EPTOn November 20 2013 03:15 Koshi wrote:
I am voting for BH because he is scum.
I am voting for BH because he is scum.
do me a favor. go read my mason logs with BH and pretend you're me
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On November 20 2013 03:16 Holyflare wrote: He's so tunneled that he lies because he see's what he needs to see to make someone look like scum. He asked me to look at witchcraft 2 as an example of how hopeless plays town: The link is Here!. This is quite clearly a town hopeless that I can see in this game. Not only does he make longer winded posts with actual information in them but this was also a game that he had replaced into. I can quite clearly see content in that game which is non-existant in this one. so you're saying he's town then? why are you trying so hard to discredit him? I completely disagree with your hopeless read. Go look at that same game, wc2. Both rayn hopeless and I were all in it. What did hopeless do whenever I or other people call him scum? What did hopeless do earilier in this game whenever I raged at him? | ||
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On November 20 2013 03:22 Holyflare wrote: + Show Spoiler + On November 08 2013 23:14 Hopeless1der wrote: and thats my queue to delurk. Since thrawn posted his case on ET its gained very little traction, and no on has been willing to call me out for being afk for more than 24 hours. For the record I'm only up to page 25/45 (the game before I replaced ET) but I also read cephiro's great-wall-of-WoS-is-scum post, so thats my excuse. Regarding Koshi's recent posts...does that almost confirm him as town since scum dont get witchcraft votes? So far, I have townreads on enough of the playerbase that lynching into my unknowns (assuming my townreads are right) would win the game by sheer numbers. The top of my would-lynch list is sylencia. This is partly OMGUS for him voting ET=me and partly what he's done today that thrawn already pointed out + Show Spoiler + On November 08 2013 14:28 thrawn2112 wrote: I am still wanting to lynch Onegu but I want to talk about syl because I'd like him to be a possible lynch candidate as well. Sylencia votes for ET on day 1. He is the only person with his vote still on ET at the end of the day during d2 sylencia says this Go back and read the part I bolded. Read what sylencia says he's going to do about hopeless during D2. He comes in voting for ceph saying that all the other candidates are likely to be lynched and therefore not worth talking about. I question him about this and his response is.... oh so now it's time to ignore everything being said about ET? When earlier he said hopeless is somebody he'd "be wanting to lynch too because it's rather easy for him to worm his way out if he's scum from the mess ET left for him" why why why does nobody see this as scummy? syl's main candidate from d1 is someone who syl says he's going to "keep in mind during the course of the day" but he later refuses to acknowledge hopeless as a serious candidate. Others on my would-lynch list are umasi onegu and sn0-man, in no particular order, with no particular reasons than that I haven't found compelling reasons to call them town so far (Again, only up to page 25/45 at the time of this post) On November 09 2013 01:10 Hopeless1der wrote: ##Vote: Sn0_Man The silver bullet insistence when there is no evidence to that statement, still trying to out blues, this unsubstantiated statement that he almost immediately retracts when called out: + Show Spoiler + On November 06 2013 01:43 Sn0_Man wrote: Nobody's around or something  this happened yesterday too then I get flamed because I'm afk or something. I'm fairly open to an Onegu lynch. That guy martyrs as scum all the time. I haven't identified anybody else I really want to lynch. Rayns points against ET make sense and all but at the same time if ET is scum he's successfully changed a lot of things about his scum play in the last... week. Which is eminently possible I guess, I mean I give him that much credit. OO's still scum but thrawn sez he's not so I'm not sure where to go with that one. Considering its majority lynch I don't think i'll waste anybodies time with him today. Coming up with 3 townreads is pretty hard when they can't just be the obvious candidates All point to him being scum to me. The gumshoe vote is a complete waste of time, but for the sake of confirmation bias: + Show Spoiler + On November 06 2013 06:58 Sn0_Man wrote: 1 more or something lol this is awful Absolutely no thought into whether gumshoe was town or scum, just wanted a lynch On November 06 2013 07:02 Sn0_Man wrote: wat a shocker team ridiculous. Lets kill OO tomorrow. 