It is because they have no choice if mafia KP is lowered to 1 he will be almost unkillable and super was finally on the right track. They left him alive before because he loved BC so they could use him to hopefully save BC.

super blocked Oats again lol. Not my first choice but oh well.

VayneAuthority

United States8983 Posts

November 24 2013 16:11 GMT

#6142

Oats, really? my fucking god.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

November 24 2013 16:12 GMT

#6143

Right Vayne you just said it. Super's reads were off all game so they left him alive. Now they killed him don't think that indicates his reads were probably more on line?

VayneAuthority

United States8983 Posts

November 24 2013 16:12 GMT

#6144

even if oats is scum why they would send one of his top reads to go perform the kill lmfao.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

November 24 2013 16:12 GMT

#6145

ebwop: don't you think that indicates his reads were probably more on line

VayneAuthority

United States8983 Posts

November 24 2013 16:13 GMT

#6146

That remains to be seen Mig. If i was mafia in that situation I kill supersoft 100% before roleblocker becomes a huge problem. There was NO other choice regardless of who the person was or how bad/good they are playing. ignore supersoft completely in this situation and realize you kill the guy no matter what here

Mig

United States4714 Posts

November 24 2013 16:15 GMT

#6147

Well agree to disagree I suppose. I think supersoft is incredibly hard headed if his reads were bad I think mafia kill 2 townies and let him push the mislynch. Also if super in his super way pushed a mislynch super hard and I was dead and not there to defend him I think mafia could potentially build more suspicion on super.

If supers reads are wrong they dont give a fuck that he is a rber because he is going to be rbing townies.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

November 24 2013 16:16 GMT

#6148

And anyway the cases against thrawn/risen are super strong as it is. Supersofts death just makes it even stronger.

VayneAuthority

United States8983 Posts

November 24 2013 16:16 GMT

#6149

Besides potentially thrawn/onegu/LM I really dislike his list at any rate. Austin isn't even on it. That whole group of people trying to soft push me atm are scummy as fuck.

VayneAuthority

United States8983 Posts

November 24 2013 16:18 GMT

#6150

If I'm correct then in a world where alakaslam is town and maybe like 1 other person that doesn't play to win comes in and votes with the mafia and boom im dead just like rayn was and nobody thinks to even look at the people who voted him. The anti-town players are getting abused hard in this game, that im sure of.

VayneAuthority

United States8983 Posts

November 24 2013 16:19 GMT

#6151

anti-town town players*

Holyflare

United Kingdom30774 Posts

November 24 2013 16:26 GMT

#6152

It's simple, SS was a rber and mason and pardoner and basically a vet. There is no way they could leave him in when most probably we are on the right track on who to lynch. That doesn't mean his reads are right or wrong it's just there's a definite risk in leaving him alive. Look how many blues have died so far, their strategy was clearly blue sniping and the majority of people left are only VT's and 2 vets.

I don't think I need to make a case on thrawn do I? It should be pretty obvious from his vote alone that he is scum. As for risen, he is also a liability like he said. What I argued with risen about yesterday was also pretty self confirming. He attacked me for telling the truth. I would much rather kill thrawn over risen first though because I feel very sure about him compared to risen.

Holyflare

United Kingdom30774 Posts

November 24 2013 16:27 GMT

#6153

Rayn lynch was definitely very suspicious though. His vote jumping aside, he filter was huge even when in 2 games and his day 2 was pretty much town rayn play, like everyone was saying. How did people manage to get him up there??

VayneAuthority

United States8983 Posts

November 24 2013 16:33 GMT

#6154

you need look no farther then the 6 people on rayn, all of which are very scummy. If we take off risen (who is trying to save himself at any rate, hard to discern motive there) and alakaslam ( who is not trying to win clearly, but is possibly scum) then we are left with mr.cc, pandain, koshi, and austin. I don't see why there isn't at least 2 scum on this list. You would have to be either not following the game at all or scum to vote for him there

Mig

United States4714 Posts

November 24 2013 16:43 GMT

#6155

Look at Risen's posts right before lynch, this is insanely obvious people.

On November 23 2013 09:30 Risen wrote:

Yeah I can dig it. Really digging that post by BC, too. Last minute shenans onto Oats from BC go?

