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Oh also I just reread my nuke pm and it says that I can use nukes this cycle but that they need to be used 12 hours before the end of the phase.
I had assumed the nukes had to be used immediately because I'd assumed they were probably mostly or all fake.
However if most or all nukes are fake then it doesn't make sense to have them stick around for another phase after they show up, they would be pointless after some dropped during the night phase. Fake nukes only make sense if you make people use them right away, like I thought at first.
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That means with three nukes I'm almost certainly dead.
I bet nukes do like 1/2 KP or something. So if I die, and the other targets survive, I recommend using the remaining nukes as a free double or triple lynch.
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If kush flips scum koshi is most likely also scum. (Tons of what looks like kush-bussing in kush's filter - calling koshi a scum read for no good reasons, attacking him and other people and then not pushing the koshi read)
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Okay so questions then. WoS why did you nuke me? Go through my filter and say why I'm scum plz
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why would he know he's immune to nukes if he actually had no information about his power
calling bullshit
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On October 31 2013 00:44 Promethelax wrote:
Is there anyone besides marv who did NOT get a nuke? I'm super fucking confused about how this one went down. And Sent is immune to nukes. So, uh, I don't think Oats is totally crazy to assume that he might be 3p. It all depends on what happens with these nukes really but I can't see it being balanced for either town or scum to have the ability to throw piles of nukes everywhere.
marv did get a nuke
everyone got a nuke
hes like oprah for nukes
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maybe his power depends on who else uses a thread power when the countdown happens, didnt someone have an oprah power?
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On October 31 2013 01:41 Pandain wrote:
Does anyone disagree SnB is scum btw?
I do
Why am I scum
No one has made a case I can respond to
Also I'm not
Also I'm probably dying at the end of night anyway
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On October 31 2013 02:06 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 01:55 marvellosity wrote:On October 31 2013 01:52 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 31 2013 01:50 strongandbig wrote:On October 31 2013 01:41 Pandain wrote:
Does anyone disagree SnB is scum btw? I do Why am I scum No one has made a case I can respond to Also I'm not Also I'm probably dying at the end of night anyway I will. Give me a few. And marv preflip association bad. I don't want to assume OOHCHILD is scum hard-defending SnB yet. Please don't tell me what's good and bad, I was doing it in association with Prome's own read on OOHCHILD, and it didn't tain my own read. I don't need teaching how to play the game. How am I supposed to know what affects your read and what doesn't? Everybody needs reminders sometimes, even you, o unfallible one. Regarding SnB: Show nested quote +On October 30 2013 05:46 strongandbig wrote:On October 30 2013 05:34 Pandain wrote:
Day one scum try to contribute and appear town, but aren't that actually dedicated.
They usually aren't retarded, think through their posts, and still don't try to help town atmosphere.
All the things a scum would do on day one I see in SnB which of these things are not also things a townie without much time would do? i guess the thread atmosphere thing, but how am i hurting thread atmosphere? On October 30 2013 05:42 Pandain wrote:On October 30 2013 05:39 marvellosity wrote:On October 30 2013 03:48 strongandbig wrote:
Also - I'm starting to worry about sentinel's mystery countdown power and why he still hasn't told us what it does. Despite calling koshi scum for not telling us what his power does. I dunno about s&b. This post is pretty bad because Sentinel has talked about his power so many times, I don't see the point in bringing it up again. Then again it looks like s&b actually made genuine effort to go and look at Pandain's games earlier when he talked about his big posts Problem is SnB also made a genuine effort to point out why Palmar was scum in Thug life. SnB can go hard to explain a read he's confident in when it benefits you. The problem is even if he did, was that in the approach to help town or to explain himself. If it's to help town, why share it when really I wasn't under any suspicion. If it's to explain himself, it makes sense to defend me as I'm town and that will be revealed later/he's ultimately right. I don't think SnB is giving an effort to help town, I think his effort ultimately only shows that he's interested in appearing town by posting reads. Has he really attempted to change this lynch or help drive a lynch? dude you were on my team, you KNOW that wasn't a genuine effort because I knew palmar was scum because he was ON A TEAM WITH THE TWO OF US also did even that case didn't involve any actual research into palmar's past games also i forgot that sentinel claimed he doesn't know what his power does. but why is saying that scum motivated. last thing, why would i have attempted to change the lynch when i like it What are you referring to here exactly? Show nested quote +On October 30 2013 11:42 strongandbig wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Decided to nuke HCC because (a) I don't like the way he swapped to pandain from wave for no reason, (b) don't like how he powered up koshi for no reason at the very start if the game then attacked people for doing the same to sentinel, (c) don't like how he only talks about me and oo while yelling about going after easy targets, (d) general feeling.
