EPTOn November 04 2013 23:22 Onegu wrote:
@ET I have now said sorry twice :p
@ET I have now said sorry twice :p
didn't open with sorry and nothing though
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On November 04 2013 23:33 WaveofShadow wrote:Random thought/stream-of-consciousness (since I was reading hzflank's setup analysis which I liked): Would it ever be worth it to simply claim blue roles during the day? Yes we will lose someone immediately I suppose but is that an acceptable risk if it means we can track role usage (assuming no mis-elections I suppose)? It may not be worth it I guess if we fuck up bad and elect multiple scum since they can lie about getting RBed and implicate a towny in a 2scum 1town election scenario---yeah come to think of it I think it all falls apart if we fuck up and elect scum since they can lie about checks as well, and the nature of the checks makes it a hell of a lot easier to lie (regarding something like Blaspheme, for example). What the fuck? You are suggesting that a blue should claim during the day, guaranteeing their death by blue-vig? Are you insane or scum? | ||
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Thrawn looks bad I agree. On November 04 2013 12:47 thrawn2112 wrote: i'm out for a bit...fairly bland start so far PSA: it is Nov 04 2013 which means I'm wearing a special hat for special people so I will likely NOT be sober at any given moment over the next 24-ish hrs I don't see anything blatantly scummy atm, but I do want to throw this list out there: rayn WoS Sylencia OO Vanesco Umasi if you aren't on this list then that means you either haven't posted, or you haven't posted anything memorable and as such you will be who I focus on first upon returning to the thread. I don't understand how a townsman would write a list of all the active people in thread, with a promise of pursuing lurkers, then proceed to not pursue anything. | ||
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On November 05 2013 08:38 hzflank wrote: Sigh, missed this. Why is it so important for Syl to answer your question about blue roles? I mean, that is the least important type of question that someone could ignore. What were you expecting to get out of Syl? That was the very beginning of the game. I wanted Syl to talk. It did not succeed because apparntly I am supposed to expect that Syl will not respond rationally to questions. | ||
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On November 05 2013 08:02 Cephiro wrote: Aight. That was an interesting read. As for witchpowershiznit, I suggest we claim our votes only, 72 hours after. I've come up with an interesting idea as well. We will claim the votes in order, one at a time. I have an algorhithm based on certain actions in the game that make me very confident in the idea this will work. Also, vote me for blue. I'd like to hear more from players: raynpelikoneet, hzflank, thrawn, Sn0_Man + Myself. ##Vote: WaveOfShadow I find it very strange that your first post of the game does not address many issues. It's quite narrow actually. This contrasts sharply with your play in Liar Game and Hogwarts, where your first posts attacked a lot of people (incorrectly, mind you), but it showed how you were interested in all people as possible suspects. | ||
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On November 05 2013 13:09 Sylencia wrote: Has he done anything since last night to further strengthen your scum read on him? As I said before, I don't really agree with what he's said that much but I can see the train of thought behind it. The contributions which you've provided is just a weak case on Vanesco and continuing to push it. That said, ET's filter looks pretty horrendous as it can be summed up as so: Vanesco looks null to scummy because it didn't match Newbie Mafia L (weak) thrawn posted a list of players who had posted but wasn't advocating lurker lynch (weak) Nothing else has been said really... Tbh at the moment ET's filter is really sticking out like a sore thumb to me the more I think about it, since the rest of his posts look like really weak attempts at looking townie :| ##vote EchelonTee Continuing on to more reading... If I was scum, I would be pushing a mislynch on a poor-playing townie because it is extremely easy to do so. My last game as scum I do so ineffectively (but still do), but if you look at any of my previous scum games (liar game, jubjub mafia) you'll see. Since I am town, I am must less sure about my reads. Since the entirety of your case seems to be that I have weak opinions, which is true as it is Day 1, there's nothing more I have to say to you. | ||
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On November 05 2013 14:25 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh and thrawn sitting back and baiting reactions looks like shit honestly. I don't know what responses he was looking for doing that, but to me it appears as though he left the meaning of 'doozy' (positive/negative connotation?) purposefully ambiguous. I think that Thrawn is scum. On November 04 2013 12:47 thrawn2112 wrote: i'm out for a bit...fairly bland start so far PSA: it is Nov 04 2013 which means I'm wearing a special hat for special people so I will likely NOT be sober at any given moment over the next 24-ish hrs I don't see anything blatantly scummy atm, but I do want to throw this list out there: rayn WoS Sylencia OO Vanesco Umasi if you aren't on this list then that means you either haven't posted, or you haven't posted anything memorable and as such you will be who I focus on first upon returning to the thread. He never pursued the people not on his list. I find claiming that you will do something, then not doing it scummy; it looks like you are pursuing leads when you are not actually. On November 04 2013 14:59 thrawn2112 wrote: how's it goin? no, not even thinking about lynching yet. but i'm glad