly think that we caught 2 scum here hehe

I'm assuming dragoon is one, but who's #2?

Show nested quote +
On January 07 2014 05:40 Balla24 wrote:
hahahahahah JonnyLax hahahahahahahaha holy shit that was good

And what's this about o.O confused D:

chinstrap called JonnyLaw JonnyLax in a post on the last page.

If my theory hold true #2 would be Day_Walker
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
January 06 2014 21:55 GMT
#467
On January 07 2014 06:36 Balla24 wrote:
So you don't find it suspicious that he was so enamored with Day_walker and that he came up with a NULL read on you?

What about his read on me, you're becoming more suspicious of me so is what he said aligned with your thinking?

@OWB: Was Day_walker/Dragoon the only connection you found? Let's hear anything else in regards to connections like that since that was how you seemed to be hunting. I found a few more weak connections, but i'd like you to prove that you were actually hunting and you didn't just find ONE thing to latch onto.


I know it's not the answer you want to hear, but that's the only real pair that stood out to me. I didn't start hunting with the goal of finding pairs, that one just sort of happened. I'm glad you think I'm capable of doing good analysis, but nothing else really stood out to me (or at least nothing that hadn't already been said). Don't think I didn't take my time to formulate my analysis on Day_Walker and Dragoon though
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
January 06 2014 22:29 GMT
#479
Yes
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onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
January 06 2014 22:36 GMT
#481
On January 07 2014 07:02 theDragoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2014 06:55 onlywonderboy wrote:
On January 07 2014 06:36 Balla24 wrote:
So you don't find it suspicious that he was so enamored with Day_walker and that he came up with a NULL read on you?

What about his read on me, you're becoming more suspicious of me so is what he said aligned with your thinking?

@OWB: Was Day_walker/Dragoon the only connection you found? Let's hear anything else in regards to connections like that since that was how you seemed to be hunting. I found a few more weak connections, but i'd like you to prove that you were actually hunting and you didn't just find ONE thing to latch onto.


I know it's not the answer you want to hear, but that's the only real pair that stood out to me. I didn't start hunting with the goal of finding pairs, that one just sort of happened. I'm glad you think I'm capable of doing good analysis, but nothing else really stood out to me (or at least nothing that hadn't already been said). Don't think I didn't take my time to formulate my analysis on Day_Walker and Dragoon though


What do you think of Derrida giving Day_Walker the green light and have COMPLETE TRUST in him? You label Day_Walker and I as scum because I "seemingly trusted and turned by back on him so we can distance ourselves". I don't think you're reading my posts at all since I have never trusted Day_Walker ONCE. I'll know when you start reading my posts when you remove that vote on me. I still want you to prove the part where I gave my trust in Day_Walker and pinpoint the exact moment where I try to "distance myself" from him.

I'm of the mindset that Derrida's initial reads were pretty bad and I'm not reading too much into them. I did something almost exactly the same in my first game where I agreed with people fairly blindly and I didn't really have solid reasons for why I did. It looks scummy but I think it's just be bad town play.

He is right though, he doesn't specifically say he trusts Day_Walker. He is distancing himself but it may just be a result of people calling him out for trusting him in the first place. I'm leaving my vote for now but I'm open to the idea of lynching another target if one presents itself. Possibly Day_Walker since he hasn't responded to these accusations, might just be lurking since our focus is on Dragoon.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
January 07 2014 19:51 GMT
#671
Self-martyring is just a bad strategy in general because it puts the town in a real bad spot. It could just as easily be a desperation play from a mafia player trying to get out of a bind as it could be genuine frustration from a new player.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
January 07 2014 20:02 GMT
#673
It's a pretty simple policy question so I don't think it matter who answers it. I don't think Dragoon realizes why what he did was wrong so I figured I'd spell it out for him.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
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