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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 15 2013 15:10 GMT
#941
On November 16 2013 00:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi why are you so weird? Are you scum?

Nha.
I had a good night of sleep.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
November 15 2013 15:11 GMT
#942
BC's reads:

On November 15 2013 13:16 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Austin I want to see sharrant post more before I make a judgement on him. I do this as someone who doesn't really remember his play from much (i dont read games I don't play in normally and hes never left a lasting impression with me)

Risen however has made a post that I fucking loath.
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On November 15 2013 11:41 Risen wrote:
Can't be bothered to read all this. Love it when I'm scum, reason I hate being town.


Anyone who cannot be bothered to read a game of mafia from start to finish when town should be fucking banned from playing. I seriously cannot get behind people who do this shit.

No read on Sharranf, and a rather meaningless rage post on some arbitrary "he's not reading! Aaaaaahhhh!" Kind of sentiment. Blah.

On November 15 2013 13:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
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On November 15 2013 11:54 Grackaroni wrote:
On November 15 2013 11:47 Mocsta wrote:
On November 15 2013 11:38 Grackaroni wrote:
On November 15 2013 11:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
On November 15 2013 11:29 Grackaroni wrote:
Mocsta can you explain more simply why Storrzerg is scum. what is the difference between hunting for scum and wanting to hunt scum?

What's so compelling about Mocsta's StorrZerg suspicion that you should comment on that and not any of the other suspicions being flown around? This might be the first post in which you don't mention Kush.

It's the worst accusation I've seen.

O really.....

Storrzerg could be town making a selfish play for mayor.
I can dig that, been there done that.
I actually acknowledged this in my post.

However, what I identified after a filter dive is that aside from a game plan to campaign for mayor his choice of play is pro town.

Every game I have played in, it has always been scum pushing rng... Myself included in that increasingly larger subset.
Storrzerg positions himself as a reliable scum hunter, asserting that unknowns yamato and VE would vote for him.
Then spins this around proposing RNG on the basis of forcing activity.

Yeah... I don't buy this, and neither should anyone else.
It's a cheap cop out and I can not imagine a town person would approach a mayor game in this fashion.


So.. your town. Why is this such a bad accusation that you are willing to delurk to voice concern.
Actually fuck that Grack. If you are so certain it is bad play I want him lynched... Who do YOU want lynched as of now.

I don't think that's true at all. Lots of townies push RNG normally including myself. You posted a long fluffy post with 3 weak points.

Storrzerg played the noob card- It's not scummy for newbs to use the noob card.
He added the word for between hunt scum - wat?
He thinks it would be a good idea to suggest RNG to raise activity - How does that make him scum?


RNG is a dumb as fuck way to approach things.

Also Storr cant play the noob card because hes not a newb. Hes been playing for ages. A player being mayor or not before does not mean they will make a good choice. Someone who is clearly making solid choices and decisions is who should get it. If storr thinks he can win with the "noob" card we should lynch him purely on the fact hes not new.

Given that he wants to add RNG to the list as well then it seems to me like we have a good solid day 1 removal unless he straightens himself out

Storr is not a nppb, so we should lynch him for saying he is and because he mentioned RNG.

Post in question:

On November 15 2013 08:38 StorrZerg wrote:
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On November 15 2013 08:35 Mig wrote:
For the people who are actually serious about running for mayor, what is going to be your day 1 lynch strategy? Vote for a lurker/go with your gut/town consensus/etc?



Kill people who claim to be mafia

claim rng for first lynch (prob not but need to keep people active)

hunt scum

lynch them with fire



Not exactly advocating RNG, is he? No.

The rest of BC's filter is trash.

Lynch this man.
Writer@WriterYamato
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
November 15 2013 15:11 GMT
#943
On November 16 2013 00:00 Koshi wrote:
Ok I missed that 1 line in which supersoft says he leans town on VE and Yam. Not the biggest fan on how he entered the thread. But it's cool.


o_o
flip flop

but yes, now I understand what you want from me. It's actually very reasonable.
You question my motivations, which is good. And you make a fair point:

I said I want to be mayor, however I attack everyone. And I didn't follow my mayoral campaign up, this ends now:
______________________________________________________________________

to make this clear:

I am still running for mayor.
- I think i'll have a positive impact on this game if i survive to day3-4
- I usually die early, so i need protection.

