"##" Mafia

On October 28 2013 06:19 marvellosity wrote:
So... I'm going to need a bunch of you to ##twerk for me at some point. :/

On October 28 2013 06:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi what does that do?

On October 28 2013 06:28 HotCottonCandy wrote:
alright ill bite. might as well get this game going

##update Koshi

did i do it right?

On October 28 2013 07:02 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:


Just the once.

On October 28 2013 07:02 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:


KOSHI DIDN'T ANSWER WHAT UPDATE DOES.

marv at least left it ambiguously pleasant.

On October 28 2013 07:05 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:


Oui. Making it more than once would be tedious and overpowered.

On October 28 2013 07:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Let's do this Sentinel thing and see what it does. :D
#13

On October 28 2013 07:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You are going upwards. Scum?

On October 28 2013 07:15 marvellosity wrote:
I'm literally only doing it to make Koshi look dumb

On October 28 2013 07:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##2
I didn't have to be #1!!!

On October 28 2013 09:09 Seuss wrote:
Of course the game starts while I'm out having engagement photos taken, and I'm sitting here typing when I'm supposed to be paying attention to my future mother-in-law as we do wedding planning.

Wave is obviously scum. I know this because he's Wave and he's terrible at League of Legends. We should therefore lynch Wave.

+ Show Spoiler +

On October 28 2013 10:03 Seuss wrote:


That was my way of saying, "Holy crap the game has started without me. I'm alive, but busy at the moment. HI WAVE!"

Seriously I'm still in the middle of a wedding planning meeting with the future in-laws and if anyone asks me why I'm typing super fast I won't have a decent excuse.

On October 28 2013 13:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok koshi called me 3p for having a charge role thing. I dont know what it means, but generally town dont call people 3p day 1 because there is no way to know. Scum do know though.

On October 28 2013 13:11 Promethelax wrote:
Oats: important!!! Who said they thought you were third p because anyone can power you up?

On October 28 2013 14:00 Promethelax wrote:
Oh, point I wanted to make about koshi saying oats was 3p for being able to be levelled up by non town:
Koshi is scum.

On October 28 2013 09:18 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok read my role Pm.
I get powers if people type ##Refudiate Oatsmaster
Sick sick powers. And I dont have limitations like marv, everyone should type that.
EVERYONE.
Pandain looks way too serious to be scum, dunno why exactly he thinks rayn is scum.

On October 28 2013 09:24 Koshi wrote:
like everyone everyone?

On October 28 2013 09:31 Oatsmaster wrote:
like everyone everyone.

On October 28 2013 09:33 Koshi wrote:
Then I conclude you are 3p. Please play with town first 2 cycles. Scum always wins...

##Refudiate Oatsmaster

On October 28 2013 18:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi is there any reason your filter is a pile of nothing?

On October 28 2013 18:23 Promethelax wrote:
You are scum for the above, my understanding of what was said was that you were saying that because everyone (town and scum) powered up oats he was not town but I know from my own role pm that anyone can power up a town power role so that was a mistake scum would make.

Your explanation of it is reasonable though.

You ah, actually didn't say what you dislike about me besides that I interpreted what you said in a way you apparently didn't mean it. You are attacking me to follow thread sentiment, not because you believe it. This post does not dissuade me from thinking you are scum, it just tells me I had the wrong reason for the right conclusion,

On October 28 2013 18:28 Promethelax wrote:


Why 'Rofl' do you think it's funny that I caught you by totally misunderstanding you?

On October 28 2013 18:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi do you think Prome is scum or not?

On October 28 2013 18:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I do not think you are scum because of the conversation. But do you think Prome is scum or not?

On October 28 2013 19:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
I get more powerful the more votes I get. And it doesnt matter if they are from scum or town. Does that answer your question Koshi?

On October 28 2013 20:20 marvellosity wrote:
I find this incredibly odd:

Who states that they've now read the thread? Especially given this:

Content unimportant, it's more the fact it was posted an hour prior to the first post I quoted. And within this post, he is responding to something a few pages back, so he'd clearly already been reading the thread?

I'm not actually sure what it means, but it stuck out to me like a sore thumb. Why announce that you read the thread like this? :/

On October 28 2013 20:30 Koshi wrote:
So I stated that I read the thread because after my post before that I was only on page 22.

I called you 3p because you needed everybody to power you up. I understand you might have been joking or overstating it. I wasn't 100% serious

I read the thread. I don't like Promethelax.

