EPTNot slyherin, not slytherin...
"But that is where all the greatest scum lurk."
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Not slyherin, not slytherin... "But that is where all the greatest scum lurk." Go slytherin, go slytherin... | ||
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Clearly edited posts due to a scumslip when it's not even allowed. Have you somehow infiltrated yourself into some other house than the great Slytherin? Yes, this is a blatant bus. Wait.... Will the Houses have their own QuickTopics? How will the voting for using the item be done? | ||
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K-pop is better than sex and I could die happy if I got a cute, cheerful Korean waifu. Okay, so yeah. There have been all kinds of claims about me and my participation in the QT, some more close to the truth, and some intentionally painting me in the worst manner possible. I want to clear that up, but I'll try to keep it short. Basically, today morning I made a short post with random fluff about my own life as the most content, with two points that can be considered relevant.
Simply put, as someone that studies statistics, I ran quick calculations and the chances of mafia knowing in which house each player resides is as high as ~91%. I mistakenly worded this the wrong way around in the QT (due to not having slept), which I'm sure everyone in the QT understood. Long story short, in my opinion the chances of mafia already having that information were high enough to basically guarantee that, and if town has the same possibility of gaining that information, they should. There may be roles that become more or less powerful with this information revealed, but I do not expect it to be substantial enough for it to be hidden. And after I made my thoughts clear, the houses and their players are all revealed, so this is mostly meaningless. I wanted to share this so you would know what I had posted, in the name of honesty, and possibly giving someone ideas to go by. The "additional posts" after that were mainly me raging since I got pissed off at mostly rayn, the way my actions were shared to the thread. The reason I originally didn't also post that short snippet of information I did earlier was that I didn't consider it very important, as well as I wanted to start the game with a proper, contentful post that other players could actually find useful, rather than random sleepy-as-fuck-thoughts. Also I've noticed recently that a bad start seems to haunt you way too easily for the whole duration for the game, thus I didn't want to handicap myself to begin with. This however didn't end up happening due to the actions of other housemates of mine, so I will have to live with that and make the best out of this entry of mine. In my apology-post in the QT after I had raged before I went for a k-pop pause, I also had a very short speculation about the setup. To share it with everyone, I basically thought due to the reactions of several other people talking about their roles and the setup, and knowing mine, that the setup is most likely completely pre-arranged. (Note: These are assumptions.) Such as: Draco Malfoy is always in Slytherin. Or, Hermione Granger is always town. This is not something worth looking into in my opinion, I was merely posting my thoughts out. As for why I don't consider it important, if I hosted a game myself I'd make sure that any role could be any alignment, simply to avoid "meta-gaming the hosts", since I believe that defeats the purpose of the game. And I find it likely even if most of the setup was made in a traditional, true to flavor manner, some side character at least would have a twist. In any case, end of beginning rant. E: Re-checking what I remembered, the rules state the mafia has been randomly distributed, which would make this speculation useless, unless you consider the possibility that hosts are lying to keep the option open even if it wasn't for balance reasons. Now for the players. After reading through the thread again slowly with a k-pop calmed mind I have come to the following opinions and conclusions: Mattchew: + Show Spoiler + On October 17 2013 08:35 Mattchew wrote: a lot of soft accusations being thrown at Skanjab1s and dont we always have to lynch the self aware miller or is that some other weird role? Useless observation, then a lynch poke in form of a question like he's unsure about it? Doesn't follow through later. His whole thread contribution is nonexistant so far. What I see is a completely random jump in out of nowhere, to try and buddy yamato. He notices that though, and things go nowhere. On October 17 2013 10:52 Mattchew wrote: i didnt like this "lol", i thought it looked pretty weak Like really, what is the purpose of posts like this? What I find interesting is that he follows up with a "long" post where he responds to each accusation made against him... incredibly poorly. It doesn't even look like a defense to any extent. At the moment I'm leaning scum mostly since I'd expect more of him, rather than a completely useless, null filter. He hasn't really been pushing a pro-scum agenda or anything, but what ticks me off is the complete lack of anything pro-town. StorrZerg: + Show Spoiler + The definition of useless. All he has done in this game is to show up at a few random times to remind everyone that "I think Sn0_Man should die." And this ONLY post where he provides any kind of "content", is hilariously horrible. I'm not sure if he's even trying. It looks more like complete trolling, which is something we do not need. I mean really, check this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=431052¤tpage=41#814 3 Arguments which of 1st: Some random shit about flavour 2nd: A post read weird to him -> He checks post history -> Thinks it doesn't line up. This sounds like completely pulled from the ass, especially showing no example. 3rd: Lack of activity, which I can agree with. Not necessarily a scumtell though. What I wonder is why he chose to concentrate on Sn0_Man, when there are lots of players that have put out more content and can be made better reads on. It could be a case of bad town makes case on inactive town but... I have my doubts, since he has at no point in the game shown interest in anything else. Palmar: + Show Spoiler + As others have seem to noticed, he is completely fixated on Mocsta's self-aware miller claim. On October 18 2013 05:39 Palmar wrote: Nope, no current scum reads. What Mocsta did is only beneficial to him if he's scum, it's bad and awful for him if he's town. That doesn't mean he must be scum, I've seen enough people do dumb stuff as town. Which is precisely why I want to know what was his intention with the claim. He claims to have no scumreads at all, and he also hints at not having read the thread. Does not provide reasoning for possibly not having two. Doesn't appear to give a fuck about anything else but trying to figure out Mocsta's reasoning for the claim. What I am wondering, does Palmar really think he can't contribute in a better way with all the other content available? We have QTs and we have the thread which grows all the time. I wouldn't mind seeing him lynched. syllogism: + Show Spoiler + On October 17 2013 14:33 syllogism wrote: I wouldn't bother with the statistical probability of there being mafia in only two houses. It's almost certain that roles have abilities that at least somewhat match their flavor and they were designed before their houses were RNGed. That is to say, mafia characters and roles were designed before any RNG and therefore their houses were not chosen randomly. Even if mafia has fake claims the same thing applies; the fake claims must match their house flavors and it seems very unlikely that those fake claims were designed after players were shuffled. All this is quite useless at this stage, but may have some utility in the end game if the game is close. On October 04 2013 05:58 You-Know-Who wrote: Each player is sorted into a house. Each house has 6 players. Players in the same house will be able to share a house QT. Mafia have been randomly distributed into each house. Mafia KP is # of scum/3 rounded up. 4 - 6 scum= 2KP 3 or less scum= 1KP What ticked me off a little about syllos play is this. The rules say that mafia has been randomly distributed into each house. That pretty much completely debunks his posts. I don't say statistics is something that should be trusted completely on, but given a 90%+ chance I think it's quite reasonable to factor in. It's not even close to a coinflip situation, so it's a fair assumption to make that the mafia has the information. I admit I made the same mistake at first until I rechecked the ruleset about this, but what I don't like either is the way he undermines his own post. If you feel it is quite useless at this stage, why share it? Or did he share just for the sake of sharing his thoughts, or does he actually believe this information may be useful in the end-game but not now? On October 17 2013 15:27 syllogism wrote: Do you genuinely