- I happily lynch someone if I get elected, I am cool with lynching someone the majority choses, and I am even more cool with lynching someone I chose.

- I think I can establish my townieness very, very well over the next days and therefor I am also cool with getting elected as pardoner.

If you elect me as pardoner, I want you to know that I have a strict policy regarding lynches.
I love to lynch for information. Almost every lynch is (95%) is good for town in my eyes. (Only a Palmar/BC d1 lynches suck) And therefor, I'll probably never use the pardonder power.

My policy regarding the doublelynch is, we doublelynch after we catched scum, because then we have enough information to lynch 2 scummers.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
November 15 2013 15:12 GMT
#944
On November 16 2013 00:04 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2013 00:00 Mocsta wrote:
On November 15 2013 23:57 yamato77 wrote:
On November 15 2013 23:51 Mocsta wrote:
On November 15 2013 23:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I mean:
the risak of losing a town BC far exceeds the gain from losing a scum BC, this early on in my opinion.

this is pretty bad..
BC could be scum, but you aren't even trying to interact with him to develop the read further.
it comes down to asset management.
BC is a highly respected vet. let's entertain you and say he is scum.
there are still 5 others out there, 4 if you include storrzerg.

...but this is pretty good.

???
a day1 town BC loss is a massive win for scum.

if he is scum and lynched. course its a good win fie town, but the team still has 5 members and can continue as before.

I think in this scenario, the benefit of a town vet outweighs a scum vet.
its why people say leave marv and palmar to day 2 or 3 regardless of performance.
BC fits into that grouping.

There are likely more town vets than there are scum vets, so it is actually worse for scum to lose what is potentially their leader than it is for town to lose one vet amongst five or six people who could reasonably lead the game.

But again, I have never believed in putting off lynches just for vet status. This is a bad argument and I don't agree in the slightest. You're just giving them more time alive for no good reason. He has to earn the right to live in my town just like the rest of you do.
wires are crossed here.

I am completely against vets standing on a pedestal, or hiding behind reputation.

I am also against someone establishing townieness and then trying to push a lynch off feeling.
you haven't convinced me BC is the best lynch for today, and your approach is not conducive yo changing my mind either.


That's not what you said. You clearly argued for vet protection for essentially no good reason. But whatever.

What would you like me to do, point out specific posts where he says nothing? If you don't agree that he's essentially posting fluff, why don't you give your read on the matter? Right now it seems like you just want to play foil.

more misconstrued reading.

as I said.your approach hasn't sold me. iyou said a bunch of things with no backing,
I'm on a phone and its not easy to see where you are coming from.

if it was a shitty lurker, maybe I could agree. but in my opinion a vet deserves more effort based on asset management.
the risk of being wrong is severe.

you are back to being too cocky/confident which has always been your weakness. its disappointing.
if you have such a strong scum read on BC, you should be able to manifest this in an easy to dsicern manner.
instead, I tell you that you haven't convinced me, and instead you try to insinuate in scum.

now I know for fact you are worthless as a mayor. too self absorbed to even consider if you are wrong,
I want to win the game, not be voted in as mayor, clearly we have two different objectives,
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
November 15 2013 15:14 GMT
#945
I don't need you telling my how to play.
Writer@WriterYamato
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 15 2013 15:18 GMT
#946
On November 16 2013 00:05 Onegu wrote:
Oh and slam is town, unless while he was gone he was playing on another site. I dont see a scum slam comeing in here and being all legible and open like he is. Second I dont like grack and his defense of storrzerg. First storrzerg doesnt need it and the way grack is doing it saying he is just out of newbie games is giving off warning bells to me.


I do not think slams change in style of posting is definitive of alignment at all. He said he wanted to make a change in style and is doing so. That being said, I do agree that he has an air of townieness in him compared to other games. He's said he wants to prove to us that he is town and I await more input from him on that matter.

__________________________________________________________

Grack, I'm not sure about. He played carefree in hogwarts and this game HAS been overly defensive of people that he hadn't needed to be defensive on, i.e, storrzerg and mattchew. and very quick to follow suit with pandain's reads.

He has also given out reads with no real back up on them (something that people seem to like doing in this game........), for example:

On November 15 2013 13:03 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2013 13:01 Pandain wrote:
Grack who do you think is town

Oatsmaster is probably town. yamato is likely too if he continues on the path that he has been going so far.

