EPTNeed mah mafia fix
Whichever team I'm on beware, I've got a five- or six-game losing streak and it shows no sign of letting up!
I hope I'm on a team with sentinel so I can get my revenge for his shameless mod-fuckery!
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Need mah mafia fix Whichever team I'm on beware, I've got a five- or six-game losing streak and it shows no sign of letting up! I hope I'm on a team with sentinel so I can get my revenge for his shameless mod-fuckery! | ||
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On October 19 2013 17:05 OOHCHILD wrote: Don't forget you can't do this in a real game | ||
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On October 22 2013 22:40 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Scum are winning this game since Day 0 Make me scum, then we'll see about that! Lol didnt even realize that I was quoting a post by sent until I had already typed that. Double entendre! | ||
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On October 23 2013 12:20 Oatsmaster wrote: wtf is SST? Sect stroking time | ||
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I mean Sexy stroking time | ||
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I like promethelax and oatsmaster Nothing as meta as Marv had (tho I don't disagree) but prome makes sense and his thread presence seems to be working towards a scumhunting-positive environment Oats has way better SNR than I think he does as scum Don't want to power up Marv yet and probably not at all today unless we decide to just power everybody, not bc I think he's scum but bc I can't trust a town read on him this early in the game unless he does something unintentionally telling, which he hasn't yet Best case so far in the thread has been oatsmaster's case on pandaman, so weird. I'm a belieber ##yolo Promethelax ##Refudiate Oatsmaster | ||
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On October 28 2013 23:58 marvellosity wrote: The key point on Pandain is whatever I say it is, s&b, and you're just describing bad/weird again. Could Pandain be mafia on his play so far? Yes. Could he also be town? Yes. I obviously haven't missed what you're describing, I just don't put anything strong on it. well, i guess i just dont agree. i dont see that as bad, i see it as scummy. the difference is "bad/weird" are things that are bad or dont make sense for town but dont for scum either. if something is bad or doesn't make sense for town but there's a clear link between it and a scum mindset or scum motivation then it's not bad/weird its scummy. obviously he could be mafia or town based on his play so far. but oat's case is the best one i saw when i was reading through the thread, and i think by reducing it to "bad/weird play" you're well understating it. | ||
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On October 29 2013 00:19 Promethelax wrote: how do you feel about your double town reads reading marv as town? Both Oats and I have a lot of out of game time with marv and are good at reading him based on meta. You might remember (or might not) MTG II where I correctly read marv/you as town while Acro pushed for his lynch and I managed to dissuade the thread from that 'lynch' based on my meta read. I see similar things here. What I'm saying is: 1) marv is good as town 2) both your town reads have a history of reading marv well 3)both your town reads read marv as town 4) why, therefore, do you not believe marv is town? If you believe Oats and I are town you believe in our motivation being townie. You know I am capable of reading marv even against thread sentiment (see above example or look at personality (don't look at personality)) so explain the part I'm missing. an answer to this then i go back to work anyway in general my reads on players don't influence my evaluations of their logic. just because oats is town doesn't make him any more likely to be right with his reads; in fact, it probably makes him less likely to be correct. i have almost certainly played more games with marv than you. i've probably read him correctly in a number of those games. that doesn't mean i think i can determine his alignment on day 1 | ||
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On October 29 2013 20:06 Oatsmaster wrote: ##Twerk Cant you read me well marv? weird question. i think i was scum with oats in a game where he kept asking people to read him. am i remembering correctly? does he do this as town as well? idk, but suspicious. still leaning town on him though also ##Twerk On October 29 2013 22:02 Promethelax wrote: interestingly SnB did not do this correctly either time he Yolo'd me. Not sure if intentional but worth noting. you should've said something. ##Yolo Promethelax you should've said something but w/e catching up with the thread atm, on page 50, rather lynch clarity than oohchild atm, still kind of think pandain is scum but i'll filter him once i catch up, could oohchild be OO? doesn't matter but would be punny. | ||
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my method was to look at his long posts. he always makes big long posts combined with a bunch of short useless one liners. however, his big post this game + Show Spoiler + On October 29 2013 05:10 Pandain wrote: Marv is striking me as very town, which is very exciting for me. Usually I would think it would be hard to read Marv since he's such a good player, but even if he's scum he's still making really good points which, as long as we continue to judge them, will work in town favor. + Show Spoiler + He has also already posted 6 pages worth of shit, and they're all good. Indicative of town He really thought hard about Prom and I love what he said about Prom being way too cocky, I actually had a null read on him but now I think I have a moderate town read on him, probably not as "sure" in it as Marv. + Show Spoiler + he also wasn't a dick to me Originally I disagreed with Seuss being scummy but now I agree, with some addendums. Here is Marv's post: However I disagree with this slight suspicion of Seuss. Now if Seuss had written out his post during the course of 5 hours and thought very clearly and wanted to be 100% consistant, it would be suspicious (though still not scummy). His bolded statement mirrored my thoughts and is a defendable statement even if it isn't 100% justifiable since yes some people need others for their powers. The underlined is clearly just poor reading and doesn't indicate scum. The red statement is interesting however and important to think about. There are better reasons to be suspicious of Seuss Very poor post, list format instead of comprehensive. Also what is the middle paragraph which is a basic "I don't know." Also his other posts are really wishy-washy and constantly changing. I do think he's worth looking out for though shouldn't be a lynch target today. I do agree Clarity is suspicious, made a poor post which only focused on one person. It is so incredibly assumption based and wouldn't be what I expect Clarity to be suspicious of. He says Oats is suspicious because he didn't add to what someone else said. I don't know why but this post bothers me Then Marv calls him out and he immediately back tracks I also think Koshi is suspicious. Where is carefree Koshi? He's so defensive. He also isn't attempting to buddy Rayn which I have seen in all my past games which I'm pretty sure they've both been in them all. feels different for me to his big posts in his scum games + Show Spoiler + On September 23 2013 02:33 Pandain wrote: Of all the players so far mentioned, I think [UoN to be the most suspicious] and heavily heavily urge others to re-read him. He is self-contradictory(not like FT who while I think is somewhat suspicious is more inherently consistant). + Show Spoiler + On September 22 2013 05:52 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Back from work as promised. Things I know: People who have not contributed - some might be lurking, others may have forgotten they signed up for this game: gumshoe Chairman Ray