think this is a list of "very good observations"? The only actual "observation" of any note and utility is the first one and I would like you to elaborate on that a bit. Did you believe he was playing his Thug Life playstyle when I initially asked as to why you thought he was "pretty obviously" town or was that based on something else? In this post he shares the Gryffindor members which hadn't been done up till that point. I fail to see how that is irrelevant to share with others. Syllo also completely disregards the last point about StorrZerg, which was very valid in my opinion. The usefulness of Pandain's statements can be argued, but in my opinion it's certainly more than syllo gives credit for. In general, syllos posts seem very calm and analytical. They get straight to the point and have anything unnecessary stripped of them. While this could be very good town play, I feel that these are carefully worded posts that leave anything that could be considered from a scum perspective out. This is partly since his posting gives me the feel of someone stating his opinions in many things, but it doesn't seem like he is actually trying to figure anything out. 4 other people I am suspicious of and will make small cases on unless I change my read strongly: rayko (rayn+Koshi) holyflare skanjab1s Vayne Also... I'm looking for smart lovers. Post your application ASAP. I know you can't resist my charm. It is the theme of the game after all. <3 | ||
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I'm getting tired of this shit, it's like if I don't post every 5 minutes like in some games I previously have I'm scum. Well, at least you'll perhaps finally understand not to meta me. Go ahead and lynch one of the main characters. -_- | ||
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On October 19 2013 03:27 raynpelikonoshi wrote: See, that's the same Shiaopi said when we lynched him in Thug Mafia. But we are not lynching only on meta, but also on you being 1500% useless on top of that. See at least you can try and remove the useless part. 1500% useless? Yeah, I try to post once and all I do is get shit for not having posted a thousand times. Not like your one-liners are any better. Motivates me a fuckton when there were several others doing jack shit, but if I don't have the time to post every 5 minutes I'm scum. That's the worst meta shit ever. At the moment I'm sorry to the hosts but I really don't give a flying fuck about trying to defend myself against random bs. I haven't read all the new pages yet but I assume it's some more "his post looks constructed or similar to noir, must be scum" bs. I wish it wasn't against the spirit of the game but I really feel like signing up for every game possible, posting only once a day as town until you guys realize that's not "metagaming". | ||
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On October 18 2013 20:47 Palmar wrote: Reposting for format. No, I would never say anything dumb like that. Here is why claiming SAM is incredibly mafia favored. A single cop checking randomly has a 1/22 (24 - himself - lynchee) chance of checking you on night 1, that's 4.5% chance. The chance slowly goes up throughout the game, but only in the absolute far late game does there exist a significant chance a SAM exists. We don't know if there is a SAM in this game. If the setup was open there'd be an argument for claiming, in fact in a completely open game a SAM is a power role. However in a closed setup, there is no point in claiming it. Optimal play would be to simply play well enough so cops wouldn't even think about checking you. The fact that you claimed means for some reason you yourself believe that you will be unable to keep yourself out of the red-ish zone for this game. I'm not sure if this is lack of confidence in your own play, or if this is because you're scum. But I see no reason to play sub-optimally as town. As mafia, the benefits of claiming SAM are amazing, it basically neutralizes the cop against one of your team. You're taking a weapon away from the town. You'll still be analyzed as before, but you can never be attacked as scum through a check. This also means the chance of hitting mafia goes down from 6/22 (27,2%) on the first night to 5/21 (23,8%) for a cop. This benefit becomes even more important if the mafia has a godfather (5/22 to 4/21). So the question remains, why are you afraid of a cop check? There's an entire team of mafia players whose goal is to play towny enough to not get checked, and they have to do it with the burden of knowledge and the inherent scummyness that leads to mafia lynches all the time anyway, a miller would be completely free of those things, and yet doesn't have the balls to avoid a cop check with good play? ##Vote Mocsta Like really, people tunnel on crap like this and I'm up for lynch? Yeah. Go scum, you can just post whatever you want as long as you do it often, people won't care. Mafia claiming as SAM has "amazing" benefits? A whopping 3.4% reduction in chance of being hit by cop? Amazing. Marvellous. Incredible. Palmar makes it look like the only reason for Mocsta claiming is due to being "afraid of being cop checked." Well guess what. If you were framed for murder irl and you knew it, would you not be afraid of the cops coming to your door, given you are one of the suspects? (Comparison to being one of the players in the game.) Ooh. Shit. Seems like honesty in this world isn't appriciated at all. How likely do you consider someone talking themselves out of being lynched claiming self-aware miller AFTER a redcheck? Yeah. Not very. | ||
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On October 19 2013 03:39 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Cephiro i would be okay if you participated in the discussions going on in thread instead of making one big fluff post that says 90% nothing at all. Instead you decide to dedicate the time you have into throwing shit at us on house QT for voting for you. That's not townie behavior. At all. -rayn It's only "one big fluff post", because you have decided to paint it that way before you've even read it. THAT is not townie behavior. At all. How have I dedicated time throwing shit at you in house qt instead? I haven't posted anything except telling you way to go once I came back and saw I'm up for lynch. Means I haven't posted after my initial annoyment at you, thus making your statement FALSE. But yeah, you can go ahead and re-paint more green to red and everyone will be happy. As long as you remind everyone that you're doing it constantly. | ||
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On October 19 2013 03:44 Holyflare wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=431052¤tpage=45#895 The posts before and after this are the reasons I will be voting Cephiro. For the points I brought up, they still stand. Why would he post so much in a QT that may be heavily influenced with scum when he has an entire thread he could be bouncing these ideas off? His original post pretty much listed half the thread as extra scum reads that were not further elaborated on in the thread despite saying that he would. 1. This guy has no idea what and how much I have posted in the QT. I have posted very little in the QT, which of most were the rage posts directed mainly at rayn. But for some reason, this is still a valid scumtell. Because guis, I posted so freaking much in the QT. SO MUCH. I POSTED THERE EVERY TIME YOU BLINKED AN EYE. And hey, guess what. THE QT MIGHT BE HEAVILY INFLUENCED WITH SCUM???? No FUCKING SHIT. Guess what, this thread has a whopping 6 SCUM PLAYERS IN IT. WE ARE ALL BEING INFLUENCED BY SCUM?!?!? 4 small cases + 4 small suspicions = "Half the thread" 8/24 = 25% at most. Yeah. Fuck this. | ||
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On October 19 2013 03:46 LastArgument wrote: Cephiro, 3 questions. Do you think with one post you demonstrated to town that you care about finding a lynch? Do you think we should be able to read you as town from your one post? Is it unreasonable for town to find someone suspicious who doesn't care or is involved with town? If the answer to any of these questions is No, you need to stop ranting and look and push for a good lynch The thing is, as far as I know, we're playing Mafia, not "Post-the-most". I think I did a fairly reasonable post that can be seen as a genuine town interest in the game. I explained my own opinions, statements and behavior, as well as gave some reads and reasoning to them. I do agree the less content to go by, the harder it is to read. But I also think that little, contentful posts are better than constantly posting useless fluff. But it seems that someone wanted to paint it as fluff, and what would be easier for scum after seeing a good post to just ignore it completely, claiming it as fluff = Leaving that person looking like he has done nothing at all. | ||