This bothers me because I feel like a ton of people did exactly the same thing but you're trying to find a way to justify your nuke on VA. Show nested quote +On October 30 2013 23:19 strongandbig wrote:On October 30 2013 21:43 marvellosity wrote:On October 30 2013 21:41 strongandbig wrote:
It's too late for more nukes
And Marv I'm just surprised people are multi nuking me rather than any of the other actually scummy people around Which two people would you flip right now if you had the chance? Well, I'm actually kind of unsure now about wos. Once pandain made my vote not matter I didn't have to decide whether I believed the turnaround. So like, I would be happy if he flipped but I'm not sure I want to flip him. I think I'd go with ooh child and vayne. Sent I'm struggling with because I feel like the way he played is antitown but I can't see his power going to mafia unless they're all fake. So if they turn out to be all fake nukes at the day post then sentinel. Actially nm I think I still would put wos on the list above sentinel. I just get really bad feelings about how self-focused he was early in day 1 on people who attacked him despite the pressure being largely superficial. I suppose I understand your reasoning at the end of the post regarding why you still want me to flip, but I don't understand why you said you were unsure in the beginning. I also don't understand---do you think OOHCHILD/Vayne/me are all scum together? Because i'm not sure that is possible.
1. Like I said, once I decided I didn't want to kill pandain, I decided that you were a good choice to lynch and better than the other options people were voting for (if there were any, I don't remember). I'm pretty sure I posted something about that where i said i disagreed with promethelax's case but i still thought you were scum. and my filter is pretty short, you must've read that right?
2. "Trying to find a way to justify" vs "explaining my reasons for". If I was scum and wanted to yolo lynch someone, I would've made up reasons for nuking rayn or Marv or someone good instead of vayne right? Or I would have just kept my nuke, but I see no scenario in which nuking vayne isn't worth my life as scum. Especially when I can be pretty sure a revenge nuke is coming (since this is VA we're talking about). Instead, suppose I'm a townie, I've decided to use my nuke before going to sleep, I look around at the players who haven't been nuked yet, and I choose vayne. How does my post in this scenario differ from what I actually posted? (Protip: it doesn't)
Also I strongly disagree that other players who had not yet been nuked had done all the things I talked about vayne doing. He was definitely more hypocritical and more suspect than the other people who were still alive and unnuked.
3. The only reason I was unsure was that Marv and prome seemed persuaded by your outpouring of emotion and rage. I think they're both good players so the fact that they appeared to think you were genuine made me hesitant.
4. I don't care who you are scum with. I don't look at potential teams until someone flips. I look for the people most likely to be scum and try to make all of them die.
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On October 31 2013 02:36 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 02:26 strongandbig wrote:On October 31 2013 02:06 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 31 2013 01:55 marvellosity wrote:On October 31 2013 01:52 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 31 2013 01:50 strongandbig wrote:On October 31 2013 01:41 Pandain wrote:
Does anyone disagree SnB is scum btw? I do Why am I scum No one has made a case I can respond to Also I'm not Also I'm probably dying at the end of night anyway I will. Give me a few. And marv preflip association bad. I don't want to assume OOHCHILD is scum hard-defending SnB yet. Please don't tell me what's good and bad, I was doing it in association with Prome's own read on OOHCHILD, and it didn't tain my own read. I don't need teaching how to play the game. How am I supposed to know what affects your read and what doesn't? Everybody needs reminders sometimes, even you, o unfallible one. Regarding SnB: On October 30 2013 05:46 strongandbig wrote:On October 30 2013 05:34 Pandain wrote:
Day one scum try to contribute and appear town, but aren't that actually dedicated.
They usually aren't retarded, think through their posts, and still don't try to help town atmosphere.
