EPThey gumshoe. I remember you for when you made that poll that one time
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hey gumshoe. I remember you for when you made that poll that one time | ||
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On November 04 2013 07:30 hzflank wrote: Relish it while it lasts. I don't anticipate a quiet or passive game. Why is that? | ||
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On November 04 2013 07:13 thrawn2112 wrote: well it's definitely not a tuesday thing What? | ||
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On November 04 2013 08:53 Sylencia wrote: So to anyone who was in the original game, other than our usual win-con, what else should we be looking at in terms of how Witchcraft works? Kind of strange to say "ususual win-con" as opposed to just "other than our win-con". How do YOU think Witchcraft should be handled? | ||
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On November 04 2013 09:22 EchelonTee wrote: Kind of strange to say "ususual win-con" as opposed to just "other than our win-con". How do YOU think Witchcraft should be handled? On November 04 2013 10:07 Sylencia wrote: Relax there. Anyone who's played with me before nows I'm at work during these hours - though lazy on my part I don't have the time to extensively browse through the past to find all the information I want. In any case I wasn't asking "how to win guys", it was more of a "were there any traps which caused trouble for town that we should look out for" but since there's an entirely new cast of players pretty much there's not really any answers to give unless someone here obsed the last game and can remember it. If you have the time to write that paragraph, you have time to answer my question. Why won't you discuss your thoughts on Witchcraft, and only spend time defending yourself? I disagree with people claiming actions, because if I voted someone as a blue and they avoided the blue-vig, I'd like to continue voting them. | ||
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On November 04 2013 12:00 ObviousOne wrote: If you put Syl on the defensive by attacking for activity you are creating a self-fulfilling prophecy of his lynch. That's just how it works with Syl. Try seeing what Syl does proactively first before you go all bat-shit with this. If you don't know Syl's MO then I'll make it one sentence for you: both alignments he ends up defending his activity to death and never gets the chance to do actual scum hunting. Therefore by leaving Syl to his devices you will more quickly get a feel for mindset and goals than cornering him. This is specific to Syl only but you can check out some past games to see what I mean. A scum one was This Town Ain't Big Enough mafia if I recall correctly. Please don't make it harder than it needs to be to get a read on Syl. I'm asking simple questions, not going all bat-shit. Please don't misrepresent me. I am not attacking based off of a lack of activity. I am pointing out that if Syl had the chance to write those lines, he had the time to respond to a simple question. I'm not going to baby someone; that's simply disrespectful. | ||
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On November 04 2013 13:44 Vanesco wrote: I'm having a really big scum read on Umasi currently. As explained before, in his first post I think only consists of 1 real accusation which is that I do not like talking about strategy since scum can meta it. To me it seems that he wants town to discuss strategy which leads me to the two most likely conclusions. 1) He doesn't know what to do, usually means a weak town and can be tricked easily by scum, or 2) mafia that wants to know the towns plans and how to use it against them His only other post is him making a joke at somebody who thinks he's scum and then saying that I didn't pressure Syl hard (which I explain in the paragraph above). He then talks about how I don't like to talk about strategy which I explain why above. He mistakenly calls strategy "mechanics" when they are completely different things (in my opinion). I view mechanics as the rules of the game where strategy is how to play the game. I don't know if this is just me but it seems like he wants to blame that I'm not allowing people to discuss the rules of the game when infact I just don't like when people discuss the strategy they are going to use. I don't like him. Where's the vote? | ||
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On November 04 2013 12:47 thrawn2112 wrote: i'm out for a bit...fairly bland start so far PSA: it is Nov 04 2013 which means I'm wearing a special hat for special people so I will likely NOT be sober at any given moment over the next 24-ish hrs I don't see anything blatantly scummy atm, but I do want to throw this list out there: rayn WoS Sylencia OO Vanesco Umasi if you aren't on this list then that means you either haven't posted, or you haven't posted anything memorable and as such you will be who I focus on first upon returning to the thread. So you are advocating a lurker lynch. | ||