Cephiro Xzavier Onegu Zenatsu Risen iamp said he wanted to be replacement, what happened to that? Meapak_Ziphh - should really consider linking the filters in the list of signups. It's hard to bring up a bunch of filters when you have to manually type in the URL. Stutters695 - Stutters, like myself, doesn't like kush in this game. I'm actually curious as to why kush suddenly engages actively in the thread, and I agree with the fact that he's being thread police instead of being productive in the townfinding effort. What I don't like is how hard Stutters is tunneling kush. Every post in his filter at the time of this post is directed at lynching kush, or begging others to join the bandwagon, and nothing else. I would like to see what you think of other players Stutters. Coagulation - still completely fucking useless. Other than his "summary of today", which doesn't contribute anything to scumhunting and doesn't even summarize much, he has nothing. Here are his accusations: I would like to see some good evidence for lynching either pandain or geript. The marv thing isn't really an accusation since he's kinda warming up to him and accusing him with some of the least imposing language possible. So three accusations with zero bite, plus a summary, means he might as well have been lurking. Actually it's worse because when you lurk you may have an excuse, whether legit or not. Coag's been reading and posting and still has nothing to say. ##Vote Coagulation This is a very typical "list" analysis type which scum posts to seem like they're reading thread and on top of things, and then in reality they are not contributing. Doesn't say much and contradicts himself earlier; he says Kush is not productive while earlier he said he was. Weak Don't know how to feel except like he knew he had a bad argument Weak, changes again, seems like he doesn't actually know what's going on. I'm also sorry I can't contribute more as of right now, I have too much work to do to go to in depth in analysis with contextual meta and relational play. For right now, as stand alone posts, Sentinel is the most suspicious to me. For others sake, let them know I am currently suspicious of DP for playing more poorly than I would expect and contrary to what he says actually shitting up thread and poor reasoning; I heavily believe Yamato is town; I would rather wait on Koshi as I like him and he has a valid excuse for being away scum or not; I am suspicious of CC still and believe OO is town now. I think Vayne is playing too trolly to be actually scum and I'm wondering where VE is at the moment. + Show Spoiler + As an aside, I disagree with Marv and believe we should not vig at random + Show Spoiler + On September 28 2013 05:27 Pandain wrote: I have read several of Yamato's DAY ONES as town and have noted several town trends: Town Day One Play:Comprehensive in outlook, can tunnel but comments on all things Aperture + Show Spoiler + On August 30 2013 21:51 kitaman27 wrote: This was a very poor way to enter the thread. FOS Onegu On August 30 2013 22:02 yamato77 wrote: WoS you are kinda playing weird. On August 30 2013 22:38 yamato77 wrote: oh, this was kita's first post actually, he is a good lynch. On August 31 2013 07:04 yamato77 wrote: Caught up, things to reply to: Calls me scum for my interactions with WoS that look like scum interacting with scum, but doesn't think WoS is scum in the same post. Bullshit. Would lynch. Better list: kita/Ceph/geript/Risen Not lurkers, but actual possible mafia. Still might be scum, is definitely obsessed with the idea that VA is 3P. Claim makes no sense from VA but this dude is definite suspect. Added Felkyr to list. I agree that his post looks like mafia. Good work CC. Risen's opening posts are also horrible. CC best town. Agree with BH here to an extent. Weary of wily scum BH. Kita still maybe scum, more interested in speculating setup that scum WOULDN'T know 100% about than actually finding mafia. Geript scum with that unlynchable claim for sure. Desert Mini Mafia - I know less appliable because of mini but still note: + Show Spoiler + On August 30 2013 01:49 yamato77 wrote: I'm really only interested in figuring out the alignments of Marv and Hapa, because if they are town they will figure the rest of you out and we'll win the game. If they are scum we lynch them and the game becomes far easier to figure out. So forgive me for ignoring everyone else, my posts will be focused on them. First of all, the way Marv entered the thread earlier today acting superior is a "holier than thou" attitude that I would not expect from town Marv towards two players he has played with so much in the past (Oats and myself). Mind you, his interactions with us basically served no purpose other than to establish his early activity, discredit my early vote, and to shit up the thread with Oats. He doesn't think either of us are mafia. Plenty of mafia motivation in his actions there. Since then, of course, he's been pro-town, but I know he's more than capable of that for at least a few hours. What is even more perplexing to me is that Hapa, when questioned about the alignment of Marv, specifically said that this did not look like a "holier-than-thou" scum-Marv. If Hapa was town and Marv scum, he may be the only one well-versed enough in the wiles of mafia Marvellosity to truly push his lynch, but this shows that he's either not reading Marv very closely or has pre-decided what he thinks of Marv with some information from out of the thread. Either way, this is what a mafia Hapa would be like regarding Marv as either alignment. I may yet be wrong and this could be attributable to Hapa being up late and tired from all the awesome DotA we played, but it's something to note. Aside from those interactions, I've yet to be particularly impressed by the scumhunting efforts of either player, but it is still in the first half of D1 and there is time yet to do better. Hapa going after debears was not what I usually see out of him as town. If anyone wants to talk about the alignment of these two, feel free to respond. I will be on thread later. On August 30 2013 08:18 yamato77 wrote: Giant post inc RE: Marvellosity/Hapahauli This post is Hapa's read on Marv. It's also entirely truthful in Hapa's assessment of scum Marv's play. We've talked about this before on skype many times, and he's said that this is how he "catches" scum Marv. What I disagree with is his conclusion, that this game is somehow NOT indicative of this scum-Marv attitude. Not holier-than-thou, eh? I beg to differ. Like I said, Hapa is either not reading closely enough (never seen town Hapa do this) or has already decided Marv's alignment (town Hapa wouldn't do this either). My post wasn't "fail-logic". I know what I'm talking about. As a follow up to this read, Hapa posts this: 1 Bitchy isn't somewhat of a holier-than-thou way of acting? If all you do is complain about the play of others, doesn't that imply that you put yourself on a pedestal above them? 2 Doesn't this sort of contradict your earlier assessment of his scum play? And it doesn't seem like he's agreeing, for the most part, with the most vocal/influential players in the game (yourself, rayn to an extent)? Notably, he's largely avoided interacting with me about my reads. He didn't even respond to my post until you asked him to. Doesn't that seem a bit off? Also, on the topic of debears, you said this: It's not so much that you're going after someone (in fact I expect you to do that), it's that you picked someone already under some pressure (debears) and the post you made about him was... lackluster. For reference: This post is bad OVERALL, not just in its suspicion of debears. I've already commented on that. But specifically, why are debears' suspicions of Scib so hard to understand if you only have him as null? And did you read his scum game YANMM (that debears was in)? He started out in a similar fashion to this game with policy talk and a general "pro-town" style. It's not unsubstantiated if you know the context. But you didn't bother to ask, did