TL Mafia LXIII: Time to Die

On November 09 2013 20:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Warning! This game will probably have drama based purely on last TL Mafia titled game.
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*should be added to the OP*

On November 12 2013 17:56 Mocsta wrote:

Chortle

On November 14 2013 00:21 Alakaslam wrote:

What button?

I ain't got no d6 and work finally slowed down and I discovered the world is not 1,000,000,000 jerks and thanks to Coagulation, and Resistance mafia, I realized you are right- I can actually make sense! :D

On November 14 2013 00:19 Alakaslam wrote:
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA I HAVE RETURNED


/IN

On November 15 2013 20:50 Oatsmaster wrote:

you couldve /outed.
I think rayn is pretty scummy but I wanna know what the people who played the last game with him think.

On November 15 2013 14:00 Alakaslam wrote:


K

I think I am like Coag this game

Go to 1:10 ok.

On November 15 2013 19:11 OOHCHILD wrote:
The question was What makes rayne scummy imo?

For me it's mostly it's that his tone fits with his scum meta. It's aggressive and mean.
His town play from what I've seen is also very characteristic and I'm not seeing it here.

Last game I played he was scum. He also did the very quick reads without reason thing he did this game "ve is town, oats is dumb"
Yea I'm on my phone and I can't quote.

He said he was ignoring risen. I don't see town rayne doing that. Town rayne is constantly struggling to figure out everyone's alignments.

On November 15 2013 23:12 LoneMeow wrote:


I'd like to hear if you think yamato outing me is alignment indicative or not.

Something about raynpelikoneet is bothering me, but I can't pin it down on any specific post. I didn't like how strongly he defended me, though.

I was really surprised to hear StorrZerg is not a new player, considering he's played in newbies recently. That makes me a bit confused about how to read him. As the StorrZerg I watched play in newbie game, I'd give him a null, but if he's supposed to be more experienced I'm not so sure if I should be instead leaning scum on him.

On November 15 2013 20:42 supersoft wrote:
pfff always the same with you guys... this is a game. Play your role. Play to win. This isn't a forum to friendly chat with each other. this is mafia, you want to create an uncomfortable situation for scum. Friendly chatting with each other is a situation which is optimal for scum.
Scum has to be afraid to post, because everything will be looked very closely.
If you think it's okay to post things that are completely against your wincondition, you're wrong here and you're playing bad.

On November 15 2013 12:05 Holyflare wrote:
fml I had to write this out twice because I had so many tabs open ~_~


@ rayn's post earlier: Here

You claim that my case was in fact bad but then you agree with everything that I had specifically laid out within it, what gives? Did you just not read it? Clearly there were no good reads at that present time and for a mayor to be established reads must be thrown around, which is exactly what I was saying. Your choice of mayor is based entirely off if you agree with their reads? Why?

You also debase the entirety of it because of the one line that said if "I failed to lynch my top scum readS". The plurality in reads assumes that one would live past day 1 and be able to use their double voting power as you cannot lynch multiple reads on day 1.


There is also:




You were scum partners with risen in heavyweight. You know he is crazy and will literally do anything or write anything to win. How can you be so quick to have a town read on him based off of a post? He has won world champs and also has the "best mafia play" award or whatever. To quite openly say you will not read him for the rest of day 1 is making me apprehensive to say the least.

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@rest of the town
Also some other things that struck me as odd;

Hopeless' start to the game:



I've played one game with this guy and in that game (he was town) at the very start he was trying to contribute to current conversations and get things talking. This games start has been very lackluster from him. After asking VE about his past mayor games VE responds that he has been mayor once and he died night 1.

By no means are they solid credentials in any terms. His contributions were just useless "won't vote for kush" posts. He then drops his mayor vote onto VE after hearing about his 1 game experience and leaves the thread.

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I'm actually leaning a bit more suspiciously towards rayn right now; however I thought it was interesting to see these 2 posts just as I refreshed.


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Obviously no associative tells between unflipped players yada yada but I find it "psychologically intriguing" when people bring up similarities like that. Obviously if you are scum, the posts that stick out to you the most are your scum partners and so you can subconsciously repeat them etc. However, this is a lackluster point to say the least just something I'd thought I'd note.

On November 15 2013 12:54 Holyflare wrote:


Hopeless. You played with him in hogwarts. What is your take on him this game?

On November 15 2013 14:13 Holyflare wrote:
Can someone give me their take on mattchew please? I'm having a hard time untangling his posts.

Like.... it's all crap, he even asked on who he should look into and didn't end up doing that but also posts something like:

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Mattchew, what is your take on hopeless and rayn? I know you've now played with both because of hogwarts so what is your view on them at this present time?

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For everyone else, much like grack, mattchew came out of the woodwork to post a point relating to mocsta/storr and apart from that has really added nothing. His other "content" is just calling people town etc. He makes the effort to "read" the filter of one player but has no evidence of that for any other player, despite many being mentioned in the game. Would you be comfortable lynching this way, because I would.

On November 15 2013 14:37 Holyflare wrote:



Your take on mattchew please? Also I want to hear more opinions on rayn, don't want to let him pass unchecked.

On November 15 2013 14:20 Holyflare wrote:
What does scum matt look like then?