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On November 04 2013 12:52 Umasi wrote: Main reasons we should vote for Vanesco is A: he preferred for a lack of talk about witchcraft specific mechanics (which is scum agenda but wuevuh) B: Ambiguous post about Sylencia, which was scummy at the time for being ambiguous and scumm-ier after ^^^that quote, as explained. On your point A, not wanting to talk about setup isn't necessarily scummy. Scum people love talking about setup because it allows them to stick in a lot of words without pressuring people. Look at me in Hogwarts. Your point B I somewhat agree with. On November 04 2013 13:52 Vanesco wrote: I have no reason to vote currently. There are still many people who have yet to post and it seems like an easy thing to just sheep on somebody else's vote without having to give much input. What are you talking about? Your reasoning for not voting is that other people could sheep onto you without giving input. The problem with that reasoning is as follows: 1.) You state that you have a "really big scum read on Umasi". 2.) If you have a big scum read on someone, it follows that you should want them lynched. 3.) If you vote them and people sheep on to you, those people are helping exact the lynch that you want. If you have a big scum read someone, why do you have a problem with people agreeing with your read? Is your read on Umasi actually not "really big"? This doesn't make sense. Gumshoe, you'd better start talking soon because in your last game (GoT Mafia) you said practically nothing and got vig'd N1 as a VT. I'd not like a repeat. | ||
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On November 04 2013 14:24 Vanesco wrote: I believe that by talking about a plan (in this game, with this setup) is a bad choice because lets say we find out that player X,Y,Z were voted on the most. That means the next 3 votes will probably overlap with at least 1 of the previously chosen players. This just seems like we are giving scum an easy way to kill one of the blue roles. I agree with this post. Without PMs (like in Liar Game, a game with a huge amount of votes+pms) it seems too hard to use Witchcraft Vote analysis to determine alignment. The gain doesn't seem worth the risk. | ||
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On November 04 2013 14:58 WaveofShadow wrote: Do you think Vanesco is scum for his actions or can he be town as well? Null, slight lean to scummy; his demeanor doesn't seem as active and pressuring as it did in Newbie Mafia L. Filter Though he does use the same "large scum read" terminology without immediately voting. On November 04 2013 14:59 thrawn2112 wrote: how's it goin? no, not even thinking about lynching yet. but i'm glad you brought it (lurker lynching) up what do you think about the drama? is it real drama or is it "real" drama? or just distracting and annoying? You said you would focus on the people not on your list. I took that to mean you were targeting lurkers, which you aren't at this point. What's your stance on lynching lurkers? Or am I to assmue that I am the target of your focus? Your set of questions don't make any sense to me. Do I think there is drama: Yes, people are being voted. Do I think it is scum influenced: Yes, it is more than likely that at least one of the active persons is scum. | ||
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On November 04 2013 10:12 thrawn2112 wrote: I am sooo uncomfortably unfamiliar with this player list.. I think Syl, WoS, and maybe Sn0 are the only people I've played with? OH lol and rayn ofc Oh Thrawn, can you tell me what you think of Syl since you've played with him before? | ||
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On November 04 2013 23:22 Onegu wrote: @ET I have now said sorry twice :p didn't open with sorry and nothing though | ||
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On November 04 2013 23:33 WaveofShadow wrote:Random thought/stream-of-consciousness (since I was reading hzflank's setup analysis which I liked): Would it ever be worth it to simply claim blue roles during the day? Yes we will lose someone immediately I suppose but is that an acceptable risk if it means we can track role usage (assuming no mis-elections I suppose)? It may not be worth it I guess if we fuck up bad and elect multiple scum since they can lie about getting RBed and implicate a towny in a 2scum 1town election scenario---yeah come to think of it I think it all falls apart if we fuck up and elect scum since they can lie about checks as well, and the nature of the checks makes it a hell of a lot easier to lie (regarding something like Blaspheme, for example). What the fuck? You are suggesting that a blue should claim during the day, guaranteeing their death by blue-vig? Are you insane or scum? | ||
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Thrawn looks bad I agree. On November 04 2013 12:47 thrawn2112 wrote: i'm out for a bit...fairly bland start so far PSA: it is Nov 04 2013 which means I'm wearing a special hat for special people so I will likely NOT be sober at any given moment over the next 24-ish hrs I don't see anything blatantly scummy atm, but I do want to throw this list out there: rayn WoS Sylencia OO Vanesco Umasi if you aren't on this list then that means you either haven't posted, or you haven't posted anything memorable and as such you will be who I focus on first upon returning to the thread. I don't understand how a townsman would write a list of all the active people in thread, with a promise of pursuing lurkers, then proceed to not pursue anything. | ||
