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On November 05 2013 10:19 Balla24 wrote:
Yeah i feel the same way about that post... its like he was expecting jonny to flip blue or something... barely any time for anybody to claim anything yet he says we're not getting any blue information... weird..
not to mention how confident he is about you and i being VT
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On November 05 2013 10:26 Balla24 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 10:19 StorrZerg wrote:On November 05 2013 10:19 Balla24 wrote:
Yeah i feel the same way about that post... its like he was expecting jonny to flip blue or something... barely any time for anybody to claim anything yet he says we're not getting any blue information... weird.. not to mention how confident he is about you and i being VT But... if you think it wasn't a blue snipe then you can't think OWB is scummy for this IMO... one or the other.
what are you talking about?
if i think it wasn't a blue snipe, then i can't think owb is scummy for that post? or what specific point?
i'm asking to clarify cause im inclined to disagree with what your saying, but i want to be sure...
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On November 05 2013 11:13 Balla24 wrote:
No, because you were agreeing with me on the fact that it looked like OWB seemed like he scum expecting a blue flip from Jonny.
can you fully say what you thought?
you basically said, if you think this then you can't think that...
i don't understand that statement and i would like you to "spell it out"
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On November 05 2013 11:44 Balla24 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 11:18 StorrZerg wrote:On November 05 2013 11:13 Balla24 wrote:
No, because you were agreeing with me on the fact that it looked like OWB seemed like he scum expecting a blue flip from Jonny. can you fully say what you thought? you basically said, if you think this then you can't think that... i don't understand that statement and i would like you to "spell it out" Look, it's simple: Here are the 2 hypotheses: 1. Jonnylaw was not an attempted blue snipe. 2. OWB was surprised that jonnylaw didn't flip blue right after the lynch, which makes him seem like a scum player who was attempting to blue snipe. They contradict each other, so it's one or the other.
yeah i thought we had a miss understanding
Part of the johnny being blue is, he would have said stuff, and not just a min before hand, IMO he really felt he was going to die, and he would have done bread comes or anything. Besides that, i wasn't reading him as a blue before that, and you add in the other 2 reasons why i thought he was killed.
So i don't think OWB was expecting a blue flip. i think he is scummy from that post for calling out myself and you as VT
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On November 05 2013 15:26 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
no man, i think i've explained why i think storr is scum plenty
nope bandwagonerrrr
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On November 05 2013 15:32 cakemanofdoom wrote:
Storr's made more posts since you last commented nyx. You could have at least analyzed those or something. Or clarify your case, it was pretty vague/not that great to begin with.
because bandwagon on the 5 other cases that got made on me... he states it clearly in his 3 line post on why to lynch me.
"lynch will not divide town"
@cake also regarding myself attacking people who have attacked myself. You realize nearly everyone has made some sort of case against me save E00e. And then the people to call me scum with least force behind their posts would have to be OWB and Vonthin So please stop telling me to stop attacking people who attack me
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OWB has said he doesn't think im a bad lynch, Starts off day 1 when i have been "inactive" after i start posting he seems to dismiss me. and throws a vote on E00e
When i say i'd lynch OWB on day 2, he doesn't defend himself. He just says he was busy and will try to read and post
OWB "tunneled on von day 2
OWB does seem to throw some doubt onto nyxnyxnyx (which is pretty easy imo cause nyxnyxnyx does not like to explain why he does things. he just likes to throw votes out and call people scum least his day2 reasons are terrible and he has none for day 3)
OWB then makes the weird post about the flips
so my other thoughts on OWB
he has been very detached from this game. He needs to invest more into this game for me to get a better read.
I'd still lynch him at this point.
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On November 05 2013 15:47 Balla24 wrote:
Alright, here's what I think:
1. We kill vonthin: he flips scum, woohoo, we pinpoint last mafia by throwing out OWB. he flips town, we go from there with a focus on OWB
2. We kill OWB: he flips scum, woohoo, we pinpoint last mafia by throwing out Storr/Vonthin and find last mafia. he flips town, we go from there with a focus on vonthin/storr
3. We kill storr: he flips scum, woohoo, we pinpoint last mafia by throwing out OWB. he flips town, we go from there with focus on OWB.
