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Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
November 01 2013 21:37 GMT
#441
You don't like me because i went after Oats for doing something you didn't like. Lets get Odin.
Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
November 01 2013 21:37 GMT
#442
On November 02 2013 06:13 Grackaroni wrote:
What do you think of Oats/Grack?


Grack- lean town. You have done somethings that I would consider anti-town (spamming the thread, repeating the same argument over and over, appearing ready to vote for LJ because he was useless and not because you felt he was scum (not totally sure how serious this was) ) but that being said I agree with you that mafia are generally more concerned about image and not ruffling feathers. Especially your argument with LJ, while I think it was anti-town it is the sort of thing I expect to see more often from a townie.

Oats- Not a fan of anything he has done. Claiming to be bad (or even just not that good) as an excuse is never good. He also has provided pretty much 0 scum hunting for the town. In general however, I don't agree with lynching active veterans day1 unless there is an incredibly strong case against them. We have the least information day1 it is better to wait on lynching people who can potentially be an asset for town until we have more information and can make more accurate decisions. I will add if hz is red I would probably go for Oats next. He was the first person to try and deflect attention away from him.

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Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 01 2013 21:37 GMT
#443
Grack I would expect you to be defending you more, if anything for our friendship. Yes you're right, if I was mafia, I would've made up some sort of excuse, deflected attention. I wouldn't have been so abrupt; I do have values of morality which I could not have just thrown my scummates to the dust.

Mig is town because he's like the only one making really really good points, and he has pur
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 01 2013 21:38 GMT
#444
woops, ebwop


Grack I would expect you to be defending you more, if anything for our friendship. Yes you're right, if I was mafia, I would've made up some sort of excuse, deflected attention. I wouldn't have been so abrupt; I do have values of morality which I could not have just thrown my scummates to the dust.

Mig is town because he's like the only one making really really good points, and he has purpose behind all of his posts. I expect him to be a shot target so doctors please take note.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 01 2013 21:48 GMT
#445
On October 31 2013 22:00 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Hey all. First off I'll add my name to the very much against random lynching list for the exact reasons Oats posted.

Also, I'm suspicious of the people pushing for it. Most notably hzflank because he only said he was for it after people brought it up. Like, even though it's only a 30% chance, if I'm scum and someone talks about random lynching my first thought is probably something like "Oh god, what if one of us gets chosen? There'd be nothing we could do." So he makes his post saying he'd be for a RNG lynch to show everyone that he's not afraid of it. Even going as far as saying
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2013 12:53 hzflank wrote:
I would think my chances of actually identifying scum on day one are less than 31%, therefore RNG would yield better results for me. Ofcourse, We would need to decide on who rolls the dice. How should we do that? I suggest we vote on it.
How in the world could his odds actually be worse than random? Even if he had no scumhunting skill whatsoever, it would be @ worst equal to random.



What is this post? He says he's against RNG and then criticizes someone for being for it by arguing that they're not really for it?

On October 31 2013 23:01 JarJarDrinks wrote:
##vote hzflank

Might as well untill I see a better choice. Seemed like there's a decent amount of support for a hzflank lynch


"Might as well" indicates caution, caution indicates scum.


He gets way too caught up in the RNG discussion , it dominates like his first ten posts. That's scummy to me because it's not really relevant to finding scum and his connections to scum are very flimsy.

On November 01 2013 04:15 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2013 04:08 hzflank wrote:
On November 01 2013 03:03 JarJarDrinks wrote:
If that was your stance then what was the point of suggesting that we vote for someone to pick the random person?


I suggested that we vote for someone so that we do not have to vote for someone. That is not a serious suggestion, that is me saying that I want to vote and not rng.
OK, you're saying that you were being sarcastic in that post as well as the following one. Didn't understand that's what you were saying. If that's the case then it didn't come across that way to me at all but I can definately see it that way now.

Since that was the bulk of my case:

##unvote hzflank


This back-off just seems weird to me, but I would like it if he explained it to me.

On November 01 2013 12:22 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I think I'm not liking laughing jack right now. Go look @ his posts. He pretty much attacks me and that's it. Like he tells me my posts are fluff because I don't reach a conclusion about the RNG thing (even though I did). And then when I ask him outright what his position on it is, he dodges the question.

The rest of his posts are him asking other people their opinions.


Weak suspicion with generic mafia reasons

On November 01 2013 23:30 JarJarDrinks wrote:
So, I think we should lynch a lurker. There's like 7 of em so odds are pretty good that there's scum among em.

Odin and hermeane haven't posted anything so they should probably be exempt.