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On November 05 2013 08:38 hzflank wrote: Sigh, missed this. Why is it so important for Syl to answer your question about blue roles? I mean, that is the least important type of question that someone could ignore. What were you expecting to get out of Syl? That was the very beginning of the game. I wanted Syl to talk. It did not succeed because apparntly I am supposed to expect that Syl will not respond rationally to questions. | ||
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On November 05 2013 08:02 Cephiro wrote: Aight. That was an interesting read. As for witchpowershiznit, I suggest we claim our votes only, 72 hours after. I've come up with an interesting idea as well. We will claim the votes in order, one at a time. I have an algorhithm based on certain actions in the game that make me very confident in the idea this will work. Also, vote me for blue. I'd like to hear more from players: raynpelikoneet, hzflank, thrawn, Sn0_Man + Myself. ##Vote: WaveOfShadow I find it very strange that your first post of the game does not address many issues. It's quite narrow actually. This contrasts sharply with your play in Liar Game and Hogwarts, where your first posts attacked a lot of people (incorrectly, mind you), but it showed how you were interested in all people as possible suspects. | ||
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On November 05 2013 13:09 Sylencia wrote: Has he done anything since last night to further strengthen your scum read on him? As I said before, I don't really agree with what he's said that much but I can see the train of thought behind it. The contributions which you've provided is just a weak case on Vanesco and continuing to push it. That said, ET's filter looks pretty horrendous as it can be summed up as so: Vanesco looks null to scummy because it didn't match Newbie Mafia L (weak) thrawn posted a list of players who had posted but wasn't advocating lurker lynch (weak) Nothing else has been said really... Tbh at the moment ET's filter is really sticking out like a sore thumb to me the more I think about it, since the rest of his posts look like really weak attempts at looking townie :| ##vote EchelonTee Continuing on to more reading... If I was scum, I would be pushing a mislynch on a poor-playing townie because it is extremely easy to do so. My last game as scum I do so ineffectively (but still do), but if you look at any of my previous scum games (liar game, jubjub mafia) you'll see. Since I am town, I am must less sure about my reads. Since the entirety of your case seems to be that I have weak opinions, which is true as it is Day 1, there's nothing more I have to say to you. | ||
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On November 05 2013 14:25 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh and thrawn sitting back and baiting reactions looks like shit honestly. I don't know what responses he was looking for doing that, but to me it appears as though he left the meaning of 'doozy' (positive/negative connotation?) purposefully ambiguous. I think that Thrawn is scum. On November 04 2013 12:47 thrawn2112 wrote: i'm out for a bit...fairly bland start so far PSA: it is Nov 04 2013 which means I'm wearing a special hat for special people so I will likely NOT be sober at any given moment over the next 24-ish hrs I don't see anything blatantly scummy atm, but I do want to throw this list out there: rayn WoS Sylencia OO Vanesco Umasi if you aren't on this list then that means you either haven't posted, or you haven't posted anything memorable and as such you will be who I focus on first upon returning to the thread. He never pursued the people not on his list. I find claiming that you will do something, then not doing it scummy; it looks like you are pursuing leads when you are not actually. On November 04 2013 14:59 thrawn2112 wrote: how's it goin? no, not even thinking about lynching yet. but i'm glad you brought it (lurker lynching) up what do you think about the drama? is it real drama or is it "real" drama? or just distracting and annoying? I thought these questions were strange because they don't serve any purpose. If his purpose was to get me to talk (as when I questioned Syl), he didn't respond to me at all, which makes me wonder why he asked me these. It feels to me like fake activity. On November 05 2013 09:30 thrawn2112 wrote: -rayn - I want to fucking lynch this guy because I know he's capable of doing so much more. I'm not talking about quantity of posts. On November 05 2013 10:56 thrawn2112 wrote: rayn goddammit you cannot play like kushm4sta only kush can do that and still be readable Thrawn votes rayn but never really explains why. Does not quote rayn or outline his reasoning. Yet he wants to "fucking lynch him". This does not feel like a real scum read to me. On November 05 2013 13:17 thrawn2112 wrote: haha that syl vote for ET is a doozy aint it I don't like posts like this that don't say anything. It doesn't feel like thrawn has an actual read on Syl and is just commenting on the current topic for some activity. A brief filter of analysis of Thrawn's previous two games, Desert Mini and British Empire Mini corroborate my views. Posts like these outline clear reasons why Thrawn views there's players as scum and show an intent to scumhunt. In this game, he has done a lot of lists and lightly push rayn for a lack of activity. I think there is a stark contrast. ##Vote: Thrawn2112 | ||