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I will try to reply calmly after that, and tell you who I want to lynch and why (but it will be short, as we are short on time.) 1) People claiming that the cases on me have nothing to do with meta are blatant lies. 2) I genuinely love K-pop, I don't understand why an innocent remark of such is considered fabricated. You can ask anyone in the gryffindor QT, I also posted about k-pop there, and they can confirm it. (But I doubt rayn for example would even want to, he's happy to paint me as scum as is.) 3) I know that one post is not enough contribution no matter how great it is. I'm just tired of trying to play from behind. (Meaning, I get accused and since I'm the type that doesn't ignore accusations, I end up wasting all my time defending myself instead of hunting for scum. This is something scum may know and may abuse, but it's my personality and I'm not going to just disregard someone's suspicions on me if I am town.) | ||
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I'm sad that established TL-players are so confident in their "meta-gaming skills". Maybe they'll learn one day. Maybe. I remember being sad about it over a year ago when I went to the army. I guess things don't change that much. Someone asked me about my opinion on the Sn0_Man lynch, I personally think it's a mislynch. The flaws in his play are that he hasn't been very committal nor active at scumhunting, but the way he responds to pressure and says his opinions make me think he's town. As well as the fact that even though he is on my wagon, he doesn't seem to be very content with it. (Of course a townie has to put his vote somewhere, and scum pushed me up well enough to not leave many other options.) It seems like players haven't even considered other options properly. Someone suggested I should die, painted me to look a little worse than what I really am due to my lack of activity, and boom, case closed. Train full speed ahead. Gonna post all my reads now since I'm not very positive about myself surviving. Even though I am a main character, I don't consider my role extremely powerful, so maybe a worse mislynch may get prevented if anything. Since time is short, this is a straight copypaste from my notepad file. This is up to date to my first post only (page 42-ish), but holds very true. + Show Spoiler + Hogwarts Mafia Player list by house: ******************* Gryffindor: ******************* 1. Cephiro - Towniest Town Alive Give coin to Toad 3. Pandain - Probably Town 5. VayneAuthority (Ginny Weasley?) - Bad start in thread. Puts time into setup speculation. Fishes for reaction from yamato, tbh I like. Plays too ignorantly. 6. raynpelikonoshi - Pushes at start for bad reasons. Ugh. Why not push if you could? Too wishywashy. Makes me look bad on purpose. 18. Stutters695 - Null/Lurk 20. justanothertownie - super null ******************** Slytherin: Active QT ******************** 2. Sn0_Man - Good points. Sharp. Fluff. 7. EchelonTee - Wants to hear from Mattchew, good pickup. Good points. Shares his house, late in the game. Valid points. Defends himself properly. 12. I-be-Pro - Seems ok, good points. Pro-town. Setup speculation. Thinks his role is anti-town. 14. Skanjab1s - Suspicious question in QT, good logic but false example. Ambigious answers. Defends rayko after pressured by him. Tries hard. Crap. Not useful. wants to fill? Seems like he gets helped by scumbuddies. 16. Blazinghand 19. Mocsta - Self-aware Miller claim. Seems like town. Would fit within theme. (Good guy Slytherin looks bad because Slytherin?) Plays pro-town. Coin? ********************* Hufflepuff: G+2H lots of discussion in topic instead of QT.. good thing? ********************* 4. Grackaroni - Suspicious about his own house. Town w/ hopeless? Wants to stay under the radar. Town blue? Too easy townread on yamato. 8. Mattchew - Almost insta-jump on miller claim, nothing else. Weird.. Random jump to talk with yamato, nothing else. Weirder.. Just like really bad. Addresses all points made on him, but poorly. 11. Palmar - Jumps in to question Mocsta claim, nothing else. Sticks to that. Nothing else. EXTREMELY useless. Too focused on claim. 21. Hopeless1der - A bit more careful in the G+2H discussion. Town? Interesting ability speculation. Reasonable in his opinions. Coin? Maybe not very tricky? 22. Holyflare - Seemingly ok attitude about QT, weird defense on Skanjab1s Very concentrated on Grack/Hopeless about not competing. A bit too trigger-happy? Interesting opinion about not caring about what scum does? 23. StorrZerg - Asked about how much mafia in where. Same as Skanjab1s Seems to be chiming in for irrelevant stuff. Random Sn0_Man accusation. ********************* Ravenclaw: ********************* 9. Onegu - Useless, too many sorries or truly busy? 10. LoneMeow - 13. syllogism - Setup post that he claims useless, doesn't make much sense. Points things out favourably for his opinion. (Ignores StorrZerg comment.) Good points when it doesn't hurt mafia play. 15. supersoft - generally good vibe 17. LastArgument - Valid point, I like. Coin? 24. yamato77 - Just bad, shares information related to activity only. Filler activity. Does, doesn't. Notices Matt's buddying attempt, good. Wants himself to be analysed. Not pro-mafia. + Show Spoiler + REDACTED Suggestions(Townreads): LastArgument Hopeless1der Mocsta EchelonTee Pandain I-be-Pro Scum: StorrZerg Mattchew Maybe?: rayko holyflare syllo Palmar VayneAuthority skanjab1s | ||
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On October 19 2013 04:31 syllogism wrote: That's another thing I loathe: posting your notes. I completely agree. I asked the mods beforehand if it was alright. I did it because I do not feel the lynch is going to change to a proper target in < 30 minutes. I didn't feel like re-writing all my reads that are already stated and format them properly. Someone may find that useful, someone won't. At least I tried. If I do end up dying, at least people should realize trying to metagame me is pointless. Then maybe I can play a proper next game. (I do know I'm faulty for not having posted more, but at least I can post more in the future without people going "meta -> must be scum/town" and stop playing altogether.) What I wish for is that someday TL learns to play mafia by a game-basis rather than trying to be too clever and meta-game. It may work sometimes yes, but I really don't see why people so often consider meta a more certain tell than reading the actual game and making decisions based on the analysis on the current posts. | ||
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On October 19 2013 04:35 Pandain wrote: I'm back and still don't have much time. Someone explain why cep hiro is massive bandwagon now despite his posts from when I was here? Because I hadn't posted more until I came on ~2,5 hours ago, and since my 1 post was only "fluff and no contribution at all", and the post is clearly "my scum meta", and scum were painting it like that, people just blindly join the wagon and thought it's a great idea. | ||
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Rayko should be looked closely upon. I know I may be slightly OMGUS, but in my opinion he has tried to push my mislynch WAY too hard. He is tryhard as town, but he didn't even consider any other possibility until I posted my notes, and now he's suddenly all fine with changing targets? | ||
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Assuming worst case scenario: (Both me and him are town) If we lynch Palmar -> Palmar dies (-1 Town?) If we lynch Me -> I die (-1 Town, possibly -2 if palmar gets modkilled and is town) All aboard the Palmar wagon? >_> | ||
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Fuck. I wasted my 1k post -_- I wanted to make my first blog on TL ever. On the other hand, I guess it defines my TL-career very well. WTF-moments in mafia since Day 1... | ||
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My newly-found lovers will understand why I don't know whether to laugh or cry, chances of this co-incidence happening is too small to be true. The thing is, as charming as I am, this relationship is smart and works one-way only. And I will meet you all only once a day. I don't have time for more. This is why you must use the words of our secret love if you want to talk to me in public without others knowing. Or each other, if you want to surprise me with a menage-a-trois. Please do not be afraid to sacrifice yourselves for my love, as I will grow stronger for the sacrifices you make. ♥ As for a non-roleplay note: It's unfortunate that the lynch ended up like this, but I will redeem my play and ensure this won't happen again. | ||
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However for those two lucky lovers I will choose on, aiming to decide before lynch deadline is < 2 hrs, I hope you'll be quiet about my secrets this time. If I can trust on that, you will gain enough information to have faith in my pro-townness. | ||
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1) I am no threat to them. 2) I am a pro-scum role that is not aligned with them. 3) Have planned something for me later. Also, I am almost 100% certain Ron Weasley is town. | ||