On November 15 2013 15:00 Holyflare wrote:
Either way, he isn't here and I've linked all that needs to be linked. What do you think of rayn so far. I know you had some back and forths last game. Has your read on him improved because of hogwarts or not?

On November 16 2013 02:16 Grackaroni wrote:
Also I tried to be polite earlier but anybody treating Storrzerg as a veteran is a fool.

On November 16 2013 07:19 Risen wrote:


Huh?

On November 16 2013 09:56 austinmcc wrote:
Onegu
Let us play a game!

(1) rayn has made and super duper duper pushed a case and suspicion on HolyFlare. He has been pestered about it, and pestered others about it.

With regards to nothing but his bit on HolyFlare, how do you read rayn?

(2) Why do HolyFlare's posts on Mattchew bother you? You say he asks the thread for opinions without providing any of his own, and he's pulling Mattchew's name out of the blue. I ... disagree with a good bit of that statement, and I want to figure out where we diverge. Specifically, you 100% don't feel HF gave thoughts on Mattchew when asking about Mattchew? Also, if I read your post right, someone coming to thread and bringing up a specific person who is NOT a current topic of discussion is a scummy thing? Could you explain why this is so, or why it's sometimes so?

On November 15 2013 12:54 Holyflare wrote:


Hopeless. You played with him in hogwarts. What is your take on him this game?

On November 15 2013 14:13 Holyflare wrote:
Can someone give me their take on mattchew please? I'm having a hard time untangling his posts.

Like.... it's all crap, he even asked on who he should look into and didn't end up doing that but also posts something like:

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Mattchew, what is your take on hopeless and rayn? I know you've now played with both because of hogwarts so what is your view on them at this present time?

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For everyone else, much like grack, mattchew came out of the woodwork to post a point relating to mocsta/storr and apart from that has really added nothing. His other "content" is just calling people town etc. He makes the effort to "read" the filter of one player but has no evidence of that for any other player, despite many being mentioned in the game. Would you be comfortable lynching this way, because I would.

On November 15 2013 14:37 Holyflare wrote:



Your take on mattchew please? Also I want to hear more opinions on rayn, don't want to let him pass unchecked.

On November 15 2013 14:47 Holyflare wrote:



I disagree with you:

here is his filter for hogwarts: click me!

while yes, there are singular lines, there is also hefty content at parts just like the town games I linked, albeit this game is still early so it's justifiable for the near future, I want to hear more from him because right now I think it falls more in line with his scum game (even if it is old)


Either way he is not around to defend himself and so I'll move elsewhere for now.

On November 16 2013 10:29 austinmcc wrote:
VE, assorted Pandain thoughts.

He halfway buddies you pretty hard early on. Defends you as dodgy, calls you a sexy beast, etc. etc. I have not played a D1 with Pandain I don't think, but at least from Magical Cop Sandwich mafia, I do not remember him really buddying up to any townies in that manner as scum. He doesn't appear to actually be winning points with you, nobody has actually been appointed mayor, and while you were vocal and semi-leaderish at the start of the thread, I don't see much cause for him to put that buddying in thread if he's scum. It's too obvious for my tastes?

I think his mason claim is BS. Which is mildly mildly townie, as the real reason to fake claim would be to draw shots and be an asshat because you're going to screw up other mason claims and might encourage other masons to claim if they see Yamato's post and Pandain's post and think Pandain is srs. So apparently I find it mildly townie even though it doesn't actually help town at all and if Pandain wanted to draw shots he should be posting.

There's not a boatload else there. I don't really care that his posts are grack-focused, it would have been EASIER to focus a very vocal target today like rayn/holyflare, and would have been much townier to really nitpick at someone way out of the spotlight (mebbe). The grack focus does nothing for me either way.

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What led you to find Sharrant's post scummy? What do you get off the rest of Sharrant's posts?

On November 16 2013 21:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
My nickname is not Artanix[Xp]

On November 16 2013 21:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

It's Artanis the sexy handsome amazing good looking hero of towniness.
What do you make of BC?

On November 16 2013 10:31 austinmcc wrote:
Pretend you're not in this game. We just landed on the moon, and we're scooting about in our lunar rover. Also, it has racing stripes.

I turn to you and I ask, "Hey, remember that game called mafia? And remember how people trolled in it? Do you think trolling helped town win the game? Do you think trolls created a legible and easy-to-read thread?"

We're on the moon, not in this game. You gotta give me truthful Moon Answers.

On November 16 2013 10:35 Alakaslam wrote:
It's amazing how many pages two players duking it out creates.

PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF CAREERS LIMIT ATTACKS AND DEFENSES TO 3 POSTS OR SPOILER YOUR CONFRONTATIONS. THEY REALLY MEAN NOTHING UNTIL WE FEEL LIKE CHECKING IT OUT. FILTER FILTER FILTER! ENOUGH BS INTIMIDATING LAZY TOWN, THIS IS A BIG GAME DONT BE SELFISH SOB OR @SCUM, HAHA I TROLL U BACK STFU NOW

I do this because almost page 100 day one

Here is an example for all the hotheads, press quote and read to see the formatting:

On November 16 2013 11:13 austinmcc wrote:
Okay, that'll work. I asked some Qs to onegu but he hasn't come back, poke at him or remind me to poke at him about this stuff when he's on.

