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Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
November 22 2013 23:52 GMT
#5541
On November 23 2013 08:51 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2013 08:47 Risen wrote:
EBWOP: And someone with 4 or 5 votes in this extremely fractured lynch is very clearly frontrunner material, in my opinion. Things are so spread out if scum wants to mislynch they only need to have 2 or 3 people on me. It's what you've been fighting against for a while now, so I don't get why you aremn't seeing that. It's why I said the push on me isn't that successful, but it is going to work as things stand right now unless I'm misunderstanding the bvote thread.
If you're town and scum is pushing you, it IS successful.

In my mind, scum DO NOT want to read the thread today. Scum look at the votes and see a mess. Scum look at the thread and see a mess. Scum feel like they're sitting pretty, or half-pretty, based on how many frontrunners are actually mafia.

IMO, scum drop some dinky votes or cases or reads or whatever and peace the hell out. They don't NEED to wreck the thread, and they PROBABLY don't need to play much damage control on votes. If BC is mafia, he's PROBABLY a goner, and we can look back at people who wavered on him, or wanted to lynch other folks, or whatever, especially at the points in the day where he had like 4-5 votes and was not a clear frontrunner.

But I don't think scum need to come in here and bust ass and pretend like they're trying to lynch someone and really convince people. IMO, MOST scum take the lazy play here.

I think up until about three hours ago you would have been correct. Then shit hit the fan and things went to hell in a hand basket. I think scum are now having to get involved in the conversation.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
November 22 2013 23:54 GMT
#5542
On November 23 2013 08:51 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2013 08:49 austinmcc wrote:
I see Mig, super, pandain, HF, onegu at last votecount.

onegu unvotes
super unvotes
pandain unvotes
super votes again
grack votes

you should now be at mig, super, HF, grack.

Rayn picked up 2 votes to go to 4. There are some other folks at 4 maybe or something. There are a bunch of unaccounted for votes (I have one of those).

I am wrong, then. This rayn push concerns me. I think people may be riding Koshi to a mislynch. I also don't like how certain Koshi is of HF scum while pushing rayn so hard. Where is rayn?

Have you considered that maybe HF feels comfortable with his vote on me because he doesn't think I'm going to be lynched and will attempt to mislynch me tomorrow or sometime in the future?
rayn is in finland and I think possibly asleep. Unsure on time zones cuz we're AMURRCA and we don't need to know other times.

I honestly don't care what HF feels about his vote or you right now. I think for all the talk of consolidation and how that's needed, HF is just not a real candidate right now and also SHOULD NOT be. There are too many other people around. I think you continuing to engage him in discussion is a waste of your time and his right now, no matter who is mafia.

I think overall it makes me feel slightly better about you? But that's not really worthwhile given how much is going into all of this, and how there are 17 different conversations being fired back and forth across the thread.
Fe fi fo fum.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 22 2013 23:54 GMT
#5543
Austin do you think I'm scum
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
November 22 2013 23:55 GMT
#5544
On November 23 2013 08:52 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2013 08:51 Risen wrote:
On November 23 2013 08:49 austinmcc wrote:
I see Mig, super, pandain, HF, onegu at last votecount.

onegu unvotes
super unvotes
pandain unvotes
super votes again
grack votes

you should now be at mig, super, HF, grack.

Rayn picked up 2 votes to go to 4. There are some other folks at 4 maybe or something. There are a bunch of unaccounted for votes (I have one of those).

I am wrong, then. This rayn push concerns me. I think people may be riding Koshi to a mislynch. I also don't like how certain Koshi is of HF scum while pushing rayn so hard. Where is rayn?

Have you considered that maybe HF feels comfortable with his vote on me because he doesn't think I'm going to be lynched and will attempt to mislynch me tomorrow or sometime in the future?

Dude.................... If there is 1 lynch I am certain about it is the rayn lynch.

I will place my missing vote on rayn then. This is going to make you look really bad if he flips town. It's going to make me look fucking awful if he flips scum. SS/Pandain/Grack/LM/Oats/HF are going to be sitting pretty for at least another day if not more while things get sorted out between the two of us.