On October 28 2013 20:14 Promethelax wrote:


Point of Oder the y may need to be a Y not sure

On October 28 2013 06:51 WaveofShadow wrote:
Hai guise.2) I miss being mafia (or even 3P).
3) My power is boring and semi-useless.
I'll use it on somebody later in the day I thinks.

4) It's super pro-town.

Be back in a couple hours-ish.

On October 28 2013 08:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
I find the fact that Pandain even gets a slight scumread from my opening post hilarious. He's played games with me and should know almost every single opening post of mine is along the lines of what I rolled and 1) I often whine about something, often what I rolled.
+ Show Spoiler +.

On October 28 2013 22:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I just read scum!marv and town!marv D1's and this apathy of his does not fit into each one of them. Then i read Catch 22 and it doesn't fit into there. I have no fucking idea what to think. 4th party? Since when has marv not commented on the leading lynch candidate in no way as any alignment?

marv what do you you want to talk about? Or are you just going to watch what happens and then what? And why?

On October 28 2013 22:27 Seuss wrote:


I'm an analyst. At the heart of my approach to mafia is finding all the puzzle pieces and putting them together. You can go back to the recent newbie mini mafia game and look through my coach QT with WaveOfShadow and see that it's exactly what I was doing there as well. When I'm given information I try to make sense of it and fit it into the puzzle.

Perhaps it was a little egotistical of me, but the purpose of my post was largely admonishment. I wasn't asking others to guess at powers, but pointing out that revealing powers for no reason was stupid because people could guess at them. A bunch of people pulled out their powers immediately, several of whom (including you!) had to backtrack because apparently now wasn't the appropriate or best time for it. That, and the flurry of thoughtless power ups, is what got me in a tizzy. You've let the mafia know you have powers at a point in the game where you apparently don't even want to use them. I don't see how that's good town play.

I wouldn't be so mad/confused if I knew you all had good reasons for bringing out your powers, and if I could be certain all of the powers coming into play are town powers.

On October 28 2013 23:32 Seuss wrote:
Yes.

On October 28 2013 23:42 Promethelax wrote:
Koshi, why is getting powered up your only concern? Have you considered playing the game and not the roles?

On October 28 2013 23:48 marvellosity wrote:
Koshi - same question to you as to Oats, does it make any difference if you're powered up now or at the end of the day?

On October 29 2013 00:33 Promethelax wrote:
Does anyone else like that SnB didn't come in here apologizing? It feels townie to me that he got right down to brass tacks and didn't shit around being sorry for having to catch up.

I wouldn't lynch him today.

On October 29 2013 01:38 HotCottonCandy wrote:
alright I will take a look at that game when I get back. Maybe that's the missing piece I am searching for.

For now, toodles cuties

On October 29 2013 01:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
Koshi, who do you think is scum?

On October 29 2013 04:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi why do you think Pandain is not scum?
Also what does you having hrd time finding scum this game tell you?

On October 29 2013 18:39 marvellosity wrote:

Hmm, did he say that and I missed it? It makes it a little less suspicious.

My powers are not in-thread.

On October 29 2013 18:40 marvellosity wrote:
Koshi, do you think rayn is pushing stuff as much as usual? He doesn't seem very gung-ho to me, and that worries me a bit. But you don't seem to be worried about him at all.

On October 29 2013 21:07 Promethelax wrote:
so you agree Koshi with my read of him as scummy but not the scummiest? I think everyone is having a problem not with what I'm saying but with not getting my conclusion. My conclusion is that he is the fourth scummiest person in this thread though in light of relooking at the voting I might put him as scummier than Sent. I have an issue with Sent being so effortless though, like Panda at least tried to make a case on someone. Sent hasn't done ANYTHING!

On October 29 2013 21:23 Promethelax wrote:


pretty scummy sounds a lot like 'scummy but not the scummiest' if you want to lynch Pandain what are you doing on marv's clarity wagon?

On October 29 2013 23:11 Clarity_nl wrote:
##Twerk

Think I'll stick around for 30-60 min so will do what I can.

Also Pandain, you have gone into your scum!mode of making zero sense pushing bad lynches and having bad thoughts that make no sense. Plz if you are town step up your game and do not overthink stuff.

On October 28 2013 14:14 Pandain wrote:
Woops I went to do homework, completely forgot I intended to be here.

Honestly I was a bit upset that you guys are overcharacterizing my push when it was my best read at an early time and I was simply sharing it which was more then you guys were doing with circlejerk power-upping.