you? Plus, when the fuck do you say "darrrrrrn scummy" when talking about mafia? Why is debears voting for Scib somehow scummy when deebs is plainly stating the scum motivations he sees? Post reeks of bullshit, Hapahauli. Notably, it's also your first post of the game, and I KNOW you have a hard time getting going as scum. That's why I was suspicious of you in the first place, and your Marv read is just another red flag. RE: Debears Deebs is someone who played when I started. Like I said, he also played in YANMM as SK with scib, so I don't see anything wrong with how he approached sciberbia in the early game. It's something I noticed as well, but didn't put as much stock into. Debears is notorious for tunneling early D1 and getting reads off that, so I'm totally fine with his play thus far in the game and wouldn't worry about him unless he becomes far less active. RE: Scib In YANMM he made a setup-focused post like this one as his first post and it rang some alarms but I, in my noob days, ignored it because of how bad people generally were in my NMM games. To see it again this game is somewhat disturbing, but like I said, it's not damning. These consecutive posts feel weird. I did indeed respond to him, he just either didn't get the hint (I was suspicious of Marv) or was downright ignoring my posts and threw shit at me for nothing. I even explained my read on Marv at some point, as he noted in this post, yet he never attempted to disagree with me, he just shat on my read and said I wasn't "engaging in the discussion" (read: contributing to the spam-fest). No really that important either, just plain odd. Other than that, most of his filter is arguing with Rayn/Debears which is not what I'd expect from a scum scib that I remember to have been rather quiet. He's also obviously affected emotionally by the posts of others at times and seems interested in actually finding mafia. He posts some weird things, but I generally don't like to get caught up in semantics with people who play this game that I don't know that well. If there's anyone else worth talking about, ask. I'll broaden my horizons because Hapa/Marv (even if I am right) can't be the only scum. Note I don't think him having long posts is an indicator, merely that he's more comprehensive in his outlook, something you don't need to do as scum and can just pick specific people in order to appear active. On August 30 2013 08:44 yamato77 wrote: Is he really, though? It seems like he wants to use these back-and-forth exchanges more as an avenue to shit on my play and my reads than to actually get anything useful out of it. If I am right about him, there is plenty of motivation for scum-Marv to want to discredit me when town-Marv is usually more cooperative even when I am tunneling him, in the recent past. Why the change this game in his response, and his overall attitude as compared to his recent play? On August 30 2013 22:04 yamato77 wrote: I'm not thrilled with a Syl lynch. I've never seen him post his much, ever. Something tells me he wouldn't pick his scum game to start tryharding. Hopeless I still have yet to read, but honestly FT is not a terrible lynch. Scum Day One Play: Not really interested in helping town lynch someone. Persona + Show Spoiler + On August 22 2013 09:02 yamato77 wrote: Honestly I'm just tired of people calling each other scum and arguing about it for days. I don't know how many times I have to tell people that this is fucking pointless. This is the main thing which you should get from this. In addition, you should read the thread itself. I actually think Yamato plays a very good game here, but the problem is that he appeared comprehensive, but he wasn't actually trying to get someone lynched. That doesn't seem to be his goal, merely a coincidence that agreed with the posts he was making. Wasn't actively trying to make people respond, get them thinking about Vayne for instance when he pushed him. GoT Mafia + Show Spoiler + Basically didn't post much, didn't actively push for his lynches. Evidently didn't care. Read it here. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423047&user=yamato77&view=all Policy Lynches He pushed two in Desert Mini Mafia as town. He pushed for others to join him and seemed sincere . Namely, Rayn and Marv. As mafia, there is not much to go on. But he did make a mention of "possibly voting kush as policy lynch" but then never followed up on it in Persona mafia. + Show Spoiler + On August 21 2013 10:09 yamato77 wrote: Usually I don't even bother reading the thread when it gets as stupid as it has now, but I did. Because I'm a masochist. All of you fighting among yourselves and arguing with people you think are scum are making my head hurt. Thankfully, there are a few things worth responding to: Vayne's first post is suspect. His most definitive read is a 3P read (wtf?) on a player already under suspicion. Why is he so strongly considering the possibility of a 3P? As with Rayn before, the preoccupation with reads that aren't in the town<--->scum continuum is something worth noting. The rest of his post is notably garbage and he has yet to substantiate anything he's said so far. Definitely flying under the radar due to the massive blip of a shitstorm Rayn/DP/WoS created. As for the Rayn/WoS situation, I'm not sold on the WoS=scum theory. Rayn's entire case is based on the idea that a person should always play as they do as town given a similar situation. Funny enough, it is the SAME rationale DP used to accuse Rayn, yet was ultimately dropped. Do I need to explain why these meta reads are fucking terrible or can we all agree to stop being bad and scumhunt with more conventional means? And yet no one wanted to policy lynch him. Offer is still on the table btw. Other general notes Read this:right here from boardwalk and contrast to his current game of town. Overall a clear example of involved Yamato vs. Apathetic Yamato who tries to be an involved Yamato. Persona is a slight disagreement with my theory, but supports it in that Yamato isn't actually trying to get anyone lynched. I don't get the impression. He makes posts but isn't involved. So what does it mean I have to get going soon but evidently look at Yamato, he didn't really push for Vayne to get policy lynched merely voted him and gave a single comment. Not same as he does in town. Here is his filter: Here. More response then commentary, targets specific people rather than overall try to figure out who's town and who's scum. Tunneled Grack for a bit and that's it. Yamato is playing like scum in that he isn't actively caring, as demonstrated by his previous day one play, recent from all his recent games excluding TL Noir. Vote Yamato it's like, in scum games he is more focused - when he's scum, he's trying to look townie, and he makes more of the surface motions of townie analysis than he does when he actually is town + Show Spoiler + On September 15 2013 12:04 Pandain wrote: Hey guys, remember that we haven't won yet, even though it's starting to look really good. Let's keep up the good town atmosphere. Your posts should make points, this allows us to help analyze you later and also you share your thought process! I'm going through what, first, is the obvious choice. Lynch OP . His original posts following the thread: show or indicate a mindset where he is willing to give up. As in, he doesn't believe he can prove he's town. Furthermore, I actually do agree there is a chance that there are two survivors. I never rule out the impossible. However, it is indicative he is scum because of the retroactive effect, the less likely there are two be two survivors, the more that he's scum. Alright, makes sense. To me he's going to end up scum because I can't see there being two KP. If both scum and SK hit townies, without blue intervention, town could only have two mislynches, which is pretty harsh. So for further analysis during this day we should assume he's scum, although again it's not certain and if wrong we need to re-evaluate things. Kush is certain scum to me. His post here reveals