All the things a scum would do on day one I see in SnB which of these things are not also things a townie without much time would do? i guess the thread atmosphere thing, but how am i hurting thread atmosphere? On October 30 2013 05:42 Pandain wrote:On October 30 2013 05:39 marvellosity wrote:On October 30 2013 03:48 strongandbig wrote:
Also - I'm starting to worry about sentinel's mystery countdown power and why he still hasn't told us what it does. Despite calling koshi scum for not telling us what his power does. I dunno about s&b. This post is pretty bad because Sentinel has talked about his power so many times, I don't see the point in bringing it up again. Then again it looks like s&b actually made genuine effort to go and look at Pandain's games earlier when he talked about his big posts Problem is SnB also made a genuine effort to point out why Palmar was scum in Thug life. SnB can go hard to explain a read he's confident in when it benefits you. The problem is even if he did, was that in the approach to help town or to explain himself. If it's to help town, why share it when really I wasn't under any suspicion. If it's to explain himself, it makes sense to defend me as I'm town and that will be revealed later/he's ultimately right. I don't think SnB is giving an effort to help town, I think his effort ultimately only shows that he's interested in appearing town by posting reads. Has he really attempted to change this lynch or help drive a lynch? dude you were on my team, you KNOW that wasn't a genuine effort because I knew palmar was scum because he was ON A TEAM WITH THE TWO OF US also did even that case didn't involve any actual research into palmar's past games also i forgot that sentinel claimed he doesn't know what his power does. but why is saying that scum motivated. last thing, why would i have attempted to change the lynch when i like it What are you referring to here exactly? On October 30 2013 11:42 strongandbig wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Decided to nuke HCC because (a) I don't like the way he swapped to pandain from wave for no reason, (b) don't like how he powered up koshi for no reason at the very start if the game then attacked people for doing the same to sentinel, (c) don't like how he only talks about me and oo while yelling about going after easy targets, (d) general feeling.
This bothers me because I feel like a ton of people did exactly the same thing but you're trying to find a way to justify your nuke on VA. On October 30 2013 23:19 strongandbig wrote:On October 30 2013 21:43 marvellosity wrote:On October 30 2013 21:41 strongandbig wrote:
It's too late for more nukes
And Marv I'm just surprised people are multi nuking me rather than any of the other actually scummy people around Which two people would you flip right now if you had the chance? Well, I'm actually kind of unsure now about wos. Once pandain made my vote not matter I didn't have to decide whether I believed the turnaround. So like, I would be happy if he flipped but I'm not sure I want to flip him. I think I'd go with ooh child and vayne. Sent I'm struggling with because I feel like the way he played is antitown but I can't see his power going to mafia unless they're all fake. So if they turn out to be all fake nukes at the day post then sentinel. Actially nm I think I still would put wos on the list above sentinel. I just get really bad feelings about how self-focused he was early in day 1 on people who attacked him despite the pressure being largely superficial. I suppose I understand your reasoning at the end of the post regarding why you still want me to flip, but I don't understand why you said you were unsure in the beginning. I also don't understand---do you think OOHCHILD/Vayne/me are all scum together? Because i'm not sure that is possible. 1. Like I said, once I decided I didn't want to kill pandain, I decided that you were a good choice to lynch and better than the other options people were voting for (if there were any, I don't remember). I'm pretty sure I posted something about that where i said i disagreed with promethelax's case but i still thought you were scum. and my filter is pretty short, you must've read that right? 2. "Trying to find a way to justify" vs "explaining my reasons for". If I was scum and wanted to yolo lynch someone, I would've made up reasons for nuking rayn or Marv or someone good instead of vayne right? Or I would have just kept my nuke, but I see no scenario in which nuking vayne isn't worth my life as scum. Especially when I can be pretty sure a revenge nuke is coming (since this is VA we're talking about). Instead, suppose I'm a townie, I've decided to use my nuke before going to sleep, I look around at the players who haven't been nuked yet, and I choose vayne. How does my post in this scenario differ from what I actually posted? (Protip: it doesn't) Also I strongly disagree that other players who had not yet been nuked had done all the things I talked about vayne doing. He was definitely more hypocritical and more suspect than the other people who were still alive and unnuked. 3. The only reason I was unsure was that Marv and prome seemed persuaded by your outpouring of emotion and rage. I think they're both good players so the fact that they appeared to think you were genuine made me hesitant. 4. I don't care who you are scum with. I don't look at potential teams until someone flips. I look for the people most likely to be scum and try to make all of them die. 1) Yes I read your filter, and I had already commented on your disagreeing with Prome's case and calling me scum---we even had a conversation about it earlier yesterday. What I don;'t understand is why you refer to it as trying to change a lynch. There is a difference between soft-defending and opening up your options and actively trying to prevent a lynch. This is mainly why I found you scummy D1, because you are being super wishy-washy about me and half-defending me while still putting weak reasoning for lynching me on top of that (using Rayn as your backup). 2) Any reason you could have come up with for yolo nuking marv (for example) would have been awful, so that's a terrible example. VA is just one of those nukable players, but yes, I see what you're saying in that the trade probably isn't worth it---though this may hinge on whether you believe the nukes are real or not. I suppose that reasoning makes it even less likely if you believe them to be fake, like I do. 3) k 4) k I'd probably downgrade you to null based on this honestly, though I'd still like to talk about #1 if you don;t mind. Maybe let me know on that note what you currently think of Rayn. he's doing a whole lot less than I expect of him.
