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On November 20 2013 09:07 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 09:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So i have now been waiting for your scumreads for five days austin.
Youstill seem to be having none. I hope you get lynched next. I don't care how long you wait for anything from me  One day, we will play a nice happy game.
So you wrote all of that up just to come to the same conclusion that almost everyone in the thread has? (lynch BH). I am going to wait for your other seperate posts on BC etc before I come to an actual conclusion on what you've done with your answers. You said in mason chat that you HAD to be a lot more aggressive today? Is that going to start?
Mig and Kush points are pretty useful at least.
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I meant in general of course  Seeing as your point against BH was his illogical grack attack, I presume this will be similar for BC?
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Care to post that filter so we can see it then?
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filter = mason chat, post = paste
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It's a bitch to do, I suggest you paste it all into word and delete timestamps 1 by 1.. :'(
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Meh doesn't make a difference now I guess, cya BH, useless as always!
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he is the hatter, he must be! crumb confirmed
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On November 20 2013 10:10 Risen wrote:
Meh, you're all horrible. I'm not surprised by this. My one night post: lynch Pandain, Holy, Austin, Rayn in that order.
Wise words of insight. Total confirmation of your alignment, thank you.....
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BC/Pandain/mattchew train tomorrow, choo choo!
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Also austin why has your stance on mocsta suddenly changed in favour of lynching bc when in the mason chat you couldn't get a scum read on him???
+ Show Spoiler +Austinmcc: There's nothing in his filter really for me. I think he misrepresented some stuff from storrzerg early on, but not in a way that screams scum. I agree with artanis that some of his poking has looked a bit opportunistic, but when I read mocsta's filter, I'm not really sold at him being scummy.
The only scum game I remember of mocsta's was one of his newbies and I was coaching town. He was relatively adept at....trying to do a thing, trying to post a certain way in order to get to x or y later down the road. I don't know if that's a constant theme of his games, but it made me think that he plays a scumgame aimed at setting up lynches/thoughts/pitting people against each other, and I don't get much of that from his play this game.
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On November 20 2013 10:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Holyflare copy/paste your masonlogs with whoever you masoned on D2.
I will at end of the day, it reveals some information I want private.
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Then we will never know who they are.
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I think it might be SS. That denouncement of wanting to be mayor in favour of SS makes it look that way.
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hey
hey rayn
they totally fell for it though right?
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On November 20 2013 11:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 11:22 VayneAuthority wrote:
we can already see from mocsta that scum did try to get mayor. If anything it is pretty obvious SS is town at this point or they woulda used their votes to get him into office easily Yeah but they DID get him into the office.
Then that makes grack really bad because he secure the SS pardoner didn't he at the last second?
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On November 20 2013 11:26 VayneAuthority wrote:
I'm suggesting that you are letting supersoft as a poster affect you instead of actually looking at the game as a whole
he only mentioned mocsta last second on an on the cuff remark, who is to say if he became mayor that somebody couldn't have "changed his mind"?
it is wifom at best and shouldn't really matter either way
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@thrawn + Show Spoiler +On November 20 2013 11:27 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 10:37 austinmcc wrote:
Oh hi rayn/thrawn log.
Thrawn, can you...can you explain to me a couple things? (1) How the me/pandain not giving reads thing worked for you, just...stream of consciousness throughout game? (2) Do you remember Mocsta in Newbie 37? (3) If so, Y U NO SAY SOMETHING? (4) If you read Newbie 37 filter, do you still agree 100% with BC's analysis of grack/mocsta? (5) If yes/no, why? And what does it say about BC to you? (1) I don't know what you mean here. I did make that joke about pandain being honest but it wasn't really anything more than that, a joke. If you look at the rest of my posts and my D2 vote I definitely didn't let him off the hook like you're suggesting (2) lol no (3) null (4/5) i'm way too lazy to read that game and besides that I don't see what scum newbie mocsta has to do with this game's mocsta. and can you or somebody else explain what's so bad about BC's analysis? this is what seems to be the core of it: "I say this not because of how strongly my gut screams hes red, but purely on how the interactions between mocsta and him were. Mocsta appeared to be extremely angry/cross/annoyed/etc... almost exclusively with grack which is completely different from how he interacted with basically everyone in this game and everyone in personality." 1 mocsta is scum... his flip confirms this 2 grack is scum... he is unflipped but I hope to finally get people to reevaluate him now that we can talk about non-bh stuff 3 if # 2 is correct then it would make PERFECT sense that mocsta decided to buss grack go read grack's filter up to the end of N1. pretend that grack is scum and pretend that you're scum mocsta. does BC's stuff make sense now? speaking of reading grack's filter, can everyone go read grack's filter? people said they would do that if BH doesn't flip scum and I don't see that happening
THIS is why:+ Show Spoiler +BloodyC0bblerThis particular individual falls under the same category as oats, just in a more articulate way. He tries to act like he is "participating" but quite frankly, avoids any and all speculating or hunting. That is until there is "content": + Show Spoiler +On November 16 2013 01:39 BloodyC0bbler wrote:now that theres some content to the game lets get this shit on the go. GrackeroniThis guy is clearly red. Nothing he has done in the span of the game so far is in anyway shape or form actions of town. One of his opening posts is this Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 08:18 Grackaroni wrote:
There is only one party and that party is Kush. Come and recognize it's master.