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On October 21 2013 21:52 Grackaroni wrote: I very much think Cephiro needs to claim. Town doesn't have a need for secret powers right now we are in fine shape even if he ends up getting night killed for having an OP role. If you keep spouting useless nonsense like that I may start losing my townread on you. Although, most of your game has been quite nonsense so that wouldn't really differ from the usual. So just because we're doing fine I should claim? Are you kidding me. Here's a good quote: When you're ahead, get more ahead. I want a short post from you with reasons why Hopeless, Holy & Matt could be scum. Do it. | ||
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On October 21 2013 21:59 Mattchew wrote: They arent scum reads they are people im ok with killing that might flip scum You also. If you are town, which of hopeless/holy is scum. Tell me. You MUST choose one main target, and provide reasons why both could be. | ||
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On October 21 2013 22:02 justanothertownie wrote: Posts don't go to well together dude... There's nothing contradictory about those posts. As a mafia player you should know that it's not even a rare occurence to see a town vote for someone they aren't sure of being scum, simply because: 1) They are more sure that other players are town 2) Consolidating votes for lynch 3) Weird powers etc. Why are you painting those as something they're not? | ||
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On October 21 2013 22:05 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Oh god. MAttchew has none scumreads. Even worse. -rayn Last page. I completely avoided your question. (About if I am a threat to scum, and I'm assuming the why was directed at my belief in Ron Weasley being town.) Why are you not calling me out for it? | ||
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On October 21 2013 22:08 justanothertownie wrote: So it is normal for you to lynch someone whose posts you didn't even read properly? Someone you can't say is scum while there is a redcheck on your own house? Is that what you are saying? It is not normal for me. Voting for someone I do not think is scum happens quite often, even as town. I am saying those two statements are in no way contradictory which seemed what you were going at. However I must thank you for pointing out something I didn't notice properly at first. Mattchew: Why are you more intent on lynching somewhere else than your own house? If you believe the cop claim, shouldn't it be quite easy to start from there? Or are you having trouble coming up with a proper option because you are that one scum, and it wouldn't go well with your earlier play? Also, why did you choose StorrZerg as your in-house mason partner? What about this post: On October 19 2013 05:11 Mattchew wrote: we just lynched the 1 guy that woulda been mod killed this is going swimmingly Why is that necessarily a bad thing? | ||
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On October 21 2013 22:17 raynpelikonoshi wrote: It was me and I am not begging you to answer. Answer or not. It's not going to change the world. It's obvious you want to keep some secrets. So I am not asking twice. You going to tell me that is scummy? Good answer. Certainly not. I am looking forward to talking with you more in the QT if possible. Rayn is too much in a tunnel-mode to get a proper read on. | ||
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We do have one lynch, yes. We killed someone that would have been modkilled (for not voting, or at least should have). Might be that he would've got away with a warning. In any case, I'm sure you know that day 1 lynches are successful extremely seldom. From the knowledge I have (only Sn0_Man out of me, palmar and him is an uncertainty), it is very likely the lynch was between townies only. So why end up having two town dead, when we could consolidate on Palmar, thus minimize the consequences of the lynch? (Although it can be argued that lynching him was bad for his role, as well as not being an extremely informative lynch.) | ||
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First, he was pretty useless during day 1. There was no scumhunting. Second, his N1 reads are townreads instead of scumreads. (Town on Pandain, nothing on ET, nothing on LM...) During this day there was a case on hopeless by rayko without any reasoning except that there is 1 scum in hufflepuff. Even now matt has provided no reasoning for being suspicious of hopeless, except that it was a case "centered around him asking a lot of questions but not furthering his thought process / reads through them". And lastly, after this he claimed that the people he wants to lynch are in a guy who has done townie things and 3 nullreads. (Onegu, JAT, VA, Yam/CR) It doesn't make any sense at all. He says he want to lynch into those 4 guys, but thinks one is townie, one is afk but has thread snetiment, and 2 he hasn't read yet. In short: Mattchew isn't doing anything. *Candy given* | ||
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On October 21 2013 23:49 Sn0_Man wrote: Now. Lynch Scum. Currently heavily prefer Ceph though he might not actually be scum (rofl) simply because his role sounds utterly disastrous and he is showing no desire to work for town victory. I didn't expect 3p to exist but i'm less certain regarding that opinion right now. If you want to lynch scum, then you don't prefer me. Do you not agree I have upped my play? (Even if only for the last few hours?). And you have more coming. As for what you think of my role.. Great power comes with great responsibility. | ||
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On October 22 2013 00:01 StorrZerg wrote: I also don't like your read on matt. On October 22 2013 00:01 Mocsta wrote: Apparently you cited someone elses case. Do you disagree? Appareantly it is not my read at all. | ||
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On October 22 2013 00:15 Sn0_Man wrote: Vote him till he complies its not hard lol Why are you so eager to get me to roleclaim? For someone who has almost all information about everything relevant last night, you should know there aren't really anti-town possibilities left. There is absolutely nothing positive for town if I claim my role, whereas there is a lot of negative for scum if I don't. | ||
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You too. Why do you want me to claim? What does the town benefit from it? Why are you sure sure Matt is town? If you have 1 scum check in your house, and you are sure matt is town, shouldn't you be concentrating on finding that scum in your house? Assuming you are not speaking bullshit about your cop check, you should only have 3 valid targets (Grack, hope, holy), if you are so sure on Matt. | ||
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On October 22 2013 00:28 Sn0_Man wrote: @Cephiro: I want to be certain town don't lose. Currently, the easiest path to loss I see for town is YOU. So I'm very happy lynching you. If you wish to prove yourself as town-aligned by claiming in a manner that actually proves anything, then I'd be delighted since I don't have to lynch you at all. Plus your alignment I think ought to be very revealing in re-reading the D1 lynch. ? Safe to say I disagree with this. Explain me how I am an easy way for town loss. Are you afraid I have powers that I'll kill all townies with? There is absolutely NO reason why you should be VERY HAPPY with lynching me. Explain me also why a roleclaim proves me as town-aligned? That's just utter bullshit and blatant rolefishing. As I said before, if I'm outed, it's just more information for scum + 1 less useful townie. If I don't claim, I have a much bigger chance of messing around with the scummers with my powers. I would also like to hear how my alignment will help with anything related D1 lynch as it was a fucking chaos. If you are town, then it was between 3 townies and that doesn't give extremely much to go by, does it? | ||
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On October 22 2013 00:33 StorrZerg wrote: @cephiro I'm pushing on you, not for your claim, but because your doing the exact same crap you did day 1. Like i don't understand how you think you are acting in any facet today more pro town than day 1. My day 1 = Make one post, then come back before deadline and cause a fucking chaos as I come back trying to prove my townyness. My day 2 = No contribution until closer to the deadline, where I'm actively discussing with everyone and providing opinions, as well as asking questions to try and figure out more. Would you prefer me to just shut up and do nothing? I'd say I'm quite clearly trying more than yesterday, even if in a different manner. | ||
