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ObviousOne
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On November 05 2013 12:47 Umasi wrote: am I misunderstanding what you just said? One of the things I dislike about Vanesco is his attempt to stop discussion about coven powers. am I misinterpreting what you just wrote or did you misinterpret what I said? second scum read=echelontee third scum read=Sn0 Still watching rayn. Yeah I think I misunderstood your post a bit but really this response is what I was looking for. Just some justifications for each would be helpful. Also since sn0 is there what would it take to get a vote out of you for him? | ||
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ObviousOne
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your speedy bemused response to my wos post not sure which post you're talking about here, i have a lot of posts. I don't see anything responding directly to you so you'll have to link. Speedy/Bemused are likely to come from town or mafia? Town OO has nobody's back to cover / names to remember, everything is organic. I am personally more likely to make off the cuff remarks as town and less likely as scum, you can check my past games which are in my profile if you wish to verify. the early desire to remain exceedingly neutral that I pointed to a wall of text ago Exceedingly neutral, I'm guessing you mean the post in the early hours of the game where I said something about letting people warm up to playing the game before going all-out with accusations? I don't see how that's scummy unless you're going to bite me for a wait-and-see attitude a few hours into the game. the lack of suspicion from everyone despite the fact that your posting has been mediocre I must be doing SOMETHING right if I'm not under heavy suspicion. The first tenet of being town is to establish innocence. The second tenet of being town is to not get lynched. The third tenet of being town is that once the first two are met, you might find scum. ♥Palmar♥ Why should my style be more suspicious than hiding in the shadows? I am genuinely interested in playing and if you do the meta you can see I'm not bullshitting about being askeered to post as mafia. I mentioned it in the scum QT for Aperture Episode 2, even. and lastly your dangerously goofy / : in regards to sno he's pretty much a straight up lurker, I rather lunch onegu because if he's scum it basically clears wos and his posting so far has been highly toxic and pretty much useless If he's just a straight up lurker, it's Day 1 and we have no Vig so on top of my points against Sn0 you are demonstrating that it may be necessary to lynch him to remove all doubt. | ||
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ObviousOne
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On November 05 2013 13:09 Sylencia wrote: Has he done anything since last night to further strengthen your scum read on him? As I said before, I don't really agree with what he's said that much but I can see the train of thought behind it. The contributions which you've provided is just a weak case on Vanesco and continuing to push it. That said, ET's filter looks pretty horrendous as it can be summed up as so: Vanesco looks null to scummy because it didn't match Newbie Mafia L (weak) thrawn posted a list of players who had posted but wasn't advocating lurker lynch (weak) Nothing else has been said really... Tbh at the moment ET's filter is really sticking out like a sore thumb to me the more I think about it, since the rest of his posts look like really weak attempts at looking townie :| ##vote EchelonTee Continuing on to more reading... First point I agree is weak. Shit's gonna change from game to game as either alignment and Vanesco is also new to TL Mafia and jumped from newbie to normal game in 1 game. I imagine it's somewhat of a culture shock but I don't know what site he came from. Second point looks to be a clarification of intent at Thrawn. Actually the last post is pretty weird. ET isn't new to mafia. Does he realize that talking at lurkers accomplishes nothing? Rofl. Prevailing opinion is that ET's scumminess should start to become evident when he begins playing. So he can either begin playing or get lynched. | ||
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On November 06 2013 07:06 Cephiro wrote: .... Yeah. Call me stupid for not stubbornly going against the majority. Well, at least I showed fellow town I'm ready to co-operate even if I don't completely agree on something. Not sure if that's a good or a bad thing to be honest. Also I'm gonna go sleep right now to get my rhythm fixed, I'm tired. I'll respond all the "lolcephhammer" -accusations that will surely come in the morning. dislike dislike dislike dislike dislike dislike dislike dislike dislike dislike dislike dislike | ||
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ObviousOne
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On November 06 2013 08:23 thrawn2112 wrote: hey OO since you weren't here for lynch I'd like you to give us a rundown on how you think the lynch went down and what if any scum influence you think there might have been that caused it Ya, just doing my vote count thing at the moment. I'll hit that up next. Also @Sn0: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/T5IhQuq.jpg) | ||
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On November 04 2013 11:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: Looking the playerlist you are the guy i can work with the best. I can't read OO for shit. I hope Cephiro does not do dumb stuff like he did in Hogwarts. Lurk Sylencia = lynch, otherwise idk Sn0dude played really well in Hogwarts, i except that from him here aswell. gumshoe .... thrawn i misread on Desert until he actually started making sense, hope he does that too here Umasi was good in some game as town i think? Says nothing = lynch Onegu is tricky, damn he was tricky in Hogwarts. A guy to read closely. ET is town or scum at last N1, based purely on Hogwarts. hzflank i can read. Vanesco noob, no idea. contribute or die. and yeah, that's it. Is sn0 meeting your expectations? | ||