I think it's that clear cut. No matter who we lynch out of the three we end up in a similar situation regardless of what the outcome is. I'd like to lynch storr. The fact that there was no mafia roleblock sells it to me. He was the only one who was really pressuring me about that besides Jonnylaw (who is conveniently dead now....), what better way to do it then to try to act like there is no mafia roleblocker... it doesn't help that his night2 posts were absolutely and completely anti-town.
##vote StorrZerg
Focus someone else first. I'm being active and trying.
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and not that it helps me...
but we still have blind bat nyxnyxnyx who hasn't done anything since day 2 other than call me scum.
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E00e yesterday didn't consider lynching tehpoofter at all really.
only wantd to vote OWB or vonthin
Does not agree about johhny's case abouse vanes
Thinks cake is scummy
Responds to johhny
Possible defense of poofter
Says johhny and july are off because they are inconsistent
Responds to Vanesco's vote on himself
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=433102¤tpage=14#265
Says tehpoofter had the most honest accusation against himself
Would lynch odin
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=433102¤tpage=20#394
Does not switch his vote to july at all stays on odin.
skipping a head to day2 vote
On November 04 2013 08:31 E00e wrote:
I think lynching poofter is better than lynching no one but I would prefer onlywonderboy. I will check this thread for the next 30 minutes.
##Vote: onlywonderboy
This sticks out a bit because it was kinda tight on getting the required votes to get tehpoofter out. (4 votes on tehpoofter at the time)
It is possible he put the vote up on OWB when tehpoofter had 3 votes and OWB had 2 My vote HAD been on OWB. His vote would have Tied OWB with tehpoofter. Other wise E00e posted knowing tehpoofter had 4 votes this then closes the gap and then I moved off to tehpoofter. Why would I change my vote at this time when i could have kept it on OWB?
the vote for OWB that E00e made looks pretty bad at that point.
I would also like to point out that E00e has never voted and switched.
I would consider people switching votes to be a town move, specially in the majority lynch system. Where 1 mafia voting some place else or even 1 town, could cause a no lynch.
So in the end i can't say i feel that strongly for him as town.
I find his vote to OWB very sketchy.
I find his ability to play with town poor, and i find his interest in the game poor as well.
I would lynch E00e
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On November 05 2013 15:59 Balla24 wrote:
That might have flown in my first 2 games if I was town, but I know how easy of a defense that is for mafia. Many of my teammates used it to great success in those games. Just because you're active and trying doesn't mean anything to me.
'it should, your willing to do a trio lynch why lynch the active person who will tell you more when/if you lynch him latter and I WILL FLIP TOWN
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I think the 3 i would consider lynching today
OWB, E00e, Vonthin
i have posted my case against the first 2
and as for Vonthin, ill post my thoughts on him. But the deal is balla, if you think im buddy with him, then ill lynch him idk what that proves to you if he flips sucm or town. I dont' know how i could Vote OWB right now and not look buddy buddy with Vontin
Unless something drastic changes so we can lynch nyx idk.
He may just be dumb town too focused on tunneling to do anything else in this game. And maybe @balla that is why you are more willing to push me first because he has thrown a vote, and you will only need 3 more to vote me then. Personally i think that is a poor excuses.
also pointing out that nyxnyxnyx has come to the conclusion that i have to be paired with vonthin as well HMMMM
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Cake your coming back up again, part of that is because you have been looking for scum elsewhere.
Also your vote onto tehpoofter was the 3rd vote, it made tehpoofter pass OWB that gives you good credit imo
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regarding also why i would vote Vonthin i found his votes in particular BOTH day 1 and day 2 to be fishy.
day 1 he was the 6th person to vote onto July. At that point it was pretty clear that july was going to be the vote that day, no one else had enough votes and E00e who he was on only had 2 or 3 at most.
day 2
In particular He was the 7th vote, he was not needed to vote tehpoofter off. and the 6th vote was OBZY (our IC) So imo no credit should be given to him at all for the tehpoofter vote. previously his vote was on OWB
In the end, i personally feel a little more town on OWB cause of Voniths voting pattern on day 2. (
also the end of day day 2 vote the very end.