BC flipping regardless of alignment is potentially one of the worst things to happen to me since I've ignored him all day. If there's a night kill left to town I kind of want it to be used on me.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 22 2013 23:56 GMT
#5545
I'm going to play one FFA then come in and try to save myself
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 22 2013 23:56 GMT
#5546
goddammit lol i'm not nearly scummy enough... plan failed

AUUUSTINNNN you're like confm town to me wtf should I do? I don't want to vote Risen because since I've come back he's been posting nearly the entire time uninterrupted and has made sense throughout all of it. It looks completely unlike what a scum player would be able to do in the last few hours leading up to his lynch.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 22 2013 23:56 GMT
#5547
If you guys lynch me make it 100% sure to lynch Koshi after that because i hate him because he is so bad.
I don't really care about this game any more because everyone is so bad. supersoft, Pandain and LM are so fucking scum yet you idiots vote for people because they play the game. Koshi shame on you, i hope you never try to tell people you can read me any more. Neber. Onegu is far better in that than yuou are. Now you can go die.
table for two on a tv tray
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 22 2013 23:56 GMT
#5548
On November 23 2013 08:52 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2013 08:51 austinmcc wrote:
On November 23 2013 08:47 Risen wrote:
EBWOP: And someone with 4 or 5 votes in this extremely fractured lynch is very clearly frontrunner material, in my opinion. Things are so spread out if scum wants to mislynch they only need to have 2 or 3 people on me. It's what you've been fighting against for a while now, so I don't get why you aremn't seeing that. It's why I said the push on me isn't that successful, but it is going to work as things stand right now unless I'm misunderstanding the bvote thread.
If you're town and scum is pushing you, it IS successful.

In my mind, scum DO NOT want to read the thread today. Scum look at the votes and see a mess. Scum look at the thread and see a mess. Scum feel like they're sitting pretty, or half-pretty, based on how many frontrunners are actually mafia.

IMO, scum drop some dinky votes or cases or reads or whatever and peace the hell out. They don't NEED to wreck the thread, and they PROBABLY don't need to play much damage control on votes. If BC is mafia, he's PROBABLY a goner, and we can look back at people who wavered on him, or wanted to lynch other folks, or whatever, especially at the points in the day where he had like 4-5 votes and was not a clear frontrunner.

But I don't think scum need to come in here and bust ass and pretend like they're trying to lynch someone and really convince people. IMO, MOST scum take the lazy play here.

I think up until about three hours ago you would have been correct. Then shit hit the fan and things went to hell in a hand basket. I think scum are now having to get involved in the conversation.


Who was the one that returned to get in the conversation again? Oh yeh that was you. You clearly haven't read i made huge cases on hopeless/oats and bc day 2 which bc is followed up on, the other became unsure outliers and i could have switched to any of them if you weren't being difficult
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
November 22 2013 23:57 GMT
#5549
On November 23 2013 08:54 Pandain wrote:
Austin do you think I'm scum
I don't know wtf you are right now. You have not been a focus of mine today, really, and I did a poor job of reading you in Croque Monsiuer Mafia.

You're in the middle or the periphery of a bunch of other stuff that's going on though, and I need to actually sit down and look at you and vayne and slam and a couple other folks that are in this middle band for me that I just whoosh past.
Fe fi fo fum.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 22 2013 23:58 GMT
#5550
On November 23 2013 08:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If you guys lynch me make it 100% sure to lynch Koshi after that because i hate him because he is so bad.
I don't really care about this game any more because everyone is so bad. supersoft, Pandain and LM are so fucking scum yet you idiots vote for people because they play the game. Koshi shame on you, i hope you never try to tell people you can read me any more. Neber. Onegu is far better in that than yuou are. Now you can go die.

I wont if you are town. But I have been right till now so I can perfectly say at this point I can read you.
I had a good night of sleep.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 22 2013 23:58 GMT
#5551
On November 23 2013 08:58 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2013 08:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If you guys lynch me make it 100% sure to lynch Koshi after that because i hate him because he is so bad.
I don't really care about this game any more because everyone is so bad. supersoft, Pandain and LM are so fucking scum yet you idiots vote for people because they play the game. Koshi shame on you, i hope you never try to tell people you can read me any more. Neber. Onegu is far better in that than yuou are. Now you can go die.

I wont if you are town. But I have been right till now so I can perfectly say at this point I can read you.

stfu you are just bad.
table for two on a tv tray
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 22 2013 23:58 GMT
#5552
I also don't think town Rayn argues to lynch Koshi "because he is so bad"
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
November 22 2013 23:59 GMT
#5553
On November 23 2013 08:56 thrawn2112 wrote:
goddammit lol i'm not nearly scummy enough... plan failed

AUUUSTINNNN you're like confm town to me wtf should I do? I don't want to vote Risen because since I've come back he's been posting nearly the entire time uninterrupted and has made sense throughout all of it. It looks completely unlike what a scum player would be able to do in the last few hours leading up to his lynch.
Why am I confirmed town now?

Also, on a more serious note if you're town.

