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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On November 02 2013 02:56 Stutters695 wrote: Explain your read on Grack please Panda. First to post, pushing reads, super confident. I know Grack and this is how he plays town. As scum I'm sure he would be slightly more retarded. | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9846 Posts
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Bereft
United States1007 Posts
I initially had a pretty town read on grack considering he was the only one who seemed to care about the game fof the first 12 hours or so, but now I find it incongruous that he suddenly tunnels on oats for pushing easy lynch bait, when going back to reread the filters, I find like a 1 liner from oats on the subject, and a much harder push from laughing jack. while I would agree the "I make mistakes as town" defense is weak, this post in particular seemed a bit like he was grasping to me: On November 01 2013 14:07 Grackaroni wrote: I read through your filter in Heavyweight Championship and it is ringing some alarm bells You don't normally think of yourself as bad... Only when it is serves a purpose to do it. This is also strange considering your original reaction to me/Pandain. I was hoping you would continue your OMGUS on me so that I could be more sure of my read but I'm still reasonably convinced. two waaay different contexts. in one oats is blatantly being told he sucks balls, which would raise anyone's hackes. grack any particular reason you find oats suspicions of JJD more suspicious that LJ's suspicions of the same individual? I also noticed LJ's suspicions of JJD seem to have conveniently disappeared since the 3 pages of arguing between you and oats. while I agree that it's extremely likely JJD is an overwhelmed newbie, I don't think that + him being scum are mutually exclusive events. this post really bothers me, and I'm surprised people are so willing to overlook it: On October 31 2013 22:33 JarJarDrinks wrote: I think it's pro-scum. But I still think it'd be something I'd be afraid of if I was scum if that makes sense. Because there still is that 30% chance that my team would get screwed on day 1 and there'd be nothing I could do about it. So what exactly are you calling Hzflank scummy for? Promoting random lynch? [/QUOTE]Yeah. Other people pointed out stuff that didn't look for him good either. And like, the way I see it, when there's something that people need to take a stance on, very rarely will all the scummies end up on the same side of the issue. So I think there's a real good chance that one of the pro-RNGers is scum. And I think hzflank is the scummiest of them.[/QUOTE] the implication is that you assume or believe at least 2 of the scum team have posted about RNG at that point in time. yet there are is 0 consideration of who the scummers supporting RNG could be. and when you realize hz was being sarcastic, you drop the issue entirely. what caused that whole case to become null? | ||
Mig
United States4714 Posts
I would really like to see fuba post again before the deadline. Right now I am ok lynching hz or fuba. | ||
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
On November 02 2013 03:17 Mig wrote: I have to leave for a couple hours but from scanning through basterd and persona, I definitely find mkfuba suspect. In neither game did he vote as quickly as he did here but in persona he had pretty solid logical analysis, which he is definitely lacking here. His reasoning concerning the rng and hz is pointless and shouldn't lead him to feel one way or another about hz. I would really like to see fuba post again before the deadline. Right now I am ok lynching hz or fuba. This guy gets it. | ||
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JarJarDrinks
United States1302 Posts
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Grackaroni
United States9846 Posts
You don't think it's damning that Oats sees no reason to play the noob card as town and attacks HF for doing it in that game because that is something Oats does as scum? Why would someone as town, who doesn't view themselves as bad, try to convince others that he is bad? That shouldn't ever happen. He knows that many other players view him as bad. Oats is actually pretty good. That's why I am more interested in him. Laughing Jack is either not good or much more likely a troll. | ||
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JarJarDrinks
United States1302 Posts
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
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Laughing Jack
Finland50 Posts
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Grackaroni
United States9846 Posts
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JarJarDrinks
United States1302 Posts
On November 02 2013 04:07 Grackaroni wrote: Is your town read on Pandain simply based on the fact that you don't think he'd be a dick to his mafia temamates?Oats has played over 30 games on TL. I don't think he's quite as clueless as people perceive him to be, but If not oats than I think we need a new lynch besides Pandain. | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
Vote Count Oatsmaster(1): Pandain(2): hzflank(2): JarJarDrinks(2): Laughing Jack, Pandain mkfuba07(1): hzflank hzflank is currently set to be lynched. The deadline is at 00:00 GMT (+00:00) in . | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9846 Posts
On November 02 2013 04:17 JarJarDrinks wrote: Is your town read on Pandain simply based on the fact that you don't think he'd be a dick to his mafia temamates? That reasoning was good enough for syllo so it's good enough for me. He doesn't HAVE to be town but I really don't see Pandain just screwing over his teammates like that. I'd rather not lynch him. | ||
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JarJarDrinks
United States1302 Posts
On November 02 2013 04:21 Grackaroni wrote: That reasoning was good enough for syllo so it's good enough for me. He doesn't HAVE to be town but I really don't see Pandain just screwing over his teammates like that. I'd rather not lynch him. Well if he's town, he's dicking over his towny teammates by his play so I;m not sure I buy that argument. In any case, I don't support lynching any active player with as many lurkers as we have in this game. Maybe if there was an active player who seemed super scummy to me but I don't think anyone qualifies. | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9846 Posts
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JarJarDrinks
United States1302 Posts
I want to vote for a lurker. Who should it be if not Pandain? I'm thinking maybe fuba? | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
Odin and hermeane are in danger of being modkilled, so no point in voting for them at this time. There must be at least some scum lurking. I find it hard to believe that we have so many town lurkers. | ||
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
On November 02 2013 04:46 Grackaroni wrote: It's not really the same. If he is scum he should have a team going "c'mon Pandain start playing the game or we will lose."There's more of an obligation for mafia to not let down your team. I don't see him going, "nah. You guys are on your own." Or he prioritized a game in progress over a game that just started, that by any metric, is moving very slowly. There is plenty of time for him to come back d2 and do something. Imagine that ## wasn't on TL. Would you still think he was town? People lurk as scum all the time for various reasons that would make sense while he's in another game. That isn't a good reason to think he's town. As it stands he shouldn't be anything more than a d1 lurker lynch. | ||
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