EPTTL Mafia LXIII: Time to Die - Page 3
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On November 15 2013 21:59 supersoft wrote: btw. Artanis, i thought about our little conversation. I don't buy it, that you think i am a dick and you'd /outed that game if you'd seen that i am /in. This story is weak covering attempt for your scummy statement, that you're completely happy lynching me, even though, you think I am 0 (obviously you know that I am town, since you're scum, so your statements make even more sense.) This is beyond childish and I can't see any logical thought path behind what you are saying. He calls you a dick and said he would lynch you for it, it's clearly policy, being an active dick in the thread isn't helping anyone. A scum artanis could just ignore you because you shit up the thread and get people edgy, what benefit is there to calling you out on it? A town player on the other hand can most definitely say what he has been saying. | ||
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I'm sorry, what, the past few pages have been literal reitterations of what I've already stated, how is this anything new?? I get if you agree with what I've said Here for reference: + Show Spoiler + On November 15 2013 12:05 Holyflare wrote: fml I had to write this out twice because I had so many tabs open ~_~ @ rayn's post earlier: Here You claim that my case was in fact bad but then you agree with everything that I had specifically laid out within it, what gives? Did you just not read it? Clearly there were no good reads at that present time and for a mayor to be established reads must be thrown around, which is exactly what I was saying. Your choice of mayor is based entirely off if you agree with their reads? Why? You also debase the entirety of it because of the one line that said if "I failed to lynch my top scum readS". The plurality in reads assumes that one would live past day 1 and be able to use their double voting power as you cannot lynch multiple reads on day 1. There is also: You were scum partners with risen in heavyweight. You know he is crazy and will literally do anything or write anything to win. How can you be so quick to have a town read on him based off of a post? He has won world champs and also has the "best mafia play" award or whatever. To quite openly say you will not read him for the rest of day 1 is making me apprehensive to say the least. ____________________________________________________________________________ @rest of the town Also some other things that struck me as odd; Hopeless' start to the game: I've played one game with this guy and in that game (he was town) at the very start he was trying to contribute to current conversations and get things talking. This games start has been very lackluster from him. After asking VE about his past mayor games VE responds that he has been mayor once and he died night 1. By no means are they solid credentials in any terms. His contributions were just useless "won't vote for kush" posts. He then drops his mayor vote onto VE after hearing about his 1 game experience and leaves the thread. _____________________________________________________________________________________ I'm actually leaning a bit more suspiciously towards rayn right now; however I thought it was interesting to see these 2 posts just as I refreshed. + Show Spoiler + On November 15 2013 11:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: You get modkilled for not voting. :p What's wrongwith Oats this game? He's like a bit more dick than usually. On November 15 2013 11:55 Mocsta wrote: Oats baby. Read my case again I gave one of stores first posts from Hogwarts. A similar sized game. He came out guns blazing. The analysis was wrong. But more importantly it was there, unlike this game. Oats, shy are you so prickly this game. Normally you are obnoxious, but tidY you feel venomous. Why so angry? P.s. I'm more referring to your interactions with V.E Obviously no associative tells between unflipped players yada yada but I find it "psychologically intriguing" when people bring up similarities like that. Obviously if you are scum, the posts that stick out to you the most are your scum partners and so you can subconsciously repeat them etc. However, this is a lackluster point to say the least just something I'd thought I'd note. but to copy it and make it look like your own thoughts and then ask people for their ideas on it is kind of a pain in the arse, at least give credit where credit is due | ||
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On November 15 2013 23:02 yamato77 wrote: Like BC perhaps Everyone is ignoring the fact he hasn't said shit all in actuality Wanna see him hang tbh He has arguably said more than the majority of lurkers in this thread, though most of it has been accusatory and aggressive with no real conviction. | ||
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On November 15 2013 23:15 LoneMeow wrote: Because I got the impression that he's pretty solid player when he's town from LXII, so I want to know if he's town in this one, and I think I stand a better chance outside the thread. Here's where I took a step back. You've only seen yamato be town, so therefore you only know his town play. Yet you have played other games with other people in this thread where you have seen them be both town and scum. So, why would you theoretically mason the person that you only know town traits for from one game over the others that you know both traits? This, coupled with the fact that pre-game yamato stated that his meta would be completely different from that game here: On November 15 2013 03:21 yamato77 wrote: As either alignment, I'm going to play this exactly how I played the champs game. I will read the thread in one sitting, make a post detailing my response to things happening in the thread, and perhaps interact with the thread on a limited basis focusing on talking to players I think are town and/or making specific cases against people I want to lynch. On D1, I'll spend the entire day voting for myself as either alignment and doing my best to influence the lynch on whoever I want, which I don't expect to have much success doing. Basically, I'm perfecting a style that I think I can replicate as mafia easily and one that I can also use on a limited schedule like I have now. I need to drastically improve my play as scum