Hogwarts Mafia

On October 17 2013 07:56 Holyflare wrote:



Well. You don't know how many scum are where. What if an entire house is scum? Surely you play to our win con - find and kill scum scum. These items imply that they will be nothing but helpful in doing so. If you know you are town, why would you not want something beneficial to use to help our victory, especially doing something as simple as googling a pick up line. What is the DOWNSIDE to not participating?

On October 18 2013 08:56 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
There is a growing trend of "this guy might look bad here in thread but he looks good in house QT". I hate that. Same thing happened in GoT where people "cleared" other people by their contributions in house QT's. Easy for scum to call people out even if they look town in QT's, people need to post in thread and look town. ffs.

-rayn

On October 18 2013 11:03 EchelonTee wrote:
Looks like I misread the deadline and will have plenty of time to analyze things. Will be home and in it in around 4 hours.

@pandain I stated that people should spend more time in thread than in QT and articulated my reasoning behind this with examples and logic; and your response is that this is "bad". Really. If you have more reasoning behind your view then by all means argue with me, but calling me red for this is just laughable. You making me out to be afraid to talk to a small enclosed group is absolutely hilarious btw; if I was scum I would love to mess with the minds of a small group. Just ask Mattchew about when I got him to completely out his role, Palmar's role, and what their actions were going to be. Or when I convinced Meapak_Ziphh I was town and got him to share with me all of town's votes.

Whether I'm town or scum I argue with people who come at me with terrible logic; read my past games and you'll see. Besides, your logic here is absolutely terrible. There is no "confirming" a QT; even with detective type classes there are always framers and the like. Even with deaths in a house, you can't confirm if the rest are town or not. Your continued comments on me as a suspect with this weak-as-hell basis is disturbing, to say the least.


This is a fucking Harry Potter themed game. If we're all squibs then I should've just signed up for competitive tic-tac-toe.

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Why has no one commented on my Onegu case? He's gone completely black since posting 3 weakass posts and hasn't even responded to me. Screams scum much more than anyone else at this point; putting my vote on him.

Will make deeper analysis when I'm back.

##Vote: Onegu

On October 18 2013 11:41 Holyflare wrote:
@ET: Your case relied upon him apologising a lot, however, all you have to do is check the TL mafia database and look at his previous games.

I have checked almost all of them and then did a ctrl+f search for "sorry", it appears in EVERY game many times. So I do not think it is alignment indicative for Onegu, especially to base a whole case off of.

+ Show Spoiler [Onegu] +

However, since that case, Onegu has indeed not posted much and so I'll probably add him to my Palmar/Stutters/Sn0 lynchables for now.


What I do actually want to point out though is:

+ Show Spoiler +

On October 18 2013 17:25 EchelonTee wrote:
Is anyone else having trouble with house QT? I can't access slytherin atm

On October 18 2013 18:26 I-be-Pro wrote:
@Onegu
that doesn't really make sense to me.

Also how can someone backpaddle from a slip into speculation? Is it a slip or is it not?

On October 18 2013 18:36 I-be-Pro wrote:

how does a scum know more about this set-up being heavily themed or not? How can it be impossible or at least unlikely for a townie to know that? I'm pretty sure it is heavily themed because it said so in the OP and simply due to the retarded role I got.

On October 18 2013 21:44 Mattchew wrote:
Yeah w.e i should have listened to everyone early last game too

##unvote
##vote sn0_man

On October 19 2013 20:57 Mattchew wrote:
Onegu i was sheeping

On October 20 2013 05:20 Skanjab1s wrote:
Cool.

Who is LA's mason partner?

On October 20 2013 13:50 Sn0_Man wrote:
We could also lynch losers like onegu and stutters who won't post...

Tho i wish cephiro wouldn't go back to "lol posting is for noobs" that almost got him lynched yesterday. Is he in the QT at all?

On October 21 2013 03:00 Holyflare wrote:


If there isn't a framer it is either Hopeless for not contributing the entire first day in our QT and then activity spiking when storr made a cop claim, mattchew for reasons stated earlier although I'm leaning less on him due to responses he's said in the QT or grack because nobody really has a read on him other than his "carefree attitude".