'wat a shocker'....THEN WHY DID YOU FUCKERS LYNCH HIM? There's also this interaction with me, the moment i replace: + Show Spoiler + On November 07 2013 07:11 Sn0_Man wrote: R U scum? I half-jokingly but full-truthfully reply: On November 07 2013 07:16 Hopeless1der wrote: I'm an acolyte. I am not of The Inquisition. I am not scum. My blood is green. U haz moar questions? His response: On November 07 2013 07:21 Sn0_Man wrote: Either u read the whole thread in 5 mins or ur checking up on the most recent page. Dunno if that means anything. I fail to see what questions I could have for you that would be relevant. Tell u wat. As you read the game, Pay attention to OO and tell us why u think he was the NK  For whatever reason, Sn0 feels the need to take the piss out of me for being a little cheeky in response to his rhetorical question. It feels wrong that he is insinuating that I'm "something" simply because I hit F5. Is that not a common thing for replacements to do? Also, deferring any read of OO onto me, in addition to insisting OO was a silver bullet target. On November 13 2013 12:08 Hopeless1der wrote: @Sn0 Like what, pray-tell? Do I get my own personal edition of "(OMGUS-read) makes up shit!" (previous installments include WoS makes up shit Parts 1 and 2) Are you sure you have read the thread? I've been saying you and Syl for a long time, basically from the moment I replaced (and caught up). I know I backed off syl for a bit but that was before a)koshi flipped and b) rayn gave Umasi a greencheck I will not consider voting the "other person" unless thrawn and rayn decide to go after syl instead of you(/me) today. @Thrawn what, having no reads and running around chasing my own tail? Aside from a slight diversion for thinking syl was too dumb to be scum, I've been consistent and assertive in stating who I think is scummy and who I want lynched. Furthermore, the consensus comes down to scum being Sn0 + (Me/Sylencia). So, while I can appreciate that you are not able to verify my role PM, my attitude of "lol game solved" is absolutely appropriate given the knowledge that I would be expected to have.(or pretend to if I were scum). I will concede that I have not been proactive about getting my scumreads lynched so I'll have to get to work on that. Sn0_Man To start with, do you recall Sn0's "Onegu matryrs as scum" debacle? I've spoilered the relevant quotes. + Show Spoiler + The bolded red in this quote On November 06 2013 01:43 Sn0_Man wrote: Nobody's around or something this happened yesterday too then I get flamed because I'm afk or something. I'm fairly open to an Onegu lynch. That guy martyrs as scum all the time. I haven't identified anybody else I really want to lynch. Rayns points against ET make sense and all but at the same time if ET is scum he's successfully changed a lot of things about his scum play in the last... week. Which is eminently possible I guess, I mean I give him that much credit. OO's still scum but thrawn sez he's not so I'm not sure where to go with that one. Considering its majority lynch I don't think i'll waste anybodies time with him today. Coming up with 3 townreads is pretty hard when they can't just be the obvious candidates The next whole quote belongs in an IHOP On November 06 2013 02:36 Sn0_Man wrote: Last game I gave him a townread for something and he said stuff like "don't give me a townread for that" and shit. Maybe not full martyr but the mindset is the same. Its "Would scum throw away "towncred" like this? Would scum call attention to themselves like this? Of course not". Its how Onegu plays. I'll admit that I often get the same vibes from his townplay and in general I have real difficulty reading Onegu, but I'd argue that that makes him a serious liability to have moving into the late game. And he hasn't done anything to make me think he's town. I mean, if he IS town, then he wants to die so we should oblige him and solve that questionmark. If he is scum, then we lynch scum. It feels like the right move right now. Besides what townie ever self votes except in frustration? This wasn't frustration it was "look at me I'm so cooperative and want town to win" yeah right. Note the emphasis on Onegu martyrs AS SCUM all the time On November 09 2013 01:11 Sn0_Man wrote: I'm not insisting retards, I'm trying to figure out. I retract nothing, onegu martyrs and plays the "no-defence" scum style all the time. Now see his response when I tell him to PROVE its a SCUM-ONLY trait for Onegu + Show Spoiler + On November 09 2013 01:15 Hopeless1der wrote: Quotes, filters and alignments for the games in question. You wanted to lynch the guy. Prove he martyr's ONLY as scum and NEVER as town. On November 09 2013 01:18 Sn0_Man wrote: Well you aren't reading. I say he does it as both alignments. I've played with onegu as town and scum multiple times. He plays very similarly as both alignments and he's always the last scum to die. I've lost to his scum. If other people think he is scum, I am going to lend weight to their arguments because I have no reason to believe otherwise. But he JUST finished saying Onegu is scum because he martyr's as scum. Now he's saying Onegu martyrs as town as well. Then why in the hell is Onegu a scum-read? btw, from Onegu's filter with regard to this issue: On November 09 2013 01:19 Onegu wrote: This is the first time I have martyred as town, and I dont martyr all the time as scum I think I have only done it twice as scum and I never self voted. ...from Onegu's own mouth. He has never martyred as town before this game. Now he could very well be mistaken, but I'd like to believe Sn0 is full of it rather than believe that Onegu misunderstands what martyring is. So there's that issue fleshed out more thoroughly. I touched on this in my earlier case on Sn0 which is spoilered here if you'd like to re-read it: + Show Spoiler + ##Vote: Sn0_Man The silver bullet insistence when there is no evidence to that statement, still trying to out blues, this unsubstantiated statement that he almost immediately retracts when called out: + Show Spoiler + On November 06 2013 01:43 Sn0_Man wrote: Nobody's around or something this happened yesterday too then I get flamed because I'm afk or something. I'm fairly open to an Onegu lynch. That guy martyrs as scum all the time. I haven't identified anybody else I really want to lynch. Rayns points against ET make sense and all but at the same time if ET is scum he's successfully changed a lot of things about his scum play in the last... week. Which is eminently possible I guess, I mean I give him that much credit. OO's still scum but thrawn sez he's not so I'm not sure where to go with that one. Considering its majority lynch I don't think i'll waste anybodies time with him today. Coming up with 3 townreads is pretty hard when they can't just be the obvious candidates All point to him being scum to me. The gumshoe vote is a complete waste of time, but for the sake of confirmation bias: + Show Spoiler + On November 06 2013 06:58 Sn0_Man wrote: 1 more or something lol this is awful Absolutely no thought into whether gumshoe was town or scum, just wanted a lynch On November 06 2013 07:02 Sn0_Man wrote: wat a shocker team ridiculous. Lets kill OO tomorrow. 'wat a shocker'....THEN WHY DID YOU FUCKERS LYNCH HIM? There's also this interaction with me, the moment i replace: + Show Spoiler + On November 07 2013 07:11 Sn0_Man wrote: R U scum? I half-jokingly but full-truthfully reply: On November 07 2013 07:16 Hopeless1der wrote: I'm an acolyte. I am not of The Inquisition. I am not scum. My blood is green. U haz moar questions? His response: On November 07 2013 07:21 Sn0_Man wrote: Either u read the whole thread in 5 mins or ur checking up on the most recent page. Dunno if that means anything. I fail to see what questions I could have for you that would be relevant. Tell u wat. As you read the game, Pay attention to OO and tell us why u think he was the NK For whatever reason, Sn0 feels the need to take the piss out of me for being a little cheeky in response to his rhetorical question. It feels wrong that he is insinuating that I'm "something" simply because I hit F5. Is that not a common thing for replacements to do? Also, deferring any read of OO onto me, in addition to insisting OO was a silver bullet target. I'd like to add to this, why is he upset that I answered his question? Was I not supposed to see it? Like...what exactly was the "town" response he was looking for there? Ignoring him completely? His post in response to me is just noise and reaches no conclusions, as usual. Next, something Thrawn pointed out in blue, and obviously the relevant scum association in red: You know...I could write something up, but I'd much rather you, the reader, go into Sn0's filter, hit All and then Ctrl+F for 'Vanesco' and 'syl'. Read each quote up to the 7th time each name crops up (So ctrl+F 'vanesco', read quote, hit next, read quote etc. until instance #7 then repeat for syl). Let me know if you found the statement in red from the above quote convincing. In fact, here is his filter, already set to 'All' mode. Okay, so you did that right? Checked his filter out? Good, now go ahead and open the spoiler. + Show Spoiler + There was not a whole lot of reasoning for Vanesco and I'll be damned if I saw anything concrete about syl, but you can be sure of one thing: Sn0 said On November 11 2013 16:12 Sn0_Man wrote: Something something weekend something something not at all convinced vanesco is scum. ##Vote: Vanesco I'll attempt to show up pre-lynch since I feel like syl's a better one but majority etc. A better lynch to be more precise. i.e. calling him scum. So how come he later on says On November 13 2013 05:27 Sn0_Man wrote: Yeah u changed avatar now we can't be Templar friends I wasn't leaning scum on syl because there wasn't memorably scummy things in them. Syl is part of a large group of people who play very forgettably as town or scum as far as I can tell (Umasi too only he's town this game). Syl went kinda pants on head D3 though. Is calling the towniest person in the thread scum intelligent as either alignment? I'd argue not... How'd I come through all that without a certain scum? ugh. Still working on it or something. Sn0 LITERALLY said he thinks syl is a better lynch than Vanesco. In what universe does that not equate to a scum read? How many times has Sn0 made a waffle and on how many players? It'd be one thing if he was pursuing leads on a scum read, but again, Thrawn you already hit this point:+ Show Spoiler + On November 13 2013 07:13 thrawn2112 wrote: snoman like every single post you've made today has been something like words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words but on the other hand words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words null tell or nvm Its not just today though...its everything he's done all game. The only thing he was consistent on was OO being scum. Oh, and that OO died to a Silver Bullet. Because scum-reads are most likely to be elected as blues and then shot by the witchhunter in Sn0_Man's head. wat. Obviously, I'm a little confirmation