On November 15 2013 15:10 Grackaroni wrote:
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On November 15 2013 15:09 Pandain wrote:
Grack to be frank I don't know why you seem so defensive; by defensive I mean you're hesitant to give town reads or commit to scum reads.

Your posting sometimes seems forced to me as well. Is something wrong?

I don't have any strong scum reads. Maybe Mocsta is scum.



On November 15 2013 15:23 Grackaroni wrote:
Vayne is town. He had some quality insights.






He then goes on to say:

On November 15 2013 15:13 Grackaroni wrote:
In fact, this whole game has been pretty strange with people throwing out random town reads.


This grack seems a lot different from the last one that I played with, perhaps more defensive? I think would be the best way to put it. Not just of himself but of others too.



__________________________________________________________

Furthermore, in regards to rayn, what I said in hogwarts about him being a dog with a bone was true. Here is my post for reference:

+ Show Spoiler +
On October 26 2013 08:21 Holyflare wrote:


The case on rayn I made actually just ended up being proof he was town too. The rayn I played with when scum was a dog with a bone, however, that bone was actually a retard stick and he wouldn't let go of it. He wqs aggressive on really really minor points and couldn't coherently come up with proper reasoning for scum motives. This rayn is different, he's still a dog with a bone but it's a bone that is made of logic and reasoning. Yes, at the start koshi picked up on skan for nothing but that is koshi, i don't understand that guy, ever. Rayn has been pushing people and falling off when it seems like something makes sense, he's pressured grack A LOT and helpfully that made grack post more and we could get a read on him. That is why I think the gryffindor check must have been tampered with. If jat is vigi, which he must be then there is no other choice.

(paraphrased for content)

rayn has been throwing out reads left right and center and when something sticks he attacks it, however, what I have seen afterwards has been what I assume to be reconsiderations or a thought process emerging, something that I can see town rayn doing rather than scum. His stances on people that I think are scummy has put him off my lynch target for today.

That being said, I still want him to elaborate on the reads that he gives that have no backup.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 15 2013 15:18 GMT
#947
Mocsta stop it already. yamato is being completely reasonable.
What do you think of supersoft's last post?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 15 2013 15:19 GMT
#948
Holyflare could you elaborate more on which reads have i not explained?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 15 2013 15:20 GMT
#949
Also your meta on me is total bullshit and based on one phase where i was not able to play.
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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 15 2013 15:21 GMT
#950
On November 16 2013 00:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also your meta on me is total bullshit and based on one phase where i was not able to play.


It's based on every game that I have read up on you
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
November 15 2013 15:23 GMT
#951
I actually made a case

Respond pplz or I assume you think I'm correct ;]
Writer@WriterYamato
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 15 2013 15:24 GMT
#952
Well it does not hold water because my posting style and playstyle is similar as town and scum and you can't possibly get anything out of it unless you have actually played in the game yourself.
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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 15 2013 15:24 GMT
#953
Also what i mean on the reads front is that when you post your read about someone it is usually based on 1 or 2 lines of you saying something that a person did. This means I have to read up to see if it actually makes sense and to confirm what you are saying and when you do give a read off the top of your head I expect you to follow it up with some reasoning: re:

On November 15 2013 23:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On November 15 2013 23:22 LoneMeow wrote:
On November 15 2013 23:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yamato you are the only person who i am confident can actually read me on D1. Can you tell these fuckers to look somewhere else because atm the thread is about which one of these two townies (me/lonemeow) is scum and it really does not help.


Who's your top scum suspect that you'd prefer we look into instead?

Waiting for Storrzerg's answer to Mocsta.
  • Holyflare i still think is scum but i don't care to write a big post about it right now.
  • Grack had couple of bad posts, one of which i pointed out and another one where he says he does not bother reading me or Koshi because impossible - which is not correct, at least regarding Koshi.
  • BC's posts have been bad.
  • supersoft got a little better but still dislike him.
  • Sharrant for being exited before the game and then not being exited at all when the game starts.


That's it pretty much from the people who have posted. Still not sold on Koshi's towniness, seems too tryhard which is not his usual townplay.

Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 15 2013 15:26 GMT
#954
I have no problem with BloodyC0bbler. He will come back with a bang, his opening post demands it.
I had a good night of sleep.
OOHCHILD
Profile Joined September 2013
United States570 Posts
November 15 2013 15:26 GMT
#955
the only doubts i have about mocsta is i hear he plays good scum so i'm not totally confident on my townread on him.

changing my vote to yamato actually. I think he is the best choice because he is VERY obvious town. mostly because he is such shite scum.
##vote yamato

I would also vote ss mayor because I find his bad boy attitude sexy,
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 15 2013 15:27 GMT
#956
On November 15 2013 19:11 OOHCHILD wrote:
The question was What makes rayne scummy imo?

For me it's mostly it's that his tone fits with his scum meta. It's aggressive and mean.
His town play from what I've seen is also very characteristic and I'm not seeing it here.

Last game I played he was scum. He also did the very quick reads without reason thing he did this game "ve is town, oats is dumb"
Yea I'm on my phone and I can't quote.

He said he was ignoring risen. I don't see town rayne doing that. Town rayne is constantly struggling to figure out everyone's alignments.



First off I disagree with this, a town and scum rayn both are this way, check out persona 4 mafia and rayns attack on WoS D1, he was town that game. The biggest dif imo for scum and town rayn is you can normally tell is rayn believes his case or not. You have to look at that, once he starts to tunnel onto someone you have to ask him questions and call him out and you should be able to get a read on him. I was thinking about why I started to tunnel him so hard in witchcraft and I figured out this was the reason. Also he isnt quite as active as scum, but this isnt as accurate.
Try TL Mafia!!!
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 15 2013 15:29 GMT
#957
Also, everyone thinks their playstyle is the same as both town and scum because that would be the ideal thing to do, if that were the case nobody could have any meta on you at all and so when you asked yamato if you were definitely town because he could "read" you, he must therefore be wrong too. So which is it? Are you the best mafia player with an impeccable playstyle or could it be that someone actually analyses you in a correct manner?

I like that you question it though because if you were scummy you would just blindly accept somebody calling you town as a free read.

______________________________

Yamato, like I said before, all his points are aggressive with no actual content so far. I did read some of his previous games and there is a LITTLE bit more structure in his town games but he seems to be a less active poster in there as well and so I can't really develop anything based off of what you are saying. I agree it is pitiful content so far but is it the most lynch worthy we have? There are several other people in the exact same situations as him.

Either way, I like what you said about scum only having 1 or 2 vets at most on their team, this is most probably true and if nothing comes to more fruition I could get behind this BC lynch. Yet, I would still like to hear him defend himself/add more before we get to that point.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 15 2013 15:29 GMT
#958
Just woke up to no internet (on phone). Gg Rogers. I'll read up soon I hope.
OOHCHILD
Profile Joined September 2013
United States570 Posts
November 15 2013 15:29 GMT
#959
yeah rayne's involvement is encouraging
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 15 2013 15:30 GMT
#960
On November 16 2013 00:24 Holyflare wrote:
Also what i mean on the reads front is that when you post your read about someone it is usually based on 1 or 2 lines of you saying something that a person did. This means I have to read up to see if it actually makes sense and to confirm what you are saying and when you do give a read off the top of your head I expect you to follow it up with some reasoning: re:

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On November 15 2013 23:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 15 2013 23:22 LoneMeow wrote:
On November 15 2013 23:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yamato you are the only person who i am confident can actually read me on D1. Can you tell these fuckers to look somewhere else because atm the thread is about which one of these two townies (me/lonemeow) is scum and it really does not help.


Who's your top scum suspect that you'd prefer we look into instead?

Waiting for Storrzerg's answer to Mocsta.
  • Holyflare i still think is scum but i don't care to write a big post about it right now.
  • Grack had couple of bad posts, one of which i pointed out and another one where he says he does not bother reading me or Koshi because impossible - which is not correct, at least regarding Koshi.
  • BC's posts have been bad.
  • supersoft got a little better but still dislike him.
  • Sharrant for being exited before the game and then not being exited at all when the game starts.


That's it pretty much from the people who have posted. Still not sold on Koshi's towniness, seems too tryhard which is not his usual townplay.


Yeah i could quote all their posts and say "this is bad", "this is also bad", "this is incorrect" but i don't care. If you are not willing to do the work yourself and take a look if you think i am right or not then you are lazy or scum. And that is something that definitely does not make me scum like you seem to be implying.
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