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On October 16 2013 02:51 Sn0_Man wrote: I-be-Pro is totally bh. Guess I have to shoot him day one | ||
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Or Griffindor | ||
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What do you think of Grack? | ||
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On October 17 2013 08:35 Mattchew wrote: a lot of soft accusations being thrown at Skanjab1s and dont we always have to lynch the self aware miller or is that some other weird role? On October 17 2013 10:58 Mattchew wrote: nothing, other than that he claimed miller in the first post and that was either really bold play as mafia or smart play as town saying lol at the end of a sentence is what you do when your texting a girl and you're nervous she wont understand what you're saying is a joke, aka weakness On October 17 2013 10:59 Mattchew wrote: i want to change my use of "smart" to "correct" Suspicious weak justification, and if it was in his opinion correct play why would we lynch him. | ||
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The fact they could be asleep is also offset by the fact that Cephiro recently made a long post that clearly showed thought yet put off contributing in thread. Cephiro would you like to explain that? I have a town read on Grack because he is embracing his role but is still making some good points, but he is making a really weird point about not contributing which is really nonsensical to me. There could be a scum motivation to it, such as if his house is only him and therefore he doesn't want to help contribute, or there is the more likely instance that he simply hasn't thought it through. I want to eliminate the possibilities. Skanjab I have a town read on and I don't have a good read on Toad yet. Was your intent with this post to pressure me or are you serious; you've been looking for flaws where there really aren't any and it's contradicting with what I think you would be doing in looking for actually suspicious people. You don't think StorrZerg, being an esports mafia veteran taking a back seat in his first game of forum mafia is suspicious? You are putting assumptions about what I'm doing without any real logic, and I don't see any town reason. On October 17 2013 15:13 Holyflare wrote: What I really actually want to know Pandain is why the summary but leave out the entire starting argument? What did you glean from Skanjab1s replies to Toads pressure. Deflecting? If you say this, is any response really going to help you? You say I left so much out, do you really expect me to put everything? You set higher standards for me then what is expected and I am interested in why. | ||
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He posted a lot early on and made jokes. I haven't seen scum do that early on though I acknowledge it could happen. Usually town are the very first ones to post, and him making jokes amplifies my town reads. He also made very weak arguments in Thug Life which is why I thought he was scum, but it ended up being wrong. On October 17 2013 06:48 Grackaroni wrote: 1) the voting thread wasn't even created when I posted. 2) It's not a real vote 3) Watching for players being afraid to put votes in the voting thread at the start of the game is a silly and ineffective method of scumhunting. This is fine for an explanation, what about you? | ||
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Holyflare is quite interesting, but he'll slip up eventually if he is scum. Storr we will see. And there are probably at least two scum in the lurkers, if not more. | ||
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People need to contribute to the thread. | ||
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On October 17 2013 23:41 yamato77 wrote: Well, at least this idiotic push if me gives me a read on you. I don't think it proves anything, never really see mafia go after vets. Especially with weak reasoning and when they're all alone, its just a lone townie trying to lynch you. Mocsta and Yamato are my two strongest town reads. Mocsta because every single thing he's posted so far I've liked and he's not spamming the thread while still having an influence. Yamato because he is being his townie self without the incessant spam, and I heavily disagree that he isn't pushing people. You don't have to vote someone to push them. Rayne I cannot see how you read Vayne. When he's not contributing you think he's town and when he does contribute you think he's scum. He has already put more effort into the game then the first two days of the Thug. I am not sure of the alignment of Vayne, but there are better people to go after for a lynch especially when there are already suspicious people. Skanjab, you are tunneling Yamato and reading into things. He doesn't have to exactly fit with his town meta to be town, heck he was playing his scum meta up until the second day of play in Thug and he was town. Also why /would you lynch a potentially very valuable vet? We should lynch Palmar if he doesn't shape up for worst post he could have made; absolutely nothing of interest would have come out of that statement. This is exactly his scum play in Thug playing bullshit fake contribution which isn't original or innovative. Stutters hasn't posted in forever, Ceriph is of course a good lynch. Keeping mine on Mattchew because I actually have reasons but am interested to see three votes on Vayne | ||
