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Obzy
Profile Joined April 2009
United States525 Posts
November 04 2013 20:56 GMT
#1257
Sorry I haven't been able to post today and it doesn't look like I'm going to really be able to very busy at work and on lunch break atm. In general, I think that Balla/Jonny's posting has been completely on point and agree with the majority of what they have to say. I'm not particularly interested in focusing on Odin for tomorrow's lynch, I would much prefer Storr or owb. I'm also not really that interested in scum pairings, I'd much prefer to focus on just one person at a time - pairing with poofter sounds great, but drawing connections between unflipped players isn't something I really value a terrific amount. That said, obviously the people that could fit in many scumteams and are implicated by poofter's flip are the most likely to flip scum; aka Storr. *shrugs*
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Obzy
Profile Joined April 2009
United States525 Posts
November 04 2013 20:57 GMT
#1259
and yeah I don't want to lynch nyx.
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Obzy
Profile Joined April 2009
United States525 Posts
November 04 2013 23:38 GMT
#1324
On November 05 2013 08:00 StorrZerg wrote:
but regardless there are still people who have yet to break 4 pages...
There is plenty to talk about...
E00e, OWB, nyxnyxnyx, cake , Vonthin, OBZY (i know he is the IC so don't even yell at me for putting him on this)

Don't really care or want to yell at you for this, just figured I'd comment - I'm posting less and reading more because I don't think my opinions are very good, so I'm trying to read more carefully instead of writing. Doesn't apply to non-IC since most people have to consistently show their towniness, but I lucked out. Such is life.

As an aside, the way that you were saying Jonny was a sure nk because it would set you up for lynch would be more believable if July and Van hadn't pointed out Jonny as likely scum, and he wasn't even remotely considered near the second half of day 2 due to the way he began playing. Out of the non-lurkers, you are certainly my preferred candidate to lynch atm; as an aside, saying things like "I don't think anybody [myself excepted] is confirmed town" - while true, technically, it doesn't help at all. If you are mafia, it would be quite bad if there was a reasonably accepted town circle that we could simply lynch outside of, trying to claim that everybody [again, excepting myself] could be the last scum - while true, technically - is just trying to upset the rhythm at the moment. It reminds me a lot of the way that Risen was playing in World Heavyweight Championship, refusing to hold consistent reads that could be directed back at him. Although I may be misremembering, as an observer, it seemed like after each lynch, a full reset of the game occurred [from his perspective].

The fact that you're deciding that a full reset should have had occurred (everybody is scummy) as we head into day 3 perplexes me. Even if you are town, and do happen to be correct, it's still a wrong mindset, in my opinion.
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Obzy
Profile Joined April 2009
United States525 Posts
November 05 2013 00:04 GMT
#1327
Oh also just as a quick aside, if a cop checked someone and got back town, it doesn't confirm them, they could easily be godfather. If a cop checks someone and gets back scum, it confirms them as antitown, and we should lynch without hesitation. (If it was a fakeclaim, then we just lynch the fake-claimer the following day.) --> That said, I think a cop should not check Storr, since if he has confidence asking for a check, if he's scum, he's godfather. And either way, it doesn't confirm him one way or another. *shrug*

And when I said [myself excepted] - I was talking about me, not in your voice :x I don't think you ever implied I was scum.

Last - "looking at the options, where the options are everyone" might as well just be a full reset. There are better lynches than Balla and Jonny at this point. Yes, if it was 2v1 lylo, it would be worth considering everybody. Right now, I don't really think it is. Probably gone until after work~
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Obzy
Profile Joined April 2009
United States525 Posts
November 05 2013 19:36 GMT
#1463
Just a quick post from me for now -

##Vote: Onlywonderboy

I haven't been impressed by him up to this point, some combination of him, Von, and Storr seems most likely, and I don't feel the need to save owb by pushing the other two. I will try to spend a few hours this evening/night digesting the past 20+ pages and giving my thoughts, but I've felt comfortable with the direction things have been going, so I've sat back for a little while now rather than attempting to muddy things up. I don't think my conclusions will be very different than what Balla and Jonny have/had already discussed, but - who knows ^_^;;

(Hehe and now that I hit refresh to make sure I'm not missing anything, Balla is mentioning me. Heyo~)
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Obzy
Profile Joined April 2009
United States525 Posts
November 06 2013 18:28 GMT
#1564
I'm caught up now, although I don't feel like posting much analysis because there's not a terrific amount to say.. At the moment, onlywonderboy is definitely the best lynch; and Storr is definitely the best lynch afterwards if he flips town. If scum, I'm not sure who my preferred lynch would be - maybe Odin?