On October 19 2013 04:46 Holyflare wrote:
I would be comfortable with a mattchew vote, he was soft defending Cephiro even before he posted that list.

Here:

here:

and here:


He also voted for sn0 and yet again soft defended him too, while asking other people if they thought it would be alright:








I've never played with him but he hasn't really contributed anything that I think is good. His soft defences and wanting advice from another player (who could well be scum) is also scummy to me. He has also been buddying up with other people during the game.

On October 19 2013 04:52 Holyflare wrote:


That's baseless. If he was scum he'd know Ceph's alignment. Begging to make him reveal his role not only reveals a potential role that scum could get rid off but gives Matt credit for trying to save a towny.

On October 21 2013 05:43 raynpelikonoshi wrote:

Being wrong is okay. Giving a townread on people who you shoult think are scummy is not, and vice versa.
Can anyone say they did think ET was town? Anyone?

Someone asked about yamato. I have no idea what he is because i have not been here much after the first half of D1 and do not remember any of his posts after that. I thought he was town at the start of the game. Not a good lynch for today.

-rayn

On October 21 2013 08:51 Mattchew wrote:
koshi is bad. if you listen to koshi, town will lose

On October 21 2013 23:47 StorrZerg wrote:



Back off Mattchew this day... I'm getting really tired of your tunneling... I will fight tooth and nail to make sure he isn't lynched today, So just stop, he isn't worth your time today. We have far more pressing concerns this game than Matt.

On October 22 2013 00:32 Sn0_Man wrote:

Those 2 are masoned

On October 22 2013 00:40 raynpelikonoshi wrote:

You know what would be protown?
REMOVING DOUBT FROM EACH OTHER IN THIS THREAD.

Like why would you 2 not give the exact reason why you have such strong townreads on each other so the rest of the thread can remove you 2 from the suspect pool? Why the fuck?
How is that keeping a secret protown? You 2 even already roleclaimed so there is litterally no reason at all.

Now I know again why I think both of you are scum.

On October 23 2013 01:02 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
syllogism: Have yamato/CR and Onegu interacted with each other in your house QT?

-rayn

On October 23 2013 01:08 Mocsta wrote:

If Yamato is then town; does this make Skanjab look better, worse, or indifferent?

On October 18 2013 03:04 Grackaroni wrote:

what a dumb question lol.

On October 23 2013 01:17 Mocsta wrote:

I thought you already looked at mattchew, which is why i said Grack. Carry on however you see fit.

On October 23 2013 01:57 Sn0_Man wrote:
Onegu's town due to EchelonTee interactions early if nothing else. Theres also no way he's VT (Considering power-role distributions throughout houses so far and CR claimed VT already).

On October 23 2013 02:12 Grackaroni wrote:

I said that because I thought it was dumb that he was going to try to use role pms for his scumhunting.

On October 23 2013 03:01 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
But still nobody in Hufflepuff can tell us why they have townreads on each other. Except for "because" and "active".
And now it seems Grack (and I guess that means HufflePuff, unless the 600 posts in the QT are about birds and bees) has scumreads on everybody outside his house except for JAT, BH and Snowman.


Impressive House. Impressive.

On October 23 2013 23:19 syllogism wrote:
I drank the potion and it works exactly as described

On October 23 2013 23:29 Skanjab1s wrote:
Why are we lynching Cephiro now?

On October 24 2013 00:00 raynpelikonoshi wrote:

JAT claims to have shot LoneMeow. There is no CC.
So it's Cephiro or raynko.

Lynching into Hufflepuff is silly atm. Imo the cop is scum or Cephiro is scum.

On October 24 2013 04:36 Cephiro wrote:


^ Onegu, answers please.

On October 24 2013 13:44 Mocsta wrote:
Then as bh said. Both are town.

No one has cc'd jat so he is confirmed.

Hmmm only thing going for onegu is that et pushed him. I'm going to have to review this.. onegu was scum in the desert game with marv right??
The et/onegu thong could be lime stutters pushing kush in noir. Real case cos it was real.

I give that a quick read. Maybe onegu is the best lynch for today.

On October 25 2013 03:57 Cephiro wrote:


CLAIM RIGHT NOW!

