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I'm just here to lynch Wave. | ||
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Are you using a particular Mafia setup (e.g. C9++) or can we expect Drunk Mason Paranoid Gun Owner Day Vigilante Lovers with Bulletproof? | ||
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I'm expecting everything except a setup where everyone is a Serial Killer. | ||
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Wave is obviously scum. I know this because he's Wave and he's terrible at League of Legends. We should therefore lynch Wave. + Show Spoiler + <3 Wave | ||
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That was my way of saying, "Holy crap the game has started without me. I'm alive, but busy at the moment. HI WAVE!" Seriously I'm still in the middle of a wedding planning meeting with the future in-laws and if anyone asks me why I'm typing super fast I won't have a decent excuse. | ||
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On October 28 2013 11:50 Promethelax wrote: So I get that this is a theme game but everyone is just trying to get their powers charged up. Allow me to say: STOP! unless you have a town read on someone don't power them up. For serious. Why should we help scum this early in the game? Yer all dumb. Lets treat this like a normal game for a little while, get some scum reads and do this right. Random powering up of other people is, in my opinion, policy lynchable, discuss. This was honestly bothering me as well. People have been throwing hashtags left and right without a thought or care as to the consequences, and up until this post the only person who thought twice about it was Pandain (and even then only in the case of raynpelikoneet). It's not that Koshi, [UoN]Sentinel, marvellosity, or Oatsmaster are particularly suspicious at the moment, but it's pretty silly to just blindly power them up. It's also mildly irresponsible of them to immediately reveal that they have potentially useful powers, though at this point I expect everyone has something and it's likely not all powers are created equal. Based on the hashtags, it's pretty obvious that the powers are connected to their given celebrities. Someone a little more clever than I am and more experienced in mafia could probably make reasonably accurate guesses as to what their powers do My best guess is Refudiate (Sarah Palin) is going to be some form of role block. | ||
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On October 28 2013 12:55 Promethelax wrote: Seuss, no more role fishing without purpose. What do you think about oats and why? Rayn, I'll take you at your word that your power usage isn't alignment indicative at the moment. I'm sure you can figure out what I was getting at. I still like pandain for the moment based on his try Harding. I do t have meta on him so I get to read him on his play, a nice early try hard adds so e green points for now. Cotton candy, if you are so anxious to type why not say something useful. Early reads? Sorry, I was just really surprised at how much people were throwing on the table day 1. It's kinda like all the major town roles soft-claimed in a giant explosion of nonsense. Normally this would be a stupid thing to do, but then this game setup is pretty wonky. Oats is pretty confrontational and terse. He doesn't really address Pandain's concerns about rayn in a meaningful way, but just laughs him off. I don't really follow his [UoN]Sentinel scum/town rayn/Koshi logic because it isn't spelled out at all, it just sort of is. So right now I read him as slightly scummy, but he could just be town who isn't communicating well. We had a lot of those in my last game. | ||
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On October 28 2013 13:12 Promethelax wrote: Oats communicates poorly. That's his thing. Okay so how about Rayn? What do you think of him and why? I really don't like that he jumped on the countdown train, or any of the other power trains for that matter. It seems thoughtless at best. Similarly his accidental use of his power is concerning. Maybe he got caught up in the heat of the power craze, but we don't really know what was going on there. In terms of post content, he asks a lot of questions, but then that seems to be the basic mode of operation for a lot of people (including you, though to a lesser extent). Still, he seems to ask more than others and with less context, and his post volume can make him difficult to follow. His answers are very short, which isn't to my liking (can you tell I'm the verbose type?). Maybe that's another style thing I'm unaware of because I haven't played with you all before. So I've got a slight scum read on him. I'm not going that hard on anyone yet because everything just seems like a giant mess at the moment. | ||
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On October 28 2013 13:30 Promethelax wrote: I the resting sues, I can't say I agree with you but I like you. Thoughts on Marv. I... I think you're talking to me here (I the resting seus, what does it mean?). It's really hard to read marvellosity at the moment because all he's done so far is power someone else up, ask people to twerk him, and then ask people not to twerk him. He's a part of the whole powersplosion mess, which I don't like, but there just isn't enough at the moment to get a good read on him. On October 28 2013 13:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: Could you elaborate on how, at this point of the game, this makes anyone scum? What am i supposed to explain in my posts? Some non-existent reads with little justification? Or what? If you don't understand my thought process you should probably ask me about it. Okay. I didn't say it made you scum, just that I got a slight scum read. It's not like I went "QED rayn scum" and slammed a vote in your face. Your post that most stood out to me was this one: On October 28 2013 08:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: I have no idea if anyone here is mafia yet. How exactly am i buddying marv? And how do you even know i used a power on him? I'll be honest and say this could be a perfectly reasonable position, and you could argue that Pandain might be trying to trap you, but it's still a short answer that doesn't say anything. The second question is also pretty bleh. It's obvious to any observer that you used a power on marvellosity and immediately unused it. Up until this point you didn't even try and pan it off as anything other than an "oops", and suddenly you're being all coy about it. Questioning basic assumptions isn't the scummiest thing in the world, but in this case you just looked flippant and shady. I'd be interested to hear more on that point. | ||
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On October 28 2013 13:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: wow wow wow buddy. I don't understand the "Pandain might be trying to trap you", could you elaborate what you mean? I was totally not buddying marv, in fact it was the opposite as i just explained rofl. Now, how is that "clear for everyone that i used a power on marv"? Why can't i just type like ##kill Seuss , did i use a power on you now? Pandain somehow seems to know that i used a power on him, what's wrong with the question? Because if Pandain is scum he would know i am town and townies usually do not lie about using powers. Well he asked you a specific question with specific conditions attached. Those sorts of questions can get you stuck in the assumptions of the person who asked it, and sometimes get you in trouble. That's not necessarily what he was trying to do, but I brought it up because it's a reasonable possibility. I don't know how you can look at these posts and think anything other than "rayn used a power": On October 28 2013 06:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##Delegate marvellosity Because i am the fucking Baws! On October 28 2013 06:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: oh and fuck. FUCK! Undelegate marvellosity and fuck me.. :E On October 28 2013 06:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##Undelegate marvellosity On October 28 2013 06:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: You will know. You will also know that i am an idiot and fucked up. :E On October 28 2013 08:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: There is a reason why i used my power and as i said i fucked up somehow (you do not need to know how). Pandain is making assumptions that are based on absolutely nothing because he has no idea what my power is and he has no idea why i used my power on who i used it on. It's a fair point to say that Pandain doesn't 100% know for absolute certain you actually used a power, and even if he does he has no way to know what it did. That doesn't make your question/response any less evasive. I mean, you'd have to be one hell of a liar to pull a prank that convincing. | ||
