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raynpelikoneet
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On November 20 2013 03:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Might aswell put this here: Pandain: I don't like this post at all: (#1289) Earlier on he "called Mocsta out" for his bad case on Storr. But he uses same (invalid) evidence in calling Storr scum (the newbie-card, which Storr never actually used). Also his stance on Hopeless is shit and what he says does not make Hopeless scum. (#1438) Does not want to vote for VE for mayor because "he might end up lynching non-scum". But earlier on he said VE is better analyst than yamato, and said mayor should be selected by not looking only D1 lynch and who is better analyst overall. Contradicting himself. (#1713) Now Storr is town because he is playing the noob card so much. But he was just scum for it? (#1718) Another bad justification for scumread on Hopeless. Then there is this BH claim thing. I kinda get Pandain from town pov from that whole mess. What i don't get is that he attacks me "for believing BH's claim" which i definitely did not do, then he wastes a fuckton of posts in arguing about the claim, useless. Also does not attack Grack who actually DID say he believed BH's claim lol. "You can never read me as scum Rayn, you have never been close to lynching me." -> This is completely incorrect, in Thug life i told Koshi to shoot Pandain and he did (we were too busy lynching other scum), in Hogwarts i figured Pandain was scum on N1, had no time to lynch him, but saying i can't read him is wrong. This is a kind of defense Pandain uses as scum, saying things like "I have literally been town the whole game" or "You can't possibly think i am scum". Yes that's what he actually says as scum when someone accuses him. "I think Vayne is scum he's playing like ##." Vayne is playing nothing like in ##. Interestingly enough Pandain trust supersoft as 100% town as he has masoned him, but supersoft calls Pandain definitely scum in one of his last posts before D1 end. Pandain's read on me is terrible. He never explains why he thinks i am scum. Last game where i was actually scum Pandain made a big case on me so i would think he feel comfortable in reading me if he is town (while the case was in fact bullshit). Instead of making a case he gives no reasoning but keeps on saying "i could support rayn lynch the most". Pandain's case on BH regarding BH's claim is terrible. Honestly, it's so really bad. Then suddenly, when BH "un-claims" he staright out believes BH to be town for that.. Suddenly he has a scumread on Oats, he has never mentioned Oats before in this game. Read on Austin is "austin's been fine, he's been pushing people and giving opinions", unfortunately that does not mean anything at all - and austin has NOT been pushing people. He says this about BH: "Based on his fakeclaim alone he's actually town. There are better places to argue now" So in case he knows BH is fakeclaiming he can say anything he wants about BH (which he did, like 3 pages of his filter) - and when BH unclaims he can just flush it all away with this. Nothing matters any more. Good plan if they are scum or if Pandain believed BH was fakeclaiming in the first place (he called BH's claim fake in the first place so this actually is true in any case lol). After this he defends BH's original claim (why would scum claim 6h before the deadline) - but earlier on he attacked BH for same reasons? (#3326) This post is totally wrong, supersoft was not "basically mayor already", supersoft did not "want to lynch Mocsta", supersoft brings Mocsta up AT THE FIRST TIME IN HIS FILTER 3 minutes before the deadline!!!! Supersoft has not done ANY analysis at all, his filter is shit. This post is totally misleading analysis of supersoft. Then there is this "this makes Onegu scum but he is town" analysis. TLDR; Pandain's reasoning for his reads makes no sense at all. His play is all over the place and there is no direction. There is no logical train of thought and he seems to be trying to achieve nothing besides just saying stuff for sake of saying stuff. This all have i said before lol. ^^ And like i said before, he is scum. * Post numbers before comments are the post numbers in thread. Can you explain to me how to quickly find the quotes you're referencing so I can just stop this as well | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9855 Posts
On November 20 2013 06:12 Pandain wrote: + Show Spoiler + On November 20 2013 03:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Might aswell put this here: Pandain: I don't like this post at all: (#1289) Earlier on he "called Mocsta out" for his bad case on Storr. But he uses same (invalid) evidence in calling Storr scum (the newbie-card, which Storr never actually used). Also his stance on Hopeless is shit and what he says does not make Hopeless scum. (#1438) Does not want to vote for VE for mayor because "he might end up lynching non-scum". But earlier on he said VE is better analyst than yamato, and said mayor should be selected by not looking only D1 lynch and who is better analyst overall. Contradicting himself. (#1713) Now Storr is town because he is playing the noob card so much. But he was just scum for it? (#1718) Another bad justification for scumread on Hopeless. Then there is this BH claim thing. I kinda get Pandain from town pov from that whole mess. What i don't get is that he attacks me "for believing BH's claim" which i definitely did not do, then he wastes a fuckton of posts in arguing about the claim, useless. Also does not attack Grack who actually DID say he believed BH's claim lol. "You can never read me as scum Rayn, you have never been close to lynching me." -> This is completely incorrect, in Thug life i told Koshi to shoot Pandain and