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Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 01 2013 23:04 GMT
#481
He's defensive, and delivered only one read. How about that?

And he's not simply apathetic, he's apathetic while still posting.
Asinine
Profile Joined October 2013
Qatar66 Posts
November 01 2013 23:05 GMT
#482
I would also like to clarify that I'm not saying fuba is town. I'm saying all the cases that have been presented to me regarding fuba are either weak(Pandain) or malevolent cherry-picking(hzflank).
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 01 2013 23:05 GMT
#483
I fail to see that even if he isn't scum, how he is the least bit town.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 01 2013 23:06 GMT
#484
On November 02 2013 07:17 Asinine wrote:
I'm still unimpressed with hzflank. His filter reeks of careful posturing which is reminiscent of standard scum play. Pursuing hzflank directly isn't netting immediate results because his posting is so meticulously crafted. However, I'll be leaving my vote on him if I cannot find any more convincing candidates.

I'll filter a few other players. Be back soon.


Did you look into any more canidates?
Asinine
Profile Joined October 2013
Qatar66 Posts
November 01 2013 23:08 GMT
#485
On November 02 2013 08:06 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2013 07:17 Asinine wrote:
I'm still unimpressed with hzflank. His filter reeks of careful posturing which is reminiscent of standard scum play. Pursuing hzflank directly isn't netting immediate results because his posting is so meticulously crafted. However, I'll be leaving my vote on him if I cannot find any more convincing candidates.

I'll filter a few other players. Be back soon.


Did you look into any more canidates?

I will do so post-lynch. Right now, our primary lynch targets are fuba and hzflank. If we're deciding between these two, then my goal right now should be to convince town that hzflank is the better lynch.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
November 01 2013 23:10 GMT
#486
On November 02 2013 08:08 Asinine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2013 08:06 Pandain wrote:
On November 02 2013 07:17 Asinine wrote:
I'm still unimpressed with hzflank. His filter reeks of careful posturing which is reminiscent of standard scum play. Pursuing hzflank directly isn't netting immediate results because his posting is so meticulously crafted. However, I'll be leaving my vote on him if I cannot find any more convincing candidates.

I'll filter a few other players. Be back soon.


Did you look into any more canidates?

I will do so post-lynch. Right now, our primary lynch targets are fuba and hzflank. If we're deciding between these two, then my goal right now should be to convince town that hzflank is the better lynch.


Why are there only two lynch targets, to you?
Asinine
Profile Joined October 2013
Qatar66 Posts
November 01 2013 23:12 GMT
#487
On November 02 2013 08:10 hzflank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2013 08:08 Asinine wrote:
On November 02 2013 08:06 Pandain wrote:
On November 02 2013 07:17 Asinine wrote:
I'm still unimpressed with hzflank. His filter reeks of careful posturing which is reminiscent of standard scum play. Pursuing hzflank directly isn't netting immediate results because his posting is so meticulously crafted. However, I'll be leaving my vote on him if I cannot find any more convincing candidates.

I'll filter a few other players. Be back soon.


Did you look into any more canidates?

I will do so post-lynch. Right now, our primary lynch targets are fuba and hzflank. If we're deciding between these two, then my goal right now should be to convince town that hzflank is the better lynch.


Why are there only two lynch targets, to you?

With 50 minutes before deadline, introducing a new lynch target only gives scum the opportunity to sway the lynch in their favor. Thus, sticking to the two primary lynch targets is the safer play.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 01 2013 23:13 GMT
#488
On October 31 2013 12:53 hzflank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2013 12:05 Asinine wrote:
Why label Stutters as town


As a conversation starter. Up until that point only little blue men were being discussed and I am unable to partake in that discussion to to my unfamiliarity with big green or red men. Obviously I did not think that Stutters' post gave a clue to his alignment, but I may not of conveyed the tone correctly.

Show nested quote +
On October 31 2013 12:05 Asinine wrote:
and leave the thread?


Due to Stutters reply. As you begin to read his post he appears to care about what I said, then when you get to the end I realised that he does not care. There was no reason to continue that line of conversation with him and I had nothing that I wanted to post, so I decided to spare the poor tl.net servers the effort of adding another one of my posts for a short while.

Show nested quote +
On October 31 2013 12:05 Asinine wrote:
Your post serves no greater purpose other than to gain Stutters' support.


But my post gave you something to post about and in turn gave me something to post about. Now I can wonder why you commented on my post twice even though that you thought my post had no purpose. You might be mafia looking for something to post about, but obviously this early in the game there is no real need for that. You may be town attempting to move a conversation forward. Or perhaps you genuinely thought I had a clue as to Stutter's alignment two hours into the game when only five people had posted, and felt the need to call me out on that. Either of those possibilities fit in with your second post.

Show nested quote +
On October 31 2013 12:07 Asinine wrote:
Looks like he didn't even gain Stutters support... Regardless, hzflank does not look good right now.


The (rhetorical) question is: did you post that for the sake of posting something? Or did you post that hoping that I would reply directly to you? Or did you post that because when you were reading the thread for the first time you were already looking for scum, and my post was the only thing so far that looked like it might be scum?

I have no flipping idea, but less than five hours into the game and when I am tired, that's the best that I can do at the moment.

Show nested quote +
On October 31 2013 10:17 Stutters695 wrote:
Why so srs?


Oh, you wanted me to be less serious? Oops


I think this defense is just fine for me.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
November 01 2013 23:14 GMT
#489
But the votes are 4/4/3 and Stutters is not voting. Why is Pandain not a lynch target, for you?