anyway before the final champs game so I don't have to roll town to be useful. If you all start voting me because this is different "meta" like you did in the thug life game, I'll probably just stop playing here and test run it on a different mafia site or two. makes me think twice before this actual decision. It is quite possible, as koshi says that a scum team could have told him who the towniest person in the thread was and he could have followed that. I was scum with him last game and the exact same thing happened, he got a power that needed to be used and asked in the QT who to use it on without posting in the thread so much. While there have been points in his favour that people have brought up, I don't think they are alignment indicative at all and I heavily question Yamato's position on bringing it up in the thread like that. He could have waited for comments in their mason chat or actual things happening in the game before revealing but now that point has become moot it leaves any and all posts to be wild speculation at best, removing any form of intel that could have been gathered. | ||
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On November 15 2013 23:30 Sharrant wrote: __________________________ @VE I still want to know what you actually meant with your post on Hiro. If you answered it somewhere, I didn't see it (and I'd appreciate it if you could point it out), but you've referenced me several times and not clarified it. Getting annoying. __________________________ + Show Spoiler + On November 15 2013 12:38 Holyflare wrote: @VE you talked about how hiro has a similar mindset to prplhz here: + Show Spoiler + On November 15 2013 09:14 VisceraEyes wrote: Ewwww...aww hiro why? WHY?! You remember prplhz right? Dude. Policy-lynch is my scum-tell for him. AND YOU GUYS PLAY WITH A SIMILAR MINDSET!!! I THINK I WANT TO LYNCH HIRO PROTAGONIST!!!! How certain were you of this point or was it just a jokey remark? I ask this because after you had already criticised him of this he still continued posting more policy lynching, just in a different light, re:pardoner lynching. his reply was: + Show Spoiler + On November 15 2013 12:41 VisceraEyes wrote: It was a srs but not srs kind of thing. I do think he and prplhz play similarly and think about the game in a similar way. However no, I'd never base a lynch solely on this. It was tongue in cheek because I was saying I wanted to lynch Hiro for suggest a policy lynch - as policy. My humor is really dry, sorry guys.  | ||
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On November 16 2013 00:05 Onegu wrote: Oh and slam is town, unless while he was gone he was playing on another site. I dont see a scum slam comeing in here and being all legible and open like he is. Second I dont like grack and his defense of storrzerg. First storrzerg doesnt need it and the way grack is doing it saying he is just out of newbie games is giving off warning bells to me. I do not think slams change in style of posting is definitive of alignment at all. He said he wanted to make a change in style and is doing so. That being said, I do agree that he has an air of townieness in him compared to other games. He's said he wants to prove to us that he is town and I await more input from him on that matter. __________________________________________________________ Grack, I'm not sure about. He played carefree in hogwarts and this game HAS been overly defensive of people that he hadn't needed to be defensive on, i.e, storrzerg and mattchew. and very quick to follow suit with pandain's reads. He has also given out reads with no real back up on them (something that people seem to like doing in this game........), for example: On November 15 2013 13:03 Grackaroni wrote: Oatsmaster is probably town. yamato is likely too if he continues on the path that he has been going so far. On November 15 2013 15:10 Grackaroni wrote: I don't have any strong scum reads. Maybe Mocsta is scum. On November 15 2013 15:23 Grackaroni wrote: Vayne is town. He had some quality insights. He then goes on to say: On November 15 2013 15:13 Grackaroni wrote: In fact, this whole game has been pretty strange with people throwing out random town reads. This grack seems a lot different from the last one that I played with, perhaps more defensive? I think would be the best way to put it. Not just of himself but of others too. __________________________________________________________ Furthermore, in regards to rayn, what I said in hogwarts about him being a dog with a bone was true. Here is my post for reference: + Show Spoiler + On October 26 2013 08:21 Holyflare wrote: The case on rayn I made actually just ended up being proof he was town too. The rayn I played with when scum was a dog with a bone, however, that bone was actually a retard stick and he wouldn't let go of it. He wqs aggressive on really really minor points and couldn't coherently come up with proper reasoning for scum motives. This rayn is different, he's still a dog with a bone but it's a bone that is made of logic and reasoning. Yes, at the start koshi picked up on skan for nothing but that is koshi, i don't understand that guy, ever. Rayn has been pushing people and falling off when it seems like something makes sense, he's pressured grack A LOT and helpfully that made grack post more and we could get a read on him. That is why I think the gryffindor check must have been tampered with. If jat is vigi, which he must be then there is no other choice. rayn has been throwing out reads left right and center and when something sticks he attacks it, however, what I have seen afterwards has been what I assume to be reconsiderations or a thought process emerging, something that I can see town rayn doing rather than scum. His stances on people that I think are scummy has put him off my lynch target for today. That being said, I still want him to elaborate on the reads that he gives that have no backup. | ||
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On November 16 2013 00:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also your meta on me is total bullshit and based on one phase where i was not able to play. It's based on every game that I have read up on you | ||
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On November 15 2013 23:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: Waiting for Storrzerg's answer to Mocsta.