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On October 28 2013 19:24 marvellosity wrote: You see this followup doesn't make sense. If Seuss is surprised/disappointed at how people were coming out and claiming asap, why then exacerbate the situation by making multiple comments with relation to guessing what these roles and powers were? If you're concerened about people claiming early, why then guess at powers and even ask other people to guess at powers? Boo. I'm an analyst. At the heart of my approach to mafia is finding all the puzzle pieces and putting them together. You can go back to the recent newbie mini mafia game and look through my coach QT with WaveOfShadow and see that it's exactly what I was doing there as well. When I'm given information I try to make sense of it and fit it into the puzzle. Perhaps it was a little egotistical of me, but the purpose of my post was largely admonishment. I wasn't asking others to guess at powers, but pointing out that revealing powers for no reason was stupid because people could guess at them. A bunch of people pulled out their powers immediately, several of whom (including you!) had to backtrack because apparently now wasn't the appropriate or best time for it. That, and the flurry of thoughtless power ups, is what got me in a tizzy. You've let the mafia know you have powers at a point in the game where you apparently don't even want to use them. I don't see how that's good town play. I wouldn't be so mad/confused if I knew you all had good reasons for bringing out your powers, and if I could be certain all of the powers coming into play are town powers. | ||
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On October 28 2013 22:34 marvellosity wrote: I have powers to use night 1 that I can only use with people's cooperation on Day 1. Your 'admonishment' is totally out of place when you do not know the circumstances with which people are talking about their roles. Given that it was made *extremely* obvious by how people posted in the thread that their roles required the cooperation of other people to work (my twerk, sentinel, prome, one or two others i forget probably), your entire angle is totally out of place. I can also tell you free of charge that you can't possibly hope to guess what my powers are based on what I've asked people to type or what people can probably guess my role name is. But no, don't consider this, just criticise... Like, your last sentence... What's the alternative? If both town and mafia need cooperation to use their powers, then they're going to try to achieve said cooperation. Bitching about it is ridiculous. Sorry for bitching. You have to keep in mind that I don't know what you know. I don't know how your power works beyond requiring cooperation. So when you come into the thread asking people to twerk for you, and then randomly ask people to stop, it looks like you're second guessing yourself. So if you're getting cooperation to use your power night 1 then that's reasonable. I thought you had the sudden epiphany that you didn't want to use your power today, which has a lot to do with why I was frustrated with you. Since my opinion is apparently in the minority I'll drop the subject and move on to hunting scum, but I thought I'd explain my thought process to you rather than just letting your inquiries remain unresolved. | ||
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On October 28 2013 22:44 WaveofShadow wrote: Hai marv. I can talk about Prome for just a little bit atm if you'd like, but I'm nor sure how long I'll be around so we won't be able to pick each other's brains as per usual. What exactly were you saving up regarding your townread of him to tell me? Oh and regarding Seuss (monte it's so weird to call you that) he seems pretty town to me. Like he said I coached him and his behaviour falls pretty in line with his last newbie, as well as what you determined to be him rolefishing. I give him the WaveofShadow newbie stamp of approval for now, though I would really like to hear some reads from him, as I know he is pretty capable of good analysis with way less to work with than has been posted in this thread. Yay stamp of approval. Now that I'm not distracted by marv here are my current thoughts. Promethelax: Probably town. When I, an unknown entity, entered the thread his first response was to solicit my opinion in a neutral way, and keep drawing more information from me regarding my mindset. This was good, pro-town play, as it lets him and everyone else get the chance to form a read on me. In general I'd call him inquisitive, he likes poking where there's gaps in information. He's been a bit more confrontational with some of the other posters, but confrontational isn't inherently anti-town. Without him we'd probably know a lot less right now. I can get why people would find his "I can't meta Pandain" and apparent lack of scum reads concerning, but on the whole I think he's clearly town. strongandbig: No idea, but unless he starts posting a crapton before the voting deadline I think we're better off pursuing someone else. We stand to learn absolutely nothing by lynching him, though applying pressure might help loosen his tongue. Oatsmaster: Maybe scum. There's still a lot of "if so-and-so is Y, so-and-so #2 is X" without an explanation of the logic. I don't think it makes sense for him to give marv a pass for not talking about who he doesn't want to talk about, but not give Promethelax a similar pass for not following up where he doesn't want to follow up. He says he's made a strong case but you have to go back through about 30 posts and pick it up in bits and pieces, which is time consuming and not all that convincing. I realize this may just be his posting style and "meta" or whatever, but I find it obfuscates information more than I'd like. You guys move faster than I can analyze and parse. Waugh. | ||
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On October 28 2013 23:32 Promethelax wrote: Suess. I consolidated all my scum reads, and the reasons for them in one post. So yeah. Read the thread. In fact the only reason for you to think about SnB would be the post in which I mention him as a possible scum read since litterally no one else has mentioned him. So you know I posted that post. What gives? I mentioned strongandbig previously as well, before you did in fact. He was still on my mind and since people asked for my reads I included it. | ||
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On October 28 2013 23:38 Koshi wrote: Then do ##Update Koshi What is holding you back? As a matter of principle I'm holding off on powering anyone up, despite marv's admonishing me. You also are pretty light on your posts, so while I think you're town now that may change and I don't want to make a snap decision I'll regret later. | ||
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On October 28 2013 23:53 Oatsmaster wrote: Ok thats a really bad reason to call me scum Seuss. Still a lot of associations? Quote more than the one I said about Koshi/rayn/sent please. Marv and Prome get different treatment because of different meta's. That was just one example of unexplained logic, but sure. On October 28 2013 14:25 Oatsmaster wrote: Man all the time this happens to me, I jump on a townie being scummy to me and scum jumps right on after. Not that Prome is town and WoS is scum, just that WoS is way more likely to be scum if Prome is town. That's the only other example. I felt there were more but that was due to my final point. I find your posting style hard to follow so a lot of what I felt were non-sequitur arguments were, on further review, consistent. | ||