biased, so I've spoilered the following statements from Sn0's filter that left me wondering what the hell is he doing? + Show Spoiler + On November 13 2013 07:11 Sn0_Man wrote: PS Theres 0 fucking way koshi is shot if i'm scum I think. wat? + Show Spoiler + On November 13 2013 07:15 Sn0_Man wrote: Every post i've made has been legit. Nobody reads them though because you all have scumreads on me for no fucking reason. The fact that I haven't solved the game 100% is PROOF IM FUCKING TOWN since we are at MYLO if i'm scum I just ahve to commit to 1 mislynch and win. READ VANESCO PLEASE PPS: i voted thrawn for blue last night. Blue can claim see my above post. If you did soem retard shit like hiding then fuck you how's that help solve the game. wat + Show Spoiler + On November 13 2013 07:28 Sn0_Man wrote: I want to lynch Hopeless and Syl. I don't really care which since they are both scum. Rayn could be (that suspicion keeps getting stronger) but I'm ignoring that since even if he is there must be another scum out there. Literally nobody else can be scum (I have a green pm, you can't be scum, thats the entire thread). The only good reasons I have for them to be scum (apart from EchelonTee and vanesco tag-teaming shit like pushing you day 1, voting me d2, etc) is process of elimination. Any point you can put on me (too lazy to scumhunt) applies to hopeless in fucking spades. Syl has been off in lala land all game apparently thats more townie than having fun with the game d1[*], doing my best to discuss onegu day 2[**], actually voting for scum d3[***], etc... You guys are all so out of touch because scum kept whispering "sno is scum" in the thread till people believed it for NO REASON. Koshi himself said (and he's conftown) that I afk most weekends you can't lynch me for that. Note how he got killed because Koshi was the single person most against my lynch in the whole thread. * i.e. Nothing. p.s. I replaced in Day2 ** Remember how he martyrs, all the fucking time? u gaiz? he so martyr ***+ Show Spoiler + On November 12 2013 00:32 Hapahauli wrote: Vote-Count: Day 3 Vanseco (6): Thrawn2112, Umasi, Koshi, Sn0_Man, raynpelikoneet, Hopeless1der Sn0_Man (1): Vanesco, Cephiro (1): Sylencia Not Voting (1): Cephiro Currently Vanesco is set to be lynched! 5 votes are needed to lynch. The deadline is in @ Monday, Nov 11 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00). Make sure to PM your ONE witchcraft vote to both Blazinghand and Ange777 by the deadline. + Show Spoiler + On November 13 2013 07:29 Sn0_Man wrote: PS by scum whispering that I mean Onegu and ET/Hopeless unless that isn't clear. On November 09 2013 07:00 Blazinghand wrote: Onegu the Acolyte has been elminated! ![[image loading]](http://cdn.alltheragefaces.com/img/faces/jpg/misc-you-dont-say.jpg) where is the effort in WC2? I mean look at this shit: On November 11 2013 07:35 Hopeless1der wrote: sorry thrawn I cant bring myself to give a shit right now...this setup should probably be invite-only from here on. I don't think you can count what he did during mylo because mylo of that game and D1-D2 of this game are completly different scenarios. | ||
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are you really trying to tell me that town hopeless puts effort into games? is that your argument for him being scum in this one? | ||
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On November 20 2013 03:34 Holyflare wrote: he puts some contribution towards the game as town, even if he did nothing for 2 cycles (pretty much what he's done day1 here), he came back into the thread and delurked to give reads and information, there are lots of longer posts that detail things compared to this game where there are none. eh. I can see what you're saying here. But since this case is based on meta, can you go look and see what he did in WC2 when he got called scum? I think it was right before his big burst of energy at the end. What he did there he does in all his town games. When I was yelling at him earlier my anger was partially faked, I was trying to see what reaction I could get out of him. Compare that reaction with the reaction that I asked you to look up in WC2 | ||
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On November 20 2013 03:36 supersoft wrote: every second post is from rayn. hey do you still think BH is assassin? | ||
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On November 20 2013 03:46 Grackaroni wrote: Is thrawn normally good at this game? I don't see how anyone can legitimately believe BH has a valid case. this is what BH's case is talking about... how ironic occasionally serious when he needs to push his agenda but include just enough trolling so that nobody is gonna take him seriously | ||
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On November 20 2013 03:47 Holyflare wrote: Also, rayn, a point on your pandain case that I would like to explore some more is in fact austin. We can do that whenever you want though as you've just posted about Pandain. what was your impression of austin's impression of you throughout your mason chat? | ||