Pandain said I was scum for not trying to change the lynch, i said why would I try to change the lynch if I agree with it.
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On October 31 2013 02:41 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 02:36 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 31 2013 02:26 strongandbig wrote:On October 31 2013 02:06 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 31 2013 01:55 marvellosity wrote:On October 31 2013 01:52 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 31 2013 01:50 strongandbig wrote:On October 31 2013 01:41 Pandain wrote:
Does anyone disagree SnB is scum btw? I do Why am I scum No one has made a case I can respond to Also I'm not Also I'm probably dying at the end of night anyway I will. Give me a few. And marv preflip association bad. I don't want to assume OOHCHILD is scum hard-defending SnB yet. Please don't tell me what's good and bad, I was doing it in association with Prome's own read on OOHCHILD, and it didn't tain my own read. I don't need teaching how to play the game. How am I supposed to know what affects your read and what doesn't? Everybody needs reminders sometimes, even you, o unfallible one. Regarding SnB: On October 30 2013 05:46 strongandbig wrote:On October 30 2013 05:34 Pandain wrote:
Day one scum try to contribute and appear town, but aren't that actually dedicated.
They usually aren't retarded, think through their posts, and still don't try to help town atmosphere.
All the things a scum would do on day one I see in SnB which of these things are not also things a townie without much time would do? i guess the thread atmosphere thing, but how am i hurting thread atmosphere? On October 30 2013 05:42 Pandain wrote:On October 30 2013 05:39 marvellosity wrote:On October 30 2013 03:48 strongandbig wrote:
Also - I'm starting to worry about sentinel's mystery countdown power and why he still hasn't told us what it does. Despite calling koshi scum for not telling us what his power does. I dunno about s&b. This post is pretty bad because Sentinel has talked about his power so many times, I don't see the point in bringing it up again. Then again it looks like s&b actually made genuine effort to go and look at Pandain's games earlier when he talked about his big posts Problem is SnB also made a genuine effort to point out why Palmar was scum in Thug life. SnB can go hard to explain a read he's confident in when it benefits you. The problem is even if he did, was that in the approach to help town or to explain himself. If it's to help town, why share it when really I wasn't under any suspicion. If it's to explain himself, it makes sense to defend me as I'm town and that will be revealed later/he's ultimately right. I don't think SnB is giving an effort to help town, I think his effort ultimately only shows that he's interested in appearing town by posting reads. Has he really attempted to change this lynch or help drive a lynch? dude you were on my team, you KNOW that wasn't a genuine effort because I knew palmar was scum because he was ON A TEAM WITH THE TWO OF US also did even that case didn't involve any actual research into palmar's past games also i forgot that sentinel claimed he doesn't know what his power does. but why is saying that scum motivated. last thing, why would i have attempted to change the lynch when i like it What are you referring to here exactly? On October 30 2013 11:42 strongandbig wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Decided to nuke HCC because (a) I don't like the way he swapped to pandain from wave for no reason, (b) don't like how he powered up koshi for no reason at the very start if the game then attacked people for doing the same to sentinel, (c) don't like how he only talks about me and oo while yelling about going after easy targets, (d) general feeling.
This bothers me because I feel like a ton of people did exactly the same thing but you're trying to find a way to justify your nuke on VA. On October 30 2013 23:19 strongandbig wrote:On October 30 2013 21:43 marvellosity wrote:On October 30 2013 21:41 strongandbig wrote:
It's too late for more nukes
And Marv I'm just surprised people are multi nuking me rather than any of the other actually scummy people around Which two people would you flip right now if you had the chance? Well, I'm actually kind of unsure now about wos. Once pandain made my vote not matter I didn't have to decide whether I believed the turnaround. So like, I would be happy if he flipped but I'm not sure I want to flip him. I think I'd go with ooh child and vayne. Sent I'm struggling with because I feel like the way he played is antitown but I can't see his power going to mafia unless they're all fake. So if they turn out to be all fake nukes at the day post then sentinel. Actially nm I think I still would put wos on the list above sentinel. I just get really bad feelings about how self-focused he was early in day 1 on people who attacked him despite the pressure being largely superficial. I suppose I understand your reasoning at the end of the post regarding why you still want me to flip, but I don't understand why you said you were unsure in the beginning. I also don't understand---do you think OOHCHILD/Vayne/me are all scum together? Because i'm not sure that is possible. 1. Like I said, once I decided I didn't want to kill pandain, I decided that you were a good choice to lynch and better than the other options people were voting for (if there were any, I don't remember). I'm pretty sure I posted something about that where i said i disagreed with promethelax's case but i still thought you were scum. and my filter is pretty short, you must've read that right? 2. "Trying to find a way to justify" vs "explaining my reasons for". If I was scum and wanted to yolo lynch someone, I would've made up reasons for nuking rayn or Marv or someone good instead of vayne right? Or I would have just kept my nuke, but I see no scenario in which nuking vayne isn't worth my life as scum. Especially when I can be pretty sure a revenge nuke is coming (since this is VA we're talking about). Instead, suppose I'm a townie, I've decided to use my nuke before going to sleep, I look around at the players who haven't been nuked yet, and I choose vayne. How does my post in this scenario differ from what I actually posted? (Protip: it doesn't) Also I strongly disagree that other players who had not yet been nuked had done all the things I talked about vayne doing. He was definitely more hypocritical and more suspect than the other people who were still alive and unnuked. 