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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 24 2013 22:06 GMT
#6221
because currently, in fact, i think it's only me and va who WANT to discuss the rayn candidates because everyone else seems to be trying to get us off those people. That is the scummy thing to do IMO.
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 24 2013 22:07 GMT
#6222
On November 25 2013 07:02 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2013 06:57 Alakaslam wrote:
Yet this hardening to Rayne all the time is scummy too and I hate being suckered into it. Just let it be known that VA and HF are apparently basing their reads on a mislynch!

And that actually doesn't mean they are scum. Let it be determined later. For today the lynch is essentially set on Risen, for better or worse.


You talk about scum being the ones to misconstrue but you just did the same thing in this post. Risen is on the rayn lynch but we have reasons as to why we are on him other than that, heck he was my vote yesterday. We are trying to discuss the people on the lynch too not outright kill them. Where is your input other than "oh scum would like to do that"?

Where in that post was it unclear, and how could I have made it clearer, that I said all of your upcoming reads appear to be based on that?

Because, I am now suspicious you aren't even doing what I think you are saying you are doing.

Clarify also: you want to lynch everyone who voted Rayne, yes?
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 24 2013 22:08 GMT
#6223
On November 25 2013 07:06 Holyflare wrote:
because currently, in fact, i think it's only me and va who WANT to discuss the rayn candidates because everyone else seems to be trying to get us off those people. That is the scummy thing to do IMO.

What would be the townie way of discouraging error?
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 24 2013 22:09 GMT
#6224
No...? I want to DISCUSS the people who were on the rayn wagon that doesn't mean other discussion can't occur.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 24 2013 22:11 GMT
#6225
On November 25 2013 07:08 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2013 07:06 Holyflare wrote:
because currently, in fact, i think it's only me and va who WANT to discuss the rayn candidates because everyone else seems to be trying to get us off those people. That is the scummy thing to do IMO.

What would be the townie way of discouraging error?


Actively providing conversation, discussing their motives for lynching rayn, providing information on other people on the rayn wagon on why they are/aren't scummy. Playing the actual game, giving us direction other than "lynch ss targets", you know, game solving tactics?
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 24 2013 22:12 GMT
#6226
hey how bout everyone vote vayne

the guy who has a scumread on austin that he refuses to talk about

the guy who after refusing to talk about his scumread, votes his town read
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 24 2013 22:14 GMT
#6227
On November 25 2013 07:09 Holyflare wrote:
No...? I want to DISCUSS the people who were on the rayn wagon that doesn't mean other discussion can't occur.

FAUGH

see I have been arguing with a straw man.

Of course I'm willing to discuss others there, I just don't think all of them could have even possibly been.

I.E. I thought you were saying what you were not actually saying. So I agree with you (not strongly but I do) and have been fighting you.

However the reason is not "how could anyone see him as scum" because so did super soft, a little. But it is; "that was a mislynch, likely one of the people voting is scum if not more" then you are narrowing your reads based on a mislynch- correct play.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 24 2013 22:15 GMT
#6228
On November 25 2013 07:11 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2013 07:08 Alakaslam wrote:
On November 25 2013 07:06 Holyflare wrote:
because currently, in fact, i think it's only me and va who WANT to discuss the rayn candidates because everyone else seems to be trying to get us off those people. That is the scummy thing to do IMO.

What would be the townie way of discouraging error?


Actively providing conversation, discussing their motives for lynching rayn, providing information on other people on the rayn wagon on why they are/aren't scummy. Playing the actual game, giving us direction other than "lynch ss targets", you know, game solving tactics?

Which I think would have happened back when Rayne was alive if he had been more open. Beware of narrow, or hostile language! It quickly creates more fighting.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
November 24 2013 22:26 GMT
#6229
I voted Rayn because sheepong koshi. I also dont try to read rayn, just kill him
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 24 2013 22:59 GMT
#6230
On November 23 2013 08:56 thrawn2112 wrote:
goddammit lol i'm not nearly scummy enough... plan failed

AUUUSTINNNN you're like confm town to me wtf should I do? I don't want to vote Risen because since I've come back he's been posting nearly the entire time uninterrupted and has made sense throughout all of it. It looks completely unlike what a scum player would be able to do in the last few hours leading up to his lynch.