On November 16 2013 22:10 Spaghetticus wrote:
Oh and, while I'm busy consolidating evidence, if people are free, could you please look into VE with a critical eye? I've concluded I don't want him for mayor.

@all people running for mayor
I intend on tearing VE down. I don't want yamato mayor if he's going to kill BC. While the election may seem fairly one-sided, I want to mix it up. If I am successful, this will provide you with opportunity to re-enter the running. Think about getting your shit together.

On November 16 2013 23:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If Pandain does not mason me he is scum.

On November 16 2013 23:58 Koshi wrote:
I am pretty sure rayn is scum. Pretty pretty sure.

On November 16 2013 12:51 VayneAuthority wrote:


bringing ice to a snowball fight ends the game, it doesn't further it. Building a fort or developing a plan of attack might though

On November 16 2013 14:13 Holyflare wrote:



I honestly have no idea how this argument keeps getting used IN FAVOUR of LM. He's contributed jack shit, his only posts in the mason chat are asking what yamato thinks about rayn. This is 100% LM that I saw in hogwarts when he was scum. He comes into the QT, asks what he should do with his power and asks who he should focus on. His power got used on conveniently the most towny person at the start of the game without reading.... despite him knowing the playstyles of other people (both factions) whereas he only knows one playstyle of yamato's, his reason for doing it? He picked a random person on the player list.... His only participation in this thread is shock at storrzerg being new/not new. Congratulations, he's in the background again.

As far as this little gem that I've seen:



Risen, you quite clearly know that this wasn't the only post that BH did in WHC so why does it not phase you that his content thus far has been utterly appalling? BH in WHC was shaparoning, giving reads, solving things and eventually got us to lynch your scum partner. Does this really look like the same BH to you?

On November 15 2013 23:30 Sharrant wrote:


1) I thought it was a pretty good idea, I certainly hadn't thought of it. I disagree strongly with the Kush policy lynch, but I really liked the idea of killing the pardoner with the mayor. I got a town lean off of that post, but his followup saying that he wanted to do this as either alignment before the game started put it back to null.

2) I think if we can come to a consensus about who we want as mayor, we should put his lynch up to the second vote spot so we do eliminated the pardoner. If the race is too close, obviously that plan will not work though.

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@VE
I still want to know what you actually meant with your post on Hiro. If you answered it somewhere, I didn't see it (and I'd appreciate it if you could point it out), but you've referenced me several times and not clarified it. Getting annoying.

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If I were going to lynch someone right now, it would be Rayn. We had a big thing in the first day of whichever game we played together (Boardwalk maybe?) before we eventually settled on both of us being town. I'm surprised to see him jump on such a non-issue.

To clarify for you, Rayn. Of the people that had posted at that time, VE was by far the towniest, and the only townie looking player who I would consider for mayor. Supersoft and BC are both players that I would consider for mayor, but they had not posted, so they were null. But those 3 are the basics of who I would consider to elect mayor unless someone really puts forth something impressive.

Still surprised you said my post seemed "too serious" since you've played with me before.

Side note: I think you're way too confident in LoneMeow being town. I see his mason choice as pretty much entirely null at this point. This is suspicious to me.

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Since it was a bit of a conversation earlier, and I love talking about myself:

Saying I get mislynched every game is pretty accurate. Maybe I misread but it sounded like someone said I was lynched as scum in some game, I've never rolled scum.

On November 15 2013 23:37 Sharrant wrote:


Wonderful! Thank you for finding that for me.

Thank you for the clarification, VE, I had thought it was a joke post, but I wanted to be sure. :-)

VE, how do you feel about lynching Rayn?

On November 16 2013 22:46 Sharrant wrote:
Sorry, this is going to be slightly list-y but I need a good way to organize my thoughts.



Townies:

Me
VE
Rayn
Yamato
Alakaslam
Kush
(SS and BC, though with some hesitation)




Most likely mafia (least to most):
Hopeless1der: His posts about his activity read to me as very flat, and apathetic. I see "Oh, no. My internet is out. What ever shall I do? Woe is me. And now I am the busy. (Hahaha, sweet, I don't have to post)" rather than "Fuck! My internet got cut off for most of that time, and now I'm busy this weekend. This fucking sucks".

He's my weakest mafia read, but strong enough I'm comfortable with his lynch.

BlazingHand: Wants to random lynch Vayne (null), but his filter is made up of only three things: talking about random lynching, making small digs at other players, out of game talk. He has several posts but all he has said is "RNG Vayne, Risen Town". Would lynch in a heart beat because he seems to want to talk about anything but the game in progress.

(HolyFlare/LoneMeow): I've thought HolyFlare looked scummy for most of the game, but this post:



Reads as very townie to me. (I haven't checked if it's true yet, that's for later) but it makes me pretty confident in a LM lynch if it's true, or an HF lynch if it's not. (In the case that it's true AND LM flips town, I am left unsure of what I would think of HF, but probably still townie off of that post.)


@VE
Aside from the fact that you want to lynch me I'd be inclined to vote for you. So please ask me whatever you'd like so you can realize I'm town, and move on to lynching mafia.