3. The only reason I was unsure was that Marv and prome seemed persuaded by your outpouring of emotion and rage. I think they're both good players so the fact that they appeared to think you were genuine made me hesitant. 4. I don't care who you are scum with. I don't look at potential teams until someone flips. I look for the people most likely to be scum and try to make all of them die. 1) Yes I read your filter, and I had already commented on your disagreeing with Prome's case and calling me scum---we even had a conversation about it earlier yesterday. What I don;'t understand is why you refer to it as trying to change a lynch. There is a difference between soft-defending and opening up your options and actively trying to prevent a lynch. This is mainly why I found you scummy D1, because you are being super wishy-washy about me and half-defending me while still putting weak reasoning for lynching me on top of that (using Rayn as your backup). 2) Any reason you could have come up with for yolo nuking marv (for example) would have been awful, so that's a terrible example. VA is just one of those nukable players, but yes, I see what you're saying in that the trade probably isn't worth it---though this may hinge on whether you believe the nukes are real or not. I suppose that reasoning makes it even less likely if you believe them to be fake, like I do. 3) k 4) k I'd probably downgrade you to null based on this honestly, though I'd still like to talk about #1 if you don;t mind. Maybe let me know on that note what you currently think of Rayn. he's doing a whole lot less than I expect of him. Pandain said I was scum for not trying to change the lynch, i said why would I try to change the lynch if I agree with it.
So why did you nuke me wave?
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Wos since you asked me about rayn: When I've played with scum rayne he's been way more active and aggressive. When I've played with town rayne he's been way more active and aggressive. I don't think I can read him based in that. Maybe he's just trying to spam and dominate the thread less.
That said, I'll give his filter a look when I get back from class.
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On October 31 2013 02:46 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 02:41 strongandbig wrote:On October 31 2013 02:41 strongandbig wrote:On October 31 2013 02:36 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 31 2013 02:26 strongandbig wrote:On October 31 2013 02:06 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 31 2013 01:55 marvellosity wrote:On October 31 2013 01:52 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 31 2013 01:50 strongandbig wrote:On October 31 2013 01:41 Pandain wrote:
Does anyone disagree SnB is scum btw? I do Why am I scum No one has made a case I can respond to Also I'm not Also I'm probably dying at the end of night anyway I will. Give me a few. And marv preflip association bad. I don't want to assume OOHCHILD is scum hard-defending SnB yet. Please don't tell me what's good and bad, I was doing it in association with Prome's own read on OOHCHILD, and it didn't tain my own read. I don't need teaching how to play the game. How am I supposed to know what affects your read and what doesn't? Everybody needs reminders sometimes, even you, o unfallible one. Regarding SnB: On October 30 2013 05:46 strongandbig wrote:On October 30 2013 05:34 Pandain wrote:
Day one scum try to contribute and appear town, but aren't that actually dedicated.
They usually aren't retarded, think through their posts, and still don't try to help town atmosphere.
All the things a scum would do on day one I see in SnB which of these things are not also things a townie without much time would do? i guess the thread atmosphere thing, but how am i hurting thread atmosphere? On October 30 2013 05:42 Pandain wrote:On October 30 2013 05:39 marvellosity wrote:On October 30 2013 03:48 strongandbig wrote:
Also - I'm starting to worry about sentinel's mystery countdown power and why he still hasn't told us what it does. Despite calling koshi scum for not telling us what his power does. I dunno about s&b. This post is pretty bad because Sentinel has talked about his power so many times, I don't see the point in bringing it up again. Then again it looks like s&b actually made genuine effort to go and look at Pandain's games earlier when he talked about his big posts Problem is SnB also made a genuine effort to point out why Palmar was scum in Thug life. SnB can go hard to explain a read he's confident in when it benefits you. The problem is even if he did, was that in the approach to help town or to explain himself. If it's to help town, why share it when really I wasn't under any suspicion. If it's to explain himself, it makes sense to defend me as I'm town and that will be revealed later/he's ultimately right. I don't think SnB is giving an effort to help town, I think his effort ultimately only shows that he's interested in appearing town by posting reads. Has he really attempted to change this lynch or help drive a lynch? dude you were on my team, you KNOW that wasn't a genuine effort because I knew palmar was scum because he was ON A TEAM WITH THE TWO OF US also did even that case didn't involve any actual research into palmar's past games also i forgot that sentinel claimed he doesn't know what his power does. but why is saying that scum motivated. last thing, why would i have attempted to change the lynch when i like it What are you referring to here exactly? On October 30 2013 11:42 strongandbig wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Decided to nuke HCC because (a) I don't like the way he swapped to pandain from wave for no reason, (b) don't like how he powered up koshi for no reason at the very start if the game then attacked people for doing the same to sentinel, (c) don't like how he only talks about me and oo while yelling about going after easy targets, (d) general feeling.