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On October 29 2013 00:09 Oatsmaster wrote: Sorry man Seuss, I have problems explaining myself coherently  The Prome and WoS was something I was thinking about. It's alright, it doesn't help that my pace is apparently half that of the thread so I'm constantly playing catch up. I agree with you that Pandain's vote on rayn is bullshit, but what are you going to do if Pandain drops it? How critical is that vote to your read? With how the argument is set up Pandain looks pretty damned either way. If he keeps his vote there he's scum because it's stupid, but if he retracts his vote it was under duress and you can still paint him as scum. I'm curious because outside of Pandain's odd vote and "emotional late at night" excuse I don't read his actions are particularly scummy. | ||
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On October 29 2013 03:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: Another thing that bothers me is Seuss. When he last left the building, we had an argument going on. He never answered me after he got back. So hey Seuss, i think we got something going on between us and i think it's your turn to say something Sorry, you got lost in the shuffle. I saw your point about Pandain's initial attack, but didn't respond directly since I was trying to catch up on the rest of the thread. I concede your point on Pandain's initial attack. That was obviously a joke and Pandain should definitely have dropped that line of attack. We were talking past each other a lot earlier, as I was focused primarily on your delegate/undelegate and you must have been focused on your joke. For the record your delegate/undelegate still bothers me. I looked through your arguments and your only defense when Pandain brought it up was to deflect attention by bringing up his fixation on your first joke action, so I don't think this is particularly resolved (though you obviously undid whatever it was). That said, with Pandain and Clarity_nl up on the chopping block right now that's a matter which can rest until later, especially as marvellosity will possibly have some new insights on it tomorrow. I touched on this earlier, both in this post and in an earlier one, but I agree with Oatsmaster that Pandain's unwillingness to drop his vote when it was clear you were joking is suspicious. If that was all there was to it I'd write it off as a mistake, but he came out with that weak "late night emotions" excuse, and since hasn't been doing a good job arguing in his defense. He's got one post and all it says is: On October 29 2013 00:40 Pandain wrote: Yet problem is I found other reasons which were good to me and still were until he upped his game. First half Rayn was real poor play overall It's just another weak excuse. Maybe I'm misreading, but it sounds like he's saying his own reasons for keeping his vote on your are no longer valid, so why is his vote still on you? I don't get it. Regarding Clarity_nl, I understand why people think he's a decent target but I'm not sold on it. I do find his recent thread exit conspicuous and confusing, but as a scum play it's seems bad to run in, make people think you're scum, and exit stage right. The criticism of his initial post was warranted, but for most of his follow up posts if you'd hidden the names and made me try to choose between him, Oatsmaster, and you (rayn) I wouldn't have been able to do it. This is all made more awkward by the fact that neither Pandain nor Clarity_nl are here to defend themselves any more. While I was writing this we apparently started analyzing Koshi, so at least we won't be listless. | ||
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By itself your use of a power on marv is not proof of scumhood, it's just a point of data. Like it or not, it's going to fit into the narrative of raynpelikoneet for the rest of the game. It stands out amongst everything else you've done because it's an actual use of power and marv is going to reap the consequences or benefits tonight. I don't think anyone can make a case against you solely based on that, but you're probably going to be hearing a lot about it as the game goes on. Thanks for clarifying that you didn't succeed in cancelling it by the way. Although it would likely have come out tomorrow anyway, it's useful information. | ||
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On October 29 2013 05:10 Pandain wrote: Very poor post, list format instead of comprehensive. Also what is the middle paragraph which is a basic "I don't know." Also his other posts are really wishy-washy and constantly changing. I do think he's worth looking out for though shouldn't be a lynch target today. I don't think you should find my middle paragraph so surprising, I was just following up on an earlier post of mine: On October 28 2013 13:28 Seuss wrote: That said, what was with strongandbig's Vanilla Town claim? He just appeared, claimed, and disappeared. Is this another "that's just strongandbig" thing? Which was completely ignored, but probably with good reason as other interesting conversations were happening at the time and, admittedly, there's not much going on here. I was struggling with the whole "meta" thing a bit at the time because I'd been rebuffed fairly dismissively on "meta" ground for being suspicious of Oatsmaster. You say I was bullshitting, but I had very clear goals when I made that post: Give my strongest town read, my strongest scum read, and follow up briefly on the only independent post I made. Was there anything wrong with my other two reads beyond being in list format? As a final, somewhat unrelated question, what is this "comprehensive" format you're talking about (as far as I can tell it's basically list format without colons), and why is it better? | ||
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On October 29 2013 05:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: Of course it's a point of data. Everything is a point of data. Do you think a scum player would be more likely to out their power to someone who is town? Or do you think we are both scum with marv? Why would i as scum make a possibly target of myself regarding my power and uses of it (in case you think marv is town). How does that make sense? In case i am scum and marv is town i have given out my power and i will be held responsible of how i use it. I have no way to fuck up the town with it, i must do what's in town's best interest regarding my power and if i fail i will get lynched for it. So why is this again scummy for you in the first place? Largely because of how you've generally been extremely evasive about it. Like I said before, when Pandain brought it up you didn't say, "This shouldn't seem scummy to you." You said, "But you got on my case because of my other action." which can't really be called a response despite all the heat Pandain's taken. I think that in the heat of a mass power reveal is the perfect time for scum to reveal powers, and we don't really know what your power does yet so it's too early to write you off. There are a lot of possibilities when it comes to the relationship between you and marv, but they're not really relevant to the fact that you tend to change the subject quickly whenever your power comes up. Lately you've been a little better and more forthcoming, but just as Pandain's taken a lot of heat for his vote due to its timing, I'm not going to ignore your earlier evasiveness just because you've shaped up a bit since. | ||