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ET found a way to call Ceph scummy and then backtrack on it. Clicky | ||
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On November 06 2013 10:01 thrawn2112 wrote: Can you explain what this is? Have you been doing whatever it is? Was thinking about choosing one person and discussing things as I'd we were confirmed town to one another (until extreme evidence of scumminess manifested through activity) in the interests of facilitating some discussion but I decided nobody would really want to read. So no. I modified it to just trying to have rational discussions but that doesn't seem to be working either. Well, I guess it sort of worked that way with gumshoe but now he's fucking dead =[ | ||
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On November 05 2013 15:48 EchelonTee wrote: I think this a pretty good point. Sn0 just seems "not here". He has had plenty of time to formulate opinions. His presence feels really floaty; it reminds me of scum players who skirt the edge; noticeable enough to not be called out for lurking, but not noticeable enough to be forced to give out concrete reads. There is a promise to develop reads, but there is nothing shown in thread. It's understandable that Day 1 reads are not the best, but to me it feels like Sn0 is putting in absolutely no effort to provide legitimate reads. I agree with other people's sentiments that this post is very strange. Sn0's post feels like one that is shrinking away. While it is true that some scum players are comfortable with arguing, the baseline idea is that scum have inherent guilt and would rather avoid confrontation. I would be fine with a Sn0 lynch if Thrawn cannot happen. Sn0 care to respond to this? If you think he's full of shit too why aren't you calling him scum? | ||
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On November 06 2013 12:47 thrawn2112 wrote: nah i'm cool on hzflank for now.. imo gumshoe was dead as soon as he made that last minute vote. SO WoS what do you think about sylencia and obviousone? I think obviousone started out ok but he's not kept it up, and his latest contribution wasn't really a contribution, he just threw some names out (ceph/et) for other people to pick up on. I asked him to give his opinion on what happened during the lynch and that's the best he can come up with? Apart from that group (syl/OO/rayn) there's nobody I can see being mafia, save maybe Onegu and I don't feel like looking into him will be all that useful until after he returns from afk-land. Eh, there is also Umasi but I felt OK about his play in the hours leading up to the lynch. sorry bro I just bought teemo in league i was kill stealing for a couple hours rofl | ||
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ObviousOne
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On November 06 2013 13:43 thrawn2112 wrote: What do you think about the lynch? What do you think went on during D1, what was the scum team up to? I'm on page 27 of the re-read. Right now I'm seeing that there's still no call for consolidation and people are still generating "cases" and voting their scum reads. Lots of echoes that Sn0 is scummy, and after WoS takes a stand that he's not voting Sn0 it seems like Sn0 completely fell off the table. I guess it's possible that it's because Sn0 showed up not that long after I went to sleep. Anyway, there's definitely a power vacuum going on by page 27, nobody is taking control temporarily to get things on track for an effective lynch. You can decide for yourself who you think those players might be in your own opinion; I probably would have continued repeating myself regarding Sn0 because I didn't see anything in his filter regarding why exactly I'm scum. We basically let him get away with being a lazy fuck. | ||
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ObviousOne
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On November 05 2013 17:47 thrawn2112 wrote: The list: I was not making a list of who isn't lurking with the promise to attack lurkers. I wasn't even making a list of anti-lurkers. I was making a list of anyone who (including lurkers, obviously) wasn't committing to conversation. So the people not on the list includes both lurkers and people like yourself, who at the time I didn't feel like they'd done anything meaningful. The list even included some people who were borderline lurking but at least had made some type of impression on me. The only purpose of such a list is to hopefully intimidate people not on the list to dip their toes farther into the water. Rayn vote: If you've really gone through my town games like you appear to then you should see my rayn vote is very much like something I'd do. And you're wrong, I do give my reasoning and I do not regret having my vote on rayn. I think if you read all of my posts about rayn then you can see a clear progression of my read. Everything else: Sorry I just don't take the game seriously 100% of the time, especially when I'm bored. LOL btw I looked at one of my cases you linked as evidence of how I can write a serious case, and one of my points against prom was that he wasn't being my friend. That whole post was kinda trollish, I'm kinda wondering why you used that as an example because there are probably a lot better ones to pick from. With you claiming to have done meta research on me yet