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Isn't that post scummy? | ||
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Meta is way over used in lynches. | ||
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On October 17 2013 23:49 LastArgument wrote: What supposed town mentality? You've simply asserted that magically you now like policy lynching having been staunchly against it previously in your town career. This even misrepresents your own quotation, as the quotation in question clearly puts you against policy lynches in general, even though it was applied to one player at the time. Reading the quotation, you are obviously talking in general terms. Do you really think that two posts in different contexts mean that he always has to be against policy lynches? Even if it hinted at that, couldn't he change? Why are you voting him, is it just for that. | ||
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On October 17 2013 18:34 EchelonTee wrote: I really, really dislike this. The QT's are basically imperfect mason circles; while a mason circle with confirmed townies is extremely powerful to bounce reads off one another, one that almost definitely has scum in it is very open to manipulation. Any interesting information (people's town lists anyone?) that is listed in a QT, but not in the thread will still make it to the scum, giving them an edge. The QTs are also inferior compared to PM circles, as you can pick and choose who you PM and try to get share information only with people you believe to be town. The majority of the activity should be in thread. I don't doubt that Toad will be active in the thread, but hidden information in QTs is decisively negative. I'm also still considering if the town as a whole should decide on how to use the prizes from challenges or not; putting it up to a town vote would 1.) generate healthy discussion, 2.)allow the town to have more control how these power items will be used. What does this post do? It's a whole bunch of words but no end impact and it would never have impact. It is also negative and discourages people from QT play, which is bad. ET has 5 other people he can start to harass and question in thread, and he says woah that's too dangerous. On October 17 2013 20:09 EchelonTee wrote: This clearly articulates why I dislike the QT activity that does not get fully transferred over to thread Why? If I can confirm a whole house or lynch the scum in it, that's a town circle right there. QT activity can win this game and we should keep them active. I also don't like how he started to get the "dumb" response to Mocsta by saying "Are you kidding me". Responses like that indicate you feel threatened so you go after the other person | ||
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Well if you want to convince me to vote for him, then lay it on the line. I only see that you think he should always value suspicions over policy lynches. | ||
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On October 17 2013 23:55 Skanjab1s wrote: Tunneling is my style. Reading into things is the way I roll, baby. I do not let off my scumreads because they "could be valuable" or because they are vets. Alright then hopefully you will recognize you are wrong. I'll probably push Echolen, Palmar, or Mattchew later but we'll see. O_O | ||
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On October 18 2013 00:01 LastArgument wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=431052¤tpage=29#573 I'm interested to hear anyone's opinion on it really. Forgot this post, I'll read it later and reflect. | ||
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On October 18 2013 00:43 Palmar wrote: That's because you're not thinking. I think it's a pretty legit question. Also, I'd at least see if his answer makes any kind of sense before I try to policy lynch him. Why a policy lynch? I see no reason to its not like he was checked and then claims miller | ||
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On October 18 2013 02:10 VayneAuthority wrote: im glad we sent some one to the champion game where his best contribution so far recently has been advocating spite lynches and getting lynched day 1 as town, 2 str0ng You are being by far unacceptable and deserve to get lynched even if not scum. You need to shape up and apologize | ||
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Worst roles of all time. Ron/Herminoie/Harry are probably confirmed, anyone else is fair game. | ||