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On October 29 2013 06:09 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I'd assume devoting a post to each person and using specific evidence to advance your argument. Except he went hog wild for this post from rayn: On October 29 2013 03:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay marv this looks much better. First things first. You will not get the PM until the deadline, i asked about it from the hosts. This is important. As that is the case, consider my twerk null. Another interesting thing. Your Promethelax "townslip" thingy, or what makes you think he is town. I find that reasonable, although i am not sure if i agree with that. I know i could, as scum, do what you are giving Prome a townread for. What is really interesting about it is WoS' reaction to the post. He doesn't seem to be agreeing with what you said as his vote yet remains on Prome. That's not what's weird in it however, what is weird is that he does not address the post in any way, he just let's it be like it didn't happen. If he thinks that does not make Prome town, why not say "i disagree" or something, as, by default, he should disagree with the post in case he still has a scumread on Prome. WaveofShadow why did you not say at any point, that you disagree with marv's reasoning about Prome being town and how does that not make sense? Why you just skip over the post and not address it in any way? I agree what's been said about Clarity, his case on Oats makes no sense given Oats' play this game and their history. If anything, Oats could be scum for making more sense than usual, but the reasons Clarity brings up are definitely bullshit. ^^ Another thing that bothers me is Seuss. When he last left the building, we had an argument going on. He never answered me after he got back. So hey Seuss, i think we got something going on between us and i think it's your turn to say something. Prome, what do you think of marv's reasoning on you being town? Do you think he is right in what he says? I also agree with what's been said about Koshi. He's really "quiet" and doesn't seem to be trying to do anything... Which, as far as I can tell, is similar to what I did except he didn't use colons or bold text. Just imagine the paragraphs starting with marv:, WaveOfShadow: etc. and I don't see the difference. | ||
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On October 29 2013 06:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oh god that post is so bad... Care to elaborate? | ||
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On October 29 2013 06:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: You can't call me out for being evasive as i wanted to use a power on marv, you yourself said claiming powers is bad, and now i am scummy for being evasive about my power. What, should i claim? Also the first chapter is a straight out lie. It's not about claiming. You could simply say, "I can't answer short of claiming." Instead you change the subject. The first "chapter" (paragraph) references this post: On October 28 2013 14:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: Pandain why are you using this as a reasoning to why i am scum when it's clear that you voted for me because of my earlier "power use" that should have been an obvious joke for you? You don't really address his suggestion at all. Like I said before, I'll grant that popular opinion is that Pandain got up in your grill for no reason and he's currently set to be lynched as a result, but that doesn't change the fact that you completely avoided his argument here. | ||
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On October 29 2013 06:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: Let me be more clear. This is what you say: This is what i have been saying all the time: Now explain. Please. On October 29 2013 06:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: I said at first he was rolefishing, because to me it sounded like (1) he wanted to know if i actually did use a power or not or (2) if i did, based on what he said earlier, he was rolefishing (because somehow it would be scummy for me to use a power). Fair point. The one post I quoted really stuck in my mind because of how far apart your response was from his inquiry, but your response is reasonable given your posts which preceded it. I can't really find any further fault beyond my general predisposition against the massive power reveal at the start, which is something of a personal preference and not an argument. | ||
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On October 29 2013 06:44 Promethelax wrote: Kinda...yeas I'm torn. Not that I'm very against the clarity lynch but well, Jesus look at the filter. And the cognitive dissonance is stunningly obvious, actually, I've convinced myself. ##Vote: OOOHCHILD I'll help with the pressure. We had a bunch of people like this in my last game and it honestly killed a lot of the fun. Hopefully he comes make a better accounting of himself. ##Vote: OOHCHILD | ||
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On October 29 2013 09:22 marvellosity wrote: And yet you're convinced enough that OOCHILD would make himself blatantly voteable by doing absolutely nothing and posting shit? That's more convincing to you? Ok Wave. There's a notable difference between OOCHILD and Clarity_nl, effort. It takes effort to make an argument, even a bad one. It takes zero effort to do nothing and/or post utter shit. | ||
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On October 29 2013 09:56 marvellosity wrote: Correct, and scum are liable to put some effort in, whereas usually players who do literally nothing (hello nyxnyxnyx) are the townies. Pretty surprised you're making this argument given how your game went actually. The scummers in your game actually put in effort, bad effort. I have unshakeable faith in the lurker policy lynch. I'm probably just biased because the lurkers in that game really made it a hair-pulling experience. Their presence was always looming in the background whenever I tried to make sense of anything, and it frustrated me (especially because it turned out they were all town, ugh). But you're right, there's a logical disconnect between "God lurkers are horrible and should all die" and "lurkers are scum and should be lynched". | ||
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On October 29 2013 10:07 marvellosity wrote: As long as we're clear, Seuss, that you're policy lynching and not actually aiming for mafia. Yeah. I honestly don't find OOHCHILD scummy or worth a lynch, but I voted for him and didn't say that aloud because I was hoping he'd feel pressure and post. | ||
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On October 29 2013 23:36 OOHCHILD wrote: Marvel how do you refute the "super bored at mafia" defense of Clarity? If Clarity is off the table who do you want to lynch? I don't know about marvellosity but I rate it slightly above "just hit puberty and discovered girls" in terms of convincing excuses. That and "hasn't read the thread" really hurt your defense of Clarity more than they helped. | ||
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On October 29 2013 23:56 OOHCHILD wrote: Why are you okay with lynch me Oats? I think I have been town. The fact at you basically ignore anyone who so much as looks at you funny really hurts your "I am town" case. You're actually posting now, which is an improvement from yesterday, but you're actively cutting off your communication with other players, which is distinctly anti-town. I might be slightly off the mark, but people don't want to put up with that nonsense so you're on the chopping block. | ||
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On October 30 2013 00:01 Koshi wrote: WHAT ABOUT UPDATING KOSHI DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD: I'm only using hastags for people who I feel very confident are town. I don't have a strong read on you either way at the moment (Clarity is elitist as a reason for training him? What?), so I'm holding off. I'm very much with marvellosity on the whole "We have a bunch of people will revealed powers, are they really all town?" question. I've got my fingers crossed that [UoN]Sentinel didn't ride the crazy train into a fully charged one-shot mafia power. | ||