Mig and fuba have like 2 posts each. And they both went after hzflank which seemed like an easy bandwagon @ the time

tehpoofter, Pandain, Bereft and Asinine can't have posted much either. I'm gonna go through their filters now.


Another generic mafia tactic, lynch lurkers



I actually don't know if he's mafia, but here are my thoughts on him.
Looking into others
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
November 01 2013 21:51 GMT
#446
Odin,

So who do you actually want to lynch?
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 01 2013 21:51 GMT
#447
Laughing Jack
On October 31 2013 23:19 Laughing Jack wrote:
I think we should be one Jarjar less at the end of this day.
##Vote: JarjarDrinks


I really like this post, it's retarded and would be scary for mafia to make. He's a smurf so he can't rely on being a troll persona. Being funny while doing something bold = town because you're not really afraid of suspicions while mafia would be.


I don't want to quote other posts, but I really like how care-free blunt he is. I'm giving him a town read even more confident then Grack, though not mig.
Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
November 01 2013 21:54 GMT
#448
I read through hzflank's titanic and newbie XLIV mafia games. This game seems so much more like his mafia play from XLIV. In Titanic all his posting was confident and he had no qualms pushing his reads and making cases. In XLIV he was much more wishy-washy. This game he has been incredibly wishy-washy. He makes 1 post voting for Fuba then doesn't push him at all. Telling JJ to vote for tehpoofter instead of fuba who has lurked almost the exact same amount also sits wrong with me. Why wouldn't you recommend that fuba be voted for if you actually lean scum on him and he has virtually the same amount of posts? You don't seem to actually care that we vote for scum. This combined with my earlier read on him is enough for my vote.

##Vote hzflank

I will say though fuba has also been totally useless and his one post coming back to the game didn't make him look any better. I have to go now but I will try to be back 30 min before lynch to check what is going on (no promises tho).
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OdinOfPergo
Profile Joined December 2011
United States840 Posts
November 01 2013 21:54 GMT
#449
Grack, I was more trying to imply while I don't see a point behind saying it, I didn't see a point for having a 3 page argument about it either. I have never played with Oats, but from the games I have read with him in them, he doesn't seem out of the ordinary. Yes I remember you bring up quotes of some of his games to say he only did it as mafia, but bluntly put I barely have the time to keep up with both of the games I'm in right now, let alone go read a few more for meta purposes.
Ik weet niet wie ik denk dat ik ben. Ik weet niet wie ik zogenaamd in gesprek met. je niet hier, niemand is. Ik ben hier niet, niets is.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
November 01 2013 21:55 GMT
#450
I don't think Mig is right Pandain. I loudly pushed Oats and only Laughing Jack jumped on the train and people haven't been very adamant in pushing up other targets of their own. I'd bet mafia are either almost entirely afk or content with a hzflank lynch.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 01 2013 21:57 GMT
#451
Oh wow lynch mkfuba07.

On November 01 2013 03:09 mkfuba07 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2013 02:30 Stutters695 wrote:
What do you think of hzflank Fuba?

Actually, I think I'm going to vote for him. He's talked quite a bit, but always ends with a noncommittal statement. He kind of narrates the thread, but doesn't give a conclusion.

As far as his involvement in the rng debate, the apparent inconsistency in his position is the most concerning thing to me, though I'm not even sure there is one. I think rng-ing would be bad play, so advocating for it or opposing it are pretty null. I agree with jjd that he appears to be supporting it in one post, then the next one appears to be agreeing with the first. However, I guess it could be interpreted the way hzflank says he meant it, so overall that just makes me lean slight scum on him.

Altogether, I feel pretty confident with a vote on hzflank.

##Vote: hzflank

So apathetic. Not going to argue for anyone, just this. Only post afterwards is him defending himself.
On November 02 2013 05:46 mkfuba07 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2013 09:51 hzflank wrote:
This seems to have flown under the radar:

On November 01 2013 03:09 mkfuba07 wrote:
the apparent inconsistency in his position is the most concerning thing to me, though I'm not even sure there is one.


You say that you are not sure whether the most concerning thing actually exists.

On November 01 2013 03:09 mkfuba07 wrote:
I agree with jjd that he appears to be supporting it in one post, then the next one appears to be agreeing with the first. However, I guess it could be interpreted the way hzflank says he meant it, so overall that just makes me lean slight scum on him.

Altogether, I feel pretty confident with a vote on hzflank.


You feel pretty confident with a vote on someone that you only lean slightly scum on.

I would say that you decided on where to park your vote before you decided on the reasons for it.

##vote: mkfuba07

dat omgus

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On November 01 2013 03:09 mkfuba07 wrote:
On November 01 2013 02:30 Stutters695 wrote:
What do you think of hzflank Fuba?

