EPTTL Mafia LXIII: Time to Die - Page 367
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Holyflare
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VayneAuthority
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On December 02 2013 09:40 austinmcc wrote: Nonononono. I will stick by this 100000000%. Using NO LOGIC AT ALL puts the spotlight on you. It's scummy. It's a curious thing to do, it's in your filter, people will find it, they will call you on it. Scum DO NOT WANT TO LOOK SCUMMY. Lazy scum, active scum, scum don't want to look scummy. Oftentimes, they will try to give some kind of justification for their reads. Look at thrawn. Thrawn ATTEMPTED to give reasoning for his BC swap. He did not want to vote BC for no reason whatsoever. So he says he's concerned about the Mig thing, asks some questions. But he doesn't wait for answers, and therefore, his justification for the vote was pewp and made up. Having a pewp and made up justification is FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR worse than having no justification, because it shows you realize no justification is scummy looking, don't want to look scummy, try to find a reason, but you can't actually find a good reason. this is a contradiction considering you think me giving no reasons for things is scummy | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On December 02 2013 09:38 Holyflare wrote: YES!He quite clearly could have voted risen or thrawn and nobody would give a shit, he didn't need to even give reasons to switch to anyone and you would just fob him off as towny as you are doing to coag. He found reasons that made sense to himself and you had a case on thrawn, he doesn't need to explicitly say anything about it. But he DOES He DOES say something about it, and the thing that he says about it is focused on one thing that BC once said. It's not a good justification, imo. The same way his BC read goes from towniest vet to "let's lynch" based on one thing he found in mocsta's filter. If nothing elsem: (1) He goes from towniest vet to mafia on BC because of one thing in mocsta's filter. (2) He goes from lynch risen definitely and look at thrawn later, no read, to scummy on thrawn because of one thing in BC's filter. He makes his scumread on BC, mafia, based on a single thing in a mafia filter. HE DOES NOT USE MOCSTA'S FILTER TO READ EVERYONE ELSE IN THE GAME. He makes a read on thrawn, mafia, based on a single thing in BC's filter. HE DOES NOT USE BC'S FILTER TO READ EVERYONE ELSE IN THE GAME. He is using scum filters to make associations SOMETIMES, but only single posts, and he's never combining that with their own filters, and he's never 100% analyzing those filters to get reads on URRBODY. | ||
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Pandain
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austinmcc
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On December 02 2013 09:40 Holyflare wrote: Inherent guilt. You WANT to justify your flip flops as scum.Ok, let me take a different approach, what scum agenda is he pushing with finding posts to justify his reasoning instead of following EVERYONE ELSES logic and voting using their logic? So he calls BC towniest vet. Then things are shifting, BC looks bad. People calling out BC, townies calling out BC. He wants to change his BC read to scummy, but he needs a reason. So he grabs a single mocsta post. He has NO reasoning on thrawn. Doesn't want to look like he's limping in, just sheeping for no reasoning, because inherent guilt. So he grabs that BC post. It's not a scum agenda thing with him trying to justify his reads, it's a .... facet of how scum look at the game? They are very concerned with not doing things that are scummy, when they can help it. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On December 02 2013 09:41 VayneAuthority wrote: Yes. There is actually a reason though but it's sooper secret.this is a contradiction considering you think me giving no reasons for things is scummy | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
On December 02 2013 09:44 Pandain wrote: Vayne if you bus your scum buddy oats then no one will suspect you are scum Would rather lynch the person that did exactly what I said he would do if he's scum | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
He says he doesn't care what risens alignment is anymore after thrawn flips scum, he says a risen lynch will give A LOT of information. He bases an entire strategy on a risen lynch, he figuratively calculates that if risen is town then thrawn/risen was a town/scum vote and thus mafia are incredibly unlikely to bus and must be on the outside of a thrawn list. He lists out those people and wants to vote into them. It's self explanatory, he doesn't need to say anything else about them. | ||
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Holyflare
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Holyflare
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Grackaroni
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austinmcc