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On October 18 2013 02:15 yamato77 wrote: There is literally zero explanation for this play coming from town. Seriously, he is mafia. He was a dick to me in Thug, and even though I was mafia he couldn't be sure. And being a dick isn't acceptable anyway. I wanted to do this at the start of the game but was willing to give him a chance and actually scum hunt other players who are lynched solely for their posts. However Vayne is disrupting the thread and will be a nuisiance later on. I will in essence sup up my (good) reasons for lynching Vayne that I had outlined in Thug Life: 1. His playstyle is not to lynch people but to avoid getting lynched. This is a playstyle which needs to be discouraged. 2. Hes not going to contribute until Day 3/4 anyway. I actually had a town read on him which I wasn't certain on, but he's a good enough lynch as honestly we probably wouldn't lynch scum anyway today. | ||
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He got super frustrated with me and Rayn for reasons I can see and appreciate now, and would have to have been a forced mindset if he was scum. Took it really personal. Apparently he was just too busy in life and didn't want to make a post yet in thread. QTs were more relaxed to him and a post in the thread would have been too definitive a statement when he wasn't really sure on everything going on. I'm pretty surprised at the plethora of people voting him who aren't in Gryffindor as he hasn't said anything then, right? Toad, why are you deciding on a man you haven't seen any posts of instead of doing actual analysis. A random lynch isn't going to gain traction and it shouldn't gain traction almost everyone has posted so far and it's a game that should be decided through analysis not random voting. Furthermore I have a soft town read on Rayne/Koshi, Koshi's posts were Koshi town and apparently Rayne agrees with my views which means even if he's scum he's working into my favor. I love StorrZerg's last post and he's town in my eyes. Which leaves these people: Sn0 Vayne Echelon Mattchew Onegu Tunkeg Palmar I-be-Pro Stutters JAT. Palmar doesn't fit into this list and is playing like his scum self. I don't like how he's attempting to hide information he has from the rest of the thread and hoping to get a last minute bandwagon, if even that. He seems sure Mocsta is scum and yet is waiting for a response, which indicates he wouldn't be sure Mocsta is scum. His play is flawed, illogical, and seems calculated and he should be voted. This is the same playstyle Palmar did in Thug Life where he acted aloof and distant. If Palmar wasn't a vet, he would be auto-lynched and the reputation Palmar has in this game suggests that he's playing exactly opposite of how he would want to as town. There are simply too many variables to make me believe Palmar is town. FoS on I-be-Pro for voting Ceph | ||
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Hopeless Last Argument Skanjabs Yamato I have town reads on all of these people and others, upon analyzing them, should confirm/deny this from their own perspective. I also would like it if someone took the time to summarize their House QT for the thread. | ||
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On October 18 2013 05:16 I-be-Pro wrote: long story short: Like I said, I was really busy today with the 3 hour trainride, didn't sleep a lot because I stayed up until 4m yesterday when I had to wake up at 7am again to get to my math classes comming home to an empty fridge and all that so I haven't realy done anything today due to that and me being sleepy as fuck when it's only 22:00 over here. (Explaining what moeboats are to Oats in irc for 45 minutes straight didn't help either  )A bunch of people I might have considered voteable are unvoteable d1 due to my role so I'm going for someone I know really well because we hang out in irc a lot, because I feel comfortable reading him in a short amount of time due to that restriction of mine. But he hasn't posted anything in thread. On October 18 2013 05:18 LastArgument wrote: You were on his team in LXII, correct? Browsing his filter there he does a nice line in righteous complaining, and little else. In fact it looks like he complained about being busy in life in that game too. What is the difference between that game and what he's doing in the QT? Also explain to me why a townie would be worried about making a 'definitive statement' or worry about how they look generally in this thread? Your explanations actually seem to incriminate him more, not less, so if you're somehow convinced he's town, you're not explaining it very well. My reasoning is that he has defended himself enough in a genuine and logical fashion to justify him not being lynched today. If he starts to suck in thread and therefore become suspicious, then we can lynch him. Today is not going to be that day unless he posts that he's scum or something. Other people, however, have posted more and therefore have revealed their intentions in a clearer light then what can be discerned for Ceph. As for his being scared, if you come into thread without fully reading the thread and write a bullshit response, then that haunts you the entire game whether your town or scum. I'm under the impression that he hadn't read the thread fully at that time and he has, according to him, "a life" | ||