After reading since the beginning of n1 to current over the past hour and a half or so, I really haven't gotten much of a scum read from Storr and Von. Like, they're scummy... because it makes sense for them to be scum? nyxnyxnyx is too yolo, I don't have much of a scumread on him. Balla has been driving town the entire time, him being scum, I won't even consider unless it was lylo. Cake seems very townie throughout, definitely don't want to kill him.

Yeah I dunno. Things feel like they're going a little too smoothly, but frankly, I'd be very surprised to see owb flip town at this point - and if he properly flips scum, Storr and Von look quite a bit better on d2- and they didn't look particularly awful, to me. They're just the only reasonable "other scum". E00e, nyxnyxnyx, and Odin are... possibilities after owb flips scum, I think I'd prefer to look into the three of them rather than Storr/Von if that occurs.

Lynching Storr after an owb townflip, though, clears up how we should feel about nyxnyxnyx, and many other people are implicated. As such blah blah bad logic,

but I think owb is the best lynch today, however much Storr has been in question throughout. I'm sorta bad so /grains of salt and all and you can tease me after the game, but as of right now, Storr doesn't really seem as bad as I had thought, so I would quietly recommend not lynching him today.

(If OWB flips town, we autolynch him, though.)
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Obzy
Profile Joined April 2009
United States525 Posts
November 06 2013 18:30 GMT
#1565
blah blah disjointed thoughts

tl;dr , lynching OWB today looks like the best idea to me, after re-evaluating the activities of n1 through present.
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Obzy
Profile Joined April 2009
United States525 Posts
November 06 2013 18:52 GMT
#1568
Well, rather than not say anything, under the quite reasonable assumption that you are going to get lynched today basically no matter what, what are your opinions on the people that have pushed you? Have they pushed you in a townie or scummy way? If your goal is only to survive and nothing else, you are likely doomed no matter what. As far as general reads, admittedly, it's probably difficult to come up with anything original at this point. If you have any specific avenues to go down, though, if you flipped town, they'd likely be considered. You haven't really helped town much this game which is why you're going to be lynched today; honestly, I quite doubt that a burst of activity would save you. IMO, the only thing you can do to help town win is to actually sit down and invest some time playing the game; rather than trying to engage people in conversation, do some reading and writing.

In the absence of that, just not saying anything is fine, since you're not going to get out of this lynch. I feel it would be disappointing to yourself afterwards though - assuming a town flip, if you were able to look at your own play and truthfully say: "I was not of (much ^^) use this game, and was mislynched for it."

if you're mafia pls disregard the above and die :> and if you're town and the above sounds sorta harsh, sorry :>
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Obzy
Profile Joined April 2009
United States525 Posts
November 07 2013 01:21 GMT
#1590
Yeah at this point all cop checks are guaranteed to be correct [unless there is an sk that took immune to checks that has either not been shooting or has been shooting doctor'd targets, but that's pretty stupid] so checking storr is fine~ assuming we have a cop in the first place, lol

and haha, there have been some pretty awful town throws ^^ we're definitely in a comfortable position though~
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Obzy
Profile Joined April 2009
United States525 Posts
November 07 2013 01:53 GMT
#1608
I completely agree with your post several, storr - like, it's basically exactly the way I've been thinking throughout today.
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Obzy
Profile Joined April 2009
United States525 Posts
November 07 2013 03:58 GMT
#1625
Regarding RB fakeclaims, we're sort of getting into "well... but what if..." territory. Anyone except myself could be the remaining scum, and if we ran into a LYLO situation, everyone (except myself, and confirmed cop checks- that is to say, where we have flipped a cop after he has claimed someone was town) should be considered. At the moment, though, I think it's reasonable to assume that the RB claims are both legitimate, and that E00e and Balla are both town as a result.

Like, I agree with your conclusion in the post above, Balla, but there will be a way that E00e could have a reason to fake-claim an RB that day. It may not be a good reason, and I don't think it happens, but it's certainly possible.