he knew scum had fake claims. He later explains here: There's no way he asks this when he gets his role. Why would anyone ever do that on this planet. This alone is enough for me, but I will also add that he doesn't give a shit, is actively trolling, but then says he will try and play serious. He is doing a persona of a troll rather than an actual troll. But again, the above was enough for me anyway. Koshi is town His posts are too genuine. Here is his filter. Here you go! Like Rayn, he posts a shit-ton, but however unlike Rayn you see a logical progression of ideas and they always have an immediate point and an intent to promote discussion. If you have questions about this please ask me and I'll go more in detail with specific posts. Umasi is town Doesn't post much, but is attempting to promote discussion, albeit late because he was a replacement. Also Goodkarma struck town to me as he correctly identified the pointless koshi/grack/va/snb situation. This post to me seems like he's attempting to generate discussion: He pressures blub, but rather than go afk eventually or even stick with "he's suspicious," he actually changes to the scum that we now know in OP Rayn I'm a lot less suspicious of Rayn, honestly. To be frank most of my analysis was that he was disrupting the thread, and trying to nail everyone who I thought was town. But him on OP is one of the main tells that he's town, he actively didn't vote for blub(or zealos, if we assume zealos is town), despite an active presence in the thread. This vote, disregarding on what he says, indicates to me he is probably town. where he feels more genuine, but that means he's less focused and less driven to make specific cases. this makes me rethink my previous read on him. like, even though it would be more rational for a scum to act like he did around his rayn read than for a town, the tone of his filter makes me doubt that scum read. so i dont want to lynch him today anymore. | ||
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On October 30 2013 01:01 Oatsmaster wrote: Lol SnB just claimed scum. Can we lynch SnB guys? ##unvote ##vote SnB i assume youre referring to the clarity thing. how is it scummy to want him to replace out. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On October 28 2013 14:01 WaveofShadow wrote: Just popped in to say ##Paranoia I don't like your play this game either Prom. Your first post yelling at everybody not to be powering everybody up....I completely agree with. I just wouldn't have expected it to come from you. You take it a step further though---you say not only is powering other people up dumb, but you say it's policy lynchable. Have you pursued this course of action in your questioning of all of the people who have done so thus far? And THEN, not 4 posts later, you explain to everybody how to power you up. This reminds me of the very first ever game I played with you Prom, LX, in which you created some horseshit RNG talk early 'just to get discussion started' and you were promptly lynched for it---and flipped red. So Prome, your reads list at the start of the game. All I remember is you saying you'd lynch me based on my entry to the thread. I don't see you pursuing your policy lynches, your apparent scumreads or your 'discussion.' Funny part is' you never actually call me scum, you just say you'd lynch me based on me entering the thread and leaving, and even THEN you don't pursue it, and have not mentioned me even once since then. Your activity is pretty fantastic and all, and I get that you think Pandain tryharding is also pretty fantastic, but that don't mean shit imo. It's funny though, you say you'd rather base your read of Pandain off of what you get from him this game only and ignore his past meta, but you're ok to base your weak early read of me on meta even though you haven't played a game with me in ages? You are incredibly inconsistent just from your first few posts and I don't like it. I don't like it one bit sir. Care to discuss? ##Vote: Promethelax On October 28 2013 14:24 WaveofShadow wrote: And just like Palmar in Thug Life I will point out: you are basing a meta read of me on something that is months old and you are missing out on half my mafia career with that read. That seems like a terrible meta read Prome. Are you terrible? Palmar wasn't terrible when I called him out for that. He was scum. On October 28 2013 14:28 WaveofShadow wrote: Do you think as scum I would be likely to attack a town Prom as my primary mislynch target? Prom is there a reason you don't feel like talking to me and instead feel the need to graze over my questions with Oats instead? Am I bothering you? On October 28 2013 22:57 WaveofShadow wrote: Your case to me seems based on basically nothing. Oats clearly posted his thing directly after my post not as a reply to it, and as far as correcting what he viewed as inconsistencies, that could theoretically be seen as towny since poking holes in a case on your scumread will either dismantle it or make it stronger---becoming something you can use. I don't personally believe it is alignment indicative but whatever. I didn't get a scumvibe from Oats for not specifically taking the points I used and running with them because he was working on his own stuff and looked like he was actually trying to figure out what was useful or not from my case. On October 28 2013 23:10 WaveofShadow wrote: So despite me harping on you for your meta read of me, you just realized this? Marv I actually had a townread on someone else this game for something very similar but that was very late last night and I can't remember who it was exactly. Not the arrogance but the quizzing and confidence that people 'see him as town and here's why.' I'll try to look back and figure out where it was I came up with that. Essentially your read to me makes sense, and I'm glad it is for reasons that didn't occur to me/are not related to my case since that gives me more to think about. I'm always a little bit wary of giving experienced players townreads based on mafia not being so upfront and arrogant though because there are definitely people very capable of that kind of play (ie Pandain). I guess in Prome's case it's mroe the mindset behind that type of play and his posting? I'll have a closer look. On October 28 2013 08:28 WaveofShadow wrote: I find the fact that Pandain even gets a slight scumread from my opening post hilarious. He's played games with me and should know almost every single opening post of mine is along the lines of what I rolled and I often whine about something, often what I rolled.  To me Pandain it looks more like YOU are the one who is trying to contribute something to look good---I don't find anything you picked out regarding me OR Rayn scum-indicative in any way, and as such I find your posting incredibly weak thus far. Oh and I suppose I should have mentioned this before the game started but considering my not-so-great play and the embarrassing length of my filter in Thug, I plan on keeping things way more concise than usual. I do not plan to be in the top few posters lengthwise this game. Make of that what you will. Anyway I'm tempted to fuck off until whatever Sentinel did resolves but I suppose that wouldn't be very helpful. Guess we'll see. generally i don't like this, not one bit. it's like, scum are much more likely to do that kind of thing than town, because they care much more about deflecting small amounts of suspicion from them. note that none of these early things that wos is responding to amount to any serious pressure, any serious chance of him getting lynched, but he still attacks the people who attack him. Prome, as for your case - (1) his soft claim - well, i guess it's getting towards 'later in the day' when he said he would use his post. but if we're talking about claims i think sent's is way worse than his. (2) not being here post - meh. i've done that as town, no reason why someone else cant. (3) 9 minutes. a little suspicious? but i could easily see him having gotten three or four of your filters from the database, scrolled through looking for big cases, and coming up empty in that amount of time. also if he actually knew it was bs, why say that as scum? 