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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
November 24 2013 19:14 GMT
#6181
For me it's about looking at early game play as that is when people do not try to be tricky as there is no perspective on the game yet. If you go back and look at BC's early reads I am pretty confident that every single one of those reads is horseshit. I don't think he put hiro randomly on there to fuck with us. Pretty sure those are all genuinely incorrect reads. There is also discussion between thrawn and BC as you pointed out. There is some other stuff but im not going to go into too much detail at this point in the game. Suffice to say I have reasons as well for why Risen is town but not as strong.
I come in for the scraps
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
November 24 2013 19:15 GMT
#6182
Mocsta as well, did not get lynched remember. He thought he was clear sailing until he got shot. All his reads are likely genuinely bad as well.
I come in for the scraps
Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
November 24 2013 19:19 GMT
#6183
Thrawn has a lot of problems besides just being afk.

1) loved BC's retarded case against Grack and continues to think Grack is mafia. Doesn't actually look like he is evaluating new information and changing his reads.

2) It isn't just that he wasn't around but he was posting for nearly 2 solid days in his other game while completely ignoring this one. Then he comes back says something about how he wasn't scummy enough and insinuates it was part of some plan, he also told me it was "special tactics" along with disinterest. But then comes in today and blames it on the state of the game demotivating him. Makes 0 mention of his special tactics or plan.

Thrawn's story doesn't add up and just seems like some made up bs. Can you show me what exactly makes you think Thrawn is town?
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
November 24 2013 19:21 GMT
#6184
I'm not bothering to look at what makes sense anymore because there is at least 6-7 players who make zero sense in their actions/reads. That isn't a scumtell when only the shit is left. Remember that we are now only playing with what are the "weakest" players
I come in for the scraps
Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
November 24 2013 19:21 GMT
#6185
On November 25 2013 04:14 VayneAuthority wrote:
For me it's about looking at early game play as that is when people do not try to be tricky as there is no perspective on the game yet. If you go back and look at BC's early reads I am pretty confident that every single one of those reads is horseshit. I don't think he put hiro randomly on there to fuck with us. Pretty sure those are all genuinely incorrect reads. There is also discussion between thrawn and BC as you pointed out. There is some other stuff but im not going to go into too much detail at this point in the game. Suffice to say I have reasons as well for why Risen is town but not as strong.


So what we should just assume everyone BC mention is automatically town? BC even gave himself an out on the hiro thing, said if he came back and was active he wouldn't be suspicious. This seems like pretty faulty reasoning.

Why do you think Risen is town?
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
November 24 2013 19:22 GMT
#6186
Vayne that is a major cop out. There are some things that we are uncertain of of course (looking at you slam). But most things in the game now with this much information make perfect sense.
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
November 24 2013 19:23 GMT
#6187
you aren't going to be convinced by my style of play just like most people here so it's fruitless, I can already tell. I'm just going to wait until lynch.
I come in for the scraps
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 24 2013 19:31 GMT
#6188
On November 25 2013 04:23 VayneAuthority wrote:
you aren't going to be convinced by my style of play just like most people here so it's fruitless, I can already tell. I'm just going to wait until lynch.


I like you.... but I have to agree with mig about thrawn, he is way too inconsistent. He called BC's really shitty post on lurkers that was aggressive "good post" and was buddying up to him all throughout the days. God damn do I actually have to make a case on this?
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 24 2013 19:32 GMT
#6189
1. EXTREMELY carefree style
+ Show Spoiler +

On November 17 2013 10:20 thrawn2112 wrote:
sup

HEY KOSHI <3

On November 17 2013 10:46 thrawn2112 wrote:
@ all town people i've shared intimate mafia experiences with

tell me if you're town

On November 17 2013 10:57 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 10:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why would you tell your mason is masoned by someone? That kinda outs his role to the other guy..


hey why haven't you said hi to me yet?

On November 17 2013 10:59 thrawn2112 wrote:
no I think not.. what's up?

On November 18 2013 12:42 thrawn2112 wrote:
OATS and KOSHI i'd like to have a chat with each of you




2. Did pushes on two people
+ Show Spoiler +

Austin
Asked him questions and then later followed it up. Now think's he is town but at least he did that.
Me
Why he thought I was scum, so his logic for me being scum came about specific reasons that arose in thread and he stuck with it. Makes sense.


3. Kept asking questions to everyone. I know that this can be a scummy thing, but his questions seemed genuine to me.


So if someone does pushes, good questions, and is carefree I'm more likely to think they are town then scum. I agree that his day 3 is suspicious, but that's it. I suppose there's not much good arguing about it because it's just interpetation.

I'll note that he still masoned me despite me telling him to mason you because you're probably better at determining his alignment, but even that could be explained by him trying to get a better read on me or thinkimg im more able to be convinced.

I have to go to a sign-up thing for class but I'll be back in like 20
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 24 2013 19:35 GMT
#6190
1)Carefree style does not indicate alignment, in fact it is more likely to come from scum because they don't want to serious mode into the game by reading it because that is a lot of effort.

2) Push on austin and push on you? That's great, 2 people that were already thought to be scum.

3)Questions, questions? Where are his answers?