Focusing on Odin and nyxnyxnyx next sounds like the best idea to me, because nyx has opted out of town discussion by tunneling Storr - Storr is likely town due to onlywonderboy interactions - so under this assumption, nyx is incorrect in his tunnel. He hasn't been considered heavily, because the manner of his tunneling wasn't something that I'd reasonably expect a scum player to do. Odin, then, is likely the last scum largely due to process of elimination, everybody else has favorable interactions with flipped players, or has demonstrated a solid, pro-town mindset (to a point we would have to be paranoid to really consider them for tomorrow), or is innocent child. ^^

I'd rather focus on those two rather than include E00e in those assumptions, unless we wanted to include Balla for the same reason - pure paranoia directed towards the roleblock targets. (Paranoia can wait until we see something like two night kills, or until we reach a 3 person LYLO. Then, all bets are off, and everything should be considered feasible lol.)

hope that all makes sense
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Obzy
Profile Joined April 2009
United States525 Posts
November 07 2013 22:39 GMT
#1649
On the contrary, I'd much prefer he concede if he's the last scum, to save us an additional 48 hours of waiting for an inevitable flip. If he doesn't concede (for whatever reason - or because he's town and can't), then so be it, but... I don't see much reason in dragging it out if he does happen to be the last scum as expected by this point lol.

If you are town though, yeah, please post as much as possible. ^_^; Same reasoning as was with OWB.

On November 07 2013 03:52 Obzy wrote:
Well, rather than not say anything, under the quite reasonable assumption that you are going to get lynched today basically no matter what, what are your opinions on the people that have pushed you? Have they pushed you in a townie or scummy way? If your goal is only to survive and nothing else, you are likely doomed no matter what. As far as general reads, admittedly, it's probably difficult to come up with anything original at this point. If you have any specific avenues to go down, though, if you flipped town, they'd likely be considered. You haven't really helped town much this game which is why you're going to be lynched today; honestly, I quite doubt that a burst of activity would save you. IMO, the only thing you can do to help town win is to actually sit down and invest some time playing the game; rather than trying to engage people in conversation, do some reading and writing.

In the absence of that, just not saying anything is fine, since you're not going to get out of this lynch. I feel it would be disappointing to yourself afterwards though - assuming a town flip, if you were able to look at your own play and truthfully say: "I was not of (much ^^) use this game, and was mislynched for it."

if you're mafia pls disregard the above and die :> and if you're town and the above sounds sorta harsh, sorry :>


The above doesn't entirely apply, but i don't really wanna rephrase the intent behind it lol
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Obzy
Profile Joined April 2009
United States525 Posts
November 07 2013 22:40 GMT
#1650
Although ignore the first bit of that actually, forgot that he probably can't concede because of the [small...] chance of an sk existing.

Second bit is still relevant.
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Obzy
Profile Joined April 2009
United States525 Posts
November 08 2013 01:43 GMT
#1664
Yup, nice job and gg everyone. ^_^

##Vote: OdinOfPergo
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Obzy
Profile Joined April 2009
United States525 Posts
November 08 2013 02:32 GMT
#1672
Gg everyone The name of the scum QT is pretty amazing.

My QT with Mattchew is here, but we didn't really say a lot. ^^;
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Obzy
Profile Joined April 2009
United States525 Posts
November 08 2013 04:07 GMT
#1699
On November 08 2013 12:50 Umasi wrote:
post game analysis by the amazing umasi (who hardly read the game and was totally wrong)
obzy is lazy (or busy)
balla is a baller
johnny was kind of rude and then was less rude
qed


that's only your analysis because that's what i told you

All in all, this game felt a lot like my first newbie (in retrospect) - very townie people were active with discussion, quieter people were open with reads and thought process, and scum didn't have control of the atmosphere, as Hapa already mentioned. Sorry for raging at you a bit Jonny ^^ I hate getting flamed, even though you were right about Odin lol :x It made me take a break for a few days, but in that time the game basically got solved so - all's well that ends well? :l

Although I think all of us played acceptably - special shoutout to Balla; who was so active that I was sort of paranoid. If we had gotten to lylo and for some reason you and I had been left alive, I almost certainly would've snap voted you out of sheer "There's no way mafia lets him get to lylo. None." Very well played as a town leader imo ^^
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Obzy
Profile Joined April 2009
United States525 Posts
November 08 2013 06:10 GMT
#1711
Yeah np I overreacted ^^
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Obzy
Profile Joined April 2009
United States525 Posts
November 08 2013 06:12 GMT
#1712
After d1, I think your play was pretty good, Storr. d1, you weren't very open with reads (iirc... if i'm wrong then ignore me hehe) and so I think people, myself included, became suspicious. as such, even though I liked your play post d1, there was the lingering doubt from the start which made people have a hard time fully dropping you as a read~

(Although if I'm simply mis-remembering, oh well)
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