you brought it (lurker lynching) up what do you think about the drama? is it real drama or is it "real" drama? or just distracting and annoying? I thought these questions were strange because they don't serve any purpose. If his purpose was to get me to talk (as when I questioned Syl), he didn't respond to me at all, which makes me wonder why he asked me these. It feels to me like fake activity. On November 05 2013 09:30 thrawn2112 wrote: -rayn - I want to fucking lynch this guy because I know he's capable of doing so much more. I'm not talking about quantity of posts. On November 05 2013 10:56 thrawn2112 wrote: rayn goddammit you cannot play like kushm4sta only kush can do that and still be readable Thrawn votes rayn but never really explains why. Does not quote rayn or outline his reasoning. Yet he wants to "fucking lynch him". This does not feel like a real scum read to me. On November 05 2013 13:17 thrawn2112 wrote: haha that syl vote for ET is a doozy aint it I don't like posts like this that don't say anything. It doesn't feel like thrawn has an actual read on Syl and is just commenting on the current topic for some activity. A brief filter of analysis of Thrawn's previous two games, Desert Mini and British Empire Mini corroborate my views. Posts like these outline clear reasons why Thrawn views there's players as scum and show an intent to scumhunt. In this game, he has done a lot of lists and lightly push rayn for a lack of activity. I think there is a stark contrast. ##Vote: Thrawn2112 | ||
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On November 05 2013 12:32 ObviousOne wrote: Like I just mentioned a couple posts ago, I'm drawing parallels between what Sn0 is doing and what WoS is doing, but WoS is actually here. Doesn't seem inquisitive enough to me for a town WoS but I didn't read the beginning of the Les Mafia game so I don't know how he opens up and if it will even be applicable given that it's a single game. I think this a pretty good point. Sn0 just seems "not here". He has had plenty of time to formulate opinions. His presence feels really floaty; it reminds me of scum players who skirt the edge; noticeable enough to not be called out for lurking, but not noticeable enough to be forced to give out concrete reads. On November 05 2013 03:58 Sn0_Man wrote: Well I don't have a nice blue role this game to claim and be conftown but w/e. This is more or less my day 1  I promise I'm developing reads and thinking about the game, just not at a rate that provides anything interesting to town right now. I try to gather data with a more or less null read on everybody so as to be objective, then study the data once I feel like its enough for a "read". There is a promise to develop reads, but there is nothing shown in thread. It's understandable that Day 1 reads are not the best, but to me it feels like Sn0 is putting in absolutely no effort to provide legitimate reads. On November 05 2013 05:25 Sn0_Man wrote: You are like, incredibly desperate to justify yourself. If you weren't so uptight I'd be leaving it alone. Actually I was leaving it alone ur the one pushing it lol. I agree with other people's sentiments that this post is very strange. Sn0's post feels like one that is shrinking away. While it is true that some scum players are comfortable with arguing, the baseline idea is that scum have inherent guilt and would rather avoid confrontation. I would be fine with a Sn0 lynch if Thrawn cannot happen. | ||
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On November 05 2013 11:52 Cephiro wrote: Yes, I have several reads that I don't think are worth sharing. Do you think it's useful if I told my opinions on every player in the game, even if half of them would be nullreads? A read could be a townread, scumread, or a nullread, or anything between. Why should I concentrate on telling the thread that "Guiz, I'm not sure if X is town or scum"? There is no point for a town to do that. It doesn't provide anything to go by. I don't give a shit if you're unsure about someone. Come and tell me when you think that he's either town or scum. Preferably when he's scum, unless you have a good reason for defending someone to be town without 100% knowing their alignment. Cephiro's view in this game compared to Hogwarts just seems so different, where he shared a bunch of views freely. Look here. It's just so starkly different that I can't get it out of my mind. I also don't like his case on WoS because it's an oldschool example of point-by-point-analysis (PBPA); he doesn't effectively show WoS is scum, he just takes every post and bashes on them. | ||
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On November 05 2013 14:46 EchelonTee wrote: I find it very strange that your first post of the game does not address many issues. It's quite narrow actually. This contrasts sharply with your play in Liar Game and Hogwarts, where your first posts attacked a lot of people (incorrectly, mind you), but it showed how you were interested in all people as possible suspects. My memory was wrong on Liar Game (Cephiro did not open with a big multiperson post), but my point still stands on the difference between Hogwarts and this game. | ||
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On November 05 2013 16:17 WaveofShadow wrote: ET you don't find Onegu scummy in the slightest? Why are you absolutely set on thrawn? I don't find Onegu scummier than Sn0 or Thrawn. I am set on Thrawn because he is my biggest scum read for the reasons I mentioned. Respond to my post if you think I am reaching. | ||
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On November 05 2013 17:30 thrawn2112 wrote: onegu is town methinks EchelonTee is there anything you want to talk about respond to my case. since you yourself stated that you prefer to be the center of attention. | ||
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