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On October 30 2013 00:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am getting to that soon. I gotta eat first. But i want to lynch WoS or Sentinel, don't know which one yet. Dick move analysis say Clarity is town and i do not like OOHCHILD lynch at all. Based mainly on his self-suicidal behavior and the fact that when i said "i could lynch OOH just because" earlier on, suddenly some people voted for him with zero reasoning. Those votes would have been easy for scum to call out people for in case OOH was scum but nobody did do anything about it. OOHCHILD is reminding me a lot of istandwithmitt from my previous game. He's so controversial and antagonistic you can't believe any sensible scum/third party would make themselves a target like that. I'm less forgiving of Clarity_nl because July617 pulled a similar move Day 1 in my last game and he turned out to be the serial killer. I didn't think his initial post was as bad as Oatsmaster and others did, but Clarity's response has just been mind-boggling. ##Vote Clarity_nl | ||
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On October 30 2013 00:31 marvellosity wrote: We're not lynching Clarity today, so you need to rethink this, I don't want you wasting your vote. Fair enough. I'll listen to my strongest town read, but I still think I'm seeing meaningful parallels. ##Unvote | ||
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On October 30 2013 00:41 HotCottonCandy wrote: What is the cases on them? Pandain has looked flaky but nothing too serious to warrant a lynch. WoS randomly boosted Seuss who I haven't looked into at all but that seems incredibly weird. I guess that's worth pursuing. I'm a little weirded out by it honestly. The first time he stuck out his neck for me I was flattered and appreciative, but he's been bringing me up fairly often in a buddy-buddy fashion. The boost, whatever it does, is just the weird icing on the cake. | ||
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On October 30 2013 00:45 Koshi wrote: You don't know what it is? It's supposed to be super protown. No, I haven't received a PM or anything to indicate what it does. For all I know it's a placebo. | ||
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On October 30 2013 00:54 strongandbig wrote: should i update koshi? we've collectively powered up everyone else who claimed an in-game power and my faith in TL towns is low enough that I think town probably gets a better deal from powering up everyone than from powering up everyone but one person. Koshi is particularly obsessed with having his power activated. From my perspective Oatsmaster and marvellosity earned theirs by spending the day primarily working to help the town, and only really pushing for powers later. It may be that Koshi is just a very excited/excitable townie who really likes his power, but I prefer to remain cautious. | ||
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On October 30 2013 01:06 Promethelax wrote: Okay so I walked around the block and kicked puppies so I feel a little better now. Reread everything from page fifty and went into some filters. Suess you should ##Yolo Promethelax I'm not as certain of you being town as I am marv and Oats. Also, didn't you get the ones you needed earlier? I thought you wanted people to stop after that. | ||
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On October 30 2013 01:16 Promethelax wrote: I wrote that before SnB did it. But yes. I did. you should no longer Yolo me. I also see that WoS is the hot lynch now without my help. So woo! Well I'm glad I was paying attention.  | ||
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On October 30 2013 01:16 Promethelax wrote: You being less sure of me than Oats is funny as fuck. Explain it. Part of it is I spent a lot more time looking at Oats because of my initial read, so I'm more familiar/comfortable with him at this point. I'll admit that he gets brownie points for dissecting a post Pandain made which involved an attack on me. | ||
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On October 30 2013 01:24 marvellosity wrote: Seuss, I want to know who you want to lynch sooner rather than later. You're flapping around. I'd like to lynch Wave, but I was holding on to my vote because I didn't want to hop on the train when he hasn't had the chance to defend himself. The case against him is pretty strong. Given that we collectively believe Clarity and OOHCHILD to be bad-town, my next choice would be [UoN]Sentinel. The shenanigans with his power don't sit well with me, and Pandain looks more like he's playing poorly than playing scum. | ||
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On October 30 2013 01:32 marvellosity wrote: Didn't stop you from "pressuring" OOHCHILD did it? Why the difference? The difference being that I was the third vote on OOHCHILD, which put him in actual range to get lynched. WaveofShadow is set to be lynched with or without my vote at the moment. In both cases I'm using my vote as a tool, in the first case I was sending a message to OOHCHILD and in the second I sent a message to you (specifically, I think it's silly to use Wave's lack of a defense against him when he clearly hasn't been back to the thread since he put his pressure vote on OOHCHILD). | ||
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On October 30 2013 01:32 Promethelax wrote: do you individually believe anything? Plenty, but a lot of it dovetails nicely with what other people are thinking. When I have come out with my own ideas they've generally been ignored or shot down. I already mentioned that I've found WaveofShadow's buddy act with me weird. His ##Boost fakeout seems very coy and unhelpful, especially as he disappeared from the thread immediately afterward. It's not helpful to intentionally make a post that's supposed to elicit reactions and then disappear. | ||
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On October 30 2013 01:49 Promethelax wrote: find scum > defend self, fool This is something I've been struggling with this game. | ||
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On October 30 2013 01:57 marvellosity wrote: I'm having the opposite problem, I'm finding more people suspicious than usual. Curious that you're struggling to make any better vote than a policy vote. To elaborate, you guys move a lot faster than I've been prepared for and I've been struggling to keep up. Combined with a fair amount of scrutiny I've spent more than defending myself and reading then hunting scum. So let me do something important here. ##Encourage marvellosity Astute eyes probably picked up on the fact that I had a power from one of my most scrutinized posts. At one point I incorrectly assumed that everyone had powers. It's a basic logical step. I'm counter-claiming WaveofShadow here somewhat. My power adds +1 to a player's vote. Given that Pandain can allegedly nullify someone's vote entirely it's not complete madness to think there are multiple voting powers around, but WaveofShadow's is too close to mine for me to be comfortable with it. | ||
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On October 30 2013 02:08 marvellosity wrote: Will it show up immediately in a votecount if I vote? If you don't know, could you clarify asap please? It only shows up in the final tally when all voting is over. | ||
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On October 30 2013 02:09 marvellosity wrote: I can't believe Seuss and Wave are both town with the same power. We need to decide between them. I should clarify, I have a second power exclusive with the first. I can also ##Discourage Player to reduce their vote value by 1. I have to alternate between them (as in, all even days are one, and all odd days are the other), but I can skip a day if I like. Whichever one I'm using at the end of the day determines the pattern. | ||
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On October 30 2013 02:12 marvellosity wrote: So apparently I have 3 votes today. No pressure then. Vote early and often, it's the American way. | ||
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On October 30 2013 02:12 Promethelax wrote: so pandain has the neg role suess has the 50/50 role WoS has the pos role they could all be town based on the roles... We can put this all to the test so long as Pandain uses his power on someone who isn't voting for whoever marv is voting for. | ||