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On November 05 2013 12:32 ObviousOne wrote: Like I just mentioned a couple posts ago, I'm drawing parallels between what Sn0 is doing and what WoS is doing, but WoS is actually here. Doesn't seem inquisitive enough to me for a town WoS but I didn't read the beginning of the Les Mafia game so I don't know how he opens up and if it will even be applicable given that it's a single game. I think this a pretty good point. Sn0 just seems "not here". He has had plenty of time to formulate opinions. His presence feels really floaty; it reminds me of scum players who skirt the edge; noticeable enough to not be called out for lurking, but not noticeable enough to be forced to give out concrete reads. On November 05 2013 03:58 Sn0_Man wrote: Well I don't have a nice blue role this game to claim and be conftown but w/e. This is more or less my day 1 I promise I'm developing reads and thinking about the game, just not at a rate that provides anything interesting to town right now. I try to gather data with a more or less null read on everybody so as to be objective, then study the data once I feel like its enough for a "read". There is a promise to develop reads, but there is nothing shown in thread. It's understandable that Day 1 reads are not the best, but to me it feels like Sn0 is putting in absolutely no effort to provide legitimate reads. On November 05 2013 05:25 Sn0_Man wrote: You are like, incredibly desperate to justify yourself. If you weren't so uptight I'd be leaving it alone. Actually I was leaving it alone ur the one pushing it lol. I agree with other people's sentiments that this post is very strange. Sn0's post feels like one that is shrinking away. While it is true that some scum players are comfortable with arguing, the baseline idea is that scum have inherent guilt and would rather avoid confrontation. I would be fine with a Sn0 lynch if Thrawn cannot happen. | ||
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On November 05 2013 11:52 Cephiro wrote: Yes, I have several reads that I don't think are worth sharing. Do you think it's useful if I told my opinions on every player in the game, even if half of them would be nullreads? A read could be a townread, scumread, or a nullread, or anything between. Why should I concentrate on telling the thread that "Guiz, I'm not sure if X is town or scum"? There is no point for a town to do that. It doesn't provide anything to go by. I don't give a shit if you're unsure about someone. Come and tell me when you think that he's either town or scum. Preferably when he's scum, unless you have a good reason for defending someone to be town without 100% knowing their alignment. Cephiro's view in this game compared to Hogwarts just seems so different, where he shared a bunch of views freely. Look here. It's just so starkly different that I can't get it out of my mind. I also don't like his case on WoS because it's an oldschool example of point-by-point-analysis (PBPA); he doesn't effectively show WoS is scum, he just takes every post and bashes on them. | ||
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On November 05 2013 14:46 EchelonTee wrote: I find it very strange that your first post of the game does not address many issues. It's quite narrow actually. This contrasts sharply with your play in Liar Game and Hogwarts, where your first posts attacked a lot of people (incorrectly, mind you), but it showed how you were interested in all people as possible suspects. My memory was wrong on Liar Game (Cephiro did not open with a big multiperson post), but my point still stands on the difference between Hogwarts and this game. | ||
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On November 05 2013 16:17 WaveofShadow wrote: ET you don't find Onegu scummy in the slightest? Why are you absolutely set on thrawn? I don't find Onegu scummier than Sn0 or Thrawn. I am set on Thrawn because he is my biggest scum read for the reasons I mentioned. Respond to my post if you think I am reaching. | ||
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On November 05 2013 17:30 thrawn2112 wrote: onegu is town methinks EchelonTee is there anything you want to talk about respond to my case. since you yourself stated that you prefer to be the center of attention. | ||
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On November 05 2013 16:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: ET i don't think those posts you quoted from thrawn make him scummy. There is noone in this game who has contributed to the game in every post of theirs and his vote on me was perfectly reasonable given our interactions in Desert. If you accuse thrawn of being scum because of that i must say you come off as at least as scummy as him ebcause (1) he actually explained his vote and (2) you could have seen that the vote was totally legit at that time for what i said if you looked at his reasoning. The last quote is actually the only thing that i agree is scummy and in addition to that there are more of those in thrawn's filter. But, why are you picking some random quotes from thrawn's filter and make it look like he has not contributed much? Can you do a compilation of thrawn's & gumshoe's contributions to the game and show me thrawn has contributed more than gumshoe has, because afaik that's what you are accusing thrawn of? You