Elsewise I'll have to go with someone I'm not as confident in.

On November 17 2013 03:08 Koshi wrote:
Onegu there are 23 hours between those 2 sharrant posts.

On November 17 2013 04:08 supersoft wrote:


Please stay active. I like your posts so far.

On November 17 2013 05:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Is there no people any more who can fucking think with their brain.

Onegu come tell people what my thought process was. You've done pretty good regarding it this game earlier.

On November 18 2013 02:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I can't have a scumread on you after the last game.
Well i can but as long as you are "helping me" i don't even care if you are scum.

On November 18 2013 03:00 Koshi wrote:
There is too much angry in you rayn, you havent done enough work to justify that anger. The anger is nothing new btw. Started quite early in your filter.
PS: Nobody knows why you think Holyflare is scum.

On November 18 2013 03:03 Holyflare wrote:


Did you read what I wrote to you earlier by the way?

On November 18 2013 03:08 Holyflare wrote:
huuuuuuh......? Onegu, let me just give you some food for thought re:rayn because your analysis of him isn't necessarily correct.

Here is his WHC mafia filter he's doing the exact same thing he did in that game. Tunneling onto me and not being entirely coherent on his cases. People didn't think they made sense, just like now. I was town, he was scum in that game.

What do you think now? I want to hear the reasons of your thinking rather than opinions.

On November 18 2013 03:09 Koshi wrote:

If rayn found scum, everybody knows why that person is scum. This game we dont know why Holyflare is scum in rayns mind even though rayn made posts about how his case is the best and how he doesnt have to repeat why Holyflare is scum.

On November 18 2013 03:49 Koshi wrote:

He called me town multiple times and makes big posts.

On November 18 2013 03:49 Koshi wrote:

He called me town multiple times and makes big posts.

On November 18 2013 05:09 StorrZerg wrote:
Mad Hatter

could die as well from this as well


i mean when does this become worth it to mafia?

to me it seems that if your mafia, and you make this call ss, you could possibly get BC (who may or may not have a role but is a strong player) Get 2 out of the other possible people who would come to bc that night. I honestly feel that it looks more like a 1 for 3 trade. Is BC life that worth? Or maybe this is a way to tie up docs on bc, allowing mafia to have free kp shots?


when i had left yesterday, i was leaning towards scum bc. I'll have to reread, but this whole speculation makes me feel very uncomfortable with you SS. I had read your filter ss, and was feeling pretty comfortable with you till this comment.

@SS why are you not more upset at VE for his lynch choice?

On November 18 2013 05:13 Onegu wrote:



MadHatter has claimed and said who he has bombed...

On November 18 2013 05:22 StorrZerg wrote:


still catching up obviously...

On November 18 2013 19:45 LoneMeow wrote:
BH seems like fine lunch right now.

##Vote: BlazingHand

On November 16 2013 14:13 Holyflare wrote:



I honestly have no idea how this argument keeps getting used IN FAVOUR of LM. He's contributed jack shit, his only posts in the mason chat are asking what yamato thinks about rayn. This is 100% LM that I saw in hogwarts when he was scum. He comes into the QT, asks what he should do with his power and asks who he should focus on. His power got used on conveniently the most towny person at the start of the game without reading.... despite him knowing the playstyles of other people (both factions) whereas he only knows one playstyle of yamato's, his reason for doing it? He picked a random person on the player list.... His only participation in this thread is shock at storrzerg being new/not new. Congratulations, he's in the background again.

As far as this little gem that I've seen:



Risen, you quite clearly know that this wasn't the only post that BH did in WHC so why does it not phase you that his content thus far has been utterly appalling? BH in WHC was shaparoning, giving reads, solving things and eventually got us to lynch your scum partner. Does this really look like the same BH to you?

On November 17 2013 06:53 Holyflare wrote:
@risen + Show Spoiler +

Well I read through the thread and then through your filter and didn't realise you posted this before BH remained useless. Even so, have your thoughts on him devoloped since then? What I said still applies, a useless BH will always remain a useless BH. I'm just waiting tentatively for him to be the next target and then claim a role that must make us "save" him just like hogwarts (he was scum).



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@Onegu + Show Spoiler +

I think you have misunderstood what I was saying with the entirety of my LM posts. I am not calling him scummy and I am not calling him town, he is a big fat null read. The sentiment on the thread, especially being repeated by yamato over and over again when people bring up LM's name was that he was town purely because of the way he had masoned. This was making me sick because that flat out rules out the alternative - the stuff that he did last game.

People may not have seen hogwarts and don't know what happened and thus blindly accepted what yamato says as logical and probably truthful when in actual fact what I said can also apply and thusly LM should not be a town read to ANYONE at all.

You have misconstrued and misread many of the things I have said all game, which I will be happy to detail my thought process on if you need me to. In regards to mattchew, I'm not sure you did read my filter properly. I was scouring through the game - rereading like I said - and his posts struck me as non-mattchewesque. So I dug a little deeper and made a case on him. As his database games are older ones I therefore asked if anyone knows how he plays scum, and questioned people that were present at the time of that post. I still think he is scummy disregarding any meta at all but he is also a lurker and therefore my attention to him became wasted and so I ended the discussion till he returned - which he actively did not.