##Vote: Kushm4sta
All who oppose him shall be branded an enemy of the state. Kush is one of the single most disruptive players I have ever played with. He trolls and is generally unhelpful and annoying. Anyone advocating a waste of skin player to be elected is not doing it for any purposes other than his own sadistic pleasure and general fuck you stance to everyone hes playing with. No town should be doing this period. After that post he follows it up with retarded back and forth comments with pandain calling the two of them mafia (himself and pandain). He then calls out someone for calling them mafia and says he should have kush kill them. Nothing really important and all trolling. All incredibly annoying. He then proceedes to say that he will only tell us if he finds mafia, and will 100% accept whatever decision pandain says unless he otherwise says. Hes not being helpful hes directly passing off all responsibility of his "reads" to another player. Town has no bloody reason to do this. He ignores all reads for ages accept for storr in which he tries to elegantly duck out from at first then all in defends the guy on terrrrible reasons. RNG is never good, Storr isn't a newb. He then continues to troll and spout useless "non alignment indicative" drival which is imo a huge tell about him. He has been incredibly active compared to most players and said exactly nothing of substantial quality nor is he even attempting to do so or promising to do so. He has shown that he doesn't fucking care about town and thus should be removed by fire. Lets move on to the next one shall we Storrzerg The guy has pulled out RNG as a reason to lynch people and has continuously in most of his posts pulled the newb card. I know for a fact he played with me years ago and may be rusty but is in no shape or form new. I also know he plays mafia elsewhere. The fact he pulls a card he should be fully aware at least some of us know is a lie raises insane red flags for me. Anyone who actively lies about something to manipulate an election to his own advantage cannot be town. I have strong inclinations against Risen, and Rayn, but I want to see more. VE, Oats, and SS are all town currently in my books and anyone harassing them for anything other than their aggression needs their head examined. Yamato get off my dick. If you thought I was mafia you should know damn well to hold onto your train of thought until more time has passed and I've posted more to validate your opinion. By posting shit on how I haven't committed to anything by the 7 hour mark you look like a retard. The sheer data available to formulate decent reads of any shape usually doesn't exist by that time. There were so so many things going on in the game. There was me and rayn, there was mocsta making a case (where was that mentioned??) he came under a lot of flak, a lot of people gave reads on it and questioned him but still... no mention of that either. The only thing that does get mentioned is .... grack and storrzerg??? Some of the 2 most non-descript people within the game. Grack, yes, had been trolling but had also been coming under a lot of flak. He was the perfect person to lay scum reads on without making him come under threat because the case was quite frankly shit. Grack has been trolling? What's new? He is always carefree and trollish and while BC does not like trolls or whatever he states, this is so out of the blue and unreasonable that it just left me going "Huh??". This was when my interest was truly piqued in regards to BC. While he is defending his read of grack he tries to point out a game where "town grack" was located (hogwarts), to artanis: However, he quite conveniently linked from page 3. Why is this? It is quite clearly a misrepresentation of Grack intentionally placed to make him look bad. The game started on page 1 for grack and he was trolly and posting fluff from then to page 3. It is only on that page that things start to change, much like this game. This is but an instance of BC misconstruing points to work in his favour. On November 16 2013 07:13 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 06:54 VayneAuthority wrote:
bl00oooo0oddyc00o0o0bler could you clarify why you chose grackaroni specifically to call out for trolling hes clearly active while posting near no content while "appearing" to weigh in on things. I noticed he was doing it, watched, have seen 0 improvement and thus why I opted for him. hes given material to hang him with. As I've shown you in the oats case, this is the same deal for him, yet there is no mention of oats whatsoever despite his appearences in the start of the game? Why not? It's because grack is the lynch bait. This is where things get super crazy clairvoyant: + Show Spoiler +On November 18 2013 13:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Looking over how Mocsta plays mafia in personality 2 has led me to a bit of insight into his current game. Given that it is one game that I have looked at as its one of the
A) large games
B) full of big names
I think its the best pool to work with.