On October 25 2013 00:06 Cephiro wrote:


Fighting against releasing house lists. At this point in the game, there are 3 flipped scum in different houses, which means the only one it benefits is scum. As I proved earlier in the game by statistics, it is also very unlikely (~9%), that scum would not have this information. He was trying to prevent others from gaining information he already has as scum.

Onegu also constantly apologises, which is something some players consider a scumtell. (For me personally, I don't completely agree on that.)



This post on ET. If you check Pandain's filter at start, he was always having a go at ET. It looks to me like it was agreed upon in the scum QT that ET would be someone the majority could buss and gain towncred from.



Wants to make a case on Mattchew, but he never makes one, although he ends up voting for him without proper reasoning.



Could be considered as trying to fish for more information about the check. (Maybe there are two scum in hufflepuff? Although unlikely.)



This a great post. 3 town targets to easily choose from, pick the afk-medic. (Not saying they knew it at this point, but it is a possibility.)

These are his amazing filter reading skills:


into



Conviniently enough, he never even follows up with a one-liner of his skanjabs opinion. Maybe because they are scumbuddies?



He never mentions who this another flip is, or why it would affect his read on skanjab1s. He's just not interested in lynching scum.



Funny yes. That's exactly what he did, he bussed ET.



More fire on BH, as well as stupid theories for the modkills. It's like he wants to distract attention from the one scum remaining in hufflepuff. (Holyflare?)



^ Can syllo confirm this?

He posts a lot to chime his opinion in, but he's not actively working towards anything. Add that he seems to have a role with powers which he hasn't claimed, I just can't find anything about this guy pushing a pro-town motive. It's more like "I'm quietly here, chiming in my opinion sometimes, keep ignoring me."

On October 25 2013 05:46 justanothertownie wrote:

No.

On October 25 2013 06:03 justanothertownie wrote:
So, I already said my role included luck. In fact I get a random role (there is a certain "pool" of possible roles) every night. N1 I got vig role N2 I was immune to night actions (that's why I certainly was not checked by the cop). I think he received the result "1 scum" instead of X scum + Y town because hosts didn't know how to include me who didn't get checked at all.
Guess what I got this time? The same as yesterday...
So docs don't save me. It won't even work and it is also not needed because scum can't kill me anyways.

On October 22 2013 04:49 Stutters695 wrote:

No, but I value trusting a confirmed towns judgement over getting mislynched when I haven't had time to catch up on everyone yet.

Since I'm at work and I might not get another post in before the deadline:

If I get lynched, sorry my play was bad.

Ceph is anti-town and should die.

If BH isn't shot/makes a confirmed save/gets a confirmed save on him, murder the shit out of him. Town BH wouldn't RNG a save over picking someone with a proven town record imo and if memory serves, a trolling BH is a scum BH.

On October 25 2013 15:17 Mocsta wrote:
So either way jat is sk u say.

Where is the shot from last night?

I do say I find it odd it took him so long to claim the kill.

On October 25 2013 15:48 Holyflare wrote:
Nvm, no wonder I couldn't find it. Storr's said it. Either way, his house check only shows town and mafia, it doesn't say anything about bad guys so I'm not sure about a 3p. If nobody claimed against JAT then he has to be vig, he just wouldn't (couldn't?) shoot his team mate.

Actually... are scum allowed to shoot each other with powers? Would be a bit of an op cover.

On October 25 2013 15:53 Mocsta wrote:

Seriously. Stop this.

The checks can be tampered. I am self aware miller after all.

I already suspect chairman of being godfather as well, another tamper.


The red check in gryff could be
Mafia check
3p check
Framer
Unaware miller
Host fuck up.... It's been done before

......
If you want to say jat is anti town, I won't stop you. However you need a case.

Yes it is interesting jat did not want to claim
Yes it is interesting apparently he is invulnerable

However the leap to a conclusion of anti town is a gap I can't jump without further substantiation

Chairman needs the be lynched next cycle full stop.

On October 25 2013 16:41 justanothertownie wrote:

Is there any reason why you are so sure I am SK? Wtf. How is this in any way logical? I shot scum N1 - there were NO shots N2. You really think it is more likely I am SK who hold his shot (as far as I know this is impossible usually) or that both scum AND SK shots were saved rather than that I simply am what I say I am?