So can you explain the first sentence, Thrawn?
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 24 2013 23:05 GMT
#6231
It's this thing I sometimes try to do in games... go read the game where I claimed miller in a setup with non-self aware millers, or the game where I figured out keirathi was scum because I went afk during D1 and saw that he was calling me scum for the sole reason of my being afk. It's a lot easier for me to analyze people's scum reads when they are scum reading me, and I do not mind the pressure of looking scummy.

yeah it's probably irresponsible.. but it's never actually caused any harm and it often helps my reads
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-24 23:08:04
November 24 2013 23:07 GMT
#6232
Vote Count:


Risen (9): Mr. Cheesecake, VayneAuthority, Pandain, Risen, Koshi, Mig, Holyflare, Graclaroni, Alakaslam

thrawn2112 (1): austinmcc, Holyflare

Pandain (1): Hopeless1der

VayneAuthority (1): thrawn2112


not voting (4): Onegu, Coagulation, LoneMeow, Oatsmaster


Deadline is in . Voting is mandatory.

Currently
Risen ist set to be lynched! If you see a vote out of place please inform me or someone else on the hosting team so that we can correct it.

"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
November 24 2013 23:27 GMT
#6233
1) at the end of the day I will post actual cases on my top reads. Doing so sooner means you guys might move off of me.

2) the question you need to ask yourself mig, since you seem to have a hard time with this, is does town risen have that big an ego? The answer is yes. That's what scum risen would say, too, though. I thought people last game were wrong saying risen only gets away with this kind of thing because he's so bad but now I think they're right lol. I thought I did a really good job establishing myself as town the first couple days. Clearly, I did not.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
November 24 2013 23:27 GMT
#6234
^ now THAT is how you martyr post.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 24 2013 23:28 GMT
#6235
On November 25 2013 08:27 Risen wrote:
1) at the end of the day I will post actual cases on my top reads. Doing so sooner means you guys might move off of me.

2) the question you need to ask yourself mig, since you seem to have a hard time with this, is does town risen have that big an ego? The answer is yes. That's what scum risen would say, too, though. I thought people last game were wrong saying risen only gets away with this kind of thing because he's so bad but now I think they're right lol. I thought I did a really good job establishing myself as town the first couple days. Clearly, I did not.


Isn't that a good thing if you're town?

You do know that if we lynch scum, they lose a kp right. This lynch is pretty important.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 24 2013 23:33 GMT
#6236
For a "pretty important" lynch you (and a lot of people) are quite content to slap a vote on Risen and then nope the fuck out of the thread.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 24 2013 23:34 GMT
#6237
Post at end of day - cause confusion - mislynch
Post now - discussions - right lynch


You are town and post at end of day - cause confusion - mislynch you/another towny = 2 nightkills = 3 town deaths
You are town and post now - discussion - avoid possible mislynch = 1 night kill = 1 town death
You are scum and post now - discussion - you die = 1 night kill = 1 town death
You are scum and post later - cause confusion - possible mislynch = 2 night kills = 3 town deaths


How is your option choice the one that = post later, that is the worst scenario.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 24 2013 23:34 GMT
#6238
On November 25 2013 08:33 Hopeless1der wrote:
For a "pretty important" lynch you (and a lot of people) are quite content to slap a vote on Risen and then nope the fuck out of the thread.


So where are your reads to "save" risen then, angry man?
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 24 2013 23:37 GMT
#6239
On November 25 2013 08:33 Hopeless1der wrote:
For a "pretty important" lynch you (and a lot of people) are quite content to slap a vote on Risen and then nope the fuck out of the thread.


Did you see my response to your accusations?

And I've been way more active this lynch then anytime really. And I'm super active in mason chats atm.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 24 2013 23:39 GMT
#6240
I did see your response but I'm still on my phone.

I'll get around to tunnelling you don't worry. Right after I figure out how to save risen.
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