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On October 30 2013 02:15 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh ok so i was right, his role isn't the same as mine. Whatever, vote on myself stands. See yall and good luck. I don't feel guilty about my play this game whatsoever like I did in Persona when I got mislynched. If you lynch me here it's on your heads, not mine. Wave why. I'm in the middle of drawing up a case to lynch Sentinel so we can test all our voting powers and verify that, in fact, all three of us at least have the powers we say we have. This isn't helping. v.v | ||
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I've selected [UoN]Sentinel for a few reasons. To summarize, he's obtained a power that he allegedly can't explain, when everyone else seems to have a clear understanding of their powers. He's defended his evasiveness on the grounds that he thought people would second guess themselves if his power didn't activate, when people started second guessing themselves because no one knows what his power does. Finally, he doesn't think he can be useful D1 because he "doesn't know how" when I, on my second game, am at least trying. I'd like to first draw attention to these two consecutive posts from him: On October 28 2013 06:50 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Yeah sure why not. I do like to twerk, and I'd rather cater to marv than koshi, who seems to have disappeared. ##Twerk marvellosity Anyways. I have a power that I would like some people to help me charge up. ##15 Here's the gameplan. To charge up my power, someone, anyone, posts ##14, then someone else does ##13 and so on. When we get to ##1 the power is charged and ready to use :D. You can post multiple numbers in the countdown but not consecutive ones. So you can do 14 and 12, but not 14 and 13. On October 28 2013 07:02 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: KOSHI DIDN'T ANSWER WHAT UPDATE DOES. marv at least left it ambiguously pleasant. [UoN]Sentinel's reasoning here is fine regarding Koshi and marvellosity, except he himself has yet to give any assurances his power is useful or good. What followed was the reckless explosion of hashtags that set me off at the start of the thread. In the earliest part of the game where scum/town reads are about as accurate as a drunk man playing "Probably Archery", [UoN]Sentinel's power got charged thoughtlessly. This event has kept him, Koshi, and raynpelikoneet on my radar, because I view it as criminally careless at best. Thereafter [UoN]Sentinel dithered on actually telling anyone what his power allegedly would do: + Show Spoiler + On October 28 2013 07:23 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I wonder if the hosts got my message. Don't want to give away my power if the countdown duds because something was wrong with the sequencing. Knowing the hosts, someone should be up and attending this game, but they might be asleep. We'll see. On October 28 2013 08:40 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: No idea if hosts are away/busy or something wasn't sent in properly. I'm hoping it's the first. I don't think Pandain's doing anything serious, just pressuring for information. Otherwise it looks like a really shitty self-justifying case. On October 28 2013 23:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Phone posting from school, up to page 30 Here is what I can say right now I've been pretty casual this whole game, down to making puns before game start. My absence is a combination of sleep and my phone freezing. I already breadcrumbed everything I know about my power, but I still want to figure out where the hosts are before making a decision. This is scummy play. Having said nothing about what his power does, he continues to leave everyone in the dark. We still don't know what it does even as I type this, despite many instances of mod presence in the thread. I won't iterate over every instance of his evasiveness, as I think the point has been made. Moving on, I personally found this post rather odd: On October 29 2013 19:34 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I've never done anything useful D1 because I never figured out how to be useful. My plan has always been to sit there, nod along, wait until D2 and then start making good reads. This is my second game of TL mafia ever, and while I've been struggling I'd like to think that I've at least been useful at times. What I'm trying to do right now is correct a fairly serious error, rather than throwing my hands up in the air as if there's nothing to be done because it's D1. [UoN]Sentinel's position here works against the town, rather than for it. On October 29 2013 20:40 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I explained it multiple times. I didn't want it to dud after I revealed it if it turned out we did the countdown wrong or something and have everyone second guessing their involvement. There's also this post which caught my attention: On October 29 2013 20:40 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I explained it multiple times. I didn't want it to dud after I revealed it if it turned out we did the countdown wrong or something and have everyone second guessing their involvement. I don't find [UoN]Sentinel's defense here reasonable. Whether or not his power successfully activated is something of a sideshow to what his power is actually supposed to do. But he's hung up on the possibility the countdown was a "dud" and what that will mean when people were already second guessing because the end result of the glorious countdown wasn't a cool power but a dithering, sheepish poster. | ||
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On October 30 2013 02:43 marvellosity wrote: Yeah this is a point. Seuss - why did you leave using your power until after Wave did? When were you planning on using it otherwise? Because my power only works at the end of the day, and by its nature whatever choice I make today determines the pattern for the rest of the game. Once WaveofShadow claimed his power I thought it was odd for there to be multiple voting powers so I thought to counter-claim. I'd forgotten about Pandain, and then he brought up his own power. Once I saw that and Wave became martyr #2 I had the idea for the vote test. I also forgot: ##Vote [UoN]Sentinel | ||
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On October 30 2013 02:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: How did you forget about Pandain as he kinda claimed earlier already? I wrote that off as a non-serious exchange and didn't think any more of it. I didn't think it made any sense for Pandain to randomly assert he had a power like that. | ||
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On October 30 2013 02:59 Promethelax wrote: I get that you think some posts by sent were 'odd' but do you really think he is scum? If yes do you really think confirming vote powers matters? I'll bet you real money that no one is lying about there powers which effect the vote since they'd never be able to use their real powers later in the game. I think there's a distinct possibility [UoN]Sentinel is scum and a worthy lynch target, with the bonus that we don't murder someone with a potentially important power like Wave before we confirm it actually works. | ||
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Because before Pandain came up again all I saw were two similar powers and I thought it weird to have a straight +1 power and an alternative +1/-1 power. Once Pandain came into the picture I realized my error, and if I'd remembered him sooner I'd have approached everything differently. | ||
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On October 30 2013 03:06 marvellosity wrote: How does Pandain's power change things in your eyes? It makes things symmetrical for one, but a big part of my original counter-claim was the notion that we wouldn't have multiple voting powers in the game. Once you add Pandain into the mix that idea is shattered. | ||
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On October 30 2013 03:09 HotCottonCandy wrote: could you give us something more concrete though? Ignoring the powers of WoS and Pandain what makes WoS scummier then pandain to you? The fact that he was buddying up to me for most of the game (I don't really care about the 180), the smurf tangent, the weird power fake out. People were also making strong arguments against him and pressuring him at the time, so it looked like he was grasping at something to save himself. | ||