Mocsta's doesn't like starting confrontation with his own teammates. In fact he doesn't really like causing a ton of confrontation period. He carefully and calmly writes his posts. In Personality he opted to tunnel corazon until he died. This game he was tunneling Storr and grack. Aside from that he likes to drop reads without giving any solid background information for. He likes to buddy up to strong vet players and avoid sticking his neck out whatsoever. He makes basic comments on situations but only enough to appear active / fan the flames. To be quite honest his play in personality 2 and here is borderline identical. This only changes near the end of the game when mafia was basically the only ones left with a small pool of townies.
Given that I would say virtually every name he mentioned is likely town given his history of actively ignoring his team in thread. As such I would tentatively list the group I mentioned before as all likely town. The only odd exception to this although very slight would be grack. I say this not because of how strongly my gut screams hes red, but purely on how the interactions between mocsta and him were. Mocsta appeared to be extremely angry/cross/annoyed/etc... almost exclusively with grack which is completely different from how he interacted with basically everyone in this game and everyone in personality.
There is no way a towny mentality is to read up on mocsta's meta to see how he plays with fellow scum to then determine he doesn't bus them to then determine that everyone he was arguing with is town APART FROM GRACK. I know people in this thread have argued with BC about this but arguing with the person that does it is not productive because they will say anything to make themselves seem right. It's just flat out not a logical step in reasoning. This is the biggest ???? of the post. Mocsta was definitely definitely arguing with artanis(? not checked if it was him, it was definitely someone), in fact artanis was the first person that stuck in my mind for arguing with mocsta, not grack. So why was his first reaction to base mocsta's aggression as a scum/scum confrontation when mocsta's meta says otherwise??? It's because he is still on top of making grack look bad in any way shape or form. On November 19 2013 01:16 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2013 01:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 19 2013 01:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On November 19 2013 00:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What was an indirect lie? Yamato had me as a town read, not want to kill me. He stopped wanting to off me what? halfway mark of day 1. Thats an indirect lie as you cherry picked his words to find something he did actually say, but he had also changed his opinion and stated that in game. Also as a note, you may not have liked my conclusions but go look at his filter from personality 2. He interacts with austin twice day 1 then ignores his team almost fully until town has been so fucked up the asshole he has to talk to his team. You don't like my conclusions is fine, but from a meta stand point it makes perfect sense. Don't like why I think grack could still be scum? Read how mocsta was crafting his messages in personality. Everything was careful and had no real emotion behind it. He looks genuinely pissed at grack on their back and forths. He didnt react that way with anyone else except grack. Why? You may not like my conclusion but the reasoning behind it is fairly sound. Yeah i agree he did not want you dead at the end of N1. You were one of the people he had accused. That's not a strong point anyways, and i didn't mean it like that. Can you explain the "Mocsta's scum-meta suggests he does not interact with his scumbuddies, therefore all these people here are town with no other explanation" and right after "but Grackaroni is scum because Moscta talked about him"? Also can you comment on my analyses on why i think Grackaroni is town and tell me why would Mocsta bus him because what you and BH are suggesting is absurd as hell. Tell me why would Mocsta leave no room other than to bus his teammate on D2 over ~10 other options that definitely do not make him look any worse? His meta shows he distances himself and almost exclusively talks with town. He tunnels a townie he views as bad (storr). He then does everything else he did this game which is try and not be on radars. I am saying grack is different because of HOW he talked to him. Read personality 2, read this games filter. His interactions with grack are completely different than any other he had. He seems in this game to have a genuine reaction of anger/annoyance/whatever to grack. The guy carefully writes posts. Why would his interactions with 1 player be completely different from everything else his meta suggests? I would say cause he was legit pissed at grack for tunneling the shit out of him. I am reading it off of one specific reaction. Could I be wrong? Yes. However Grack has done basically nothing this game to make me doubt that read of the situation. If mocsta was as pissed as I think he was it would make perfect sense to still dive on grack. I still just don't comprehend a towny mindset. Mocsta is scum, somebody tunnels him. Mocsta feels pressured and argues with the person so vehemently that BC thinks grack is therefore scum? Why is the alternative (that grack was correct in finding scum, albeit, tunneled and that annoyed mocsta because he wouldn't drop it) not the first assumption that was stated? He seems too confident in this. Like I said, NOT a town mindset.
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On November 20 2013 11:29 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 11:03 Mig wrote:
Grack can you explain how you know Oats is town?
Oats you want to lynch HF/hopeless tomorrow? What do you think about BC?
Does anyone know who masond VE? I have a hard time believing town has 5+ masons and mafia none.