All of those 3 points prove anything BUT him being towny.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 24 2013 19:37 GMT
#6191
Like, he doesn't push BC at all and then suddenly it's his top scum read... because he definitely voted him. That is not what a towny does that is what scum wanting free credit do.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 24 2013 19:43 GMT
#6192
Then there's everyone that was on rayn:


raynpelikoneet (6): Alakaslam, Koshi, Mr Cheesecake, Pandain, Koshi, Pandain, Alakaslam, Risen, austinmcc


Mr.cc, koshi, pandain, slam, risen, austin

Why would you ever vote rayn!? I seriously think we should be voting into these people too. Or at least generate more discussion around them.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 24 2013 19:48 GMT
#6193
but bla bla, I was confident about risen yesterday and nothing has changed about him anyway as he's most definitely dropped off the face of the earth even though he isn't dead yet -.-

##Vote: Risen
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
November 24 2013 19:51 GMT
#6194
that's pretty much the only reason im willing to lynch into risen. 1 less person the rayn list.
I come in for the scraps
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9857 Posts
November 24 2013 19:55 GMT
#6195
Risen just wants to WIFOM us out of lynching him lol. He's hoping someone will say at the last second "scum would never just martyr themselves if they are going to lose kp right?" He throws out these reads of scum being within me/vayne/Mig, tells us to lynch him so that we can trust his reads, and then gives absolutely no reasoning to help town lynch the mafia he doesn't think will get lynched.

##Vote: Risen
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
November 24 2013 20:02 GMT
#6196
People saying lynch me b/c I was on rayn are advocating lynching people who attempt to save themselves knowing they're town. This is a bad justification for voting me and is telling about how they want to look clean after I flip town. I would lynch Koshi (because of his play today. There's no way he just goes lol ss town I'm totes sheeping his reads straight down the list) and then Mr.CC/Alakaslam/austin or Pandain in that order if you want to move into people who were on rayn once I'm gone.

Equally people who are simply sheeping ss are suspect. OMG a flipped townie had scum reads we must follow them to the letter has never, EVER been advised on TL. Besides, if we're going to go with super's TOP scum read that title belongs to Oats, so you're just plain wrong.

Regardless, I still need to be lynched today. I'll field as many questions before I go as possible. We still have a little over a day so plenty of time to pick through people's justifications for voting me. Those are my observations thus far. There is no case on me afaik, so people saying the case against me is strong are being odd.

Finally, stop with the martyr posts. Saying martyr over and over does not make this a martyr. I recognize that my being alive is an obstacle that town must overcome or scum are going to use this to confuse conversation the rest of the game. Martyring would be "omg I suck just lynch me plz ugh". That's not what I'm doing. What I'm doing is very logical and calculated. I mean just look at all the horrible reasons people are having to come up with to vote for me. VA has town reads on both Thrawn and I and is voting for me what? Why not vote for your top scum read, I'm still the clear front runner to be lynched. Why not voice who your top scum read is at the very least if you want to hold your vote on me to stay in line with my reasoning for the day?
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 24 2013 20:04 GMT
#6197
Can you please explain why I am scum.
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
November 24 2013 20:05 GMT
#6198
On November 25 2013 04:55 Grackaroni wrote:
Risen just wants to WIFOM us out of lynching him lol. He's hoping someone will say at the last second "scum would never just martyr themselves if they are going to lose kp right?" He throws out these reads of scum being within me/vayne/Mig, tells us to lynch him so that we can trust his reads, and then gives absolutely no reasoning to help town lynch the mafia he doesn't think will get lynched.

##Vote: Risen

This is a pro-town vote post. This is what people should be doing. Look very closely at the people who don't give proper justification and are trying to leave themselves open.

Grack says
"Risen trying to WIFOM bomb us" could be very true and is the reason I need to be lynched. Clears both the BC WIFOM bomb and any potential shenans I could be doing.
"Risen is trying to make a big play here" my past plays are in line with this. This point is supported by meta without Grack saying omg look at Risen's past play metametameta.
"No justification for reads" fair enough.

I wish this post had actually included reasons my play was anti-town and pro-scum, but this is what people should be doing. Those who have not are suspect and need to be looked into.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
November 24 2013 20:08 GMT
#6199
On November 25 2013 05:04 Pandain wrote:
Can you please explain why I am scum.

I'm not satisfied by the logs fiasco outcome. I don't care that you "totally wanted to hide your vet status". You called a player you didn't knows alignment a liar openly in thread. You openly said "this player altered the logs" and that could very easily get someone lynched. This is followed by the SS kill at night. This removes the other half of the duo and almost "confirms you town" for 0 reason. How does that confirm you town in any way at all? You know what I fucking hate? All these people running around saying "I'm totally confirmed town because scum would never do this lololol". That's the reason scum would do it. Then there's your interactions with people earlier before that were giving me tingly feelings I didn't like. No specific example.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
November 24 2013 20:13 GMT
#6200
EBWOP: It should be noted you aren't exactly a top scum read for me anymore Pandain. That's just my thinking in how you COULD BE scum this game.

If I had to kill 4 people right now I would kill Onegu, Koshi, Oats, Thrawn
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
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