I like Rayn's later play and found justifications for his play which I won't talk about, but I may have misread him early on. Still, ignoring that I think I would have a good read for this time.

On October 28 2013 14:17 Pandain wrote:
I mean I thought it was a real power and it sounded deadly against Koshi.

What was I supposed to do?

On October 29 2013 05:15 Pandain wrote:
I'll be blunt Rayn the reason why I took my suspicion off of you was because you could be a mason role and therefore it would make sense to PM Marv.

However if it's anything else there's no real justification for it as it reveals your role, unless, I forgot, the purpose of the role itself is to reveal it!

You also upped your game and are being town.

On October 29 2013 05:54 Pandain wrote:
But I didn't realize your probably a mason role. I thought you were using a power to have another effect on someone which wouldn't be justifiable literally unless its a mason role.

On October 29 2013 23:53 OOHCHILD wrote:
I have not just been asking questions. I have also been giving a lot of opinions and reasons behind those opinions. Read my recent filter. Until then you are on ignore.

On October 30 2013 00:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
shoud I update you koshi?

On October 30 2013 00:16 marvellosity wrote:
Koshi, why isn't rayn offering an opinion on what Clarity did? Why has he just come in to make a small comment about Oats' meta? :/

Why is he posting about that rather than telling us that it makes Clarity mafia still or town because x,y?

On October 30 2013 00:23 OOHCHILD wrote:


Last post for real.
There are two bandwagons, me and Clarity. If Clarity doesn't get lynched, it's very likely I will. As scum why would I try so hard to clear Clarity if it meant it would be more likely that I was going to be lynched?

Scum wants to blend in. I did several unnecessary, weird things this game that made me stick out.

It's bad to think marvel is scum? Get real and cut the wifom. If your read of Marv is anything other than null than it's you who is dumb.

On October 30 2013 00:44 Seuss wrote:


I'm a little weirded out by it honestly. The first time he stuck out his neck for me I was flattered and appreciative, but he's been bringing me up fairly often in a buddy-buddy fashion. The boost, whatever it does, is just the weird icing on the cake.

On October 30 2013 00:52 marvellosity wrote:
rayn what does Koshi forgetting Pandain mean?

On October 30 2013 03:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Fair enough. I actually thought Pandain was pressuring Koshi as he said his power was permanent and i find it hard to believe that's true.

On October 30 2013 03:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Did you think Pandain's power was real when he threathened you with it?

On October 30 2013 02:13 WaveofShadow wrote:
1) I don't like the counterclaim by Seuss because I think he's omitting something.
I mean...I guess it's possible that there are multiple vote addition/vote removal roles which have different names and different activations but ugh.

I'm done guys. If you vote me down, at least do me the 2) honour of looking into my filter after I die. I have provided what reads I could and I don't think that they are bad.

3) THIS IS NOT A MARTYR POST, but since no one has told me who I should be voting for and I have no clear scumreads I will sheep town sentiment which I hate doing, but I said I would.

##Vote: WaveofShadow

On October 30 2013 04:34 Promethelax wrote:
Having already read his filter twice I can confirm 2 to be true.

On October 30 2013 05:01 OOHCHILD wrote:
Koshi I like how you are suddenly making a new long case to support whatever popular opinion is currently. Keep it up! It will help me get you lynched.

On October 30 2013 05:04 Promethelax wrote:


that there are no scum reads in his early game besides me. And later in the game he added Suess.

On October 30 2013 05:13 Seuss wrote:


I wasn't here at the time he used it, and when I got back he wasn't here and no one had commented on it. Meanwhile, what would later become the OOHCHILD/Clarity fiasco was underway so I dove right into that.

On October 30 2013 05:42 marvellosity wrote:

Incorrect, I need charging up for every night I use a power.

On October 30 2013 05:44 marvellosity wrote:

No, it's ok. lol.

On October 30 2013 05:45 WaveofShadow wrote:
Well the nail is basically in the coffin. I hope you people reconsider what you have though about me throughout the game after I am dead, and actually make an effort of reading my reads and posts CLOSELY rather washing over them and using what fits to your scumreads of me. I feel I did my absolute best and went down swinging despite what people have repeatedly said about me.

We won thug, maybe we can do it again here.

##noregrets (exceptmaybeshowingupinthefirstplaceinsteadoflurkingallday)

On October 30 2013 05:48 strongandbig wrote:
um what does your power do

On October 30 2013 05:49 marvellosity wrote:
Can we actually kill Clarity? I know he might not be mafia, he might be, and i'm just not happy with any of what we've got right now.