don't need to contribute in every post, obviously. The distinction I made is that thrawn said he would do things, then did not follow up. His vote on you was somewhat reasonable, but it seemed like merely a pressure vote and not an attempt to pursue scum. That is fine at some stages of the game but I still have no idea who Thrawn thinks is scum. Deadline is in 12 hrs. I don't know why you are saying I look as scummy as him, because I have stated my thoughts on several people and outlined reasoning as clear as I can make it. I don't think I was picking random quotes from thrawn's filter. I think that I picked specific quotes that I felt showcased how he is not contributing. Posts like these show effort and contribution to me, even if I don't really agree with the content. The second post in particular is one that I don't see a scum gumshoe doing. Thrawn has not contributed as much as these posts of gumshoe's. | ||
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On November 05 2013 17:47 thrawn2112 wrote: The list: I was not making a list of who isn't lurking with the promise to attack lurkers. I wasn't even making a list of anti-lurkers. I was making a list of anyone who (including lurkers, obviously) wasn't committing to conversation. So the people not on the list includes both lurkers and people like yourself, who at the time I didn't feel like they'd done anything meaningful. The list even included some people who were borderline lurking but at least had made some type of impression on me. The only purpose of such a list is to hopefully intimidate people not on the list to dip their toes farther into the water. Rayn vote: If you've really gone through my town games like you appear to then you should see my rayn vote is very much like something I'd do. And you're wrong, I do give my reasoning and I do not regret having my vote on rayn. I think if you read all of my posts about rayn then you can see a clear progression of my read. Everything else: Sorry I just don't take the game seriously 100% of the time, especially when I'm bored. LOL btw I looked at one of my cases you linked as evidence of how I can write a serious case, and one of my points against prom was that he wasn't being my friend. That whole post was kinda trollish, I'm kinda wondering why you used that as an example because there are probably a lot better ones to pick from. With you claiming to have done meta research on me yet you can't see my rayn vote coming from a town thrawn makes me think you went looking into my meta already knowing the outcome of your results. You said you would focus on them, but I don't see any focus on you. I did not do intensive meta research. I skimmed your posts, but did not skim rayn's posts. If I missed some huge, obvious interaction that shows that you must be town and rayn believes so, I could back off for now. There might've been better examples but I'm not going to spend hours poring over your meta. I picked the first example I saw that looked like a real case. I don't see you making any real cases and your excuse is that you're bored. I don't know the point of trying harder if it's clear that you don't really care and are too bored to play. If you think I am scum, please state so instead of lightly insinuating it. I'd like to know who you want to lynch, if you're not too bored to say something of use. | ||
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On November 05 2013 17:11 WaveofShadow wrote: I still don't think I'd go Sn0 today (though if he acts the same way tomorrow as he does today he's dead tomorrow) and I feel better about Umasi than I did so maybe it is thrawn. Why not Sn0 today? | ||
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Vanesco: Onegu: Gumshoe: Sn0: WaveofShadow: EchelonTee: Sylencia hzflank: Rayn: Umasi: Thrawn: EchelonTee No vote (5): Sn0, Vanesco, WaveofShadow, Thrawn, Umasi | ||
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On November 05 2013 21:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: TLRD; (1) EchelonTee's reasoning for thrawn being scum changes half-way through D1 for some parts of his argument. When townies do this they add new content to their case. EchelonTee, instead of doing this, changes his reasoning for old content to fit his case better. There is no town motivation for doing so. (2) EchelonTee does "skim through player's filter from another game" without actually even skimming through it. There is no town motivation to go into other player's filter from another game and then do nothing there. [u](3) EchelonTee when being called out for his case says "prove to me he is town". This is not how the game works and everyone should know this. This is a justification to sit on his vote when he can't actually prove (as it seems) thrawn is scum because nobody can possibly prove thrawn is town at this stage of the game. (4) EchelonTee is not paying attention and making up stuff on the fly. This has been proven by many things. His filter skim, his change of reasoning, his answer to my gumshoe case, him asking people's opinions on his case on thrawn and when people give them he misses it. None of those things i can see a townie doing in any situation. Fuck the meta analysis. Fine my case was shit, I didn't know that thrawn was smurfing that game. I already indicated I would back away from my case if I had made a mistake On November 05 2013 