you can't see my rayn vote coming from a town thrawn makes me think you went looking into my meta already knowing the outcome of your results. Woah was he serious on your tits about the list early in the game? I thought it was fine, then again I may have felt that way initially because I was on it so yeehaw, whatever. Stupid thing to get hung up on. Your last point about meta is interesting, ET looked into your meta this game? Did he justify exactly the characteristics of a town Thrawn and how they apply to making a case on Rayn? Anyone can say they did the meta, but I prefer a demonstration because typically meta is used incorrectly anyway and I find it fun to laugh at it when that happens. In any case, correct or not, seeing the full explanation would be good. Also to respond to your previous question I'm developing scummy feelings coming from ET but I'll flesh that out after I finish coming through the thread again. | ||
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On November 05 2013 17:52 EchelonTee wrote: You said you would focus on them, but I don't see any focus on you. I did not do intensive meta research. I skimmed your posts, but did not skim rayn's posts. If I missed some huge, obvious interaction that shows that you must be town and rayn believes so, I could back off for now. There might've been better examples but I'm not going to spend hours poring over your meta. I picked the first example I saw that looked like a real case. I don't see you making any real cases and your excuse is that you're bored. I don't know the point of trying harder if it's clear that you don't really care and are too bored to play. If you think I am scum, please state so instead of lightly insinuating it. I'd like to know who you want to lynch, if you're not too bored to say something of use. Oh there it is ROFL Yeah No. | ||
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On November 06 2013 00:32 Vanesco wrote: Ok, back (for an hour or so). Echelon has been one of my most townie reads for a large majority of this game. I agree with his point that the second time that thrawn votes ryan it is not given reason as to why really. Yes it seems more like pressure but I think its possible he just misinterpreted that. The rest of the points seem to more about meta game things, which since I know none of you I can't get too involved in that. However the accusations on the meta seem very weak to me. I do only agree that maybe his case on gumshoe is fairly weak. Just because somebody shows effort and contribution by making a long post does not mean they cannot be scum, however the way I read it is that he thinks gumshoe is at least providing more pro town content than thrawn. It seems that there has been no real agreement on a target and as such I still think thrawn is the best vote. I will try to come online during work near the post deadline to see if anything sways my opinion, and since I will be on my phone and short pressed on time, I will give any vote changes reasoning once I return home. Reals? That's pretty strong language for a day 1. Second bold: Starting to see the call for consolidation but it's buried in this mega paragraph. Left his vote parked and came in during the aftermath to start dissecting how things went down at the end of the day. On November 06 2013 11:57 Vanesco wrote: Don't get me wrong thrawn, I'm not putting any blame on you. I just posted that it is very coincidental and should be taken note off. The fact that you think I'm blaming you I think is more to do with the fact that you probably expect some type of blame to be put on you because you were the first to post the voting bus on gumshoe and that I also gave you as my biggest scum read. I'll try to summarize my first post in much shorter words. The vote seems rushed and rushed usually means a good time for scum to start jumping, therefore I feel like at least 1 vote should have come from scum. The interaction that took place should be noted off because of how coincidental it seems. Everybody who voted on gumshoe should give reasons why. Doesn't blame thrawn, just casually pointing out that thrawn started the "voting bus" on gumshoe. I'll let that sink in. How often do you think the word bus at town? | ||
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On November 06 2013 02:50 Sn0_Man wrote: EXCEPT in frustration. Which is what I said. Onegu didnt read like he was frustrated so much to me iunno. I'll give you that it sounded different when I read it again in his filter. At least thrawns here I can sheep somebody. "like he was frustrated" On November 05 2013 05:14 Sn0_Man wrote: you didn't sound mad you sounded afraid. "sounded afraid" Is this what passes as scum hunting to you Sn0? | ||
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On November 06 2013 03:51 EchelonTee wrote: pros to no lynch - potential (not-guaranteed) extra day of three blues scum has 1 extra target cons - less information than a lynch (a lynch gives more information than a no-lynch, self-explanatory) 0 chance of killing scum I don't think we will have more direction tomorrow unless we get extremely lucky dodging bullets and making good actions. I don't think a no-lynch is a good idea. I could get on board with hzflank. reading him through This sounds in my head like "He's not scum with me so that's cool." God I really want to lynch ET right now. | ||
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On November 06 2013 14:28 thrawn2112 wrote: I don't think I buy this at all... refer to my above post and get back to me. If you want to call ET scum then go ahead and do it instead of posting a quote here, a snide comment there. you can't tell me what to do you're not my real dad | ||
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