Indeed.

Thank you.

You aren't making any sense. I was night immune yesterday, yes. SO WHY THE FUCK WOULD I APPEAR AS A REDCHECK EVEN IF I WAS SK?
Maybe you should start using your brain sometime.

On October 25 2013 16:36 Holyflare wrote:
Also skan and onegu are the only ones not to have claimed a role.

On October 25 2013 22:01 syllogism wrote:
Sn0 I think you should protect JAT, BH should protect Sn0 and Mocsta should either RB one out of holyflare/skan/grack or self-protect. Limiting mafia NK options is right now more important than attempting to block them.

On October 25 2013 06:03 justanothertownie wrote:
So, I already said my role included luck. In fact I get a random role (there is a certain "pool" of possible roles) every night. N1 I got vig role N2 I was immune to night actions (that's why I certainly was not checked by the cop). I think he received the result "1 scum" instead of X scum + Y town because hosts didn't know how to include me who didn't get checked at all.
Guess what I got this time? The same as yesterday...
So docs don't save me. It won't even work and it is also not needed because scum can't kill me anyways.

On October 26 2013 00:07 Sn0_Man wrote:
dis game suxors
I know you guys all told me who to protect but i'll figure out something myself ty.
+ Show Spoiler +

On October 27 2013 01:29 Grackaroni wrote:
And HF still hasn't used his secret vote...

On October 27 2013 01:52 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Hmm. I am feeling BH being scum as well.

With CR/BH/Holyflare there is no bussing going on.

But with our luck

It could be Skan/BH/Holyflare as well.

Or even worse something with Grack.

On October 28 2013 05:02 Blazinghand wrote:
._. who else is in RC besides CR?

On October 28 2013 15:17 Mocsta wrote:

Im undecided on where Onegu fits. Like I said before, in PM land he can come out as incredibly townie - so I can see why you would think he is town. I am not a fan of how HolyFlare has tried to discredit that, nor how he has insinuated ET made an intentionally bad case (which I disagree with).

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Re-reading up to 3/4 of Day1. I am certain Hopeless1der is scum.

His posting comes at opportunistic intervals,
He gives out too many town reads, when he is under the gun,
His pushing of policy lynch
Pandain stepping out to protect Hopeless1der without pushing another person
Pandain stating that Hopeless1der was a top early contributor - which Toad instantly disagreed with

Past 3/4 day1 (from memory)
Has blended in the thread, i can't recall him pushing anything
His abilities are not alignment indicative
His use of potion on me is terrible; as is his explanation. (My abilities are bad for him).. why does this matter if he is town, and I am town?

Hopeless1der needs to be lynched.

On October 28 2013 15:27 raynpelikonoshi wrote:

Better question is why would he do that as scum?

On October 28 2013 16:15 Skanjab1s wrote:


If this turns out to be a serious scumslip im going to shit my pants with laughter

On October 28 2013 16:17 Onegu wrote:



How is that a scumslip I flip vet syllo is innocent child, thus there is a framer....

On October 28 2013 23:22 Mocsta wrote:

house check wasnt on ravenclaw......

On October 26 2013 05:14 justanothertownie wrote:
Anyone interested in my check? 1 scum in Ravenclaw it says.

On October 28 2013 23:28 Mocsta wrote:
are you fucking serious..,

so you believe town have two medics?

On October 28 2013 23:30 Mocsta wrote:

ahh right. I forgot about that, thnx


onegu, where do u stand with grack, rayn, ' holy?

On October 28 2013 23:50 Mocsta wrote:
so that's 2 scum, whose #3 again?

On October 29 2013 00:30 Holyflare wrote:


He selectively picks and chooses when to believe cop checks or not, his top scum read was mattchew day 1 who i literally made a case on to get lynched, his next read after that was me and bh. So he has a scum read on me despite me actively 'bussing' 2 scum? There is just no real content... Just him saying he's read things. Can't really get into meta even though I love it, not got the time to quote enough on phone. Cephiro made a good case on him and there is a red check on ravenclaw, why would they frame onegu WHO THEY WERE SHOOTING?????



He's ok bussing team mates (hence the bh 'scum reads') why even mention this if he is town or scum? It's not very relevant to point out as either alignment.