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Sorry had this lying here for ages, I am caught up though and i'm comfortable with VE being mayor or maybe even pardoner for now. Even if his targets are all lurkers I feel he will be more useful later in the game too and deserves the vest. Yamato I am not so sure about as pardoner though, I'd be more comfortable with someone else there until I re-read over his posts. I got the feel he was too brash about some of his town reads.

On November 18 2013 21:26 LoneMeow wrote:
Onegu, can you give me your thoughts on raypelikoneet, Oatsmaster and Pandain? Just a couple of sentences on each is fine. In return, you can choose any 3 players for me to comment on.

On November 19 2013 00:27 Koshi wrote:
Hmm. Probably Golden Sun or Hogwarts not GoT :D

On November 19 2013 02:13 Koshi wrote:

:D See town rayn arrived. I can totally not be blamed for not noticing D1.

On November 19 2013 02:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You ahve been telling me to read Grackaroni. I am not going to read Grackaroni because it's a waste of time because all cases on him are shit connection cases based on that he accused Moscta of being scum (lol) and then Mocsta got mad at him (lol). Also if Blazinghand is scum which he is because he is one of these idiots making terribad cases on Grack and he scumslipped in thread, Grackaroni can't possibly be mafia. There is no fucking way mafia decided on N1 "let's all buss Grackaroni to the death".

If you believe that to be the case you are either scum or need to seriously reconsider how good you are at mafia.

On November 19 2013 02:29 Alakaslam wrote:

I did this and I don't even think Grack is scum anymore, I think YOU are because stubbornly pushing agenda!

On November 19 2013 04:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Artanis, could you read my case on HF and tell me what do you think about it. Like really read. Because all the people misread the risen-accusation on D1 and i kinda did not give a shit to explain it better.

On November 20 2013 22:04 LoneMeow wrote:


Why is Alakaslam town? He's done pretty much nothing after a reasonably coherent start and the latter part of his filter is largely just clutter.

On November 20 2013 22:18 OOHCHILD wrote:
same to you onegu

On November 21 2013 13:54 Risen wrote:
Gonna go get laid, fellow nerds. Try to learn how to play the game while I'm out. If you don't I won't be bothered/surprised. I'm town this game so... yeah. PEACE

Also, I think I might be the only VT in this game with all the power flying around me.

On November 22 2013 23:14 Koshi wrote:

I have played 9 games with rayn. 9 times I was correct.

In this game I am confident to say that he is scum.

Again. Catching rayn is not easy and for some reason you people are horrible at it.

Noir -> Nobody on rayn except me.
Witchcraft 2 -> Nobody on rayn except me when I replaced.

GoT -> Nobody on rayn (I was in his scumteam back then)

rayn got catched in ## mafia. (marv was suspicious D1 but we only lynched on D3)
rayn got catched in WorldCup mafia (BH got him D1)

Most of the time if you don't catch rayn D1 he trashes over town. I think ## mafia lynching rayn on D3 was an unicum.


I will not change my view on rayn this game anymore.

On November 23 2013 00:26 Koshi wrote:

Are you convinceable rayn is scum?

On November 23 2013 02:44 Koshi wrote:

This will also be for endgame. It will be fun.

On November 23 2013 02:52 Koshi wrote:

No I am not. I said I would policy lynch you on the fact that you posted 4 times in what was it, 80 hours? And read those 4 posts.

And now it is probably 90 hours since you posted anything decent because the last couple hours you have been catching up.

How do you have the balls to pick a fight with me here?

Also this:

Is an insane pile of garbage. You cant shut up about Holyflare. You fucking entire filter is
Holyflare
Holyflare
Holyflare
Holyflare
Holyflare
Holyflare

And now suddenly austin is your top scumread? And I will get a vote?????

Seriously Onegu?

On November 23 2013 03:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:

No, Koshi is town. He's just being dumb and tunneled.

On November 23 2013 03:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And i got to say Koshi is town with it. <3
9k i talked about fakeclaim. :p

On November 23 2013 03:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:

So you agree with me Koshi is town and just tunneled but you want to lynch him?

On November 22 2013 05:32 Koshi wrote:

Fact check:
You are a dumbass.

On November 23 2013 04:25 Koshi wrote:

It is simply a difference in opinion probably. Like we don't have to fight about it now.
I find it bad sportmanship that you join 2 games and can't keep up with both. Just like thrawn btw.

On November 23 2013 04:35 Koshi wrote:

Look, you made between + Show Spoiler +
these 2 post 4 other post. That means over 96 hours you made 4 posts. That's not enough for somebody who ran for Mayor. I said I wanted to policy lynch you just for that. Isn't that unreasonable.

On November 23 2013 06:15 Koshi wrote:

Is this true?

On November 23 2013 10:07 VayneAuthority wrote:
lynch koshi tomorrow as rayn's dying request, least we can do for him. koshi is better then that

On November 23 2013 15:24 thrawn2112 wrote:
Onegu is scum!



Look at his reads list... he has the two lynch candidates as town... but how much effort does he put into trying to save them? Close to none with rayn (who only got lynched because of BC but he was still a person people wanted to kill) and absolutely none with BC. After not trying to save his town reads... he completely throws away his votes.

