EPTWill start reading in a sec, but since it's 4-2 why are we not no lynching? I guess I'll find that out in a bit...
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Sylencia
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Will start reading in a sec, but since it's 4-2 why are we not no lynching? I guess I'll find that out in a bit... | ||
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Sylencia why should we no-lynch, what do we gain? | ||
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On November 13 2013 06:09 Sn0_Man wrote: I had scumreads d3? this is news to me. I barely managed to skim the thread lol. When I wrote that post I thought that syl was probably a better lynch than vanesco, based on skim. Seems like a reasonable play as either alignment considering Umasi's obviously town... I considered how it would reflect on rayn and I've decided it doesn't help read him at all. In other news I read Syl and I don't see evidence for him being scum. I don't see any for him being town either though, its kinda messed up. Tunnelling Cephiro ALL GAME LONG seemed reasonable as either alignment. The swap onto "RAYN AND THRAWN SCUM HUEHUEHUE" seems equally dumb as either alignment. This games dum. What, when did I even say rayn was scum? Did you read what I wrote -_- --Rather late, since I haven't been around but D2 votes were rayn/wos -- On November 13 2013 07:10 Sn0_Man wrote: Well koshi was indeed town. People seem to disagree, but at 4:2 the correct play here is to no-lynch. Barring that, Koshi's death means that syl and hopeless are both almost certainly scum. Last night's blue role CAN SAFELY CLAIM NOW since dying to silver bullet merely removes our no-lynch option, which is IMO worth less than a check would be. Plus you will be alive all day today and have a lynch vote. If the blue role claims, no-lynch is no longer an option. Actually, no-lynch seems scary now that I think about a blue-vig possibility. OK. no no-lynch after all. ##Vote: Hopeless1der I guess that explains my previous question. Actually, game state is horrible since there can be the double blue-shot attempt and we'd be down to 2-2(loss)/2-1(lylo) if they hit. I now regret my decision in skipping playing yesterday =[ On November 13 2013 07:28 Sn0_Man wrote: I want to lynch Hopeless and Syl. I don't really care which since they are both scum. Rayn could be (that suspicion keeps getting stronger) but I'm ignoring that since even if he is there must be another scum out there. Literally nobody else can be scum (I have a green pm, you can't be scum, thats the entire thread). The only good reasons I have for them to be scum (apart from EchelonTee and vanesco tag-teaming shit like pushing you day 1, voting me d2, etc) is process of elimination. Any point you can put on me (too lazy to scumhunt) applies to hopeless in fucking spades. Syl has been off in lala land all game apparently thats more townie than having fun with the game d1, doing my best to discuss onegu day 2, actually voting for scum d3, etc... You guys are all so out of touch because scum kept whispering "sno is scum" in the thread till people believed it for NO REASON. Koshi himself said (and he's conftown) that I afk most weekends you can't lynch me for that. Note how he got killed because Koshi was the single person most against my lynch in the whole thread. The evidence was so strong, and the fact he was dodging me the entire game while saying "he'd respond to accusations asap" wasn't exactly helping. @Thrawn re: Hopeless lynch on D2 - my strong Ceph tunnel truly began then. Pretty crippling to my image since I could've spent that time being a bit more open minded, but what's done is done. Tbh: I have nothing much else to present, feel free to ask me questions since it's all I can do to stop myself from throwing the game further. I'll say that between Hopeless and Sn0, Hopeless is 100% more scummy than sn0 considering his 'we've already won' attitude from the night onwards. I'm town and logically the 2 scum would be Hopeless and sn0, yet it doesn't even seem that clear to me that that is the right answer. @Rayn: yeah nah, no lynch no go | ||
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##Vote hopeless1der | ||
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First: On November 04 2013 16:05 Vanesco wrote: These are the points I agree with mostly. Since currently Umasi is my biggest scum read he would be my first lynch and then I would look more closely anybody who I think sheep'd in. I do not really agree on your point WoS that the first person I pressure in the game has to have my vote. I did not get a scum read from him, therefore I did not vote. I think this is a fucking scumslip and i hate myself for not paying attention and not lynching Vanesco on D1. If you are lynching your scumread you assume they are going to flip scum. Why would you then "closely look into people who sheeped you" on Umasi lynch..? rofl. I don't think his reads on D1 mean anything because what scum say about other people do not tell anything about their alignment. But here are his reads on syl/ET/sno at some point on D1: Syl: As mentioned before, don't like strategy talk, which since his filter is so short, he seems to bring up alot which rubs me personally the wrong way but his reads have seemed ok to me so far (eg. reads on cephiro's play). Overall null. sno_man: Coming into this I am very cautious because he seems to be one of the people everybody is jumping on. He seems to want to lynch Onegu near the start because he cannot read him (terrible accusation). He has a very carefree attitude and he hasn't really given any real reads in my opinion. I am worried however that scum might tag along the sno train to lynch town. I have a null read on him atm but that is because he hasn't really said anything. No matter what his affiliation is, I think he is playing without care of the game. Echelon: He was one of my top 2 town reads before and he still is. He is asking good appropriate questions and is making good sense to me. Everything in my last post about him still stands. Does not comment on my ET after that, which is weird he is not defending his "townread". Vote on thrawn, says nothing. Then he says this: On November 06 2013 00:32 Vanesco wrote: Ok, back (for an