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On October 22 2013 00:29 raynpelikonoshi wrote: So eeuhm. Why did you steal my case Cephiro? Answer this or I change my vote, even though you are on Mattchew as well -_- ??? Explain to me how it makes sense that a townie basically copy/pastes my case on you for himself? Because I agreed with almost everything you said and wanted to push matt, my case would've turned out very similar anyway. | ||
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On October 22 2013 00:37 Sn0_Man wrote: So you want to lynch mattchew because copypasta from your House QT. Thats your "Contribution"? not buying it. Have you even read any other posts of mine... | ||
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On October 22 2013 00:40 StorrZerg wrote: what kind of question is this... My problem with you is you waited till the last 8 hours to "try" you gave 0 input the rest of the 40 hours. And FYI i'm not tunneled on you right now, i am open to you convincing me to not vote your you / vote for someone else The deal is i in no way will support any kind of vote on matt, and will fight tooth and nail on every single person who has a vote on him or attempts to get him lynched today. @Onegu, raynpelikonoshi find a different person. your votes are wasted right now Obviously I did use some of that time keeping up with the thread, just not posting. I could have posted a little yesterday evening, but I decided not to. It's funny how much small decisions like that can reveal. Also, I don't care if you are tunneled on me or not right now. What I care is that you stop defending Matt when he isn't even under extremely hard pressure, and tell us why from your point of view either Grack, Holy, or Hope is scum. That's how you would be most useful right now. | ||
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Considering Palmar = Dead, if we believe the cop check to be true, that leaves us with Grack, Matt, Holy, Hope. And naturally everyone of those four considers themselves as town. So you should have a 33.3% chance of hitting scum even if you pick one of them randomly. Now PLEASE contribute, and tell us why you think guy X from your house is scum. You all have access to your house QT which may be useful, and we others don't. That's why we need your input the most. | ||
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On October 22 2013 00:48 Sn0_Man wrote: Huh lots of people have townreads on Storr I thought. And I've been over my townread on mattchew (His filter is ugly, but its hard to see how it looks like some sort of "scum master plan" instead of just "chicken-with-it's-head-cut-off town". PS Could lynch stutters too. He's still on the first page of filter. Say what he will, he isn't playing the game. On the other hand, I honestly think cephiro might be the most likely scum lynch right now. Because I'm having issues seeing anybody else as better than coinflip. Cephiro wrote: Explain me how I am an easy way for town loss. Are you afraid I have powers that I'll kill all townies with? There is absolutely NO reason why you should be VERY HAPPY with lynching me. Explain me also why a roleclaim proves me as town-aligned? That's just utter bullshit and blatant rolefishing. As I said before, if I'm outed, it's just more information for scum + 1 less useful townie. If I don't claim, I have a much bigger chance of messing around with the scummers with my powers. I would also like to hear how my alignment will help with anything related D1 lynch as it was a fucking chaos. If you are town, then it was between 3 townies and that doesn't give extremely much to go by, does it? Don't dodge my questions. I firmly believe you are town, and I want to stop this nonsense of you wasting your time on me. If you are going to push me, answer those three questions. If you won't even do that, just shut up or do something more productive. You are just constantly calling me most likely scum when you don't provide any reasons for it. | ||
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On October 22 2013 00:57 syllogism wrote: I do agree with this, although BH has been utterly useless even when he has been here. I preferred yamato lynch until we, sadly, got a sub. I suppose it's possible neither BH and Yamato asked for a sub, but Yamato got one because his team did ask. Hey confirmed townie, who would you lynch out of matt, holy and hope? | ||
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On October 22 2013 00:58 StorrZerg wrote: We have been?? what have you been doing? I've asked input from town multiple times on hufflepuff 3. And honestly at this point i don't think i would want to lynch from my house because everyone is active. And i don't have a hard read on any of them (matt feels strongly against hopeless). Like i'm at the point where i think its just as likely we have an unaware miller in our house, or someone framed someone in hufflepuff. The thing is, you're one of those persons that is capable of saying the most about hufflepuff since you're one of them. Based on the fact you noticed the same try from Pandain trying to get Grack to add him in a mason circle if he had one as I did makes me think you also consider Grack town. If you are so sure on Matt, that leaves you only hope & holy. Which of those two is scum and why? Or are you really that much more certain a hufflepuffian got framed / is an unaware miller? | ||
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On October 22 2013 00:58 Mattchew wrote: Im not gonna be at a computer until atleast 3 hours from now Holyflare has posted sensibly, scum hunted and pursued his scum reads, however his scum read on me at the end of day 1 seemed really off to me. Syllo also posted a lot about the possibility of him being scum, but his power (if true) seems almost too weak for scum given all the powers and numbers town have in this game Hopeless's powers are kinda strong and he kinda breadcrumbed he was a jat in our QT, however he could change the word role check to cop and then it could easily be a scum role, and he could have been role checking toad on behalf of his scum teammate ET... Pandain also protects him from LA, and he really does ask a lot of questions and not follow up on them Grack has started contributing however he was also defended i believe by pandain, he has played this game with a lot of excitment and seems to post very fast without what seems like any second thought to what he has to say... His confidence is what really makes me think he is town I think i would still pick hopeless to die first out of the three, the more i think about it the less im convinced scum would target me or anyone from our house for a framer Thank you. This is exactly the kind of post I was waiting for. | ||
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On October 22 2013 01:05 Mocsta wrote: This is all reasonable. I'm not sure I buy into the credit Syllo gives for Hopeless1der to filter dive pandain. After all; It gives him an opportunity to manipulate content before others do & I can't really think what else Hopeless has done. It still concerns me how easily be backed off in Day1 as he was pushing things. Its too late, I am going to bed. I am leaving my vote on Cephiro. To be frank, I'm not confident he is anti-town.. however, we are ahead, and I am sick of how he keeps dangling the carrot in front of everyone. So my vote remains. Mocsta please. I gave you the coin because I really think you are town. Don't make it go to waste by turning against me like that, I don't have many of those and they are much more helpful if you actually listen to me. If you have to go to bed, leave your vote on one of the hufflescum at least. | ||
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On October 22 2013 01:02 syllogism wrote: I'm not answering your questions and I've essentially answered that question multiple times. You're not being helpful at all. @Sn0_Man: Finally, thank you for realizing. Enables us to concentrate on more important matters, which of finding the Hufflescum is #1 for me currently. | ||
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On October 22 2013 01:10 Hopeless1der wrote: Hufflepuff as a house has established that storr and matt are town. Stop trying to strongarm them. They had a mason chat and decided they were mutually town. Deal. With. It. Cephiro What in the hell was up with your vote on Palmar? What are you thoughts on me, grack, or holy? Stop blaming hufflepuff for not solving who to lynch FOR town. Are you part of us or not, do your own work instead of pawning responsibility onto everyone else. You've been active. You haven't been actively hunting scum. Mattchew absolutely doesn't count, especially in light of you apparently stealing someone elses case. I would have loved to hear this statement that it is an common opinion that you all agree with. (Storr & matt both being town.) If you all very firmly believe so, that leaves only you and holy for me, and atm I think you are looking better than holy. I have not provided analytive case posts because I have wanted to hear more from the house members and what has been going on in your QT, and your opinions on each other before finishing them. Even in the few hours up to now my reads have changed significantly. I don't see why I should make an "unfinished case". As for the case-steal, I will come out now and say that it was just a ploy. JAT & rayko can confirm this. I intendendly copied his read after asking if he was okay with, and asked him to call me out for it. I got what I needed from it, so I wish that will be left alone now as it's very likely something others will not get much out of. | ||