On October 30 2013 05:56 marvellosity wrote:
You can all shout at me if he flips town, I'm a big boy. I think any lynch right now is a crapshoot, and I'd rather crapshoot a d-bag who isn't playing the game than someone I can get a read on in the future.

On October 30 2013 05:59 WaveofShadow wrote:
Vote is in voting thread, not ime to put it here first
Not ninja

On October 30 2013 06:08 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Oh and my countdown also gave me a nuke.

On October 30 2013 06:11 Seuss wrote:
Wait, I got a nuke too.

What is this game.

On October 30 2013 06:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:

That's what i trying to tell you by saying "consider my twerk null".. :E

On October 30 2013 03:15 OOHCHILD wrote:
Seuss looks pretty transparent and town with his recent explanations. Especially for second game scum. Going back to WoS I guess. I would rather lynch Sentinel or HotCottonCandy though.

On October 30 2013 06:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I have two powers. One makes every number in your role go up by one. The other one does the opposite. That's what i was trying to do but i fucking messed up because the name of the power is the same barring first letter. :/

On October 30 2013 06:19 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:


I don't think it's a bastard game



'murica

On October 30 2013 06:20 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I will be severely disappointed if mine isn't

On October 30 2013 00:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
shoud I update you koshi?

On October 30 2013 00:13 Koshi wrote:

Yes.

On October 30 2013 20:39 OOHCHILD wrote:
I don't get what is wrong with using nukes on the scummiest people. It's like a free vig shot if even one of them works.

WaveofShadow
Pandain
[UoN]Sentinel
Oatsmaster
Seuss
HotCottonCandy

These dudes need nuking. I think all that's left is Seuss and Oats. Someone do it!

On October 30 2013 22:35 Oatsmaster wrote:

Why would you ask it in thread?
The way I see it, scum dont care because its unlikely that town has RB's.
Town care though.
And you apparently dont.

On October 30 2013 22:45 Oatsmaster wrote:
Town normally dont have RB's.

On October 30 2013 22:48 Oatsmaster wrote:
Because scum knows. And if he is scum, he doesnt think about that aspect.

Lol koshi, show me the proportion of games with town rb's and scum rb's please.


Explain how a random nuke makes me scum and not bad Marv.

On October 30 2013 23:09 Oatsmaster wrote:
So hard to explain what im thinking.

Hm.
ok, so a townie sees that he gets a nuke. Oh wait can it be roleblocked? Let me ask the hosts through PM.

On October 30 2013 23:45 Pandain wrote:

Koshi not to be mean but you are playing so poorly this game in particular
It's really the only reason I think you're town

On October 31 2013 00:16 marvellosity wrote:
no, Koshi was saying that rayn would be mad that i was defaulting to a policy lynch on someone who I'd thought was probably town earlier.

On October 31 2013 00:29 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Phone post

I am immune to nukes.
If OOH is kush I'm okay with my decision to nuke him

On October 31 2013 01:45 Seuss wrote:


I'm a mathematician and an analyst. I'm trained to support my conclusions with facts/probable cause/proven theorems etc. This whole "I will post one sentence that is my conclusion and then cause a long confusing debate where no one has any idea what anyone else is thinking" thing baffles me.

But to reiterate what I said at the end of my post. I think OOHCHILD is scum, HotCottonCandy is probably scum, and Oats is looking pretty scummy as well.

On October 31 2013 02:00 Seuss wrote:


I haven't gone back to compare Oats' N1 actions with his D1 actions because I spent all my time scrutinizing OOHCHILD and HotCottonCandy. The statement on Oats was basically only considering his N1 play.

On October 31 2013 02:20 marvellosity wrote:
Interestingly only 5 people twerked me despite me being a universal townread. You guys are super rubbish.

On October 31 2013 03:06 Koshi wrote:
How did you guys catch rayn in the Mafia Championship game on TL? Because rayn would take more control of the game, which he did D1, I had him as town leader. Unless we were really on town only he would not be so easy. rayn would never be so passive is he is scum together with WoS or another scummer that was up for lynch yesterday.

I think.

On October 31 2013 03:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I thought Oats was town from his posts, especially from what he said about Pandain. It's useless to interact with Oats if i think he is town because it doesn't get me anywhere. I only interact with Oats when i do not think he is town or when i need him to do what i say. Otherwise it's useless.