On November 23 2013 20:06 thrawn2112 wrote:


I can understand this ^^^

BC because of basicly my gut.

Koshi because his case on rayn was bad and useing reasons he himself has done, and then him calling me out for bs reasons on more than one occasion.

On November 24 2013 00:30 Holyflare wrote:


I think you're confusing bussing with calling out an afk team mate. You honestly believe I was pushing BC all throughout day 2 just to lynch a mafia doctor over an easy BH assassin lynch? Onegu your reads seriously need updating because the only thing you have called me up on is the LM thing on day 1 and you even give reasoning for why he SHOULDN'T be town??? We NEEDED to bus on hogwarts because we were losing so badly and every day our kp got blocked. This game is going way too favourably for scum for someone to do that, I agree light bussing maybe in order, which is why thrawn is scummy as all shit for his vote on BC whilst seemingly defending him the entire time but for your only reads to be austin (who has appeared to be very towny the past day and me (who did a lot to get BC shot/lynched)) you must be kidding right?





This is exactly what I said about LM and exactly what Onegu is calling me scummy for. LM would come back and ask for the towniest person to mason with = yamato. I can't honestly believe this guy has lived so long.



@Everyone else, I want to point you in the direction of Onegu.

Not only has he returned to the thread with no real reads whatsoever he has been absent from pretty much every conversation we've had in order to solve this game EVERY day. Where have you seen his input that has made you think "hmm, maybe he's right lets do that", the answer is never and then he returns with a town read on BC, ignoring any facts that occured through the vig shot scenario or his posts on d2.

Then I direct you to this post:





This struck me as interesting because I don't think anyone would intentionally say they are playing to their own town meta. Then I remembered that Onegu has said this before here:

(This is from Hogwarts Scum QT)



He is confident that he knows his town meta and can play to it. So why would he say that here if he wasn't trying to intentionally play to it too?

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There are a lot of specifics on Onegu's filter that I can get into and make a case on but for now I think Onegu is actually scum. His votes were on his scum reads austin and me which had nobody else on them but he didn't vote on his null reads to save his town read? Really? That doesn't compute. Of course scum can pull shenanigans at the last minute, that is what they are known for, he knows this too but still doesn't register it.

On November 16 2013 14:13 Holyflare wrote:



I honestly have no idea how this argument keeps getting used IN FAVOUR of LM. He's contributed jack shit, his only posts in the mason chat are asking what yamato thinks about rayn. This is 100% LM that I saw in hogwarts when he was scum. He comes into the QT, asks what he should do with his power and asks who he should focus on. His power got used on conveniently the most towny person at the start of the game without reading.... despite him knowing the playstyles of other people (both factions) whereas he only knows one playstyle of yamato's, his reason for doing it? He picked a random person on the player list.... His only participation in this thread is shock at storrzerg being new/not new. Congratulations, he's in the background again.

As far as this little gem that I've seen:



Risen, you quite clearly know that this wasn't the only post that BH did in WHC so why does it not phase you that his content thus far has been utterly appalling? BH in WHC was shaparoning, giving reads, solving things and eventually got us to lynch your scum partner. Does this really look like the same BH to you?

On November 24 2013 01:47 Holyflare wrote:
I think scum can mason whoever the hell they want to be truthful. When exactly did he mason you? Was it the start of the day? Or did he wait to see what was going on before he did it and make an educated attempt at finding out your alignment?


Also in regards to Onegu, he says I'm scum for calling saying LM's mason day 1 could be scum LM and then posts this:



and calls him town for it.... LOL.. I don't even know what to think of it at all because it actually looks like a joke

 I still cant believe a scum LM would mason a town yamato. He would ask his scum qt what he should do and they wouldnt let him do that, and yes he would ask, I have been on the same scum team with him twice and he always asks.

This is exactly what I said about LM and exactly what Onegu is calling me scummy for. LM would come back and ask for the towniest person to mason with = yamato

 His power got used on conveniently the most towny person at the start of the game without reading.... despite him knowing the playstyles of other people (both factions) whereas he only knows one playstyle of yamato's, his reason for doing it? He picked a random person on the player list....

I think you have misunderstood what I was saying with the entirety of my LM posts. I am not calling him scummy and I am not calling him town, he is a big fat null read.

On November 15 2013 22:46 LoneMeow wrote:
Just to clear up why I masoned before posting:

I read my role and it said to send the PM "at the beginning of cycle". It already being quite a few hours since the cycle started when I woke up, I just looked at the player list and picked someone before reading the thread.

On November 15 2013 23:15 LoneMeow wrote:


Because I got the impression that he's pretty solid player when he's town from LXII, so I want to know if he's town in this one, and I think I stand a better chance outside the thread.

On November 24 2013 02:46 austinmcc wrote:
Onegu. Please read vayne. Please give thoughts.

HF. What's rayn's most convincing read from yesterday? Least convincing?

On November 26 2013 01:52 austinmcc wrote:
Onegu, I read your stuff, but, do you think that HF should be a lynch option today, or just that he is mafia and we gots ta watch him?