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On October 22 2013 01:23 Hopeless1der wrote: A) You ignored the palmar vote shenanigans. B) The highlighted is scummy considering we are discussing things in our QT and can vouch for our reads concerning one another. You should not require OUR reads to form your own. You're stalling and planning to tailor your reads to Hufflepuff sentiment however it can suit you. A) Sorry, did not mean to. See below. B) I want to hear your opinion of the QT stuff because it's extremely valuable information that none of us outside has. I don't want to steal your reads, I want to hear them. More importantly, I WANT THE INFORMATION AVAILABLE IN YOUR QT I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO. Makes reading into the posts by hufflepuffians much easier. On October 19 2013 04:45 Cephiro wrote: I prefer Mattchew as my first lynch option, but to avoid myself from dying I will vote for anyone but myself that is about to gain votes. (I only know myself to be town, so from my perspective lynching anyone else than me > lynching me.) On October 19 2013 04:50 Cephiro wrote: Also for the "Palmar modkill speculation" Assuming worst case scenario: (Both me and him are town) If we lynch Palmar -> Palmar dies (-1 Town?) If we lynch Me -> I die (-1 Town, possibly -2 if palmar gets modkilled and is town) All aboard the Palmar wagon? >_> Is there something unclear about this? | ||
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A) Scum is holy or hope (Grack is extremely unlikely to be scum based on his thread presence, and the pandain mason query.) B) Cop check is bullshit C) Scum matt managed to talk Storr over to believe in him. With matt's recent reactions I am very firmly believing it is either hope or holy. Holy looking worse right now in my opinion. | ||
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So how many others believe there were valid targets in Hufflepuff to be framed, or that there is an unaware miller and no real scum in there? Occam's Razor, go figure. There's scum in hufflepuff and we should lynch it. | ||
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On October 22 2013 01:55 syllogism wrote: You don't need me to tell that at all. I'm not voting to lynch anyone in hufflepuff today and do not want anyone else to do that either. .... Confirmed town. Plays anti-town. SYLLO PLEASE. At least provide a better target if you for some reason don't want to lynch hufflepuff today. With all the information available in the thread, I find it quite clear that lynching in hufflepuff has the highest chance of hitting scum. | ||
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I disagree stutters play as well, and he is certainly a valid lynch target, but I'd really rather lynch into the hufflescum we are very likely to hit, compared to gambling with the lurker lynches. And yeah ty JAT & Sn0, rechecked syllos recent posts (should've done that first), but i totally got in the playing mood where i post first and think after. (Which is why the high amount of posting). Anyway, Hufflescum lynch > Lurker lynch. We are very likely to hit scum in hufflepuff, and it will give us much more information rather than lynching a lurker. | ||
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On October 22 2013 01:59 syllogism wrote: I'm not lynching into a pool of active players that has mafia, when I can lynch into a pool of inactive player that has mafia. Could you share this KNOWLEDGE that one of those lurkers is mafia? As a modconfirmed town you have no way of being sure. And for their amount of posting, it's extremely hard to say whether they are town or not. + They may be modkilled. Use the information we have here in thread and use your skill you should have to deduct the hufflescum. | ||
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On October 22 2013 02:06 syllogism wrote: I've many very probability town reads that makes it extremely likely that this pool of inactive players has at least one mafia, probably two (bh,stutters,yamato). I'm not going to go through every town read I have. Alright, that is a fine reasoning. And I don't need to know your townreads, it's irrelevant for the moment. What I want to know is if you have this pool of 4 players you want to lynch in which let's say has one mafia (decent possibility.) That's a 25% chance of hitting scum on players you have almost no information on. On the other hand.... We have hufflepuff, and assuming you believe the cop claim to be town and true (not messed with, even though I'm sure there's at least 1 scum in hufflepuff), you have 4 valid targets in hufflepuff as well. That's a 25% chance of hitting scum on players you have a shit ton of information on. Why is the previous better than the latter? | ||
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On October 22 2013 02:08 Hopeless1der wrote: Elaborate please. Matt actually provided me with what I wanted. (Reads on the other three persons in his house). I found it extremely useful. He also thinks optimal play is to lynch in hufflepuff right now. He says if that's what people think, he's up for being lynched as well. (This was mentioned in a small manner enough to make me believe it was a genuine opinion of optimal play rather than martyring.) I'm baffled how so many people are even considering lynching somewhere else than hufflepuff. But yes, that and assuming Storr's claim is true, and the beforementioned reasons on Grack leaves me only you and holy. Holy with worse play in general, but you're not being useful right now when it's needed the most. | ||
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On October 22 2013 02:25 Holyflare wrote: If he wasn't even considered in a lynch of course he's going to say whatever you want to hear. His play has been ridiculous and i had no idea how people had town reads on him until he actually explained himself for his posts which was really shit explanation like i said before but made him look more towny. Apart from that his play was really bad. Storr is definitely town and i believe his claim, he ws quizzing people about his reads in the qt and he was pushing people. I raged at hm because he was asking everyone for town reads non stop and not actually hunting for the people that could be scum. This is the same as mattchew. Storr at least did dive after this, mattchew only echoed his points. Grack... Has done like.. Not much either and hopeless skewed pandains filter to ignore grack. I would be happy lynching any of those 3 or bh, yamato, stutters ANYONE that fucking sits back and doesn't contribute so we can actually find scum. Why do you say my play has been bad? Bad was short for *insert case why Holyflare looks scummy*. After koshi reminding me of your role and making me read through your filter in the QT, I also remembered that many of the reasons why I thought of your play as scummy were because they were assumed on other players you had interacted with to be of a certain alignment. With the information available now, those reads have changed and your play looks much better in my eyes. (Better = Less scummy, more towny.) Bad wording perhaps, but I hope that clears it up. | ||
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I really hate this TL "Meta" where every townie wants everyone to claim. Like seriously wtf. Why does claiming make someone more or less town in most situations? It doesn't. It only does that when deducting certain combinations of night actions for example. And it makes easier for scum to fish for roleclaims when every single townie wants to hear every freaking lynch candidate to claim. It's ridiculous. /endofrant. | ||
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On October 22 2013 02:32 Hopeless1der wrote: I'll be back around 30 minutes to deadline again. Someone consider how Ceph has gone from Matt->Holy->me. I don't want to lynch within Hufflepuff, but Holy's got my number on not giving Grack enough of a read to have an informed opinion. It's all in the thread. You've clearly read it but choose to waste others time by painting it as something unexplained. Die, piece of hufflescum. Then gryffindor and hufflepuff may be with each other again. Also: Still looking for two lovers. | ||
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If I understood correctly, he claims his night 1 action was to put a cop check potion on Toad, and he got no results since toad died and was unable to chug the potion. (Irrelevant anyway due to the flip.) Does anyone else see this as incredibly coincidental if we had a tracker that was aware of his night actions? I smell an easy lie here. More likely he just went and shot or killed Toad. | ||