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On October 30 2013 03:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: If i correctly read what Seuss is saying it makes sense. Seuss do you think one of Wave and Pandain is scum now? Probably. It would be weird to give all the vote powers to town. That would slant things against the mafia pretty hard. | ||
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On October 30 2013 03:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Then again, why are you voting for Sentinel? Well I happen to have put a whole lot of effort into making a case against him. After Wave, myself, and Pandain all explicitly revealed it became evident that Wave fake-claiming wasn't likely, and so long as we had an alternative target we could test everyone's powers without needed to lynch voting power that may become critical as the game goes on. There was also a mess of confusion once Wave started martyring himself. If my idea also got everything on track so town wasn't running around like crazy, all the better. I'll admit there's a chance we lose a useful power with Sentinel as well, but at the moment I think he looks scummier than Wave. | ||
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On October 30 2013 03:28 marvellosity wrote: Wave and Seuss's unwillingness to kill each other is totally baffling to me. He's afraid I won't ever carry him in League of Legends again. More seriously, in terms of semi-independent arguments I can make against him versus Sentinel I think I've got a better case against Sentinel, but no one's really responded to it yet. | ||
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On October 30 2013 03:34 Promethelax wrote: so, sorry, to clarify Suess: you believe that we shouldn't lynch someone because they have a power useful for town and yet you believe that that person may be, and in fact probably is, scum? You've called wave scum and your whole plan is about proving the claimed powers while lynching sent but you haven't said why proving the powers matters at all. Can you explain to me what it is about those powers that needs to be confirmed? I don't think it's absolutely necessary to verify the voting powers, but at the time the vote train was solidly on Wave and I thought other possibilities were being overlooked. You specifically have been on my case for lacking independent thought, so when I had a unique idea that seemed to have merit I went for it. | ||
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On October 30 2013 03:36 marvellosity wrote: Reposting: Can anyone tell me why, when Wave apparently didn't have a clue who to lynch, this was not enough to vote on? He probably gave me more benefit of the doubt than makes logical sense. That's my only thought. I put this defense up there with OOHCHILD's "bored of mafia" defense. | ||
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On October 30 2013 04:52 Koshi wrote: Seuss Why did you not say anything about the ##Boost power from WoS? I wasn't here at the time he used it, and when I got back he wasn't here and no one had commented on it. Meanwhile, what would later become the OOHCHILD/Clarity fiasco was underway so I dove right into that. | ||
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On October 30 2013 05:14 Koshi wrote: So you read it while catching up and didn't think it was worthwhile to talk about? Did you believe WoS actually used a power on you? I thought it was possible but as I had zero information about what he did and it had been completely ignored, I filed it away and moved on. For that matter, why didn't you or anyone else comment on it? | ||
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On October 30 2013 05:48 Pandain wrote: I have to go Marv, but I don't think WoS is playing how an almost-to-be-lynched scum is playing. No attempt at trying to lynch another person, merely defending. I will use my power on SnB, notice he voted for WoS of course, and urge people to vote him but I will now follow on my phone. ##Upbraid Strongandbig This is only really helpful at the moment if marvellosity jumps off the WaveofShadow train. | ||
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On October 30 2013 05:49 marvellosity wrote: Can we actually kill Clarity? I know he might not be mafia, he might be, and i'm just not happy with any of what we've got right now. Well the whole vote power confirmation thing is currently screwed up because both you and strongandbig are voting for the same person. That's one way to resolve it. | ||
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On October 30 2013 05:54 WaveofShadow wrote: Well I can attempt to phonepost but yeah prerty sure ise fucked. Do you not think I am scum anymore, or more sure of clarity? If you and I both vote for Clarity at this point, and our powers are real, I think Clarity dies. | ||
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On October 30 2013 06:13 Koshi wrote: Also nukes will be fake except one. My PM doesn't say anything about that. o.O | ||
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On October 30 2013 06:15 strongandbig wrote: why dont we just like nuke everyone except marv? Works for me. This is probably the most hilarious game of mafia ever. | ||
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On October 30 2013 06:20 marvellosity wrote: Obviously all the nukes are not real. Way to ruin my newbie "everything is possible" dreams. So what's the plan then? Are we going to use our nukes like votes in a lightning lynch round? | ||
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There's no rush to nuke everyone right this instant. If Koshi/marv are right about the nukes we basically had a quick, extra lynch phase and the opportunity to try and do some more scum hunting. Instead we're just pressing the big red button at whoever we like because we can. Instead we're firing them off willy-nilly. | ||
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On October 30 2013 08:11 Pandain wrote: Marv why aren't you stopping people from nuking I think he's too busy pounding his head into a wall because rayn screwed up his power and because of OOHCHILD in general. | ||
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On October 30 2013 09:01 WaveofShadow wrote: This just proves people don't read what I have to say. Makes me feel better because I know people are just talking out of their asses about me and drawing conclusions where they want to. Monte the third FUCKING line of my return post. Does trying to create a nuke plan in thread give SnB townie points? I lean towards no. Sorry, I missed that line. I jumped straight from line 2 to your thoughts on clarity, and then got extremely confused when you started talking about X nukes to X people when all evidence I'm aware of currently suggests everyone gets a nuke. At least, no one I'm aware of has popped into the thread whining that they didn't get a nuke. | ||
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On October 30 2013 09:04 Pandain wrote: No it's extremely anti town because townies as a whole are retarded. We don't have enough information when information is the best town tool, it creates a mess after the nuke day. Right. For example, what if the three nukes already in the air are real and all of their targets are townies? We could already be out four townies with only one day's worth of information to go on. That leaves 9 people with nukes trying to find 2-4 mafia and/or a third party, only 2-5 of the nukes are in the hands of the enemy. All it takes are a couple more careless town nukes and, if the nukes are real, the game could basically be over. Our best hope right now is that marv/Koshi are right that only one of the nukes is real, and that it's not one of the ones in the air right now. | ||
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On October 30 2013 09:10 Pandain wrote: Because if they are real it's the equivalent of a vigilante Why would they be fake The argument for them being fake is, "This will be the dumbest game of mafia ever." For all intents and purposes the game could basically be over after N1. The argument for them being real is, "This is twitter mafia with some pretty ridiculous powers and who would have guessed the town would be dumb enough to thoughtlessly countdown an unknown power from an unverified source day 1?" | ||