hour or so). Echelon has been one of my most townie reads for a large majority of this game. I agree with his point that the second time that thrawn votes ryan it is not given reason as to why really. Yes it seems more like pressure but I think its possible he just misinterpreted that. The rest of the points seem to more about meta game things, which since I know none of you I can't get too involved in that. However the accusations on the meta seem very weak to me. I do only agree that maybe his case on gumshoe is fairly weak. Just because somebody shows effort and contribution by making a long post does not mean they cannot be scum, however the way I read it is that he thinks gumshoe is at least providing more pro town content than thrawn. It seems that there has been no real agreement on a target and as such I still think thrawn is the best vote. I will try to come online during work near the post deadline to see if anything sways my opinion, and since I will be on my phone and short pressed on time, I will give any vote changes reasoning once I return home. That's a weird defense on ET with some defending on gumshoe too.. Again attacking thrawn but not really pushing the lynch. Then he analyses the D1 votes for the rest of the game. Reaching into conclusion that Sno and Umasi are scum. And there is nothing more, he excuses Hopeless from the analysis because he was replaced (lol is that even a reason to do so). On D3 he uses WoS' reads before his flip as a reasoning for strengthen his scumreads on Sno and Umasi. Meh.. i don't really know what conclusions to draw from that. | ||
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I would like you to make cases on your top 2 scumreads. | ||
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On November 06 2013 04:52 EchelonTee wrote: I think hzflank is a decent choice. My initial impression was that hzflank was slight town because he was doing a lot of planning and public thinking, things that I normally associate with towniness, but that is not super indicative of much. I thought his case on Sn0 was very poor in terms of logic. 1.) hzflank calls Sn0 bad for not mentioning an exchange btwn WoS and gum. This a poor point because Sn0 simply states that he is "not a fan of [WoS's] take on the game"; that could include that exchange btwn WoS and gum. 2.) hzflank claims that Sn0 man is both calling someone scum without a good reason and not following up on it. This is a poor point because says "Doesn't feel like the WoS I've played with. I'll let it develop", which does not sound like him calling WoS scum. It clearly is stating that Sn0 wants more information before deciding. hzflank misrepresents Sn0 here. Sn0's comment on Onegu is null, yet hzflank implies that because it is a joke everything else is Sn0 has done is pointless. I feel that that is a misrepresentation once again; while I don't think Sn0 has been substantive in his posts, just because he jokes around about Onegu doesn't mean everything he's said is bull shit. 3.) I agree that Sn0's post here is weird, but of the three points hzflank makes, this is the only that has merit in my opinion. While I still think Sn0 is scummy (sidelined for the moment), it's not uncommon for scum to make cases on scum (myself on Onegu in Hogwarts). The case doesn't feel right/genuine. While his read on Umasi has decent logic, the vote on Umasi is essentially dead at this point. He has been noticbly absent for quite some time now; he is from the UK though. I think it's better than a no-lynch, and I think there's a chance a decent chance he's scum. ##Vote: hzflank Why is it that when I read his reasoning I can't see this from a town perspective? Case 2 suggests he is simply isolating points based on the quote which is being referred to - since the first quote has a clear undertone suggesting sn0 felt WoS was scummy. Looking at that post, and then seeing he says On November 06 2013 04:57 EchelonTee wrote: I will not be around at deadline, but if a vote switch is needed I should be able to do that by phone. Which doesn't even make him seem like he believed his case, and was simply going with the flow the entire time (hz was equal with him at the time I believe in votes) His switch to gumshoe doesn't really sit well either, it's like he was waiting to see if there would be a scrambled bandwagon to jump on, seeing as how page 3 of his filter he doesn't see gumshoe being scum. That's what I saw from ET's filter. Hopeless as far as I can remember hasn't actually done anyting this game, I'll read his filter in a sec | ||
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Also, doesn't it raise red flags when you read his filter and there's no actual written case against me, it's dumped all on sn0, and yet he votes for me? Potential reasoning: Based on his overconfident behaviour, he's sure he's able to get the final mislynch off before they win which means exposing sn0 doesn't actually mean jack. | ||
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On November 14 2013 21:28 thrawn2112 wrote: I dont know if it is since I bullied hopeless into his sylencia vote Yeah i know but no townies should get bullied into any vote however confirmed town the bully is. | ||
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sn0 and syl both want hopeless dead hopeless doesn't care who dies out of sn0 and syl imo that makes hopeless more townie? idk. | ||
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Then Sno said he doesn't care which one of Syl/Hopeless dies... Then this. The best thing is if all of those three make a fucking cases on each other and then we look at who is faking shit and who is not and if some case is good we lynch the target. Fucking "i don't care because both are scum" doesn't work in this situation because all of them can say so easily. | ||
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^^^^ that unvote has nothing to do with who I think is mafia... I think I'd just rather not show that card till much later | ||
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Now this game turned into "who is accusing who" which will not resutl into anything good because they all just need to call each other scum. I WANNA KNOW WHY WHY WHY! | ||
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