he did (we were too busy lynching other scum), in Hogwarts i figured Pandain was scum on N1, had no time to lynch him, but saying i can't read him is wrong. This is a kind of defense Pandain uses as scum, saying things like "I have literally been town the whole game" or "You can't possibly think i am scum". Yes that's what he actually says as scum when someone accuses him. "I think Vayne is scum he's playing like ##." Vayne is playing nothing like in ##. Interestingly enough Pandain trust supersoft as 100% town as he has masoned him, but supersoft calls Pandain definitely scum in one of his last posts before D1 end. Pandain's read on me is terrible. He never explains why he thinks i am scum. Last game where i was actually scum Pandain made a big case on me so i would think he feel comfortable in reading me if he is town (while the case was in fact bullshit). Instead of making a case he gives no reasoning but keeps on saying "i could support rayn lynch the most". Pandain's case on BH regarding BH's claim is terrible. Honestly, it's so really bad. Then suddenly, when BH "un-claims" he staright out believes BH to be town for that.. Suddenly he has a scumread on Oats, he has never mentioned Oats before in this game. Read on Austin is "austin's been fine, he's been pushing people and giving opinions", unfortunately that does not mean anything at all - and austin has NOT been pushing people. He says this about BH: "Based on his fakeclaim alone he's actually town. There are better places to argue now" So in case he knows BH is fakeclaiming he can say anything he wants about BH (which he did, like 3 pages of his filter) - and when BH unclaims he can just flush it all away with this. Nothing matters any more. Good plan if they are scum or if Pandain believed BH was fakeclaiming in the first place (he called BH's claim fake in the first place so this actually is true in any case lol). After this he defends BH's original claim (why would scum claim 6h before the deadline) - but earlier on he attacked BH for same reasons? (#3326) This post is totally wrong, supersoft was not "basically mayor already", supersoft did not "want to lynch Mocsta", supersoft brings Mocsta up AT THE FIRST TIME IN HIS FILTER 3 minutes before the deadline!!!! Supersoft has not done ANY analysis at all, his filter is shit. This post is totally misleading analysis of supersoft. Then there is this "this makes Onegu scum but he is town" analysis. TLDR; Pandain's reasoning for his reads makes no sense at all. His play is all over the place and there is no direction. There is no logical train of thought and he seems to be trying to achieve nothing besides just saying stuff for sake of saying stuff. This all have i said before lol. ^^ And like i said before, he is scum. * Post numbers before comments are the post numbers in thread. Can you explain to me how to quickly find the quotes you're referencing so I can just stop this as well LOL. good question. How did he expect us to understand any of that. | ||
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Pandain
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
There are 20 posts / page. Therefore for example #1289 is 9th post in thread page 65. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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Grackaroni
United States9855 Posts
On November 20 2013 06:15 Pandain wrote: Grack do you think I'm town btw I'm actually still unsure  Looking at active players besides BH I would rather lynch BC/koshi than you. Would place you as null with VE/Austin | ||
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Grackaroni
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Pandain
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
WAIT! I already did that in one of my scumgames. Because if you cripple the thread for like 3 days or so, everyone loses interest = easy scumwin. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On November 20 2013 03:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Might aswell put this here: Pandain: I don't like this post at all: Earlier on he "called Mocsta out" for his bad case on Storr. But he uses same (invalid) evidence in calling Storr scum (the newbie-card, which Storr never actually used). Also his stance on Hopeless is shit and what he says does not make Hopeless scum. Does not want to vote for VE for mayor because "he might end up lynching non-scum". But earlier on he said VE is better analyst than yamato, and said mayor should be selected by not looking only D1 lynch and who is better analyst overall. Contradicting himself. Now Storr is town because he is playing the noob card so much. But he was just scum for it? Another bad justification for scumread on Hopeless. Then there is this BH claim thing. I kinda get Pandain from town pov from that whole mess. What i don't get is that he attacks me "for believing BH's claim" which i definitely did not do, then he wastes a fuckton of posts in arguing about the claim, useless. Also does not attack Grack who actually DID say he believed BH's claim lol. "You can never read me as scum Rayn, you have never been close to lynching me." -> This is completely incorrect, in Thug life i told Koshi to shoot Pandain and he did (we were too busy lynching other scum), in Hogwarts i figured Pandain was scum on N1, had no time to lynch him, but saying i can't read him is wrong. This is a kind of defense Pandain uses as scum, saying things like "I have literally been town the whole game" or "You can't possibly think i am scum". Yes that's what he actually says as scum when someone accuses him. "I think Vayne is scum he's playing like ##." Vayne is playing nothing like in ##. Interestingly enough Pandain trust supersoft as 100% town as he has masoned him, but supersoft calls Pandain definitely scum in one of