Oats looks really scummy as town lol. When he's scum he tries to make his posts seem sensible, plays more passively, and tries to avoid getting a lot of attention. This Oats is getting in dumb fights constantly; town Oats is agressive, confrontational, and dumber than scum Oats.
The case I stated says the exact opposite, he is anything BUT confrontational in this game.
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On November 20 2013 11:30 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 10:57 Holyflare wrote:Also austin why has your stance on mocsta suddenly changed in favour of lynching bc when in the mason chat you couldn't get a scum read on him??? + Show Spoiler +Austinmcc: There's nothing in his filter really for me. I think he misrepresented some stuff from storrzerg early on, but not in a way that screams scum. I agree with artanis that some of his poking has looked a bit opportunistic, but when I read mocsta's filter, I'm not really sold at him being scummy.
The only scum game I remember of mocsta's was one of his newbies and I was coaching town. He was relatively adept at....trying to do a thing, trying to post a certain way in order to get to x or y later down the road. I don't know if that's a constant theme of his games, but it made me think that he plays a scumgame aimed at setting up lynches/thoughts/pitting people against each other, and I don't get much of that from his play this game.
I think you're conflating two things? My stance on MOCSTA was that I couldn't get a scumread on him. My stance on mocsta has changed because he flipped red. My stance on BC yesterday was that I did not like his play, found him kind of scummy. + Show Spoiler +On November 16 2013 11:28 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 11:14 StorrZerg wrote:
@austinmcc what is your read on BC? would you agree his cause to lynch trolls is not alignment specific? Regardless of that answer, if you take that out, what makes him town or scum with how he has been playing this game so far?
He actively engaged me early when he didn't need to, which I found mildly townie. His return post on grack I didn't care too much for. BC can make that post as either alignment, it doesn't say much. The most interesting thing in his return is the stuff at the tail end, the quick minor lists of reads: Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 01:39 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
now that theres some content to the game lets get this shit on the go.
***AUSTINMCC DOESN'T CARE ABOUT THE TEXT THAT WAS UP HERE***
I have strong inclinations against Risen, and Rayn, but I want to see more.
VE, Oats, and SS are all town currently in my books and anyone harassing them for anything other than their aggression needs their head examined.
Yamato get off my dick. If you thought I was mafia you should know damn well to hold onto your train of thought until more time has passed and I've posted more to validate your opinion. By posting shit on how I haven't committed to anything by the 7 hour mark you look like a retard. The sheer data available to formulate decent reads of any shape usually doesn't exist by that time.
That bit looks decent there, including the response to yamato, which I'm fine with. But after being suspicious on rayn, he...he has this weird interaction. He asks rayn about risen, agrees to look at rayn's HF case, seems to find 2/3 of the 3 points rayn made on HF unconvincing + Show Spoiler +On November 16 2013 01:59 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 01:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:Here is why Holyflare is SCUM and should be lynched:*also elect me as mayor*On November 16 2013 00:42 Holyflare wrote:On November 16 2013 00:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You were implying i was scum earlier. I don't even know why because you never really told me. I made a whole post on you, it's not my fault if you haven't read it. About 3 people have copied it since then so it's no excuse. You disregarded risen after 1 post and called him town for NO reason (you have rectified this since then) and called my post bad (lol) because you misread what I intended. You jumped over me on a campaign that was better than the other campaigns currently put out which seemed irrational and scum raynish but you have backed off since then and started to develop other reads etc. 1) I have never ever in this game called Risen town. Whoever says so does not make it true. There is nothing to rectify because i have not done so. Oats for example did ask me about it and i clarified why i said i will ignore Risen on D1. After that it has not been brought up. You on the other hand still bring up how I CALLED RISEN TOWN (false) and then rectified my statement (false). I ahve not changed my mind on anything so you are making shit up. 2) I clearly stated why your campaign is full of shit. Everything you said in the campaign had been brought up earlier in thread and there is no reason to write fancy non-alignment indicative words because the only thing that matter is that the mayor lynches scum. Period. Therefore the campaign is shit. Do you think BC/yamato/supersoft/VE/me/etc etc are all scum and don't really want to be mayor? Are we running for mayor? Why do you think we are not writing fancy posts about our awesomeness and plans on lynching scum as mayor? Because it does not make it anyone any more town and therefore those kinda campaigns are shit and mean absolutely nothing. So why did you write that post again? 