17:52 EchelonTee wrote:I did not do intensive meta research. I skimmed your posts, but did not skim rayn's posts. If I missed some huge, obvious interaction that shows that you must be town and rayn believes so, I could back off for now. so I think it's completely messed up that you are arguing I am twisting information when I am trying to be as reasonable as possible.I can't believe that you are trying to push a lynch on me at this stage in the game when there is almost no chance I will be lynched. You are contributing to a no-lynch and had better get off of me right now. My main point about thrawn has always been that he didn't do anything, which he himself acknowledges. I guess that's fine in Mafia these days. Vote people who are trying to do things and ignore people who do nothing. I am paying attention and am not making up things on the fly. I'm extremely, extremely insulted that you claim so. Compare my 1:1 with other players to the game and seriously, I'm the one who isn't paying attention to thread? I'm the most scummy to you? I don't even know what to say. I disagree that gumshoe's interactions/contributions are fake, and therefore I'm scum. Seriously. ##Unvote | ||
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On November 06 2013 02:36 Sn0_Man wrote: Last game I gave him a townread for something and he said stuff like "don't give me a townread for that" and shit. Maybe not full martyr but the mindset is the same. Its "Would scum throw away "towncred" like this? Would scum call attention to themselves like this? Of course not". Its how Onegu plays. I'll admit that I often get the same vibes from his townplay and in general I have real difficulty reading Onegu, but I'd argue that that makes him a serious liability to have moving into the late game. And he hasn't done anything to make me think he's town. I mean, if he IS town, then he wants to die so we should oblige him and solve that questionmark. If he is scum, then we lynch scum. It feels like the right move right now. Besides what townie ever self votes except in frustration? This wasn't frustration it was "look at me I'm so cooperative and want town to win" yeah right. I have seen scum self-martyr (that nuke game? forgot the name, where gonzaw owned VE and BH with nukes), I think one of my scum-mates in that game was super fucking scummy but people said "oh mafia wouldn't completely give up" or something like that. However I don't see a parallel with "don't give me towncred" and "kill me guys, I'm better dead". Those two things seem completely different in terms of scale. I just don't get why he would give up though. He only had like 2 votes on him when he self-voted. It's just so weird. .................................now that I think about it more, a scum Onegu that is legitimately in the hospital and has no time to vote; parking the vote on self seems like a decent way to avoid making up a case. but why wouldnt he just random vote? | ||
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On November 05 2013 05:01 Sn0_Man wrote: OO's awful paranoid or something. Though rayn was being oblivious and threatening votes for bad reasons. OO still overreacted pretty hard. Thoughts? This was your post. On November 05 2013 04:56 ObviousOne wrote: Rayn that's a pretty shit thing to get hung up about considering it has zero bearing on this game at all, only has anything at all to do with my ability to read WoS as scum. I think you were referencing this. OO did not sound paranoid or afraid at all. That's why your post was so weird. | ||
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On November 06 2013 03:38 thrawn2112 wrote: That's a good fucking point. If he was self-voting to get out of doing shit I imagine he would've just self-voted and said "deuces". Onegu isn't getting lynched today get off of him people.Yes, scum can martyr but don't town do it way more often? another reason I have to believe Onegu is because of the way he spilled all his reads right before his vote. | ||
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1) around 2) talking to people That's not necessarily alignment indicative but it would be really, really easy to just lurk as scum I guess we're not killing sn0 today still mulling over cephiro's post. I have it firmly ingrained in my mind that no-lynches are bad, still thinking about it though | ||
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potential (not-guaranteed) extra day of three blues scum has 1 extra target cons - less information than a lynch (a lynch gives more information than a no-lynch, self-explanatory) 0 chance of killing scum I don't think we will have more direction tomorrow unless we get extremely lucky dodging bullets and making good actions. I don't think a no-lynch is a good idea. I could get on board with hzflank. reading him through | ||
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On November 05 2013 13:28 Umasi wrote: it's an association read :| Just from the opening post, again. Here, I'll defer to everyone I guess. ##unvote: vanesco thoughts on him still haven't changed, but it's pretty clear he won't be lynched today, and I might just be dead wrong. Still think sylencias town though. you think I'm getting lynched? | ||
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therefore, you must think it is realistic that I will be lynched? what reasons do you have for me being scum? point out something besides rayn's case. | ||