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On November 20 2013 06:22 supersoft wrote: This game is almost unreadable. I just skimmed through the last 20 pages and there is no content. It's just a huge monologue of rayn. I have to think about that. Maybe i'll do it in my next scumgame. WAIT! I already did that in one of my scumgames. Because if you cripple the thread for like 3 days or so, everyone loses interest = easy scumwin. supersoft! ignore everyone else. if you really think that rayn is cluttering up the thread then stop talking about him You thought BH was assassin before I posted his claim right? Do you still think this? Why aren't you trying to save him? Oats is probably not getting lynched at this point. The only other two viable lynches seem to be pandain and bc. A pandain lynch would make me a happy thrawn. I might be willing to consolidate on BC but it's not likely unless he's the only alternative to the BH lynch. I really liked his analysis of the mocsta/grack situation and there's been a few other times where his thought process has lined up with mine. lol actually no i'm not lynching BC. imo he's the towniest out the vet group and I distinctly remember marv participating in a heated discussion about balancing teams can everyone on BH look and panda and grack one more time? | ||
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On November 20 2013 06:40 Pandain wrote: I don't doubt that SS, BH deserves to get 100% lynched. Can you walk me through your thought process on BH again? I want you to start from the very moment you were suspicious of him, and include any and all times that your read changed and why. the way you say he "deserves" to get lynched suggests that you know he aint gonna flip red | ||
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On November 20 2013 06:48 Pandain wrote: Thrawn we have talked about this way too much. I'm not going to change my mind. at this point i'm more interested in trying to get a read on you than what you do with your vote. the reason I keep asking you to talk about this is because I'm still having a hard time seeing wtf your thought process actually would be if you're town so just indulge me, ok? | ||
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On November 20 2013 06:51 Holyflare wrote: That's the biggest thing that makes him NOT town. why is BC scum? explain it in 3 sentences or less. btw I don't think you answered my question, about "what is your impression of austin's impression of you during your mason chat" | ||
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On November 20 2013 07:12 austinmcc wrote: I'm popping in and should be here til deadline. Had a surprise preliminary job interview and prep for that. Thrawn, if you're around, since I summarized D1 for you, will you summarize anything important from D2? Reading now. lots of talk about BH. anything that isn't about BH usually gets drowned out by more talk of BH can you asnwer the reverse of the question I asked HF about your mason chats? do you think he was sincerely trying to figure out your alignment? | ||
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On November 20 2013 09:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: Holy shit. I definitely know what outs austin as scum now. I don't wanna tell it though haha. I can tell you he is 100% scum. Lynch him the next day. Or vig him during night. That dude is scum! ^^ lol respond to my qt posts | ||
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On November 20 2013 10:37 austinmcc wrote: Oh hi rayn/thrawn log. Thrawn, can you...can you explain to me a couple things? (1) How the me/pandain not giving reads thing worked for you, just...stream of consciousness throughout game? (2) Do you remember Mocsta in Newbie 37? (3) If so, Y U NO SAY SOMETHING? (4) If you read Newbie 37 filter, do you still agree 100% with BC's analysis of grack/mocsta? (5) If yes/no, why? And what does it say about BC to you? (1) I don't know what you mean here. I did make that joke about pandain being honest but it wasn't really anything more than that, a joke. If you look at the rest of my posts and my D2 vote I definitely didn't let him off the hook like you're suggesting (2) lol no (3) null (4/5) i'm way too lazy to read that game and besides that I don't see what scum newbie mocsta has to do with this game's mocsta. and can you or somebody else explain what's so bad about BC's analysis? this is what seems to be the core of it: "I say this not because of how strongly my gut screams hes red, but purely on how the interactions between mocsta and him were. Mocsta appeared to be extremely angry/cross/annoyed/etc... almost exclusively with grack which is completely different from how he interacted with basically everyone in this game and everyone in personality." 1 mocsta is scum... his flip confirms this 2 grack is scum... he is unflipped but I hope to finally get people to reevaluate him now that we can talk about non-bh stuff 3 if # 2 is correct then it would make PERFECT sense that mocsta decided to buss grack go read grack's filter up to the end of N1. pretend that grack is scum and pretend that you're scum mocsta. does BC's stuff make sense now? speaking of reading grack's filter, can everyone go read grack's filter? people said they would do that if BH doesn't flip scum and I don't see that happening | ||
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