his last posts before D1 end. Pandain's read on me is terrible. He never explains why he thinks i am scum. Last game where i was actually scum Pandain made a big case on me so i would think he feel comfortable in reading me if he is town (while the case was in fact bullshit). Instead of making a case he gives no reasoning but keeps on saying "i could support rayn lynch the most". Pandain's case on BH regarding BH's claim is terrible. Honestly, it's so really bad. Then suddenly, when BH "un-claims" he staright out believes BH to be town for that.. Suddenly he has a scumread on Oats, he has never mentioned Oats before in this game. Read on Austin is "austin's been fine, he's been pushing people and giving opinions", unfortunately that does not mean anything at all - and austin has NOT been pushing people. He says this about BH: "Based on his fakeclaim alone he's actually town. There are better places to argue now" So in case he knows BH is fakeclaiming he can say anything he wants about BH (which he did, like 3 pages of his filter) - and when BH unclaims he can just flush it all away with this. Nothing matters any more. Good plan if they are scum or if Pandain believed BH was fakeclaiming in the first place (he called BH's claim fake in the first place so this actually is true in any case lol). After this he defends BH's original claim (why would scum claim 6h before the deadline) - but earlier on he attacked BH for same reasons? This post is totally wrong, supersoft was not "basically mayor already", supersoft did not "want to lynch Mocsta", supersoft brings Mocsta up AT THE FIRST TIME IN HIS FILTER 3 minutes before the deadline!!!! Supersoft has not done ANY analysis at all, his filter is shit. This post is totally misleading analysis of supersoft. Then there is this "this makes Onegu scum but he is town" analysis. TLDR; Pandain's reasoning for his reads makes no sense at all. His play is all over the place and there is no direction. There is no logical train of thought and he seems to be trying to achieve nothing besides just saying stuff for sake of saying stuff. This all have i said before lol. ^^ And like i said before, he is scum. * Post numbers before comments are the post numbers in thread. | ||
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supersoft
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supersoft
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This is just madness. It doesn't help at all. If I were scum, I'd just talk to you for 10 pages from every now and then. It is that easy. | ||
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Mattchew
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On November 20 2013 06:26 supersoft wrote: 15% of the thread is you. You are 15% of the thread. And you provoke these endless dialogues with other people. I think 40% of the game is now you talking to someone else. This is just madness. It doesn't help at all. If I were scum, I'd just talk to you for 10 pages from every now and then. It is that easy. The good thing is that rayn only does this as town. So we can just sheep him because he is most of the time pretty spot on. | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
He's delivering everyone the excuse to not read the game. And I can't blame anyone for it. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On November 20 2013 06:22 supersoft wrote: This game is almost unreadable. I just skimmed through the last 20 pages and there is no content. It's just a huge monologue of rayn. I have to think about that. Maybe i'll do it in my next scumgame. WAIT! I already did that in one of my scumgames. Because if you cripple the thread for like 3 days or so, everyone loses interest = easy scumwin. Can you explain to me why you think BC is town? Or at least I got that impression from you in our chats and in thread. I think BC is either scum or playing poorly, and I don't think I can decide that yet to make a definitive decision to lynch him tomorrow. I'll explain my analysis: 1. He berated rayn for trying to find masons, yet in our first post in our mason chat he revealed something connected to you that I'm sure you know today. So that doesn't make sense. And I don't think I was town enough to justify revealing that info. 2. I revealed my mig notes' discovery which I felt pretty much definitively proved Mig is town. I don't like how BC was hesistant giving him a high town read. Here's his quote: yeah. This actually could clear him. I know that SS was somewhat suspect of him but I think this essentially clears him. The only minute chance I think would be him as an assassin but given that the notes are public very unlikely It says he's town, but I don't like how it just seems hesistant. Maybe I'm overthinking this part. I looked over his town and scum games and the biggest thing that I found to differentiate them is that Town BC will find something suspicious and then analyze it himself. Scum BC will simply note it(until of course he gives a later big analysis) . I don't like other areas of BC's play either On November 16 2013 01:59 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Point 3 has a ton of merit and looks bad. I honestly prefer a grack / storr lynch at this point but if HF keeps this behaviour up we will have a solid #3 to the list Just seems weird to me, add that I think his grack analysis was pretty poor. "HF, if you keep this up, we'll lynch you!" Guess scum HF now knows what to do. And other stuff like that, I can explain more if you want | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
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Grackaroni
United States9855 Posts
On November 20 2013 06:34 Koshi wrote: supersoft might have released the kraken. or even worse, the gracken. | ||
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