This bothers me because I feel like a ton of people did exactly the same thing but you're trying to find a way to justify your nuke on VA. On October 30 2013 23:19 strongandbig wrote:On October 30 2013 21:43 marvellosity wrote:On October 30 2013 21:41 strongandbig wrote:
It's too late for more nukes
And Marv I'm just surprised people are multi nuking me rather than any of the other actually scummy people around Which two people would you flip right now if you had the chance? Well, I'm actually kind of unsure now about wos. Once pandain made my vote not matter I didn't have to decide whether I believed the turnaround. So like, I would be happy if he flipped but I'm not sure I want to flip him. I think I'd go with ooh child and vayne. Sent I'm struggling with because I feel like the way he played is antitown but I can't see his power going to mafia unless they're all fake. So if they turn out to be all fake nukes at the day post then sentinel. Actially nm I think I still would put wos on the list above sentinel. I just get really bad feelings about how self-focused he was early in day 1 on people who attacked him despite the pressure being largely superficial. I suppose I understand your reasoning at the end of the post regarding why you still want me to flip, but I don't understand why you said you were unsure in the beginning. I also don't understand---do you think OOHCHILD/Vayne/me are all scum together? Because i'm not sure that is possible. 1. Like I said, once I decided I didn't want to kill pandain, I decided that you were a good choice to lynch and better than the other options people were voting for (if there were any, I don't remember). I'm pretty sure I posted something about that where i said i disagreed with promethelax's case but i still thought you were scum. and my filter is pretty short, you must've read that right? 2. "Trying to find a way to justify" vs "explaining my reasons for". If I was scum and wanted to yolo lynch someone, I would've made up reasons for nuking rayn or Marv or someone good instead of vayne right? Or I would have just kept my nuke, but I see no scenario in which nuking vayne isn't worth my life as scum. Especially when I can be pretty sure a revenge nuke is coming (since this is VA we're talking about). Instead, suppose I'm a townie, I've decided to use my nuke before going to sleep, I look around at the players who haven't been nuked yet, and I choose vayne. How does my post in this scenario differ from what I actually posted? (Protip: it doesn't) Also I strongly disagree that other players who had not yet been nuked had done all the things I talked about vayne doing. He was definitely more hypocritical and more suspect than the other people who were still alive and unnuked. 3. The only reason I was unsure was that Marv and prome seemed persuaded by your outpouring of emotion and rage. I think they're both good players so the fact that they appeared to think you were genuine made me hesitant. 4. I don't care who you are scum with. I don't look at potential teams until someone flips. I look for the people most likely to be scum and try to make all of them die. 1) Yes I read your filter, and I had already commented on your disagreeing with Prome's case and calling me scum---we even had a conversation about it earlier yesterday. What I don;'t understand is why you refer to it as trying to change a lynch. There is a difference between soft-defending and opening up your options and actively trying to prevent a lynch. This is mainly why I found you scummy D1, because you are being super wishy-washy about me and half-defending me while still putting weak reasoning for lynching me on top of that (using Rayn as your backup). 2) Any reason you could have come up with for yolo nuking marv (for example) would have been awful, so that's a terrible example. VA is just one of those nukable players, but yes, I see what you're saying in that the trade probably isn't worth it---though this may hinge on whether you believe the nukes are real or not. I suppose that reasoning makes it even less likely if you believe them to be fake, like I do. 3) k 4) k I'd probably downgrade you to null based on this honestly, though I'd still like to talk about #1 if you don;t mind. Maybe let me know on that note what you currently think of Rayn. he's doing a whole lot less than I expect of him. Pandain said I was scum for not trying to change the lynch, i said why would I try to change the lynch if I agree with it. So why did you nuke me wave? First of all, because at that point I still firmly believed you were scum. Second, can you explain a little more thoroughly, I'm really not following. Maybe I'm an idiot. Pandain said you were scum for not trying to change what lynch?