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On October 30 2013 01:35 Oatsmaster wrote: Fuck, both marv and Prome are pushing Wave, BUT I THINK ITS THE WRONG LYNCH. Strong and Big is scum. Discuss. So SnB comes in, calls people town and then argues a bit about Pandain being scum with marv. not a strong start here. Disappears and then posts this. Which really rustled my jimmies. He throws suspicion on me for something that he misread. Why would he throw suspicion on me but not follow it up with any questions or try and figure out if there was anything else scummy about my play? Also, I kinda dont like the 'rather lynch who than who', because it still leaves the option of changing your mind and not looking bad. Also here is the switch on his read on Pandain. Hes scared that pandain(scum) might actually be lynched so he wants to flip his read around and decides to randomly filter Pandain and not any other people. Odd? Yes. Very odd. Also here, he doesnt give a read on Clarity, this is a policy lynch on a townie. Nothing here says that clarity is scum and we should lynch scum. He doesnt think clarity is scum. This is important. He seems to know that Clarity is TOWN. So Marv/prome, why is WoS a better lynch than SnB? And how do you guys not wanna lynch SnB??? yeah i got you confused with kushmasta, who i was scum with in sicilian. i filtered pandain because i said i would filter him when i posted while catching up to the thread. also how is it odd that i went back and filtered the guy who was previously my top scum read. how is that odd. love the connection case with no flips btw. then your last point he doesnt give a read on clarity he seems to know that clarity is town lol seriously though do you disagree with me? regardless of clarity's alignment i don't want him alive at lylo unless he starts playing differently. | ||
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On October 30 2013 02:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: SnB have you read the whole thread and if you have, when did you finish doing it? yes and it was when i started working on my pandain post, so maybe like an hour ago, maybe a little less. | ||
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On October 30 2013 02:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: StrongandBig where the hell are you and why did you say exactly what i did about Pandain after you had read my comment about him and his play this game??? I'm in class you assdouche. Go take a chill pull. Preferably a suppository. I assume you're referring to this post: On October 29 2013 23:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Koshi: This is what Pandain's town play looks like: Q/A, Q/A, Q/A, Q/A, summarization of his reads, Q/A, Q/A, Q/A, Q/A, summarization, maybe some sort of a case, repeat. This is what Pandain's scum play looks like: stuff, some weak reads, stuff, stuff, a case on someone, stuff, some defences against thread sentiment (usually on townies), soft buss, stuff, stuff, stuff, defence.. repeat from after the "a case on someone". At some point that falls apart because he busses so much. When Pandain busses he does not really intend to lynch his scumbuddies. He does also defend a lot of people just for the sake of defending. You catch him when he has bussed someone and when they are up for a lynch he suddenly doesn't want to lynch them anymore (see Thug life and Palmar). This actually isn't the same as what I said, what I'm talking about is the tone of the cases and summaries in his longer posts whereas i read your post as being about whether or not hes asking questions and whether hes mixing soft busses with "defenses against thread sentiment." I was pretty specific and so were you. I agree they are similar though. Even if they were exactly the same, I would have posted my thing anyway because I want people to know what my thought process and analysis were. When I was making up my mind about pandain I did it without thinking about what you or other people said about him, I was looking at the evidence and making my own read. Are you claiming that you think I just took your conclusion and then spent twenty minutes making it more specific, reading old games and filters and getting the evidence for it that you didn't, because that's easier than making up some shit? Or is it maybe more likely that I happened to come to a similar analysis as you? | ||
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On October 30 2013 03:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: No i don't. I would have expected you to say something about my post or me when you made a post quite similar. Is there a reason you didn't? I was writing out my thought process and giving evidence in that post, not evaluating the opinions of others. More importantly, I didn't take notes when I read through the thread, so picking through and finding what each person said would have been a waste of time and effort. | ||
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On October 30 2013 05:38 WaveofShadow wrote: Fuck buddying, do people honestly think Seuss is scum after this post? So fucking transparent about everything he does---yeah it could be faked I suppose but not to the degree he's taken the questioning from people. SnB---you know...I think i actually like my vote on him. His case on me isn't one at all. He defends me to Prome and then just says 'I like Rayn's case better' without adding anything of his own. And then this: Why does he keep defending me? More than anything it looks like he is pre-shifting responsibility for when I flip blue, even though he could have just sheeped me and not had any responsibility to BEGIN with because he had NO hand in my lynch! Pre-assumed guilt is forcing him to do this imo....SnB could very well indeed be scum. Defending a mislynch as scum doesn't make a whole lot of sense unless you see it from that perspective---he is trying to hedge his bets while trying to be on the 'right' side of town. im not defending you the attitude that if i agree with someone's conclusions i have to agree with all of their logic is one of the many silly tropes in mafia also i guess i didnt vote yet ##vote: waveofshadow | ||
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On October 30 2013 05:34 Pandain wrote: Day one scum try to contribute and appear town, but aren't that actually dedicated. They usually aren't retarded, think through their posts, and still don't try to help town atmosphere. All the things a scum would do on day one I see in SnB which of these things are not also things a townie without much time would do? i guess the thread atmosphere thing, but how am i hurting thread atmosphere? On October 30 2013 05:42 Pandain wrote: Problem is SnB also made a genuine effort to point out why Palmar was scum in Thug life. SnB can go hard to explain a read he's confident in when it benefits you. The problem is even if he did, was that in the approach to help town or to explain himself. If it's to help town, why share it when really I wasn't under any suspicion. If it's to explain himself, it makes sense to defend me as I'm town and that will be revealed later/he's ultimately right. I don't think SnB is giving an effort to help town, I think his effort ultimately only shows that he's interested in appearing town by posting reads. Has he really attempted to change this lynch or help drive a lynch? dude you were on my team, you KNOW that wasn't a genuine effort because I knew palmar was scum because he was ON A TEAM WITH THE TWO OF US also did even that case didn't involve any actual research into palmar's past games also i forgot that sentinel claimed he doesn't know what his power does. but why is saying that scum motivated. last thing, why would i have attempted to change the lynch when i like it | ||
