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Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 11 2014 18:10 GMT
#1101
@TheChyz

Your top scumreads atm are ?????... you seemed to have also tunneled on Dnyarri and OWB yesterday. Towards the end of the day you seemed convinced by me that OWB was going to flip town... why?

Why was DW not a target for you on D2 at all? You seemingly went from super scummy n1 on him to NULL on day 2? What happened?
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 11 2014 18:14 GMT
#1102
On January 11 2014 07:06 TheChyz wrote:
Gotta go for a few hours, will be back afterwards. This vote kinda sucks but I think there is quite a wealth of information that can be garnered from it.


What info can be garnered from it? Want your analysis before night ends!
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 11 2014 18:22 GMT
#1103
On January 09 2014 22:21 sidesprang wrote:
K, thanks. Then we should be in a very good position imo.

I'm trying to read into Derrida's filter, and I think Day_Walker also comes out more town from it. I doubt a he would buddy up like he did in the first post if Day_Walker was scum. I think it would be more an attempt to pocket him than anything else.


@Sidesprang
How is this good logic for saying Day_walker comes out more town from it? It's terrible logic actually. You have no idea if he would buddy up like that or not. None whatsoever. I think it's VERY likely he buddied up to one of his teammates and started bussing the other (while not pushing too hard).

Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 11 2014 18:36 GMT
#1104
On January 11 2014 04:07 Day_Walker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2014 03:49 dnyarri wrote:
About his comment on death of JonnyLaw, BigDad said this:

<quote>
He facilitated discussion through his aggressive play. Day one for JonnyLaw was pretty full on, check it out. He went after TheChyz, theDragoon, BigDad, Asuna and OWB.
</quote>

I looked at JonnyLaw's filter and it's clear that JonnyLaw was actively going after BigDad too until theDragoon and later I got all the attention. Yet BigDad didn't mention that. Did he try to hide the fact that he was suspicious too? I would have expected "transparency" from BigDad since he was supposedly promoting it. JonnyLaw's death is easily explained if BigDad is scum.


BigDad did mention it?


Why is this your last post in the thread till lynch. There was a large amount of time till lynch time, we were actively having a conversation. We were curious about your real thoughts on BigDad since you semeed to have considered him as scum, wrote him off for some unknown reason to us. Proceeded to soft-defend him and then disappear.

For some reason you were wrestling with a dnyarri lynch versus BigDad/OWB and then as soon as you switch to OWB you disappear? That's weird. Very weird. It seemed like it was such a tough choice for you, why did you not follow up??
sidesprang
Profile Joined January 2009
Norway1033 Posts
January 11 2014 18:37 GMT
#1105
On January 12 2014 03:22 Balla24 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2014 22:21 sidesprang wrote:
K, thanks. Then we should be in a very good position imo.

I'm trying to read into Derrida's filter, and I think Day_Walker also comes out more town from it. I doubt a he would buddy up like he did in the first post if Day_Walker was scum. I think it would be more an attempt to pocket him than anything else.


@Sidesprang
How is this good logic for saying Day_walker comes out more town from it? It's terrible logic actually. You have no idea if he would buddy up like that or not. None whatsoever. I think it's VERY likely he buddied up to one of his teammates and started bussing the other (while not pushing too hard).



@Balla

And I do not think it's likely. And your logic about this point is very bad. Your point against me is that I have no idea if he would buddy up or not. But you know what you dont either. It's all speculation at this point anyhow, but I think it's less likely that he would do that to a scumbuddy than not. simple as that.
Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 11 2014 18:43 GMT
#1106
On January 12 2014 03:37 sidesprang wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2014 03:22 Balla24 wrote:
On January 09 2014 22:21 sidesprang wrote:
K, thanks. Then we should be in a very good position imo.

I'm trying to read into Derrida's filter, and I think Day_Walker also comes out more town from it. I doubt a he would buddy up like he did in the first post if Day_Walker was scum. I think it would be more an attempt to pocket him than anything else.


@Sidesprang
How is this good logic for saying Day_walker comes out more town from it? It's terrible logic actually. You have no idea if he would buddy up like that or not. None whatsoever. I think it's VERY likely he buddied up to one of his teammates and started bussing the other (while not pushing too hard).



@Balla

And I do not think it's likely. And your logic about this point is very bad. Your point against me is that I have no idea if he would buddy up or not. But you know what you dont either. It's all speculation at this point anyhow, but I think it's less likely that he would do that to a scumbuddy than not. simple as that.


My problem is that you seemingly used it to write Day_walker off. You posted this about Day_walker the night before

On January 08 2014 03:20 sidesprang wrote:


Day_Walker

When I read his filter I see a possibility for him being scum, however I think its way more likely for him to be scum if theDragoon is scum.

I feel he gave him a weak townread in the start with his list. And when BigDad says he find Day_Walker and theDragon both became overly defensive about it.

And also as chinstrap pointed out making a scumcase for the lurkers and a towncase for theDragoon, is something that very well can be done as scum regardless of theDragoon's allignment. And the more I think about it, I think it's more likely to be done if he is scum.

If he makes a case for theDragoon is town then if he flips town he gets cred. If he flips scum then he tried to save his buddy.

I do however feel this is very circumstantial and I would not feel comfortable lynching him, but this is what I read when I tried to view him as scum.



So for me, saying that Derrida marked him as town is the ONLY reasoning I see for you giving Day_walker a pass on day2. Is there more that you didn't post?
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 11 2014 18:48 GMT
#1107
For @Dnyarri:

Now that OWB has flipped town... I can assume that your targets are Day_Walker and BigDad.