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He started out wanting to lynch risen because ? and because SS said so. And for all the stuff about risen lynch giving a lot of information, he doesn't look like he's lynching for information. He calls risen 1000000% the lynch and 100% the guy to lynch and calls him scum at times, yet keeps calculating scenarios for when he's town. He does NOT do this for others. He does NOT calculate scenarios for when Risen is scum. Just look at his big plan. Here's the reads if Risen is town, here's what we do, here's why people are scummy. If Risen is mafia.....we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. That's not a super planny plan. And MOST of his people that are scummy is Risen is town are based ENTIRELY in a single vote, and not over their play during the game, and he seems to have no idea what they've done during the game. He put all this effort into a big reads post, and NOT MUCH effort into reading those people's filters beyond a single vote. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
His plan was entirely based off of the thrawn lynch and whether it was scum/scum or town/scum. If it's scum/scum then we're at stage 1 again and thus he'd have to look into more people. If it was town/scum then scum were unlikely to bus thrawn and thus the lynches should be off the thrawn wagon. That's what I can't understand that nobody is getting at? There is more reason to say risen is town scenarios than doing more research into an if he is scum scenario. Less people to look at if he is town. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On December 02 2013 09:51 Grackaroni wrote: Not boatloads and not early for mocsta's filter. A lot of Austin's points are just not true. Cheesecake did use Mocstas filter for reads on people besides BC and he thought Thrawn was scum before the switch. And I still disagree with you on him calling thrawn scum beforehand. He doesn't call thrawn scummy for not trying to disband a risen lynch, he just asks why he's not. He does say that thrawn is calling you scum and that anyone still calling you scum is scum, but those quotes are hours apart and he's never thrawn focused, he never even points out in his post where he swaps to thrawn that thrawn would fit that bill. He calls thrawn's entry post "terrible." Not scummy. Never calls thrawn scum there. How is it terrible? Terribly written? Terrible if thrawn is a townie becuase he's coming to wrong conclusions? Calling one post terrible =/= scumread. The ONLY thing I can see him calling thrawn scum by is "thrawn says grack scum" "people who say grack scum are mafia", but those are hours apart and he never connects the dots to say "thrawn is doing this still, now i like his lynch." He never references it again. | ||
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Holyflare
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austinmcc
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On December 02 2013 09:56 Holyflare wrote: I don't really agree with this. I think you can plot either AFTER the lynch, and that there wasn't a lot of reason to expect town risen and put ANY work into figuring anything out if risen were town.Do you not understand why a if risen is town plan would be substantially bigger than an if risen is scum - we'll come to that later plan?? His plan was entirely based off of the thrawn lynch and whether it was scum/scum or town/scum. If it's scum/scum then we're at stage 1 again and thus he'd have to look into more people. If it was town/scum then scum were unlikely to bus thrawn and thus the lynches should be off the thrawn wagon. That's what I can't understand that nobody is getting at? There is more reason to say risen is town scenarios than doing more research into an if he is scum scenario. Less people to look at if he is town. Moreover, the "plan" is just lynch anyone that didn't vote thrawn. Basically. It has nothing to do with their play, their filters, their other votes, anything like that. His entire plan revolves around a single vote, and around scum never ever ever ever ever feeling like things were sliding towards thrawn too hard and they had to swap. Yes, it was an important lynch and scum didn't want thrawn lynched. But CC's entire plan is "no mafia voted thrawn, let's lynch everyone else, ggggggggggg." That's not...a lot. For all the work he put into coloring and writing that stuff out, his plan is basically "lynch anything that isn't pandain and didn't vote thrawn, no matter what happened the entire rest of the game, and I won't even read their filters to see who did what or what pandain claimed." It's a super lazy plan. It's a one-dimensional plan. I just...man I really do not like that plan or what CC has been doing. | ||
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Grackaroni
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Holyflare
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Adam4167
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Night 6 ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/GjnEYKIl.jpg) Death comes to the town once again, this time removing Mr. Cheesecake from the crowd. Mr.Cheesecake, Vanilla Townie, was lynched! Just as Death mounts his horse and is about to leave, he notices Oatsmaster. "No one is above the rules." Oatsmaster, Vanilla Townie, was modkilled for failure to vote! You have 23 hours to get all your night actions in! | ||
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Pandain
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