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On October 30 2013 12:01 Pandain wrote: This is a policy nuke and I hope its real ##Nuke strongandbig If you assume all the nukes are real, which (correct me if I'm wrong) seems to be your working assumption, you just wasted your nuke. | ||
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On October 30 2013 12:05 Pandain wrote: Actually this is a good compromise. Everyone should nuke SnB Good chance of being scum, and ensures that we don't have a nuclear armageddon. Seuss why not nuke SnB? Because I'm not entirely convinced by marv, and I'm trying to math out whether we have any chance whatsoever at this point in the case that they're real. | ||
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On October 30 2013 23:31 WaveofShadow wrote: Fuck this useless smurf discussion. There was enough time for it pregame when no one would believe me. Its not scumhunting and I don't want to give an attention whore asshole more attention than os absolutely necessary. Seuss when you come back can I get some updated reads from you? You tend to consider things that I don't and I'd be very interested to hear what you think atm. Ask and you shall receive. First and foremost I don't care who kush is or if OOHCHILD is kush, his play has been nothing short of scum-city. While he's had the odd good point here or there, he's been extremely disruptive, unhelpful, distracting, and more. His nuke on Wave also makes zero sense. This was OOHCHILD before the lynch yesterday: On October 30 2013 01:36 OOHCHILD wrote: Popping in to say I hate the WoS lynch. It feels like the only reason why are lynching him is because he isn't here. I'm letting Pandain go. Im letting Marv go (don't see what is so town about him though) I would lynch Seuss, HotCottonCandy, or Sentinel. On October 30 2013 03:15 OOHCHILD wrote: Seuss looks pretty transparent and town with his recent explanations. Especially for second game scum. Going back to WoS I guess. I would rather lynch Sentinel or HotCottonCandy though. The last we heard from him Day 1 he'd rather lynch Sentinel or HotCottonCandy over WaveofShadow. Fast-forward to nuke-city and the first thing he does is nuke WaveofShadow. Not a word as to why, just FIRE ZE MISSILES! Now I'm willing to give him a pass on Sentinel because nuke-city changed things on that front. However, we have no explanation for why HotCottonCandy wasn't considered. Outside of the Clarity flip nothing had really changed there, and as of yet we haven't received a good explanation (calling it an "impulsive move" is up there with the "bored of mafia" defense he gave for Clarity). Looking over HotCottonCandy's history there's nothing that stands out connecting or disconnecting him from OOHCHILD. At one point he suggested voting for OOHCHILD when the choice seemed to be Clarity or OOHCHILD, but outside of that HotCottonCandy has only mentioned him in passing. I don't feel confident reading much into their interactions or lack thereof, but I will analyze HotCottonCandy. I'll forgive HotCottonCandy for waffling back and forth with his opinion on me during the pre-lynch insanity; I was under a lot of scrutiny at the time and there was a lot going on. However, I haven't liked his approach to the whole nuke situation: On October 30 2013 09:47 HotCottonCandy wrote: We should probably all use our nukes regardless if they are real or not, much easier to read people like this because there's no hiding behind anything, you attempt to nuke one person and it says a lot about your alignment and where you stand. I'll be nuking some one soon after I read a few more filters. On the one hand he's correct that you can read a lot into a person's thoughts and motivations based on their nuke choice. However, a town's greatest strength is its community, and telling everyone to follow their bliss is a great recipe for chaos, confusion, and counter-productivity. Case in point, if everyone hadn't been so trigger happy we could, as has been suggested several times, effectively had a lightning-lynch round. Instead we currently have chaos because OOHCHILD, Koshi, Oatsmaster and others had to push the red button. HotCottonCandy also acted extremely surprised when strongandbig nuked him after he'd been actively and vocally contemplating nuking strongandbig. It's pretty obvious from how strongandbig went about the actual nuking that he was being vindictive. I think it's a stretch at this point to think it was anything more than that, as strongandbig's play post-lynch hasn't shown him capable of that kind of duplicity and forethought. So right now I've got a strong scum read on OOHCHILD, and I'm suspicious of HotCottonCandy. A quick thought on Oatsmaster's confusing Koshi nuke. Even if you assume Koshi's question is scummy, we had hours that could have been spent grilling Koshi on that before we needed to fire nukes at him. Oatsmaster's play there is in keeping with the | ||
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On October 31 2013 01:37 Promethelax wrote: For serious Suess, I get that those things happened but this game is about conclusions not summaries. I'm a mathematician and an analyst. I'm trained to support my conclusions with facts/probable cause/proven theorems etc. This whole "I will post one sentence that is my conclusion and then cause a long confusing debate where no one has any idea what anyone else is thinking" thing baffles me. But to reiterate what I said at the end of my post. I think OOHCHILD is scum, HotCottonCandy is probably scum, and Oats is looking pretty scummy as well. | ||
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On October 31 2013 01:49 WaveofShadow wrote: Regarding OOHCHILD, assuming that you know nothing about him beyond what he has done in this game, do you think it is likely play as scum to be attention-grabbing, abrasive and insulting as he has been, despite his random waffling on me? I'm curious. Yes. This is probably the perfect game for that sort of disruptive play. Just look at the players. Aside from marv and maybe Prom there's just a giant mess of people underperforming and making it easy for scum to do whatever they want. OOHCHILD is certainly making himself a target, but in a game where everyone's a target that can be pretty good cover. He's also apparently got his smurf/kush thing to fall back on and throw you all off, which has apparently been fairly successful so far. I don't think "meta" play is bad per se, but I'm going to call it like I see it. | ||
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On October 31 2013 01:57 Koshi wrote: So Oats is scum for nuking me? Because you had a STRONG townread on Oats before. As an analyst, don't you work with pro's and cons? After pushing red button all the pro town things Oats did are wiped away and he is scum for you now? I haven't gone back to compare Oats' N1 actions with his D1 actions because I spent all my time scrutinizing OOHCHILD and HotCottonCandy. The statement on Oats was basically only considering his N1 play. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
If we go based purely on his N1 actions, it's likely. What do you think? | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On October 31 2013 02:04 marvellosity wrote: Christ Seuss. He's asking you to weigh up his whole play and come to a conclusion, not to isolate parts of it. I understand that. I hope he and everyone else understands that it takes me more than 30 seconds to carefully read the and re-digest entire post history of someone like Oatsmaster. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
I think in the end of the day mad rush I gave him more credit than he deserved, and weighted the meta rebuffs I'd received too heavily. Maybe I'm just jealous, but he got to dance around all of day 1 while I and others got grilled. I don't like that, and I don't like that I really don't know where he stands on anyone at the moment. Combined with his N1 actions, I'm sticking with my scum read. I regret having powered him up. | ||
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