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I believe it is unlikely that mafia would have killed toad on purpose, it seems quite a bad trade to make to start with. What could have happened however there are role re-directions or something else that could've messed with things. I suppose I can wait to hear Sn0's explanation and lynch a lurker today, but I really don't like this.. | ||
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So that claim is absolutely bullshit is it not, or am I missing something again? @Sn0: I'm trying to figure out things still, I'll tell you if I have something that you may find useful. For now there are only some things in my role which make me even more suspicious. | ||
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Palmar is confirmed town (dead). If we trust Storr_Zerg's housecheck, that leaves us 1 scum in: Mattchew, Grackaroni, Hope, Holy. Matt seems to be considered town amongst hufflepuff. If we take Matt out, that leaves only three. Personally based on Grack's posting as things such as Pandain trying to get him to add him in a masonry if he had one makes me personally lean town, probably some others also. Which leaves Hope/Holy | ||
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On October 22 2013 03:36 Sn0_Man wrote: Presumably since IBP died he didn't get the potion. Which makes me think that hopeless would still have the potion but I really don't know. Ur so secretive about ur role  I am fine with revealing you more with my powers soon enough if you live and things go smoothly. I won't do that today however since I am a bit concerned that one of my lovers might be scum. | ||
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1h 15min till lynch. So are we going to believe the explanation that the potion was not announced because Toad did not receive it because he died and proceed with this immortal-syllo plan? No offense but I personally don't find it THAT important to use all resources available on him, as he could be doing more with a confirmed town status. (And even confirmed townies can have false reads.) It seems we are either lynching yamato/CR or one of the hufflescum unless something new comes up? | ||
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That should be well enough for people to get the point. I'm not really concerned though, but it should be noted that there are some quite wtf-votes on me. Like stutters, he hasn't done anything and he comes and just says I should die. Or mocsta, he's my lover and he wants to kill me. (Although maybe he's afraid since all my 3 other lovers died last night...) Also I don't consider myself "refusing to help town", I'm here participating constantly for the last god knows how many hours. Just because I'm not roleclaiming doesn't mean I don't do pro-town stuff. | ||
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Is there a single player except a possible village idiot that would not want to live? As far as I know, dying is really never an optimal way of going for your wincon. | ||
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I really want to lynch hufflescum today. It gives us much more information and in my opinion is more likely to hit scum also. Imo we should settle the hufflescum first and lynch the lurkers next. (Give a chance of redeem to those that deserve, see if any wtf-factors like claims or anything come up, or watch some get modkilled, etc.) | ||
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While I do agree that it is an extremely pro-town move (mainly late-game oriented.), I still don't think it's enough without a few things explained. Firstly, there was a claim there should be a claim about a potion in the daypost. With this claimed cop-check potion on toad there wasn't. (Which is argued for not being there because Toad died. I guess this could be asked from mods?) Secondarily, how will we be able to confirm it works as intended? Thirdly, for all I know he could as well be a scum potionist (inventor?), as well as a joat, or whatever one can think of. I just do not trust him yet at all. And I'm not sure if that plan will make me trust him either. I feel it still has too many holes in it. | ||
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On October 22 2013 04:37 Stutters695 wrote: Again, something I've already said, and yes I did read the new stuff and it hasn't changed my opinion. Just like in Noir he's doing exactly what he has to in order to avoid his lynch and not a single extra word to the benefit of town. CR: Read my summary of his actions in the Griff qt and it will make more sense. As for everyone to know: So far there is no "summary" post of my actions in the QT by him. It does not make sense to me. | ||
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On October 22 2013 04:43 Stutters695 wrote: Since we are not lynching, I'm following syllo and my vote is on Ray. Just quoting this for future reference, don't let him get away with this vote for "following syllo". Just trying to excuse himself from possible consequences. | ||
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... So you still haven't read our QT? That's from 3 days ago. Quite sure that covers like 5% of my posts, which were my early-game raging at rayn and pandain. Which means, all the most useless ones. How about you catch up for real? | ||
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Otherwise I would offer you a coin for that now yes. I am going to: ##Unvote ##Vote: Stutters695 | ||
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That means I had in total 6 coins. 3 of those are enforcing me due to the death of their owners. | ||
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On October 22 2013 05:07 syllogism wrote: Cephiro full role claim please, you are absolutely useless anyway I'm much more useful than you have or will be for the duration of the whole game. You and anyone else wanting me to roleclaim can go screw themselves. I will not change my mind about it. | ||
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I'll be here for ~30 minutes and I should go to sleep then or I'm going to be sorry for it tomorrow morning. I don't know what to think of this hufflepuff shit anymore. If the claim is true, then we should obviously lynch JAT. (I know myself to be town, I have a greencheck on rayko from N1, which I claimed here: On October 21 2013 21:24 Cephiro wrote: EBWOP: To add on the above statement, scum doesn't clearly consider me a threat or a possibility behind some night actions, the mis-lynch on me would've been pushed much harder at this point. So I believe they think either: 1) I am no threat to them. 2) I am a pro-scum role that is not aligned with them. 3) Have planned something for me later. Also, I am almost 100% certain Ron Weasley is town. Based on our discussions in the QT, I'd like to raise the hufflepuffian way of discussion and claim that the check is either bullshit or we've been framed. I do not believe JAT to be scum currently. | ||
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Pandain however during D1 looked very towny and a possible target to me (in hindsight I was completely wrong), but it ended up being a good choice since he died. (I sent my coins on D1 like just before the deadline, Mocsta should be able to confirm this as he received it just then.) As clarification, the coins are sent the instant mods notice my PM. | ||
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In any case, I will go to sleep unless someone has a question for me. And if it's about a full roleclaim, don't bother. At least not now. | ||
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On October 23 2013 09:11 Mocsta wrote: Ok. I rb blazinghand. It makes zero sense that Sno saved bh because Sno power would have CPR the shooter. So. Either 1. I rb scum kp via bh 2. Scum shot storrzerg at 1.5kp which is so ducking dumb.... 3. Something we aren't aware of Now what's weird is the lack of vig kill... I expected vig to be multi shot hence the lack of claim... So how did lonrmeow die? Also. I thought cephiro said he was going to full claim end of night.. what gives?? This hufflepuff bullshit is so frustrating. Im so confused. Mission successful I suppose. Lastly. Syllo needs to explain why jay is town. He's hard backed him up several times I did not say I would fully claim at the end of the night. Wtf? Do you read the thread? Also, why the fuck would you roleblock BH when his medic claim was playing a big role in the actions of tonight and to see the results after? | ||
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I'll get a new power for town to use and he doesn't seem like a big loss. | ||
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I have practice in the evening so I may not be around until just before deadline. I still have something useful which would be better unknown but it is uncertain if I will gain that ability. | ||