End of the day 2 vote i was expressing concern that tehpoofter would be mod killed. I was willing to push a different vote in that case so we could get another lynch. Once tehpoofter came back i saw no reason to switch votes. its possible Vonthin had the same mindset for this, he did express concern over the mod kill as well. And i think he would express concern if tehpoofter was really away regardless of alignment. So the very end of him switching off, i don't read into that as a town, or a mafia play.
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On November 05 2013 16:55 cakemanofdoom wrote:
Sure other people have pinged you as suspicious Storr, but until the case on E00e you've only pushed the people who seriously tried to push you.
Balla can you summarize your discussion with Jonny which concluded that owb couldn't be scum with Vonthin or Storr? I'm having a bit of trouble finding it. Pointing me at the page where it starts getting on that topic would help too. I wanna talk about Storr's case on E00e right now.
On E00e:
Thanks Storr for finally showing some initiative in scumhunting. Way too late, but I'll consider E00e.
So Storr's case starts with a summary of some of the points E00e makes in his first post. I have no idea why this is here, it's not analyzed and the E00e's opinions there are reasonable. Jonny's case on Van was crap and suspicion on me was reasonable.
...is this first half of the post part even a case? This stuff doesn't look suspicious on E00e at all. I'll assume, Storr, that you're just summarizing his action for convenience and move on. What a waste of time.
Moving on to his day 2 vote.
I guess he wanted to try and switch the lynch to owb over poofter, I don't like that since it divides town. Looks sketchy, yeah.
Overall: I dislike the inactivity and the vote. Otherwise I actually like the intent in his posts. He scumhunts when he can, and his posts tend to be logical. Worthy of suspicion, not worth a lynch. Sure he's not that useful, but it's not a good enough reason to use a lynch imo when we have more scummy suspects. (Storr, owb, vonthin, maybe even odin)
I have been scum hunting, so stop saying i haven't
Nearly every single person has pressured to lynch me, save for a handful. So stop bringing up that i only have attacked people who attack me
I'm getting really fucking sick of you saying that shit
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@Vonthin regarding nyxnyxnyx
This is a new and original thought from you. I'm starting to think you might be who is scum with OWB.
this irony?
Because it is not original, balla all ready pointed it out...
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@Cake would you mind backing up these claims, or at least providing some context
Otherwise I actually like the intent in his posts. He scumhunts when he can, and his posts tend to be logical.
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If you call odin scummy, odin defends NYXNYXNYX
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=433102¤tpage=52#1034
Also his day 2 preferred lynch.
On November 04 2013 06:58 OdinOfPergo wrote:
My prefered day 1 lynch is probably looking Vonthin or Storr. I feel about the same on both of them and Storr making a quest against Nyx really makes me dislike him even more. If he stores getting votes I'm fine with changing over to it.
As well as odins push onto Jonny
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=433102¤tpage=48#945
Also Odins thoughts on the lurkers (doesn't list tehpoofter)
On November 04 2013 06:57 OdinOfPergo wrote:
I'm agains't lynching lurkers. Out of any of the lurkers if we have to lynch one I'd go for Poofter. Unless I really miss my mark Nyx is town. I think E00 looks ok for what he has said, and I'm pretty null on OWB atm.
It is quite possible the mafia trio being odin nyx tehpoofter
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On November 05 2013 17:09 Vonthin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 17:01 StorrZerg wrote:@Vonthin regarding nyxnyxnyx This is a new and original thought from you. I'm starting to think you might be who is scum with OWB. this irony? Because it is not original, balla all ready pointed it out... Balla said nothing about this post?
Ball all ready said we could be scummy together Hence nyxnyxnyx does not have an original thought
is it a "new thought" from him sure. But it is hardly original
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ok fair enough and thank you for that
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