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I don't consider myself unlynchable, but you are not talking logically. I have 3 votes. 1 more than people with 2 votes. Saying I have "the most votes" is like a marketing tactic. | ||
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My initial impression was that hzflank was slight town because he was doing a lot of planning and public thinking, things that I normally associate with towniness, but that is not super indicative of much. I thought his case on Sn0 was very poor in terms of logic. On November 05 2013 08:15 hzflank wrote: + Show Spoiler + On November 05 2013 01:17 Sn0_Man wrote: Can WoS post this actively as scum? Not a fan of his take on the game so far. I assume that by 'his take on the game' you mean his reads? Well you know that disagreeing with someone's reads does not make them scum. You also fail to say which reads or why you disagree with them. Additionally, WoS's reads changed a bit before he read Gumshoe's post, but not between that and you making your post. 1.) So, you think WoS might be scum, but your reason that you state for that is not based on the exchange between WoS and Gumshoe. But if you think that WoS is scum then I would think that you would at least reference their exchange for one reason or another. On November 05 2013 01:44 Sn0_Man wrote: "Hey guys i'm super excited I rolled scum which I never do. OHBOYOHBOYOHBOY" -WoS Iunno. Doesn't feel like the WoS I've played with. I'll let it develop. In other news, much desire to lynch Onegu. A) he's always scum B) I never catch/suspect him. Here you give an additional reason for thinking that WoS is scum, which is purely a meta reason. It's not really a meta reason that can be questioned either, as you are basing it on a feeling. 2.) It's one thing to call someone scum without a good reason, or to call someone scum but not follow up in it. But to do both at the same time? Is there a point to doing it that I am missing? Then when you move on, you happen to move onto Onegu who is the exact person that WoS thinks is scum. If you feel uncomfortable with WoS, then you should also feel uncomfortable with wanting to lynch the same person that he wants to lynch. On the other hand, your reasons for desiring to lynch Onegu are a joke. If you were completely joking (about wanting to lynch Onegu, not the reasons) then my previous paragraph becomes void. It also means everything you posted was pointless (attack WoS, get response so use joke to detatch). Moving on to Sno's exchange with OO: On November 05 2013 05:25 Sn0_Man wrote: You are like, incredibly desperate to justify yourself. If you weren't so uptight I'd be leaving it alone. Actually I was leaving it alone ur the one pushing it lol. 3.) Snoman very casually removes himself from the discussion. If Snoman wanted information on OO then this was his time to do so, but it just seems like Snoman actually wants to run away. I don't care how little confidence you have in your D1 reads, if you twice have the chance to question your scum reads directly and twice decide to distance yourself from them instead then you do not really think that they are scum. ##vote: Sno_man 1.) hzflank calls Sn0 bad for not mentioning an exchange btwn WoS and gum. This a poor point because Sn0 simply states that he is "not a fan of [WoS's] take on the game"; that could include that exchange btwn WoS and gum. 2.) hzflank claims that Sn0 man is both calling someone scum without a good reason and not following up on it. This is a poor point because says "Doesn't feel like the WoS I've played with. I'll let it develop", which does not sound like him calling WoS scum. It clearly is stating that Sn0 wants more information before deciding. hzflank misrepresents Sn0 here. Sn0's comment on Onegu is null, yet hzflank implies that because it is a joke everything else is Sn0 has done is pointless. I feel that that is a misrepresentation once again; while I don't think Sn0 has been substantive in his posts, just because he jokes around about Onegu doesn't mean everything he's said is bull shit. 3.) I agree that Sn0's post here is weird, but of the three points hzflank makes, this is the only that has merit in my opinion. While I still think Sn0 is scummy (sidelined for the moment), it's not uncommon for scum to make cases on scum (myself on Onegu in Hogwarts). The case doesn't feel right/genuine. While his read on Umasi has decent logic, the vote on Umasi is essentially dead at this point. He has been noticbly absent for quite some time now; he is from the UK though. I think it's better than a no-lynch, and I think there's a chance a decent chance he's scum. ##Vote: hzflank | ||
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On November 06 2013 04:52 Umasi wrote: Why didn't you recognize the problems with it RIGHT THEN now I'm actually afk. I made a mistake. I misinterpreted thrawn's filter. I spent a small amount of time reading his meta and made a mistake. Can you say you've even read my meta? | ||
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rayn you're straight up lying now. I've talked about serval people not just thrawn. You're clearly just tunneling now | ||
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Onegu get in here or get replaced | ||
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