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On October 18 2013 05:25 Palmar wrote: Please, point me to where I said I was trying to hide information in order to get a last minute bandwagon. I'm hoping mocsta shows up in the thread again before the deadline. And please, also show me where I said I was sure Mocsta is scum. On October 18 2013 01:08 Palmar wrote: To me, what mocsta did should be no-questions-asked policy lynchable. But I'm in no rush, let's hear WHY he did it. On October 18 2013 00:58 Palmar wrote: That would be preferable. I'll explain why the question is important once Mocsta explains exactly WHY he claimed miller. Hiding information, why would you do that from town. I see no reason for a policy lynch of Mocsta unless you think he's also scum. By last minute I mean you are banking on waiting for Mocsta to respond which could be hours from now, and is last minute in the context of this mafia game. Do you have opinions other then that hopeless is "maybe town" and Mocsta which you are hiding until he answers? | ||
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On October 18 2013 05:32 LastArgument wrote: This is nowhere near good enough reasoning, and I don't trust your judgement enough to even consider deferring to you. If Cephiro is town, he can come and demonstrate it; otherwise he can die. You don't even have any reasoning because you aren't in Gryfinndor. For all you know me/rayn are greatly exagerrating what Cephiro did in thread, or putting things in the wrong context. Why is your vote of him who you have no objective evidence of better then looking into other people and actually analyzing them? | ||
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On October 18 2013 05:34 Palmar wrote: Policy lynches are called policy lynches for a reason, they're enforced irrelevant of whether there is substantial evidence to lynch someone. Think about lurker lynches for example. There is usually not enough hard evidence to construct a solid case against them, but we lynch them anyway. This is the same thing. And I'd simply like Mocsta to reply to my question without me influencing the answer by explaining how I expect him to reply. Lurker lynches are inherently geared towards finding scum because scum tend to inhabit lurkers and they are anti-town and disrupt the thread through being hard to read. Claimg Self-Aware Miller is neither disruptive or evidence that he's scum. If he had been checked, it would be a different story, but he wasn't. And I'm interested if you currently have any other reads on other players who might be scum; I also think that whatever Mocsta could possibly say isn't going to prove anything at all. In essence I'm doubting you have the basis of a reasonable (soon-to-be) argument. | ||
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 (in mafia game not irl)Furthermore, if you think Mocsta is town and he says what will be the logical thing trying to prevent future confusion if he's checked, then you will still policy lynch him, correct? Because that's the only result I can see from this coming, and you still wanted to lynch him. | ||
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Figurative vote goes on Echelon | ||
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On October 18 2013 06:30 I-be-Pro wrote: it's not about him being to scummy to be scum. It's about Palmar being incredibly stubborn ever since the-game-before-L and L happened and he completly lost it when trying to change his meta to the point that he doesn't give a crap if he's not getting his way. He's not getting his way in this game either. If this was palmar refusing to play for no reason yeah sure lynch him but that's not what's happening. If your waiting for the reason to be for no reason you won't find scum. Your voting Ceph despite clearly having time to go through some filters and while that's an okay choice it's definitely not a town choice or what I would expect from you. | ||
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Agree with Stutters and Palmar. | ||
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On October 18 2013 10:09 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Stutters is capable of making good posts as town. We should lynch him if he does not contribute. Palmar's "apathy" seems like town!Palmar. I can't really explain that better at this point. I have no idea of Sno, i always want to lynch him. Need to see more from him. -rayn My basic problem with this is that even though there is a possibility that he just doesn't give a shit about the thread right now,
Hope that explains my view on that. Also agree on Mattchew of course. | ||
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On October 18 2013 10:10 raynpelikonoshi wrote: So HF (or anyone else) what do you make of Cephiro making one post here and 7 posts in our house QT explaining why he has not posted or why he posted what he did or what he is about to post next? -rayn He basically summarized what he wrote in the QT and then added actual analysis which I liked. It doesn't prove him town in itself but it's definitely significant and means we shouldn't lynch him. | ||