Idk, I assumed he was talking about your lynch. The post of his is quoted in my post that you quoted.
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I still think it's improbable that he actually thought of "decreasing every number in your role" as good, and "increasing every number" as bad. He had no way of knowing that you had powers with costs, I think in general powers with numerical effects are more common.
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On October 31 2013 03:07 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 03:03 strongandbig wrote:On October 31 2013 02:46 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 31 2013 02:41 strongandbig wrote:On October 31 2013 02:41 strongandbig wrote:On October 31 2013 02:36 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 31 2013 02:26 strongandbig wrote:On October 31 2013 02:06 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 31 2013 01:55 marvellosity wrote:On October 31 2013 01:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
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I will. Give me a few. And marv preflip association bad. I don't want to assume OOHCHILD is scum hard-defending SnB yet. Please don't tell me what's good and bad, I was doing it in association with Prome's own read on OOHCHILD, and it didn't tain my own read. I don't need teaching how to play the game. How am I supposed to know what affects your read and what doesn't? Everybody needs reminders sometimes, even you, o unfallible one. Regarding SnB: On October 30 2013 05:46 strongandbig wrote:On October 30 2013 05:34 Pandain wrote:
Day one scum try to contribute and appear town, but aren't that actually dedicated.
They usually aren't retarded, think through their posts, and still don't try to help town atmosphere.
All the things a scum would do on day one I see in SnB which of these things are not also things a townie without much time would do? i guess the thread atmosphere thing, but how am i hurting thread atmosphere? On October 30 2013 05:42 Pandain wrote:
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Problem is SnB also made a genuine effort to point out why Palmar was scum in Thug life. SnB can go hard to explain a read he's confident in when it benefits you.
The problem is even if he did, was that in the approach to help town or to explain himself. If it's to help town, why share it when really I wasn't under any suspicion. If it's to explain himself, it makes sense to defend me as I'm town and that will be revealed later/he's ultimately right.
I don't think SnB is giving an effort to help town, I think his effort ultimately only shows that he's interested in appearing town by posting reads.
Has he really attempted to change this lynch or help drive a lynch? dude you were on my team, you KNOW that wasn't a genuine effort because I knew palmar was scum because he was ON A TEAM WITH THE TWO OF US also did even that case didn't involve any actual research into palmar's past games also i forgot that sentinel claimed he doesn't know what his power does. but why is saying that scum motivated. last thing, why would i have attempted to change the lynch when i like it What are you referring to here exactly? On October 30 2013 11:42 strongandbig wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Decided to nuke HCC because (a) I don't like the way he swapped to pandain from wave for no reason, (b) don't like how he powered up koshi for no reason at the very start if the game then attacked people for doing the same to sentinel, (c) don't like how he only talks about me and oo while yelling about going after easy targets, (d) general feeling.
This bothers me because I feel like a ton of people did exactly the same thing but you're trying to find a way to justify your nuke on VA. On October 30 2013 23:19 strongandbig wrote:On October 30 2013 21:43 marvellosity wrote:
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Which two people would you flip right now if you had the chance?
Well, I'm actually kind of unsure now about wos. Once pandain made my vote not matter I didn't have to decide whether I believed the turnaround. So like, I would be happy if he flipped but I'm not sure I want to flip him. I think I'd go with ooh child and vayne. Sent I'm struggling with because I feel like the way he played is antitown but I can't see his power going to mafia unless they're all fake. So if they turn out to be all fake nukes at the day post then sentinel. Actially nm I think I still would put wos on the list above sentinel. I just get really bad feelings about how self-focused he was early in day 1 on people who attacked him despite the pressure being largely superficial. I suppose I understand your reasoning at the end of the post regarding why you still want me to flip, but I don't understand why you said you were unsure in the beginning. I also don't understand---do you think OOHCHILD/Vayne/me are all scum together? Because i'm not sure that is possible. 1. Like I said, once I decided I didn't want to kill pandain, I decided that you were a good choice to lynch and better than the other options people were voting for (if there were any, I don't remember). I'm pretty sure I posted something about that where i said i disagreed with promethelax's case but i still thought you were scum. and my filter is pretty short, you must've read that right? 2. "Trying to find a way to justify" vs "explaining my reasons for". If I was scum and wanted to yolo lynch someone, I would've made up reasons for nuking rayn or Marv or someone good instead of vayne right? Or I would have just kept my nuke, but I see no scenario in which nuking vayne isn't worth my life as scum. Especially when I can be pretty sure a revenge nuke is coming (since this is VA we're talking about). Instead, suppose I'm a townie, I've decided to use my nuke before going to sleep, I look around at the players who haven't been nuked yet, and I choose vayne. How does my post in this scenario differ from what I actually posted? (Protip: it doesn't) Also I strongly disagree that other players who had not yet been nuked had done all the things I talked about vayne doing. He was definitely more hypocritical and more suspect than the other people who were still alive and unnuked. 