That's it pretty much from the people who have posted. Still not sold on Koshi's towniness, seems too tryhard which is not his usual townplay. | ||
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I like that you question it though because if you were scummy you would just blindly accept somebody calling you town as a free read. ______________________________ Yamato, like I said before, all his points are aggressive with no actual content so far. I did read some of his previous games and there is a LITTLE bit more structure in his town games but he seems to be a less active poster in there as well and so I can't really develop anything based off of what you are saying. I agree it is pitiful content so far but is it the most lynch worthy we have? There are several other people in the exact same situations as him. Either way, I like what you said about scum only having 1 or 2 vets at most on their team, this is most probably true and if nothing comes to more fruition I could get behind this BC lynch. Yet, I would still like to hear him defend himself/add more before we get to that point. | ||
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On November 16 2013 00:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah i could quote all their posts and say "this is bad", "this is also bad", "this is incorrect" but i don't care. If you are not willing to do the work yourself and take a look if you think i am right or not then you are lazy or scum. And that is something that definitely does not make me scum like you seem to be implying. Huh? I'm implying that you are town........?? | ||
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On November 16 2013 00:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: You were implying i was scum earlier. I don't even know why because you never really told me. I made a whole post on you, it's not my fault if you haven't read it. About 3 people have copied it since then so it's no excuse. You disregarded risen after 1 post and called him town for NO reason (you have rectified this since then) and called my post bad (lol) because you misread what I intended. You jumped over me on a campaign that was better than the other campaigns currently put out which seemed irrational and scum raynish but you have backed off since then and started to develop other reads etc. | ||
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On November 15 2013 10:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay ignoring Risen for the rest of D1. To which I made a case because what you said was utter shite here: + Show Spoiler + On November 15 2013 12:05 Holyflare wrote: fml I had to write this out twice because I had so many tabs open ~_~ @ rayn's post earlier: Here You claim that my case was in fact bad but then you agree with everything that I had specifically laid out within it, what gives? Did you just not read it? Clearly there were no good reads at that present time and for a mayor to be established reads must be thrown around, which is exactly what I was saying. Your choice of mayor is based entirely off if you agree with their reads? Why? You also debase the entirety of it because of the one line that said if "I failed to lynch my top scum readS". The plurality in reads assumes that one would live past day 1 and be able to use their double voting power as you cannot lynch multiple reads on day 1. There is also: You were scum partners with risen in heavyweight. You know he is crazy and will literally do anything or write anything to win. How can you be so quick to have a town read on him based off of a post? He has won world champs and also has the "best mafia play" award or whatever. To quite openly say you will not read him for the rest of day 1 is making me apprehensive to say the least. ____________________________________________________________________________ @rest of the town Also some other things that struck me as odd; Hopeless' start to the game: I've played one game with this guy and in that game (he was town) at the very start he was trying to contribute to current conversations and get things talking. This games start has been very lackluster from him. After asking VE about his past mayor games VE responds that he has been mayor once and he died night 1. By no means are they solid credentials in any terms. His contributions were just useless "won't vote for kush" posts. He then drops his mayor vote onto VE after hearing about his 1 game experience and leaves the thread. _____________________________________________________________________________________ I'm actually leaning a bit more suspiciously towards rayn right now; however I thought it was interesting to see these 2 posts just as I refreshed. + Show Spoiler + On November 15 2013 11:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: You get modkilled for not voting. :p What's wrongwith Oats this game? He's like a bit more dick than usually. On November 15 2013 11:55 Mocsta wrote: Oats baby. Read my case again I gave one of stores first posts from Hogwarts. A similar sized game. He came out guns blazing. The analysis was wrong. But more importantly it was there, unlike this game. Oats, shy are you so prickly this game. Normally you are obnoxious, but tidY you feel venomous. Why so angry? P.s. I'm more referring to your interactions with V.E Obviously no associative tells between unflipped players yada yada but I find it "psychologically intriguing" when people bring up similarities like that. Obviously if you are scum, the posts that stick out to you the most are your scum partners and so you can subconsciously repeat them etc. However, this is a lackluster point to say the least just something I'd thought I'd note. On November 15 2013 21:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: No lonemeow is town. final answer. Risen has overly paranoid reads as both alignments, there is no way of telling his alignment from those posts. supersoft you can't say what you said before. You can't possibly know if BC and Mig are town and you should not be electing scum. Therefore your post was useless (assuming you are town) or buddying up to other vets (if you aare scum). Hey look, it's what I said that you have now used. | ||
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Other people have also clearly commented on grack than just BC yet you're all over BC for sharing your sentiment. I also pointed out several of his posts earlier but that for some reason has no weight whatsoever on your theory. Does this now change your read on grack? In other news I think artanis? said that hopeless' lack of posting couldn't be so alignment indicative but @artanis,what do you think of what i said earlier about his play in hogwarts/other town games? It is remarkably different even for such a low amount and it's effectively contentless. I think there's a good chance of hitting scum if we lynch him. Will reply to things as best i can till i get back to my pc | ||
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