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On November 13 2013 20:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Sylencia seems to be both of Sno's & Hopeless' #2 for scum. hmm..
yeah that's what i was thinking.
assuming one or both of you+onegu isn't scum lol
one of hope/sn0 is scum. do you think both of them could be scum? if not do you think either of them would be going for a bus or a mislynch today?
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I read sylencia's entire filter last night. Sn0 was right about syl's posts being forgettable, it's a boring fucking read. The only thing I came away with is that he goes on and on and on about things that aren't relevant to scumhunting, and when he does stay on topic he doesn't reach conclusions. I looked through a small amount of his meta, not enough mind you, but based on the meta and my memory of games I've played with him his boring filter is not much of a tell. The only thing that really caught my interest was the backtracking on his D1 ET scumread into D2 where he started off saying he would want to lynch hopeless so that hopeless can't wriggle out of the mess ET made, but then he proceeds to call the hopeless lynch unlikely and not worth talking about. Other than that all the rest is stuff about Cephero and really boring non scumhunty stuff.
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On November 13 2013 20:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: If Sno and Hopeless are both scum lynching one of them today will not in any case buy them town credit imo. That's why.
What is your opinion of H's megapost and subsequent posts
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On November 13 2013 20:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Sylencia seems to be both of Sno's & Hopeless' #2 for scum. hmm..
well this isn't completely accurate. both of them are saying that syl is scum as much as their other scum read but yeah neither of them wanted to kill syl first. so if you and onegu are both town, and if I assume that neither of them would want to buss today then lynching sylencia first is the only reasonable option
i need to think about those assumptions
how fucked is it that sn0 and hopeless both went for each other. that's just goddamned annoying
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ok i will do the same at some point today.
in addition to rereading those filters you need to reread your night action pm from N2
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##unvote ##vote sylencia
syl let me if you're gonna be here for an extended amount of time, i wanna chat
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On November 14 2013 02:48 Hopeless1der wrote: rayn/thrawn/umasi am I going to need to explain why Sn0 is scum again? Or does his defense post do that for you?
i'm kinda tired of being the middle man for every single conversation. i'd rather you guys work it out
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On November 14 2013 03:12 Hopeless1der wrote: I'd rather you come to the conclusion about Sn0's defense because you are significantly less likely to doubt your own findings.
you have no idea how likely I am to doubt my own findings... look at my voting history from any game. this game as been hard as fuck for me because I was semi-forced (as in I don't want it) into the position of town leader due to me being the loudest voice and I wouldn't be surprised if I'm TLMafia's most indecisive player. I was responsible for the hzflank almost-lynch, I share at least half the fault of the gumshoe lynch with rayn, and I'm probably the most to blame for the onegu lynch since like half the player base straight up said they were going to sheep whatever I decided on D2. there have been moments in D4 where I have believed each of you and sn0, that's why I'm considering just lynching sylencia first. the only problem with that is that I've put lots of work into this game so I'm scared to leave the game deciding decision to whoever might be here if I die, and I'm still not completely sold on rayn or rayn+umasi. the only reason I still consider that last option is because I can point to parts of both yours and sn0's filter that make me think 'no fucking way is this a mafia post.'
yeah this was a pretty useless post by me but eh... I don't really know what to talk about, I really wish that sylencia and umasi would.... you know... play mafia?
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basically fuck errybody I wish hapa was here to tell me what to do
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On November 14 2013 03:14 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2013 02:55 thrawn2112 wrote:On November 14 2013 02:48 Hopeless1der wrote: rayn/thrawn/umasi am I going to need to explain why Sn0 is scum again? Or does his defense post do that for you? i'm kinda tired of being the middle man for every single conversation. i'd rather you guys work it out Hows this gonna work lol our votes are pretty much secured already. Regardless of alignment both of us *must* construe the other one as scum. Whether we lynch Syl first or not is irrelevant. We can't "work it out" we simply have to hope you believe us. There is no world where me and hopeless can end up agreeing (except about lynching syl, which I kinda wonder why we aren't doing tbh). I'm town so I'd assume you'd believe me but I suppose there is a world where hopeless manages to be more persuasive than me.