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On October 30 2013 05:43 WaveofShadow wrote: Where did you get that from? I am more inclined to agree with someone's conclusions or logic if they have the same process of thought at the time as me when I am town---such as marv. Nice of you to rejoin us though. what i mean is i can think that promethelax's reasons are bad and still think you are scum | ||
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On October 30 2013 10:41 Pandain wrote: Do you still want to nuke someone. If so who and if so why not wait and lynch them through genuine town consensus when we have more information. Why are you so obsessed with condoning nuking Cause it's more fun than not | ||
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Decided to nuke HCC because (a) I don't like the way he swapped to pandain from wave for no reason, (b) don't like how he powered up koshi for no reason at the very start if the game then attacked people for doing the same to sentinel, (c) don't like how he only talks about me and oo while yelling about going after easy targets, (d) general feeling. | ||
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On October 30 2013 11:37 strongandbig wrote: Okay ##Nuke HotCottonCandy Oh wait I spelled it wrong Gee I can't believe I mistyped [UoN]Sentinel so severely. | ||
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On October 30 2013 21:43 marvellosity wrote: Which two people would you flip right now if you had the chance? Well, I'm actually kind of unsure now about wos. Once pandain made my vote not matter I didn't have to decide whether I believed the turnaround. So like, I would be happy if he flipped but I'm not sure I want to flip him. I think I'd go with ooh child and vayne. Sent I'm struggling with because I feel like the way he played is antitown but I can't see his power going to mafia unless they're all fake. So if they turn out to be all fake nukes at the day post then sentinel. | ||
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On October 30 2013 21:43 marvellosity wrote: Which two people would you flip right now if you had the chance? Well, I'm actually kind of unsure now about wos. Once pandain made my vote not matter I didn't have to decide whether I believed the turnaround. So like, I would be happy if he flipped but I'm not sure I want to flip him. I think I'd go with ooh child and vayne. Sent I'm struggling with because I feel like the way he played is antitown but I can't see his power going to mafia unless they're all fake. So if they turn out to be all fake nukes at the day post then sentinel. Actially nm I think I still would put wos on the list above sentinel. I just get really bad feelings about how self-focused he was early in day 1 on people who attacked him despite the pressure being largely superficial. | ||
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I had assumed the nukes had to be used immediately because I'd assumed they were probably mostly or all fake. However if most or all nukes are fake then it doesn't make sense to have them stick around for another phase after they show up, they would be pointless after some dropped during the night phase. Fake nukes only make sense if you make people use them right away, like I thought at first. | ||
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On October 31 2013 00:44 Promethelax wrote: Is there anyone besides marv who did NOT get a nuke? I'm super fucking confused about how this one went down. And Sent is immune to nukes. So, uh, I don't think Oats is totally crazy to assume that he might be 3p. It all depends on what happens with these nukes really but I can't see it being balanced for either town or scum to have the ability to throw piles of nukes everywhere. marv did get a nuke everyone got a nuke hes like oprah for nukes | ||
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On October 31 2013 01:41 Pandain wrote: Does anyone disagree SnB is scum btw? I do Why am I scum No one has made a case I can respond to Also I'm not Also I'm probably dying at the end of night anyway | ||
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On October 31 2013 02:06 WaveofShadow wrote: How am I supposed to know what affects your read and what doesn't? Everybody needs reminders sometimes, even you, o unfallible one. Regarding SnB: What are you referring to here exactly? This bothers me because I feel like a ton of people did exactly the same thing but you're trying to find a way to justify your nuke on VA. I suppose I understand your reasoning at the end of the post regarding why you still want me to flip, but I don't understand why you said you were unsure in the beginning. I also don't understand---do you think OOHCHILD/Vayne/me are all scum together? Because i'm not sure that is possible. 1. Like I said, once I decided I didn't want to kill pandain, I decided that you were a good choice to lynch and better than the other options people were voting for (if there were any, I don't remember). I'm pretty sure I posted something about that where i said i disagreed with promethelax's case but i still thought you were scum. and my filter is pretty short, you must've read that right? 2. "Trying to find a way to justify" vs "explaining my reasons for". If I was scum and wanted to yolo lynch someone, I would've made up reasons for nuking rayn or Marv or someone good instead of vayne right? Or I would have just kept my nuke, but I see no scenario in which nuking vayne isn't worth my life as scum. Especially when I can be pretty sure a revenge nuke is coming (since this is VA we're talking about). Instead, suppose I'm a townie, I've decided to use my nuke before going to sleep, I look around at the players who haven't been nuked yet, and I choose vayne. How does my post in this scenario differ from what I actually posted? (Protip: it doesn't) Also I strongly disagree that other players who had not yet been nuked had done all the things I talked about vayne doing. He was definitely more hypocritical and more suspect than the other people who were still alive and unnuked. 3. The only reason I was unsure was that Marv and prome seemed persuaded by your outpouring of emotion and rage. I think they're both good players so the fact that they appeared to think you were genuine made me hesitant. 4. I don't care who you are scum with. I don't look at potential teams until someone flips. I look for the people most likely to be scum and try to make all of them die. | ||
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On October 31 2013 02:36 WaveofShadow wrote: 1) Yes I read your filter, and I had already commented on your disagreeing with Prome's case and calling me scum---we even had a conversation about it earlier yesterday. What I don;'t understand is why you refer to it as trying to change a lynch. There is a difference between soft-defending and opening up your options and actively trying to prevent a lynch. This is mainly why I found you scummy D1, because you are being super wishy-washy about me and half-defending me while still putting weak reasoning for lynching me on top of that (using Rayn as your backup). 2) Any reason you could have come up with for yolo nuking marv (for example) would have been awful, so that's a terrible example. VA is just one of those nukable players, but yes, I see what you're saying in that the trade probably isn't worth it---though this may hinge on whether you believe the nukes are real or not. I suppose that reasoning makes it even less likely if you believe them to be fake, like I do. 3) k 4) k I'd probably downgrade you to null based on this honestly, though I'd still like to talk about #1 if you don;t mind. Maybe let me know on that note what you currently think of Rayn. he's doing a whole lot less than I expect of him. Pandain said I was scum for not trying to change the lynch, i said why would I try to change the lynch if I agree with it. | ||
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On October 31 2013 02:41 strongandbig wrote: Pandain said I was scum for not trying to change the lynch, i said why would I try to change the lynch if I agree with it. So why did you nuke me wave? | ||