Also, HF, can you post the log between you and artanis, or...at the very least, relevant sections of the log where you discuss Artanis's target for the night?

On November 26 2013 01:48 Koshi wrote:
You are wrong. Koshi is town. The reason is in the pudding.

On November 26 2013 02:33 Risen wrote:
I'm just still shocked rayn was lynched tbh. Just woke up, was exhausted last night. I lynched rayn b/c I'm conf to myself and pandain/rayn are not. Catching up Oats looks bad as does Onegu (his justification post is very similar to the reasoning I used yesterday but has now been pointed out as flawed so is Onegu not reading the thread? Why am I greater than 70% chance to flip scum? You don't really say anywhere in your filter I don't think)

Someone asked earlier I think, but yes I'm just VT. No fakeclaim shenans coming from here.

On November 28 2013 10:25 Mig wrote:
lol onegu comes back 20 min after the deadline, what a coincidence

On November 28 2013 11:13 Holyflare wrote:


These 27 pages were all based on 12 players in 2-3 days by the way, where is that effort here to solve the game? Non-existant.

On November 28 2013 11:18 Holyflare wrote:


So will you be voting coag the day after?

On November 28 2013 11:27 austinmcc wrote:
I would ask before posting any kind of notes.

Comparing activity in A vs B seemed more or less okay, but hunting scum via quality/quantity of notes in two ongoing games of unknown alignments feels like it crosses a line into discussing/messing with ongoing games.

On November 26 2013 14:16 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:

Mr. Cheesecake's Big List of What The Fuck to Do

1) Risen needs to be lynched tomorrow, cut and dry. If you are advocating against lynching Risen, you are not being pro-town. There is indisputable evidence that Risen is probably mafia. In the event he flips town, the game is all but won due to the information we possess via votecounts and flipped scum associations.

A) Evidence - Not a single mention of Risen in Mocsta's filter. Albeit short, he never mentions Risen throughout the cycle in which he lived. Thrawn did not want to lynch Risen, nor did BC. This is obvious by the votecounts on Day 3, in which both mafia voted for Pandain rather than Risen. Thrawn blatantly says that he doesn't want to lynch Risen during Day 3.

B) Evidence - Risen martyr's like a fool. I saw little attempt to direct town in the right direction if he had died. He Promises to make cases before the deadline! Look!

+ Show Spoiler +
On November 25 2013 08:27 Risen wrote:
1) at the end of the day I will post actual cases on my top reads. Doing so sooner means you guys might move off of me.

2) the question you need to ask yourself mig, since you seem to have a hard time with this, is does town risen have that big an ego? The answer is yes. That's what scum risen would say, too, though. I thought people last game were wrong saying risen only gets away with this kind of thing because he's so bad but now I think they're right lol. I thought I did a really good job establishing myself as town the first couple days. Clearly, I did not.


Risen is not caring about the town, and doesn't make good on his promises. Did you see any giant Risen case? He was about to die, very close. No cases. He was going to die silently.

C) Evidence - Risen just isn't playing very pro-town in general. I can't exactly say much to this point, but it's true. What evidence is there that Risen is town? I can't find much in this regard. Lynch.

2) In the event Risen flips Town. Follow this List. I believe it to be correct.


Mig ---> Claims 2-shot vigi, seems legit. Very plausible town.
Coagulation ---> Voted Thrawn, if scum would have killed town Risen.
Hopeless1der ---> Both BC and Mocsta were scummy on him. Voted Thrawn.
Grackaroni ---> All 3 scum have pushed him super hard. Could be universal bussing, but likely town. Voted Thrawn.
austinmcc ---> began Thrawn wagon of justice, leading lynch onto scum away from town.
Mr. Cheesecake---> I'm town bitches.
Holyflare ---> Voted Thrawn. Seemed townie to me early on.
LoneMeow ---> Mason. 3 mafia masons? Voted Thrawn last hour when could have killed Risen ez.
Alakaslam ---> Voted Thrawn. Called mafia by Thrawn I think. Least townie of town.
Onegu ---> Voted Risen, ??? What has he done this game I don't remember.
Koshi ---> Led lynch onto Town Rayn, leading away from Town Risen, no big deal. Didn't vote thrawn.
Oatsmaster ---> Scummy in his own right. Declined to vote, not modkilled.
Pandain --> Towniest of the reds. Both scum voted him end of D3. Bus tactics? didn't kill thrawn. was he the vet claim?
VayneAuthority ---> Claims mad hatter, but no proofs of explody bombs. Didnt vote thrawn, but didnt vote Risen either.

3) In the event Risen flips Mafia. Only two mafia left!

We gain a ton of information about the Day 4 and Day 3 lynches. Look at who were voting BC/Thrawn/Risen. Who was NOT voting these people and shying away from them. I think Koshi really fits the bill here, pulling the Risen lynch onto Rayn.