OK. Assume that rayn/ongeu/me are all town which seems to be what everyone is assuming. That means that there are 2 mafia in you/hope/syl. You and hopeless are both trying to get the other person lynched. If I also assume that whichever of you and hopeless is scum are NOT trying to buss and ARE trying to mislynch, that means that sylencia is a guaranteed red lynch.
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On November 14 2013 03:12 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2013 02:55 thrawn2112 wrote:On November 14 2013 02:48 Hopeless1der wrote: rayn/thrawn/umasi am I going to need to explain why Sn0 is scum again? Or does his defense post do that for you? i'm kinda tired of being the middle man for every single conversation. i'd rather you guys work it out well you're kinda the person that needs to be convinced, but anything I say is poisoned already, so I don't know that its in our best interest to let me ramble on about how Sn0 is scum. I don't like his defense, I think its garbage and that it is easy to rip it to shreds. But I basically know he is scum, so that is an easy assessment for me to make. You on the other hand are still wondering which of the 3 of us are the remaining scum. I'd rather you come to the conclusion about Sn0's defense because you are significantly less likely to doubt your own findings.
ok this is honest truth
I liked sn0's defense as much as I liked your case, which was not very much o.0
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another thing both of you need to realize is that the more you post the more evidence everyone else has to look over
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goddammit rayn please just fucking tell me if you're mafia
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OK do you guys want to know how truly fickle and stupid I am?
On November 14 2013 03:33 Hopeless1der wrote: post
On November 14 2013 03:33 Hopeless1der wrote: spam
On November 14 2013 03:34 Hopeless1der wrote: words
i gave you major town points for this
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hey sn0_man, can you explain your town read on umasi? I want to know what you think of him without and with rayn's green check
hopeless you can do it too if you want although you sorta already did
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On November 14 2013 05:32 Sn0_Man wrote: From memory, he pushed vanesco all game and sounded incredibly genuine. Also I've played with him where he played quite similarly as town though I'll admit that isn't too valuable.
can you give me examples of his genuine play because my impression of his play is that the only thing he cared talking about all game was vanesco, he acts very wishy washy and uninterested in talking about anything else. his attitude while pushing vanesco does feel a little bussy because of how it's the only thing he talks about. he doesn't exactly push it, not really. it's more like "ha ha i know who scum is but i will let you guys tear yourselves apart while pretending to care about my scumread"
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On November 13 2013 07:01 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2013 07:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: I voted Umasi/Koshi. Goddamn Hopeless scum over Syl final answer.
hey rayn this post is 100% hopeless town meta
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rayn this game is fucked
Earlier today I was briefly entertaining the notion that rayn+umasi=scum, but that doesn't make any sense considering how wtf rayn's claim would have been. The only reason I have to think rayn is scum is because I thought umasi was, but since I don't think they are both scum I'm going with both town. I reread the case I was going to post about umasi and tbh it's pretty fucking awful. since hope+sn0 both went at each other the right move is voting for sylencia. That's ONLY if I think that a sn0/hope team wouldn't buss each other.... which leads me to ask....
rayn .... can I have your thoughts on a sn0+hopeless? It's pretty fucking weird how both of them decided to focus on the other, neither of them have said very much about sylencia. What is sn0man's motivation for only focusing on hopeless and what is hopeless's motivation for only focusing on sn0man? Why wouldn't either of them, as town, be trying to show us why both sylencia+other guy are mafia? They could have realized that their chances of mislynching sylencia are slim based on all the heat the two of them received during N3, so no matter who they push the remaining guy is gonna need some town cred for D5. If I were scum I'd be bussing the fuck out of my scumbuddy and playing for a later, but safer endgame.
why would sylencia play D4 like this as town? why would sylencia play D4 like this as mafia?
too much wtf in this game
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my deepest fear is that this game is gonna end up with a umasi + scummy guy + scummy guy endgame
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