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Any thoughts on any discussion, people are retarded, or the such? | ||
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1. When do you plan to start contributing more? 2. What differentiates your town play from scum play? 3. Who are your town reads? 4. Is there anyone you find suspicious now, even if you're not sure. You stated that Mocsta would've made the "correct" play to claim SAM as town, but then you ask if it's policy to lynch any such SAMS indicating a desire to or at least acceptance of. What would be your stance on the issue. | ||
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Holy, who are your town reads. You say you will pressure people later, why not pressure them now and lay out the questions so we can see what you're thinking? Anything interesting from your QT? | ||
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On October 18 2013 13:02 Mattchew wrote: i answered this and you are skewing my order. Do you mean this? On October 18 2013 00:02 Mattchew wrote: lol what because i asked if it was standard policy to lynch miller claims? or because i called his play correct from a town point of view? because they are 2 completely separate thoughts having nothing to do with one another What I get from this is that you don't see the connection. If it was correct in your opinion to claim SAM as town, then why would you ask if its standard policy to lynch him if Mocsta made a possible town move. | ||
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Here was mine I didn't submit: + Show Spoiler + I'm Harry Potter, the boy who fucks good | ||
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It looks nice on you! | ||
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It's never going to be smart to target an IC night one because of trackers and other splash roles. | ||
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Also rayn you never knew I was scum, sorry neither did vayne | ||
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I was going to claim it later. I wanted mafia to have the same reaction that town would, be naturally suspicious. I wanted you to have a more objective(if forced to be objective) standpoint on the matter. I was going to keep revealing my powers to you guys, so basically just the name I hid. I also hid more useless powers. | ||
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Though I am so grateful for you-know-who to post in my QT for me when my internet went down. They really shouldn't have, and I am enternally thankful. | ||
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On November 03 2013 05:41 Holyflare wrote: -.- you wouldn't have gone on mission suicide if we knew ~_~ If it's a bad idea to send your most valuable scum member, it's also a bad idea to send any scum member. | ||
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This post On October 27 2013 10:18 raynpelikonoshi wrote: CR you do realize you play like total shit? We can't do anything else than lynch you. You play massively scummy + bad. is way over the board and CR shouldn't have to say he was hurt by it. The fact you were town only makes what you said way worse because there is no justification for you personally attacking someone like that. That's not mafia that's enlarging your dick. | ||
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You can phrase it nicer if you want to get the same message across. These posts On October 27 2013 10:29 Grackaroni wrote: No need to be a dick about it. On October 27 2013 10:30 Skanjab1s wrote: When the hell did everyone become such an ass? should have keyed you into it. I don't think you meant to personally attack him, but you did and it went beyond the game. I'll ask you what you were hoping to accomplish with that post, because it seemed more like a statement and I see no reasonable response to it. | ||
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On November 03 2013 08:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah this is basically the point. In most instances you have to trust the emotions take control r the other option is that someone is really being strategically a massive dick (which is really really bad). I was a dick in Noir on purpose, which is a bit of the reason why I try to avoid being a dick in either alignment because I feel really dirty about it. But I do think it's better to be a dick as mafia then town, because at least then you're not being a dick just to be a dick, you're still simply playing the game. Maybe in a bad way, but you have a justifiable reason. Still unacceptable though tbh | ||
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On November 03 2013 05:38 Pandain wrote: I was going to claim it later. I wanted mafia to have the same reaction that town would, be naturally suspicious. I wanted you to have a more objective(if forced to be objective) standpoint on the matter. I was going to keep revealing my powers to you guys, so basically just the name I hid. I also hid more useless powers. | ||
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