For Day 4, mafia were probably bussing Risen because he was the unanimous lynch. Switching onto Thrawn last minute is a good way to gain towncred by swing voting a mafia (See: Nomination, I lead a lynch on scum away from scum VE, gain all the towncred, lose game cus can't kill people at night). In this case, the associations and voting patterns get a bit harder to decipher, as both candidates were mafia. I'd be looking at people who either didn't care about the lynch target, or were trying to actively call Risen town by virtue of Thrawn being mafia. This lynch gains scum Risen towncred and the ones who lynched Risen towncred. It's hazy, but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

Scum has 1 KP. With daybreak, assuming 1 town dies, game will be at 3 v 11 (14 players left). Assuming Risen flips town + 1 more death, 3 v 9. Mislynch again. 3 v 7. mislynch AGAIN 3 v 5 lylo. This means that IF Risen flips town, we still have two lynches with ALL THAT INFORMATION. Still, a VERY good position for town! If he flips scum, we have more mislynches allotted, but with less direction. Can probably close out the game by being active, and when the first scum of the last two flips.

Game's in the bag, folks. If anyone can dispute this strategy, do so now. Lynch Risen, win game.

On November 30 2013 08:26 Holyflare wrote:



This guy, really? He's telling me to look closer at a guy I already made an in depth case on?? Not only that but he calls me a scum read and has pushed my lynch all game but is trying to show to me that a guy is town. This attitude does not make sense from any town player.

He doesn't read at all and is incredibly inconsistent. Posts a case and then disappears every time, no discussion with people really ever.

On November 24 2013 13:53 Hopeless1der wrote:
i trust you the most right now since you appear to give a shit about continuing to play the game, so for that your read of LM as town gets sheeped by me. However, LM has done next to nothing this game so its only because I don't have a better reason than "lurking" to call him scum that I choose to ignore him. The game is over 300 pages, and he still has 3. One hundredth of the thread is LoneMeow. Thats fucked. If it was LYLO, he'd be under consideration but for now, forget about him.

Coag is as about as useless as LM, but with double the filter.

I agree that thrawn looks scummy based on the past couple pages. More suiciding onto Grack makes no sense though, so I'm hesitant. I'd be willing to lynch thrawn today, at least over Risen (but not over Pandain).

On December 01 2013 03:48 Holyflare wrote:


I think you're very wrong and I'll show you why later.

On December 02 2013 01:03 LoneMeow wrote:


What were the reasons you were going to vote Mr. CC for?

If Oats flips red, who's next on your "to lynch" list and why?

On December 04 2013 08:37 Grackaroni wrote:
Onegu can you walk me through your thought process of wanting to lynch Risen after the BC/Rayne flip. You liked his responses at the deadline and then just sheeped Supersoft the next day. Was the vote purely for the flip information?

On November 30 2013 14:35 Onegu wrote:



Your case is based on BC connections, which dont matter much as scum can give whatever reads they want to who ever they want. Coag thinking BC is town, I did also (I am town)

Then because coag didnt mention things like risen, yeah he was talking about doing a vote switch onto risen be cause risen was close to rayn in votes, not because he has a scum read on him.

Amd on the thrwan thing look at the ammount of time in between posts, he can change his reads when over 24 hours had passed and austin came out with his thrawn case.

On December 04 2013 11:51 Grackaroni wrote:
I want to lynch Onegu. He hasn't pushed any scum all game long. Town on Mocsta for having a clear process. Town on BC for good posts. Pushed Risen over Thrawn Day 3.


His reads on HF never changes. HF has a 24 page filter and he calls him scum all game long because he made a kind of strange post about Lonemeow. There is nothing in HF's filter that ever makes him reconsider his read or motivates him to write new points, yet he is so convinced that HF is scum that he is basing scum reads on other people off of HF being scum.

His read on Koshi is also very scummy


This reasoning is basically just omgus. Would Koshi really be more likely to complain about Onegu's inactivity as scum than as town?




I don't get a good feeling from the way that Onegu speaks with Rayn. He was buddying Rayn really hard. He gave Rayn a super strong town read all game and had mainly focused so far on just throwing in a bit of support to Rayn's case on HF. I think he is trying to manipulate Rayn into tunneling Koshi here.



In the end Onegu backs out from posting his read on Koshi. It was clear that going after Koshi would have been a very unpopular push. It's unlikely that he really changed his mind at all from rereading Koshi's filter because as soon as Rayn dies he starts up with the exact same push on Koshi once again. He also has no qualms voting people by himself because he switches off Risen later in the day to Austin and he was the sole Austin voter.

As soon as Rayn flips he goes right back to calling Koshi scum once again. The only thing that has changed since his reread is that people are annoyed that Koshi lynched town Rayn.



He still is never able to write out a comprehensive case for Koshi being scum after all that time.

More importantly, I have absolutely no idea what is going on with Onegu's thought process for Risen being scum.

Onegu likes Risen's posts near the deadline and chooses to unvote.



The next day Onegu sheeps SS on Risen.

The best reasoning given for Risen being scum was his meta. He can be useful as town and did nothing. He had an attitude of not giving a shit all game long and then when he got on the chopping block he became super invested. (doesn't really line up). SS added in some connections with BC.

However, when Onegu wanted to convince Rayn that Mocsta's filter didn't prevent me from being scum he said that connections weren't important.


Onegu has claimed that he does not let connections make much of an influence in his reads and he thought that Risen made good posts near the deadline so he really had absolutely zero valid reasoning for Risen being scum.
Let's lynch Scum
##Vote: Onegu