3. The only reason I was unsure was that Marv and prome seemed persuaded by your outpouring of emotion and rage. I think they're both good players so the fact that they appeared to think you were genuine made me hesitant. 4. I don't care who you are scum with. I don't look at potential teams until someone flips. I look for the people most likely to be scum and try to make all of them die. 1) Yes I read your filter, and I had already commented on your disagreeing with Prome's case and calling me scum---we even had a conversation about it earlier yesterday. What I don;'t understand is why you refer to it as trying to change a lynch. There is a difference between soft-defending and opening up your options and actively trying to prevent a lynch. This is mainly why I found you scummy D1, because you are being super wishy-washy about me and half-defending me while still putting weak reasoning for lynching me on top of that (using Rayn as your backup). 2) Any reason you could have come up with for yolo nuking marv (for example) would have been awful, so that's a terrible example. VA is just one of those nukable players, but yes, I see what you're saying in that the trade probably isn't worth it---though this may hinge on whether you believe the nukes are real or not. I suppose that reasoning makes it even less likely if you believe them to be fake, like I do. 3) k 4) k I'd probably downgrade you to null based on this honestly, though I'd still like to talk about #1 if you don;t mind. Maybe let me know on that note what you currently think of Rayn. he's doing a whole lot less than I expect of him. Pandain said I was scum for not trying to change the lynch, i said why would I try to change the lynch if I agree with it. So why did you nuke me wave? First of all, because at that point I still firmly believed you were scum. Second, can you explain a little more thoroughly, I'm really not following. Maybe I'm an idiot. Pandain said you were scum for not trying to change what lynch? Idk, I assumed he was talking about your lynch. The post of his is quoted in my post that you quoted. Ok maybe that's where my inability to understand the context stems from. Why would Pandain assume you were trying to change a lynch of me here? He mentioned I guess that he's not sure if you are trying to change it or support it but that's not what I got out of the soft defenses of me at all---those were way too weak to change any sort of lynch and it was clear to me you actually wanted me lynched. I just assumed it was so a scum you could go back and point out the instances where you wished and washed so as not to be blamed. Maybe Pandain can answer this stuff himself---he may be a good place to look as well.
yeah i dont really know what he was getting at but i assumed he was talking about the main lynch at the time, which was you.
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so i looked through rayn's filter briefly, but i can't really make anything significant out of it. I don't have any good heuristic for reading him. I'm a little worried that if he is scum, he's just laying low until they can shoot marv and prome so that he can assert thread control. but yeah, no i dont know
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On October 31 2013 08:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am now going to go buy cigarrettes. I will answer you when i am back. Apparently i need to tell this from now on.
HOW DOES IT FEEL RAYN
HOW DOES IT FEEL NOW THAT THE TABLES HAVE TURNED!
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Pandain I'll ask you again, why do you think I'm scum? Last time I asked you didn't answer, but wos did and after I explained stuff he changed his mind.
I really feel like you're just continuing to say I'm scum because you're comfortable with having a scum read on me. You mention me like a hundred times as one of your preferred lynches but you haven't done anything substantive to explain that or persuade anyone why I'm likely scum. I don't like it.
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##Twerk
Let me know if I got that wrong
Anyway I looked at sent again. I read his filter this game and his filter from noir where he was scum. No quotes cause on phone.
Filter this game feels very different from noir filter. Noir he was way more "srsbsns I'm makin reads guise". However, I can't decide whether that indicates an alignment difference or if it's just cause this game is a crazy themed game where he got a troll role from the hosts.
I'm still a little stuck on the stuff at the start of the game about not retweeting koshi, then doing Marv, then doing koshi anyway. It just all feels pretty over-done/under-explained, if that makes sense.
Also I kind of have a problem with him not really talking about anyone but kush and himself (and wos I guess). Like, the stuff in his case is mostly true - kush's actions were pretty much objectively scummy and terrible. But it's pretty convenient if sent's scum. But on the other hand, I know that can also happen to a townie under pressure, and judging by his noir filter it's not like tunneling is a scum tell for him.
In conclusion: Sentinel could very well be scum, and I would say he's higher on my scummy list than many others in this game, but I'm far from convinced.
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Marv why didn't your nuke worm
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