On October 29 2013 00:37 Holyflare wrote:
Glad that's the only point you mention. There were no house or cop checks left. If they were to frame anyone they would frame themselves just in case, to avoid suspicion, why would they need to frame ray who was an easy free lynch from thread sentiment the next day?

On October 29 2013 00:45 Holyflare wrote:
If there were cop checks they would have definitely been used on cephiro as he was the obvious lynch the day before and had the "really towny power" but there weren't. There was no mention of an actual cop this entire game, apart from one of hopeless' potions that he used n toad. So why would they frame a guy instead of saving themselves?

On October 29 2013 00:48 Holyflare wrote:
Quite clearly half of your scum reads were because of the hufflepuff check, seeing as you think a framer is now involved in the game but you didn't think that before, why have your scum reads not changed over the course of the game? If you got shot and ray flipped town then isn't it a town motive to question everything that has happened so far? Everything you think was right just got flipped upside diwn but you're still adamant about your reads that it just doesn't add up.

On October 29 2013 00:55 Holyflare wrote:
You only found that out today, you had no reason to believe that was the case.

On October 29 2013 01:02 Holyflare wrote:
The only joat was mocsta who revealed his powers and hopeless who also needs to give the potions/might be scum. Syllo only revealed today, jat was only vig till today, so no, how could they know that?

On October 29 2013 01:09 Sn0_Man wrote:
Wait, did Onegu get hit-notified? I think i missed that.

On October 29 2013 01:05 Onegu wrote:



Wtf are you talking about. Day 3 we knew syllo could be a watcher and innocent child, JaT could vigi, and become immune, by night 3 he full claimed before deadline into a random role everynight, plus mocstas claim and hopelesses potions. The thread knew all of this before deadline the night I was shot.

On October 25 2013 06:03 justanothertownie wrote:
So, I already said my role included luck. In fact I get a random role (there is a certain "pool" of possible roles) every night. N1 I got vig role N2 I was immune to night actions (that's why I certainly was not checked by the cop). I think he received the result "1 scum" instead of X scum + Y town because hosts didn't know how to include me who didn't get checked at all.
Guess what I got this time? The same as yesterday...
So docs don't save me. It won't even work and it is also not needed because scum can't kill me anyways.

On October 29 2013 02:20 Holyflare wrote:
The point is, mafia wouldn't know how many uses it has or when he could use it. Why would they risk even going to syllo's house to frame??

On October 29 2013 03:08 Sn0_Man wrote:
You know, having medic plus vet plus medic plus mocsta claims to have a "hide" plus "hide" potion ALL ON TOWN seems pretty illegit.

On October 29 2013 03:18 Sn0_Man wrote:
U sound like scum trying to justify ur loss or something.

On October 29 2013 21:34 Hopeless1der wrote:
I would say BH is fully aware that he shouldnt be posting that stuff. I recall a post of his from WhoseLine a while back where the endgame held this post:

I dont remember the context exactly but that BH would lynch our BH. Not because of the emotional posts, but because he's really scummy looking.

On October 29 2013 22:46 Mocsta wrote:

Im not sure why BH isnt automatic for you? I thought HF has said that you have been mildly suspicious of him all game?

On October 29 2013 23:21 Onegu wrote:
So skanjab scum slipped, when HF asked if KP was factional hosts said closed setup right?

On October 31 2013 12:58 Skanjab1s wrote:
rayn has given me reason to think that he is town, whereas you have not.

On October 30 2013 17:45 Mocsta wrote:
I just finished Onegu filter:

I disagree with Holyflare saying Onegu was unjustified on Mattchew.
The reasoning exists: Storr voted Sn0. Matt votes Storr; then Matt votes Sn0 --> the classic vote your scum reads, scum read.

That aside: I have some peculiarities with Onegu that I can reconcile

Namely

(1) Power
The phrasing suggests the power must be "ACTIVATED"

Now his power is passive (as phrased by him).
I find this highly misleading. Given that he was one of the last to claim, the misleading factor of this is highly suspicious.

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(2) JAT


becomes



becomes:


This attitude makes no sense. How do you go from JAT is 'OK" to lynch him, and then back to "OK yeah then" ?