On October 31 2013 05:54 Koshi wrote:
If the nuke is real:

I go for Oats, Pandain, Kush for scumteam.

On October 31 2013 05:55 Promethelax wrote:



reconcile those for me

On October 31 2013 06:18 HotCottonCandy wrote:
oh yea, since everyone has already basically claimed did anyone ever specify having this removal of ## power? seems like something scum did to me but idk why.

Could be because I powered up every person in the game yesterday lol

On October 31 2013 18:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:

???

On October 30 2013 00:07 Seuss wrote:


I'm only using hastags for people who I feel very confident are town. I don't have a strong read on you either way at the moment (Clarity is elitist as a reason for training him? What?), so I'm holding off.

I'm very much with marvellosity on the whole "We have a bunch of people will revealed powers, are they really all town?" question. I've got my fingers crossed that [UoN]Sentinel didn't ride the crazy train into a fully charged one-shot mafia power.

On October 30 2013 00:02 marvellosity wrote:
##Update Koshi

There you go, twinkletoes.

On October 31 2013 19:44 marvellosity wrote:
Koshi, normally I think your cases are the worst things I ever set eyes on, but that seems to make some sense. I'll filter him a little later with what you've just said in mind.

Have you thought about how Seuss dealt with his voting power/counterclaim with WoS/surrounding stuff with that?

On October 31 2013 20:01 marvellosity wrote:
Just from a game setup perspective, it makes sense to have 2 vote altering powers on townside and 1 on mafia. 2 for mafia seems pretty sick.

On October 30 2013 02:04 Seuss wrote:


To elaborate, you guys move a lot faster than I've been prepared for and I've been struggling to keep up. Combined with a fair amount of scrutiny I've spent more than defending myself and reading then hunting scum.

So let me do something important here.

##Encourage marvellosity

Astute eyes probably picked up on the fact that I had a power from one of my most scrutinized posts. At one point I incorrectly assumed that everyone had powers. It's a basic logical step.

I'm counter-claiming WaveofShadow here somewhat. My power adds +1 to a player's vote. Given that Pandain can allegedly nullify someone's vote entirely it's not complete madness to think there are multiple voting powers around, but WaveofShadow's is too close to mine for me to be comfortable with it.

On October 30 2013 02:50 Seuss wrote:
I would like to prospose, so long as Wave doesn't continue his suicidal streak, that we arrange for a test of our voting powers, and lynch [UoN]Sentinel pending verification of said powers in tonight's vote.

I've selected [UoN]Sentinel for a few reasons. To summarize, he's obtained a power that he allegedly can't explain, when everyone else seems to have a clear understanding of their powers. He's defended his evasiveness on the grounds that he thought people would second guess themselves if his power didn't activate, when people started second guessing themselves because no one knows what his power does. Finally, he doesn't think he can be useful D1 because he "doesn't know how" when I, on my second game, am at least trying.

I'd like to first draw attention to these two consecutive posts from him:





[UoN]Sentinel's reasoning here is fine regarding Koshi and marvellosity, except he himself has yet to give any assurances his power is useful or good.

What followed was the reckless explosion of hashtags that set me off at the start of the thread. In the earliest part of the game where scum/town reads are about as accurate as a drunk man playing "Probably Archery", [UoN]Sentinel's power got charged thoughtlessly. This event has kept him, Koshi, and raynpelikoneet on my radar, because I view it as criminally careless at best.

Thereafter [UoN]Sentinel dithered on actually telling anyone what his power allegedly would do:

+ Show Spoiler +

This is scummy play. Having said nothing about what his power does, he continues to leave everyone in the dark. We still don't know what it does even as I type this, despite many instances of mod presence in the thread. I won't iterate over every instance of his evasiveness, as I think the point has been made.

Moving on, I personally found this post rather odd:



This is my second game of TL mafia ever, and while I've been struggling I'd like to think that I've at least been useful at times. What I'm trying to do right now is correct a fairly serious error, rather than throwing my hands up in the air as if there's nothing to be done because it's D1. [UoN]Sentinel's position here works against the town, rather than for it.



There's also this post which caught my attention:



I don't find [UoN]Sentinel's defense here reasonable. Whether or not his power successfully activated is something of a sideshow to what his power is actually supposed to do. But he's hung up on the possibility the countdown was a "dud" and what that will mean when people were already second guessing because the end result of the glorious countdown wasn't a cool power but a dithering, sheepish poster.