It doesn't matter I suppose, your position is that you want me lynched so there might as well be only one target.
Asinine
Profile Joined October 2013
Qatar66 Posts
November 01 2013 23:15 GMT
#490
On November 02 2013 08:14 hzflank wrote:
But the votes are 4/4/3 and Stutters is not voting. Why is Pandain not a lynch target, for you?

It doesn't matter I suppose, your position is that you want me lynched so there might as well be only one target.

I don't think Pandain is scum. I was saying that by your own logic, you should think Pandain is scum. I was wrong about that bit regarding Pandain anyway. Did you read my EBWOP?
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 01 2013 23:19 GMT
#491
Can you explain why you think hzflank didn't address your questions?
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
November 01 2013 23:19 GMT
#492
nm, I get your position. Odin obviously cannot look good at this time, so if you think that I am scum then at least two of the four on mkfuba look bad to you.

On another note, anyone have any questions for me?
Asinine
Profile Joined October 2013
Qatar66 Posts
November 01 2013 23:24 GMT
#493
On November 02 2013 08:19 Pandain wrote:
Can you explain why you think hzflank didn't address your questions?

There were two posts of questions directed towards hzflank.
First post:
On October 31 2013 12:05 Asinine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2013 09:31 hzflank wrote:
Stutters posting when he does not have to is a town Stutters.

That is exactly what mafia Stutters would want you to think. Why label Stutters as town and leave the thread? We are trying to find scum, not tell scum who is town. Your post serves no greater purpose other than to gain Stutters' support.

He answered this.

I then asked him this:
On October 31 2013 13:31 Asinine wrote:
Bereft, I want to know how exactly you arrived at the 25% number. Scumhunting will increase odds of hitting scum to a percentage far greater than that. Please explain.

Show nested quote +
On October 31 2013 12:53 hzflank wrote:
On October 31 2013 12:05 Asinine wrote:
Why label Stutters as town


As a conversation starter. Up until that point only little blue men were being discussed and I am unable to partake in that discussion to to my unfamiliarity with big green or red men. Obviously I did not think that Stutters' post gave a clue to his alignment, but I may not of conveyed the tone correctly.

Your post:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2013 09:31 hzflank wrote:
Stutters posting when he does not have to is a town Stutters.

It is quite apparent that you were trying to bait Stutters into posting. This is not what I take issue with.

My issue is that your first post is stated as a fact and an imperative.
In other words, you are essentially saying that Stutters should post -- when he doesn't have to -- and you will automatically consider him town. Now this may not be what you wanted to say, but it is exactly what it sounds like you are saying to any third-party.

"Come out to play, Stutters! If you post a lot, I won't think you're scum."

I don't see much town motivation in this strategy. Yes, you may get Stutters to post a little more. This, in theory, should give you town cred. However, you are quite clearly choosing one of the most obvious lynchbait targets to talk about on Day 1. Additionally, after Stutters reply, you just disappear with no follow-up. When you return, you make a lengthy post that focuses on defending yourself. There is a wishy-washy accusation towards me, but it is weak and unsubstantiated.

You are also strong-arming Stutters to play a particular way that could make his meta harder to read in the long run. All in all, I am still unimpressed with you. Convince me otherwise.

...and went to bed.

When I woke up and read the thread, I found that he had not answered this post. That is why I said hzflank has not answered my questions.

He has answered them since, but I have deemed his answers unsatisfactory.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
November 01 2013 23:26 GMT
#494
I'm back, gonna try to catch up but I skimmed that newbie game and I think Hz's play resembles that over Titanic and I'm willing to take a shot on it.

##vote: Hzflank
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
November 01 2013 23:27 GMT
#495
Do something Pandas! Our lynch is losing steam.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
November 01 2013 23:28 GMT
#496
You never asked any questions. Also, at that point Stutters had already called me defensive. I dislike people calling others defensive in this game because it actually makes it difficult for them to post. Anyway, since you asked nothing directly, apparently I was being too defensive and people were complaining about my long and unnecessary posts, I did not respond to it at the time.

Later you said that you wanted a response, so I provided it.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
November 01 2013 23:28 GMT
#497
meh, if I get lynched over a lurker in a game with too many lurkers ...
Asinine
Profile Joined October 2013
Qatar66 Posts
November 01 2013 23:28 GMT
#498
On November 02 2013 08:27 Grackaroni wrote:
Do something Pandas! Our lynch is losing steam.

Can you do something useful? If you are town and you really think fuba is scum, why don't you make a case or post some evidence?
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 01 2013 23:29 GMT
#499
Vote Count
Oatsmaster (0): Grackaroni, Oatsmaster, Pandain, Grackaroni
Pandain (3): Grackaroni, Bereft, Oatsmaster, JarJarDrinks
hzflank (5): JarJarDrinks, mkfuba07, Asinine, Mig, Laughing Jack, Stutters695
JarJarDrinks (0): Laughing Jack, Pandain
mkfuba07 (4): hzflank, Pandain, Grackaroni, OdinofPergo

hzflank is currently set to be lynched. The deadline is at 00:00 GMT (+00:00) in .
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 01 2013 23:30 GMT
#500
His response is even better.

You read way too much into that one liner. That he's trying to bait Stutters into posting? What?

You say town shouldn't find other town, that's completely wrong especially in a mini. I also labeled Grack as town with no written reasons, what about that? You're assuming he's trying to lead Stutters into doing something when that is clearly not his intention
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