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On October 31 2013 02:46 WaveofShadow wrote: First of all, because at that point I still firmly believed you were scum. Second, can you explain a little more thoroughly, I'm really not following. Maybe I'm an idiot. Pandain said you were scum for not trying to change what lynch? Idk, I assumed he was talking about your lynch. The post of his is quoted in my post that you quoted. | ||
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On October 31 2013 03:07 WaveofShadow wrote: Ok maybe that's where my inability to understand the context stems from. Why would Pandain assume you were trying to change a lynch of me here? He mentioned I guess that he's not sure if you are trying to change it or support it but that's not what I got out of the soft defenses of me at all---those were way too weak to change any sort of lynch and it was clear to me you actually wanted me lynched. I just assumed it was so a scum you could go back and point out the instances where you wished and washed so as not to be blamed. Maybe Pandain can answer this stuff himself---he may be a good place to look as well. yeah i dont really know what he was getting at but i assumed he was talking about the main lynch at the time, which was you. | ||
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On October 31 2013 08:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am now going to go buy cigarrettes. I will answer you when i am back. Apparently i need to tell this from now on. HOW DOES IT FEEL RAYN HOW DOES IT FEEL NOW THAT THE TABLES HAVE TURNED! | ||
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I really feel like you're just continuing to say I'm scum because you're comfortable with having a scum read on me. You mention me like a hundred times as one of your preferred lynches but you haven't done anything substantive to explain that or persuade anyone why I'm likely scum. I don't like it. | ||
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Let me know if I got that wrong Anyway I looked at sent again. I read his filter this game and his filter from noir where he was scum. No quotes cause on phone. Filter this game feels very different from noir filter. Noir he was way more "srsbsns I'm makin reads guise". However, I can't decide whether that indicates an alignment difference or if it's just cause this game is a crazy themed game where he got a troll role from the hosts. I'm still a little stuck on the stuff at the start of the game about not retweeting koshi, then doing Marv, then doing koshi anyway. It just all feels pretty over-done/under-explained, if that makes sense. Also I kind of have a problem with him not really talking about anyone but kush and himself (and wos I guess). Like, the stuff in his case is mostly true - kush's actions were pretty much objectively scummy and terrible. But it's pretty convenient if sent's scum. But on the other hand, I know that can also happen to a townie under pressure, and judging by his noir filter it's not like tunneling is a scum tell for him. In conclusion: Sentinel could very well be scum, and I would say he's higher on my scummy list than many others in this game, but I'm far from convinced. | ||
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On October 31 2013 23:43 Koshi wrote: Can you give me a top 3 SnB? i can give you my current gut reads before i have to get back to my problem set. it's pretty messy, i feel like all my reads are mixed / "wishy washy" and people are going to yell at me for it (although I don't think faking a couple strong reads is particularly hard for scum). - kush has played objectively scummy, although i'm kind of worried about the "too scummy to be scum" aspect of things like his #shunnanigans, but kush would probably do it as scum - i'm worried about pandain despite my meta read of his long posts, he keeps posting things with reasoning that strikes me as pretty inane and my gut impression is that he's not updating his reads - VA - i believe what i said when i nuked him but i also feel like scumVA wouldn't have put in the effort to rethink his read on me after the nuke and engage in a conversation about it then i guess the next tier would be sentinel along with you and rayn, people who I think are pretty dangerous as scum and haven't really given me a particularly townie gut impression. Also there's seuss, next time I get some thread time I'll look through your case on him and his filter in detail. | ||
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Idk. On my phone. Basically any other town game. But srsly if you got the impression that I "care" less in this game than in noir that's silly, noir I was replaced in after I'd started another game and just didnt have enough time to give any shits. Also if you think losing is motivating I think you have a poor grasp of sports psychology. The rest of your case is pretty meh.. I'm not "posting like scum", I'm giving town my honest thoughts and opinions, you get what you get. A few specifics: - I felt confident in promethelax because I really liked his early attempts to engineer what I saw as a good thread atmosphere, I felt myself nodding to a lot of his points early. I tweaked later when I got more confident in Marv. - I didn't want to lynch clarity yet on day 1 because he hadnt said whether he was just never going to play or whether he was just out for a cycle or two. - sorry you don't like my reasoning on wos or vayne. Turns out I was wrong about wos, well have to see about vayne. But I also don't see how this kind of "weak" post makes me scum or fits your interpretation of my scum game being "more confident" or whatevs. - I nuked cause I wanted to use my nuke on the scummiest non already nuked person around. I said that I would do this, then there were several hours to discuss, then I did it. Like I asked wave, what possible scum motivation is there for me to nuke vayne there? | ||
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After the way I've been playing pretty sure if you decide to lynch me I'm not gonna be able to probe you wrong, especially with a problem set due tomorrow, another one due Friday, and my boss breathing down my neck about classes. So I'll just make a few points and then ignore it. (1) if I'm scum, I'm definitely not the only scum left or I would have resigned. I would obviously have zero win chance, and I'm pretty sure I have conceded as scum in the past, although I can't remember a game right now (except the one where I was a hydra with Drazerk and he wouldn't let me concede. (Hydra mini mafia 2 extra nuke edition). I think there was another one but maybe not. (2) when I've been around to play, people have apparently thought I was town. I persuaded wos and va, both of whom actually nuked me night 1, that they were incorrect. Only pandain was still tunneling me, and does it really make sense to kill him for his correct reads on clearly the weakest members of the scum team rather than kill someone who was on to rayn or whoever the hypothetical fourth scum is? Marv is probably right, pandain was probably killed for being basically confirmed town and unlikely to be jailed or protected. (3) if you guys think "not caring" or "apathy" is a scum tell from me at this point, you are wrong - I put way more effort into thug lyfe as scum than into noir as town, or even into golden sun as town. This game may be restoring my faith in TL towns a little bit but my recent streak has been finding town not very fun to play. | ||