3) Now you are calling me town for my reads. But that was not the reason you called me scum in the first place (lack of reads). How does my reads (oh they were also weak with no reasoning according to you) make me suddenly town when the reasons you called me scum for were something completely different? You can't even fucking know if i am right or wrong in my reads if you are town. So it makes no sense. You are scum and making shit up. You didnt actively call him town but you did say you would ignore him and won't consider him for now. I can see this being stretched to "calling risen town" but yes you never actually said those words. Ignoring a player in full though tends to make people think town read. I don't think him having a non alignment indicative campaign is a bad thing. I would argue that making a "huge pro town" one is actually hard to do. Campaigns are required if someone seriously wants to be elected but past that their actions determine if they get elected. I would never elect HF based on his election post but I also wouldn't kill him for it. Point 3 has a ton of merit and looks bad. I honestly prefer a grack / storr lynch at this point but if HF keeps this behaviour up we will have a solid #3 to the list but is willing to consider HF as a third option for lynch. The train of thought there, as I read things, is: (1) rayn is on my watch list; (2) rayn made this case; (3) I don't like 2 of his 3 points; (4) the 3rd is good therefore I will consider rayn's target maybe scummy. Within the development of BC/rayn, I never saw BC call out rayn as TOWN, or specifically like anything rayn said and find it super awesome. Which leaves me wondering why rayn, who was suspicious a moment ago, has a single good point and two bad points on HF, yet HF now jumps up BC's lynch list. He engages Artanis which I like okay, gives Artanis a task, follows up, has clearly actually looked into Grackaroni. Overall, the BC read on rayn/HF is confusing to me, and I would like to hear what he was thinking throughout that. Otherwise, I don't want to lynch him, but I really really really don't want him in office. I think his grackaroni suspicion is supported by real stuff, but it's stuff he can find well enough as town OR mafia, and there's nothing in his filter that makes me confident he's actually town. A lot of his posting has been addressing side issues (his hatred of trolling, his thoughts re: storrzerg's newbieness or lack thereof), and if you eliminate side issues and grackaroni, his filter is very very meh (hopeless should post more/better, AMG SUCH A TOWNIE THOUGHT). I think that IF he's very obviously town, he's a fine person to slap a vest on. But I do not read him as such, and I would not want him voted for anything right now. On November 17 2013 03:20 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2013 03:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 17 2013 02:56 austinmcc wrote:Artanis, you around still? If yes, I would like to play some volleyball.
On November 16 2013 22:55 Mig wrote:
Who asked marvel how many of each role there were? If you mean the specific numbers for each faction, that's me. I didn't see it in the OP and wanted to know what size team we're dealing with. On November 16 2013 19:31 Blazinghand wrote:
I don't understand your reasoning for not wanting BC to be mayor. if he's scum wouldn't it put him in the spotlight and make him easier to catch? Trolling or is this an actual thought? I'm in for a game of volleyball. What do you make of BC? Still of the mind that his big post on grack/storr is not something to draw a read off of. I don't know about you, i THINK it was Acrofales and not you that I was scum with once and we were chatting about opportunities to make very townie housecleaning/scumhunting posts in the middle of shitfights while being scum. HolyFlare and...was it rayn? Yes. Were fighting, being spammy, trying to take control of the thread and rayn was really trying to get discussion centered on his HF case. There were a LOT of folks not being examined yet, it was early, and I think BC as town OR scum would notice that thread really needs a half-decent case at someone in that un-examined group to (a) turn discussion towards something more fruitful and (b) get AWAY from rayn/HF. It's not scummy to do that, but it's not as townie as other people make it out to be. The rest of his filter...there's a lot of side stuff. Discussions over ss and VE mayoral candidacies. Questioning yamato's townieness re mayor/pardonership. Apart from his one sizeable reads post, I see way more discussion of side issues or sniping at little things than I like. Towniest thing in his filter for me is him pointing you towards a specific grack game to read. But for all his posts, there isn't much of substance. Certainly don't want him elected, mildly scummy on him. Just way too much about hating trolls, skorr not being a noob, hopeless not having contributed enough, who should be mayor, it's all...not scumhunty, and it rarely/never leads anywhere. My turn. If I may, let's mix things up a little. BOTH ONEGU AND HOLYFLARE, GO! And a bunch of other posts where I ask people about their BC reads, ask for updates, etc. Or in mason chat - "I'm currently not loving BC, not loving cheesecake, not loving lonemeow (but I have zero experience with the guy), and generally not very sure on anything." (/m57) The way that BC has acted today has not improved my read on him. He has continued to be mainly involved in side discussion, and where he interacts with the mocsta flip reads, I find his interaction to be...questionable at best.
Your stance on mocsta was you couldn't get a scum read because he wasn't demonstrating anything you saw that applied to the newbie game. His red flip should not change this at all. BC is scummy for the reasons I linked in my post.
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