- BigDad pushed for a Day_Walker lynch on D1. What do you make of this? Who is your backup scum pick for each team in the case that you think it makes them NOT a scumteam? IE, Day_walker + ___ and BigDad + _______

- Can you reiterate why Day_Walker was NOT a better lynch than OWB?
TheChyz
Profile Joined November 2013
Canada238 Posts
January 11 2014 18:52 GMT
#1108
I still think DW could be scum but after day 1 his posts seemed to feel more town for me and other people seemed like better scum possibilities.
I thought the reasoning behind OWB was given well enough. But anyways my thought process was that my vote on dnyarri was basically mostly lurking and saying unoriginal comments whereas owb was fairly quiet to what he sayed he would be this game and that the information that I garnered from him seemed more like he was trying to attack town and cover up for scum.
Anyways I still want to reread some peoples filters to make sure I didn't confuse things between people and I'll have my explanation before night ends, but can you post yours aswell Balla :
"Day 3 is going to be fun if what i'm thinking is happening. Will post about it later."
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 11 2014 18:56 GMT
#1109
That's not what I meant about OWB: I meant you seemed convinced by me that OWB was going to flip town. You were very antsy to find a different target. Why? What was it that made you not happy with the lynch PRE-FLIP.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 11 2014 18:57 GMT
#1110
Also: there's 3 hours left, if I were going to post it I would have plenty of time to post it. I lost faith in the theory anyways.
sidesprang
Profile Joined January 2009
Norway1033 Posts
January 11 2014 18:59 GMT
#1111
After reading that post did you expect me to go after Day_Walker?

D1 after doing some analysis -> I'm not comfortable lynching him.
D2 getting townread from flipped scum -> less inclined to lynch him.

Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 11 2014 19:00 GMT
#1112
On January 12 2014 03:59 sidesprang wrote:
After reading that post did you expect me to go after Day_Walker?

D1 after doing some analysis -> I'm not comfortable lynching him.
D2 getting townread from flipped scum -> less inclined to lynch him.



No but I didn't expect you to completely give him a free pass because it's definitely NOT enough to give him a free pass for it.
sidesprang
Profile Joined January 2009
Norway1033 Posts
January 11 2014 19:01 GMT
#1113
@Balla, its not unlikely for you to die, you should post your reads before you die. It should help more than it could hurt.
Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 11 2014 19:01 GMT
#1114
Note: "I'm not comfortable lynching him" does not mean "I don't feel scummy on him" you very clearly felt scummy on him D1.
TheChyz
Profile Joined November 2013
Canada238 Posts
January 11 2014 19:02 GMT
#1115
I wasn't antsy to find another target, I just didn't want to start tunnel visioning just in case owb wasn't town. People were mentioning big dad (which was in my list of people that I think should have been the nights lynch candidates) and I was asking if there was something that I may have missed. Nobody sayed anything that swayed me and I went with my biggest scum read at that time which was owb.
TheChyz
Profile Joined November 2013
Canada238 Posts
January 11 2014 19:03 GMT
#1116
And Balla, thats a bullshit reason not to make your post. You said "Day 3 is going to be fun if what i'm thinking is happening. Will post about it later" and since you keep pestering others to explain their thoughts, I expect you to do the same.
Deleted User 323385
Profile Joined December 2013
41 Posts
January 11 2014 19:06 GMT
#1117
@Balla

I'm having problem understanding your first questions last part:

Who is your backup scum pick for each team in the case that you think it makes them NOT a scumteam? IE, Day_walker + ___ and BigDad + _______


Could you clarify your question?
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 11 2014 19:06 GMT
#1118
On January 12 2014 04:03 TheChyz wrote:
And Balla, thats a bullshit reason not to make your post. You said "Day 3 is going to be fun if what i'm thinking is happening. Will post about it later" and since you keep pestering others to explain their thoughts, I expect you to do the same.


NO fuck that that's so scummy. It's pretty obvious what I had to say was due to night actions. You're pretty silly if you can't see that. So why would I post it 3 HOURS before the night is over and let mafia plan around that.

MOST IMPORTANTLY THOUGH: Why are you pushing me so hard for it? I'm clearly active. This is SO fricking scummy from you Chyz. Do you need it to make a decision on what to do with your scum buddy?

Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 11 2014 19:09 GMT
#1119
On January 12 2014 04:06 dnyarri wrote:
@Balla

I'm having problem understanding your first questions last part:

Show nested quote +
Who is your backup scum pick for each team in the case that you think it makes them NOT a scumteam? IE, Day_walker + ___ and BigDad + _______


Could you clarify your question?


Sure. I'm ASSUMING that your scum reads now that OWB has flipped are Day_walker and BigDad (correct me if I'm wrong) based on what you have said. The question revolves around the first sentence of that bullet-

"BigDad pushed for a Day_Walker lynch on D1...."

To me this indicates that Day_Walker is not scum with BigDad. I'm asking if you agree. If you DO agree, then who is your OTHER scum pick for each team consisting of your two scum reads?
sidesprang
Profile Joined January 2009
Norway1033 Posts
January 11 2014 19:09 GMT
#1120
On January 12 2014 04:01 Balla24 wrote:
Note: "I'm not comfortable lynching him" does not mean "I don't feel scummy on him" you very clearly felt scummy on him D1.


I feel you are really bad at reading my posts.

I state the reason for me doing that analysis is that he was one of the two possible lynch candidates at that time. And since I was going out and would not be there for the last hours I felt I should atleast look into them both.

I said it could be possible that he was scum, but mostly if theDragoon also was scum. But I also said I felt that theory was very circumstantial. So how you get that post to be "you very clearly felt scummy on him D1" I dont even know....
Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee.
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