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I kind of still think one of the charger roles is scum, and here's why. Night 1, when rayn "accidentally" sent the wrong power to Marv. The whole time, he acted as though he always knew that the "-1" power was the "helpful" power and the "+1" power was the "harmful" power. I really don't think this was the natural/intuitive assumption. The vast majority of the time, numbers in roles refer to the ability or strength of the role. How many KP you can block as medic or jailor; how many KP you deal as a vig; how many targets you can choose for any role, but especially as eg a list checker or other multiuse role. Like, if I was a scumteam with that power, I would be really worried about making a 1/2 KP vig into a real vig, powering up a list checker, or making a role that said "target 1 player to watch/detect/doctor/etc". Plus, even if you only talk about costs, it could just as easily be worded as "your starting power level is X + the number of people who Twerk" or even as "you gain 1 power for each person who twerks." The fact that rayn used the increase power on Marv and then immediately started walking it back makes means he knew it was the "harmful" power to Marv. The only way he could have known that is if there is a scum charge-up power role. | ||
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On November 06 2013 00:22 marvellosity wrote: You need to provide alternatives. Dunno why you signed up if you couldn't make any effort bro :/ Being scum in thug life was really fun. I thought town would be more fun too. I just need to take a break for a month or so. Like, it's not that I couldn't have put in more effort up to now, I only started having boss pressure this week. It's more that I didn't really feel like putting in more effort, specifically on day 2. I put in a satisfactory (to me) amount of effort day 1 and night 1. I persuaded the people who wanted to lynch me that I am town. And then on day 2 we had Marv guarantee and it didnt seem necessary or worthwhile to put in more effort. | ||
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Nah, it just says something like "any numbers which cannot be written in another way" | ||
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I JUST REALIZED Anthony Weiner Barak Obama Sarah Palin ##gg ##vote: Oatsmaster | ||
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Also interesting out of sent. Everyone who's claimed an in thread ##action is ##dead right? Sent do you have to only get alive players for both parts of your second wincon? I assume so because otherwise it would be impossible, since one of the vote changer people is probably going to die before all three of them target you. Also are you sure it means in thread actions and not all "##actions"? Cause based on the dead people's role pms, out of thread actions are also ##'ed, they just get pm'd to the hosts instead of posted in thread. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + (Koshi said that he thought the hosts could have told scum that somewhere not in their role pms, but i dont buy it. The hosts telling scum for free how town powers work would be pretty unprecedented and borderline bastardy IMO, scum already have information advantage about alignments and giving them information advantage about roles also would be pretty unfair. Almost as bad as giving scum an identical role with different costs and not telling them the costs are different, like in whose line mafia.) One possibility I hadn't thought of before - I guess it's possible that there is a scum charge up role that didnt claim ever or try to use powers. That seems sufficiently unlikely for multiple reasons that I'm comfortable still believing either prome or oats has to be scum. | ||
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Idk, that would require believing the hosts told the scum team how town powers work, which I find improbable. | ||
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On November 07 2013 00:46 marvellosity wrote: Why is that improbable? How else does rayn use his powers? Rayn's role pm is carefully worded not to give any information about how it affects other people in the game. If there were going to tell him what his role actually did they could have done it any number of other ways, like "increase the costs of all their powers by 1" or whatever. Like, If they were going to just give scum that information it's already pretty unfair IMO, since scum already have extra info about alignments, to give them also extra info about roles. But then to also make the fact that they did that a secret seems doubly bad. | ||
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On November 07 2013 22:37 Koshi wrote: We just got to lynch scum. That's prior 1. Need to keep lynching perfect. If you don't believe in 4 scums, then Sentinel really is the survivor. The question is then, did Oats roll something like dayvig and totally lied about his role. Or did Kush/SnB/VA roll something like dayvig and lied about being VT. VA I don't believe to be scum. Kush I believe to be scum. SnB mehhhhh. He entered the thread with VT claim. Maybe he doesn't like being a scum dayvig after Sicilian but mehhh. Lol koshi If I was a scum dayvig does my nuke make any sense? | ||
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We're lynching me tomorrow because I haven't been trying very hard, and somehow that makes me scum. Then we have to decide whether to lynch the charge up power roles or keep lynching the vt claims, right? ATM we have seven players left, of which four are charge up power roles, two are vts, and one is 3p. So worst case for town: assuming NKs go through and we don't solve the game with our blues. We have 5-(1)-1 now -> 4-(1)-1 after nk -> 3-(1)-1 after lynching me -> 2-(1)-1 after the next nk. At this point we lose if sent is scum - in other words, if sent is scum then tomorrow is mylo barring a save or jail. In the case where sent isn't scum, lets assume that the NKs are on Marv and koshi as town leaders, and that they both go through. If town lynches town at that point we lose. If we lynch sent at that point then after nk it's 1-1. Based on the vote counts, a tie means whoever gets voted first gets lynched, so at that point it's a race who can post in the voting thread the soonest after the daypost. Anyway, we have now Prome, Oats, VA, and Sent as the remaining players, and it's effectively lylo since we should try to avoid a posting race or no-lynching which makes sentinel the kingmaker. I'm not looking forward to towns chances at that lylo, cause I really have no idea which of those three is scum. If we lynch sentinel tomorrow then it's 4-1 -> 3-1 after nk with me, prome, va, and oats. At that point I probably get lynched and we are in a who-can-vote-first race at 1-1. So I guess the conclusion is we should lynch scum tomorrow, while one of koshi/Marv is still alive to be town leader, instead of lynching me, which either loses us the game directly or else puts us at a 3-1-1 where one of va, prome, or oats is the last scum. | ||
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[b]##Update Koshi ##Twerk ##vote: sentinel[\b] | ||
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On November 10 2013 03:12 strongandbig wrote: Meh, whatevs. ##Update Koshi ##Twerk ##vote: sentinel | ||
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On November 10 2013 12:14 Crossfire99 wrote: He did, but I only confirmed it from him like a few minutes before the deadline and I was kinda already writing the lynch post and wanted to trick people into thinking s&b was the last scum for suspense and whatnot, so that's why I did that. If s&b wants me to, I can undo that and make it so that VA concedes before the lynch. Eh, if I ever decide to care about my getting-lynched stats I'll just change it in the db. I think I've gotten mislynched twice already in the last three years, once over claims and once for not giving a shit. So do w/e | ||
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On November 12 2013 08:56 Blazinghand wrote: My RNG lynches have never lynched a townie Why are you claiming credit for palmar's random lynches? | ||
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. I'm unsure what really happens next as I've mainly just played these in person, but around now we would go around the circle with each person claiming they were vanilla characters in order. I'll start. I'm Crazometer and I'm a Citizen of Inaba.