OH MAN LOOK AT THAT YOU JUST POSTED SORT OF A READ ON A PLAYER UP FOR LYNCH WITH A JUSTIFICATION THAT MAKES SENSE. THAT IS ABSOLUTELY WHAT YOU SHOULD DO WHEN YOU DECIDE WHO TO LYNCH.

You have now removed Risen from your possible voting options.

If you look at BC, ss, oats, maybe a little rayn and a little of koshi's stuff on rayn, I bet you can totally get through a couple of those people and find reasons to vote or not vote them and then put that in the thread and vote accordingly.
Fe fi fo fum.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 22 2013 23:59 GMT
#5554
On November 23 2013 08:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2013 08:58 Koshi wrote:
On November 23 2013 08:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If you guys lynch me make it 100% sure to lynch Koshi after that because i hate him because he is so bad.
I don't really care about this game any more because everyone is so bad. supersoft, Pandain and LM are so fucking scum yet you idiots vote for people because they play the game. Koshi shame on you, i hope you never try to tell people you can read me any more. Neber. Onegu is far better in that than yuou are. Now you can go die.

I wont if you are town. But I have been right till now so I can perfectly say at this point I can read you.

stfu you are just bad.

Why are you so fucking mad? I am just trying to play the damn game. You look fucking insanely scummy to me.
I had a good night of sleep.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 22 2013 23:59 GMT
#5555
You don't even have a case on me you idiot.
table for two on a tv tray
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 22 2013 23:59 GMT
#5556
... I am sad rayn. I am sad.
I had a good night of sleep.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
November 23 2013 00:01 GMT
#5557
On November 23 2013 08:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You don't even have a case on me you idiot.

this is true. All I've seen is that Rayn has accused many people. He does that every game.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-23 00:08:40
November 23 2013 00:02 GMT
#5558
Vote Count:


Pandain (5): Risen, Hopeless1der, raynpelikoneet, Coagulation, Risen, Pandain, thrawn2112, LoneMeow

Grackaroni (2): Risen, BloodyC0bbler, Koshi, Coagulation

BloodyC0bbler (8): VayneAuthority, raynpelikoneet, Mr. Cheesecake, austinmcc, Mig, Grackaroni, Koshi, Hopeless1der, Koshi, Mr. Cheesecake, Pandain, Holyflare, LoneMeow

LoneMeow (2): VayneAuthority, raynpelikoneet, Mr. Cheesecake

supersoft (1): Risen, Koshi, Koshi, Oatsmaster, raynpelikoneet, Hopeless1der, Risen

Mig (2): BloodyC0bbler, Oatsmaster

Coagulation (0): Grackaroni, Oatsmaster

VayneAuthority (0): Koshi, Mr. Cheesecake, Koshi, Alakaslam

raynpelikoneet (4): Alakaslam, Koshi, Mr Cheesecake, Pandain, Koshi, Pandain, Alakaslam

Oatsmaster (2): Alakaslam, supersoft, Risen

Risen (4): Oatsmaster, Mig, supersoft, Alakaslam, Pandain, Holyflare, Onegu, supersoft, Grackaroni

Alakaslam (1): VayneAuthority, Risen, raynpelikoneet

Onegu (1): Oatsmaster

Koshi (0): Onegu

Holyflare (2): Onegu, Risen

austinmcc (1): Onegu

Not voting (3 votes):: austinmcc (1), thrawn2112 (1), Alakaslam (1),


Deadline is in . Voting is mandatory.

Currently
BloodyC0bbler and Pandain are set to be lynched! If you see a vote out of place please inform me or someone else on the hosting team so that we can correct it.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
November 23 2013 00:02 GMT
#5559
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goddammit lol i'm not nearly scummy enough... plan failed


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austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
November 23 2013 00:06 GMT
#5560
On November 23 2013 08:51 Risen wrote:
This rayn push concerns me. I think people may be riding Koshi to a mislynch. I also don't like how certain Koshi is of HF scum while pushing rayn so hard. Where is rayn?
It's concerning, yes, but again...with votes so spread I really don't think scum HAS to come out this late in the day and try to push some new candidate to a mislynch. If rayn is town, it's decent for them to get him mislynched, but it also makes the thread a little more legible. I don't necessarily see why they want him dead NOW over other people when he's engaging in so many little fights and his reads are jumping like crazy.

Unlike BC surviving last night, where scum are a little unsure of what he's going to do given 48 hours and maybe actually playing, rayn has shown today that he can be twisted around in all sorts of claims and lies and minutiae (if he's town). I don't think scum mind not lynching him, and don't see them really trying to push the case. At the very least, I don't think Koshi looks scummy for pushing rayn. Some of the hop-ons COULD very well be scum, and we can watch for that.
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