Actually, I think I'm going to vote for him. He's talked quite a bit, but always ends with a noncommittal statement. He kind of narrates the thread, but doesn't give a conclusion.

As far as his involvement in the rng debate, the apparent inconsistency in his position is the most concerning thing to me, though I'm not even sure there is one. I think rng-ing would be bad play, so advocating for it or opposing it are pretty null. I agree with jjd that he appears to be supporting it in one post, then the next one appears to be agreeing with the first. However, I guess it could be interpreted the way hzflank says he meant it, so overall that just makes me lean slight scum on him.

Altogether, I feel pretty confident with a vote on hzflank.

##Vote: hzflank


My main issue with hzflank has always been that while he was posting a lot, he wasn't coming to conclusions. He was throwing accusatory statements around, then ending with the equivalent of "... but I don't know if he's scum or not." It gets suspicions out there but insulates him from the consequences of a mislynch.

My entire second paragraph was there because I'd spent a bit of time thinking about the rng discussion, and came to the conclusion that it made me only lean slightly scum on him. I often get bitched out for my first posts not being related to the ongoing discussion, and didn't want to sidetrack the thread by not commenting on the silly rng discussion that took over up to that point.

So long-story-short, my main reason for finding him scummy was that he was posting in a scummy manner, and my thoughts on him haven't changed a lot since then.

And then this:
On November 01 2013 01:58 mkfuba07 wrote:
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On November 01 2013 01:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
I really dont like that vote from JJD. He seems to want to vote Hzflank because other people also think he is scummy, caring more about the appearance of the vote more than voting for scum, as well as incidental totally useless stuff like
And like, the way I see it, when there's something that people need to take a stance on, very rarely will all the scummies end up on the same side of the issue. So I think there's a real good chance that one of the pro-RNGers is scum.


Would scum, knowingly voting for someone to look good, openly state that they're placing the vote because many others appear willing to do so?



So apathetic, not following up on questions, and too defensive.


##Unvote
##Vote mkfuba07
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 01 2013 21:58 GMT
#452
On November 02 2013 06:55 Grackaroni wrote:
I don't think Mig is right Pandain. I loudly pushed Oats and only Laughing Jack jumped on the train and people haven't been very adamant in pushing up other targets of their own. I'd bet mafia are either almost entirely afk or content with a hzflank lynch.


I honestly haven't read his posts but he's showing clear effort in the way he's outlining and going about posting. So that's enough to not vote him day one.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
November 01 2013 21:59 GMT
#453
I am down for a fuba lynch though. That should hit scum.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
November 01 2013 22:00 GMT
#454
##Unvote: Oatsmaster
##Vote: Mkfuba07
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 01 2013 22:00 GMT
#455
Grackapack, go!
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
November 01 2013 22:01 GMT
#456
There's a surprise...

On November 02 2013 06:54 Mig wrote:
This combined with my earlier read on him is enough for my vote.


But you previously decided that you would vote for me, anyway.

On November 02 2013 06:37 Mig wrote:
I will add if hz is red I would probably go for Oats next


Anyway, you claim to have read my previous games and that I was confident and made cases as town, but not as scum. The fact is that I was pretty damn dominating in that scum game that I linked. I made large cases and pushed them hard. I was so confident that right before the SK took me out I made a huge case on someone with a lot of town cred because I thought he was the SK and thought I could push the lynch through hard over the next 48 hours.

Your points are rubbish. Whatever reasons you have for voting for me and not the reasons that you state.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
November 01 2013 22:03 GMT
#457
Odin, who do you want to lynch?
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
November 01 2013 22:13 GMT
#458
Vote Count

Oatsmaster(0): Grackaroni, Oatsmaster, Pandain, Grackaroni
Pandain(3): Grackaroni, Bereft, Oatsmaster, JarJarDrinks
hzflank(3): JarJarDrinks, mkfuba07, Asinine, Mig
JarJarDrinks(1): Laughing Jack, Pandain
mkfuba07(3): hzflank, Pandain, Grackaroni

Pandain is currently set to be lynched. The deadline is at 00:00 GMT (+00:00) in .
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
November 01 2013 22:16 GMT
#459
Stutters, did you happen to read anything from that game that I linked? If so, is your opinion similar to Mig's?
OdinOfPergo
Profile Joined December 2011
United States840 Posts
November 01 2013 22:16 GMT
#460
Either you or fuba. I think out of the two of you I like you a little better.

##Vote mkfuba
Ik weet niet wie ik denk dat ik ben. Ik weet niet wie ik zogenaamd in gesprek met. je niet hier, niemand is. Ik ben hier niet, niets is.
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