The kicker:


This sequence of thought process makes zero sense.

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(3) Skanjab

into

As stated by Cephiro previously: Onegu does not follow up with this promise to read Skanjab.
I believe Onegu response was:
Basd on the format of the reply its hard to ascertain if this was indeed the retort. Contextually it makes sense.
This is the only reference to Skanjab in that time.
Alarm bells are now ringing

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Onegu replies with:

I have several problems with this.

Firstly,
"Better but there is another flip that if I saw I would give him a scum read. Talk about it after the resolution period. But unless both thos people flip tonight Im not interested in lynching him now."
We know Yam is town; so in essence he is stating that Skanjab becomes town. How does this even make sense? Theres no reasoning behind this, and in my opinion Yam being town makes Skanjab look scummier as this is his only contribution (other than a case on Sn0

Secondly,
"The other flip was BH as I thought one was scum but not both if BH flipped town then skan was scum. After the house check in griffendor I have revised this theory."
The theory is that one of {BH, Skanjab} is scum... again... we expect BH to flip town.. Skanjab now becomes town.
Further to this; Onegu states explictly in point 6. that he expects BH to be scum.

No matter what occurs in this situation, Skanjab is a town read for Onegu. A false dilemna indeed.

So who is Onegu voting for?

I get the thread is voting for Cephiro and he is following the check on Gryffndor; but the above is simply not congruent with his vote behaviour.

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I believe scum is {Onegu, Skanjab, Blazinghand}

On October 31 2013 23:30 Onegu wrote:
How is that not a scumclaim by skanjabs? BH is mafia with a ability that isnt very strong while skanjabs is strong so they pull off shennigans to make it look like they arent a scum team and make sure if one of them is going to get polyjuiced the one with the weaker power gets polyjuiced.

On November 01 2013 04:23 Blazinghand wrote:
I'm actually surprisingly ok with getting shot. I mean yeah I'm kind of mad but I'm guessing I'd get lynched after Skan for some stupid reason like "skan and bh set the whole squib thing up behind the scenes" or something. At least this way I'm done with this and people will lynch skan

On November 01 2013 23:04 justanothertownie wrote:
I say this is the way we do it if necessary: skanjab>onegu>rayn

On November 03 2013 05:01 syllogism wrote:
One of the reasons for ignoring Onegu was that he was largely supportive of mafia lynches and HF bussing Onegu in that situation made little sense as we thought the only way for mafia to win was to gain control of the lynch.

On November 03 2013 04:26 justanothertownie wrote:
If Onegu had the third deathly hallow killing me would have won him the game. If I wasn't shot and he had it I would have won.

On November 04 2013 01:48 StorrZerg wrote:
Why did mafia throw a kp at me knowing i wouldn't die? since i got the bonus +.5

On November 04 2013 02:33 justanothertownie wrote:
But what reason was there to tell them if they can't save me anyways? Also scum didn't knew I had the cloak also so I thought if I kept that hidden there was at least a possibility that you don't shoot me because I was a good doc/redirect target.

On November 04 2013 02:41 syllogism wrote:

Right, but since it was impossible for mafia to win in any other way, it's reasonable to assume that they are. No one else was talking about deathly hallows, so a townie probably didn't have them.

On November 04 2013 02:44 justanothertownie wrote:

Yeah, no nightkills right?

On November 04 2013 02:50 Hopeless1der wrote:
Oh I also didn't bring up the stone because I was supposed to live an extra 24 hours, but hosts made an error. If/when I died I was going to reveal it. I had no way to get the other hallows so it wasn't worth bringing up in my opinion.

Side note id tried to cop check onegu the night I died. No idea how that would have turned out.

On November 04 2013 02:54 justanothertownie wrote:

Actually that means Onegu shouldn't even have had the Stone last night according to the post game discussion so he couldn't have won anyways.

On November 04 2013 04:36 Hopeless1der wrote:
You make a good point super, but look how stacked this game was in terms of player skill. You, syllo, Marv, palmar, yamato, toad, all generally considered "vets". Compare that to the scumteam and I can completely understand why they tried to make the big plays to cripple town.

Having seen all their roles, I definitely think bluesniping should have been a higher priority for them, but goddamn this town lineup was something to fear.