##unvote: raynpelikoneet
##vote: Oatsmaster

Deal with rayn tomorrow. That martyr post is godawful especially with Pandain above him. I really want one of ss/panda and oats flipping today. Last second train lets do this people.

Last minute attempt to save his buddy BC.

On November 23 2013 09:57 Risen wrote:
Oh BC please be town. PLEASE BE TOWN DOUBLE TOWN LYNCH LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

On November 23 2013 09:59 Risen wrote:
AUSTIN LAST SECOND VOTE ON RAYN THAT DOESNT MATTER SCUMMY AS FUCK

On November 23 2013 10:00 Risen wrote:
NOOOOOO FUCK YOU GUYS THE DOUBLE TOWN LYNCH OF JUSTICE

Risen freaks out tries to play the bitter townie, can't believe you guys are lynching me I hope BC is town also blah blah blah. But then the next day he starts talking about how poorly he has played and martyrs himself asking the town to kill him. These 2 things do not go together. You are not the bitter townie rooting for town to mislynch and also a fucking martyr who thinks they have played poorly. Risen is a crockpot full of shit.

And if that were not enough immediately after lynch what does he try to do?

On November 23 2013 10:51 Risen wrote:
The circlejerk going on in this thread right now is strong. Too much scum touching between mig, VA, Grack. How do I know there's scum amongst these folks? Because they're not afraid of giving out their fucking town reads at NIGHT

On November 23 2013 11:44 Risen wrote:
Your lack of understanding surrounding the BC last second swap or even consideration of the shenans means to me you are pushing an agenda. So yeah, I think you're scum.

Oh try to cast more suspicion on me and grack. Genius!

Risen is 99% scum. There is just no way he is town. Murder him.

Pandain

United States12987 Posts

November 24 2013 16:46 GMT

#6156

Also I might understand saying it originally like oh just vig me, but usually when you wake up the next morning you don't have that feeling of despair anymore. Less important tho

Mig

United States4714 Posts

November 24 2013 16:49 GMT

#6157

Regarding Austin/pandain I am inclined to believe they are both Vets. It just makes sense in this setup

1) our detective roles are incredibly weak this game. We have no dts no watchers and only 2 trackers and trackers are super weak in this setup. We have noisy neighbors/town and mafia rber/assassins/town and mafia doc. Trackers won't be that much help so to make up for it we will need stronger kp/protective roles.

2) Our kp roles make sense we have 2 2 shot vigs and possibly a hatter, but to counter that mafia has their own 2 shot vig and a mafia doc. So we have to have some protective roles right?

3) Right now it looks like we only have 1 doc (could be another alive but this still makes sense either way). Considering there is so much kp (mafia has 3 + 2shot vig) + potential assassin kp + the fact that townies shoot each other a lot. Having a couple vets makes perfect sense. Vets also make more sense in setups that have assassins. Townies can easily shoot the vets/assassins and not know whether they are actual vets or assassins.

So yea in this setup 2 vets really makes perfect sense. And even if you don't believe all this about setup the fact still remains that mislynching a vet is basically like mislynching 2 townies. So put austin/pandain on the back burners for awhile. I am not going to say they are guaranteed town because of their claims but it is incredibly costly for town to mislynch them.

VayneAuthority

United States8983 Posts

November 24 2013 16:53 GMT

#6158

that's incredibly biased if you want to play the role game with me. It is obvious im the mad hatter yet austin is pushing me incessantly. if you can explain why he is not playing pro-town then im all ears. He just last second voted together with BC to kill rayn.

Oatsmaster

United States16628 Posts

November 24 2013 16:57 GMT

#6159

On November 25 2013 00:38 Holyflare wrote:

Show nested quote +

I mean people have meh reasoning for him. The reasoning for thrawn is air tight that he's scum. I'd rather lynch of sure scum than possible scum, wouldn't you? 1kp is nice

what is the reasoning for thrawn?

Mig

United States4714 Posts

November 24 2013 16:57 GMT

#6160

Unfortunately townies play bad also. I think Austin has done some dumb dumb things but he did push BC hard yesterday. When BC was making his last second push to looks townie and be saved, austin was undermining it and still arguing with him 5 min before the lynch! If mafias plan was to try and save BC right at the end (which it obviously was), don't think they normally have austin there fighting him.

Does this guarantee austin is town? No but the fact still remains you don't want to mislynch a Vet unless it is really obvious they are mafia and you don't have better options.