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On October 23 2013 09:31 Mocsta wrote: If I was scum, 3 man down and under pressure. I would just want to start shooting town. Long game is too much balls. Looks like a confession to me. :p | ||
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On October 23 2013 09:32 Holyflare wrote: If cephiro doesn't full claim though I'm going to lynch him 100% this ridiculousness has gone on far too long You are no-one to talk like that to a spellcaster of my level. I have useful abilities that work better when not tampered with. Does the scum you have a problem with that or is your mind all huffle and puff like it seems to be for most in your house? | ||
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On October 23 2013 09:36 Holyflare wrote: Stop with this shit voldemort, I've been consistent with my reads all game don't lump me in with that bunch of confusing people. There are 3 scum one of them is jat or you, another is in my house. I'm going to lynch there regardless. If you are so sure those checks haven't been framed in either house, then it is JAT & Whoever it is in your house. As I mentioned before, I have a greencheck on rayko. And I am town. Also LOL. Me voldemort? Since then was Tom Marvolo Riddle a Gryffindor? Don't ever speak of me in such a degrading manner again. | ||
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On October 23 2013 09:41 Holyflare wrote: No I've fucking solved it, i know his role, it's what i said in qt a while ago. Let me guess... Albus Dumbledore? 3rd party? | ||
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On October 23 2013 09:40 StorrZerg wrote: Hi Hermione ^_^ Hai ^_^ | ||
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Although I guess everyone knows Draco is too skilless to perform even that. To think a muggle-born like me outclasses a pureblood like you so heavily... | ||
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Also Holy, nice try but no. I'd suggest you not waste more time on that. Since if you're town, you won't need that information. And if you're scum, good luck, keep guessing. | ||
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On October 23 2013 10:09 Holyflare wrote: If matt flips cop then we absolutely have to lynch ray. If matt flipped cop, that would mean his checks on hufflepuff and gryffindor can most likely be believed in. (With chance of framer) That means we'd have 2/3 scum shown for us in a few options, and he wants to go after Ray at that point? Really? 2 pointed out scum in a small bunch and he'd consider lynching ray a better option? On October 23 2013 10:14 Holyflare wrote: By the way i was trolling about Cephs power. He has clearly made 6 people into horcruxes, that is why each time one is destroyed(killed) he restores some of his soul, thus becoming more powerful. Also this. Lol. Yes, still a gryffindor voldemort is totally a thing. Or Hermione making horcruxes. Except... why would I make horcruxes at all if I could just stay whole? Not to mention there are players that are able to confirm at no point have there been 6 lovers at once. (Thus pointing out such an action at the start was not required.) Zzz.... Interested to see what happens with this Matt & Storr thingy. | ||
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Mocsta is being as anti-town as possible and is effectively trying to work against any usefulness my masonry has. He also does not have a second coin. I think I already made it quite clear that I have 6 coins to give out during the whole game, which have all been given out. (Pandain, LastArgument, I-be-Pro, Mocsta on D1, Sn0_Man, Grackaroni on D2) I am able to send a secret message to the coin owners once a day. Additionally, if they die, I will be able to use more of my spells. (1-shot each.) If I was an SK and shot LoneMeow, why wouldn't I have fakeclaimed town vigi? Mocstas crap makes no sense. And he keeps forgetting his abilities etc... He also isn't putting nearly as much effort into finding scum as in recent towngames of his. I think he's a valid target as well. | ||
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Extended rules: It is common for mafia (and town circles if PMs are allowed) to use a medium outside of TL such as QuickTopics or IRC to communicate during the game. Please be mindful that other players may be more tech savvy than you and they may attempt impersonate members of your team or attempt to infiltrate your chat. You use these media at your own risk. Based on this on top of their actions in-game, I think we can deduce both Matt & Storr are town. This leaves 1 scum check in 3 persons of hufflepuff, and a second scumcheck in 3 persons of gryffindor. No town should want to lynch outside that pool. Imo we go for hufflepuff first. I'd lynch Holy first right now. If we go for gryffindor, then there is no question about it and it's JAT. | ||
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I am perfectly fine with lynching JAT based on the claims we have so far, although I also would like to hear his claim first. If the cop checks are true, then there are only four options with the information I have: 1) JAT is scum 2) My greencheck on Rayko was framed and he is scum 3) All that remain in gryffindor are town (With someone having been framed last night, or JAT being an unaware miller) We're not lynching outside of hufflepuff or gryffindor today, no way. Also, I will be back in approximately 6 hours. Time to practice. I should make it back before the deadline. | ||
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If I am the one to be lynched today, you're going to lynch into gryffindor until scum dies or they are all dead. Then hufflepuff. Then Mocsta. Taking a shower and returning for discussion after. | ||
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On October 23 2013 06:26 justanothertownie wrote: So the RC qt is dead since N1? How so? Why would remaining townies not try to bounce some reads off a confirmed townie in the qt? Ok, if CR is town he probably didn't have the time but Onegu? If he had posted a bit more in thread this would look really bad. If he was scum though he would know there is nothing to gain posting in there because it would only allow syllo to get a better read on him. Just a thought that was recently discussed in our qt. ^ Onegu, answers please. | ||
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So smart. Much impress. Grackaroni would not try to soft-defend me if he was scum. -> Grack town. Also he's nicely picking on stuff many others aren't. Time for the rest of the town to wake up also? | ||
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I do not have candy to give. It was a flavour hint as I had checked Rayn as Town Ron Weasley. That phrase as the end was both to indicate to rayko that I have him checked, as well as to indicate who I'd check next. If you don't remember, that case is the fakecase I claimed as my own when it wasn't to fish for reactions. | ||
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Knowing my own role with these coins, it wasn't hard to figure a character like Ron probably has something similar but with candies as a flavour instead. (Come on, think of the lore, can you think of something else than candies that fits him?) | ||
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Check link. That's a joke shop by default. They do also sell sweets (Including the canary one which is one of rayko's candies results.) Since the first movie when Harry, Hermione & Ron at the train there's clearly shown that Ron is a man of the sweets and food. Gaining a little extra flavour from his brothers is not unlikely. I think this is a fairly pointless discussion though. | ||
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Let me hear your theories instead. | ||
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I obviously meant as for figuring out Rayko's power. I can already guess the next one you'll offer. "You knew it because LoneMeow had a scum ability that tells him the abilities of others!!!" Yeah. Dead people talk a lot. And he'd obviously target rayko first of all people. Next? | ||
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(Inb4 more voldemort speculation and me having anything to do with the deathly hallows and so on.) | ||
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On October 24 2013 03:57 Cephiro wrote: Back from practice. The 5 votes referred to 5 players being alive in a house for example. (For example hufflepuff would have had 5 votes if they voted as a house before the modkills.) I don't get how you are so good at misunderstanding stuff. -_- If I am the one to be lynched today, you're going to lynch into gryffindor until scum dies or they are all dead. Then hufflepuff. Then Mocsta. Taking a shower and returning for discussion after. Hard to read man. In a very non-offensing manner, the townies I share alignment with are very stupid and/or bad if they decide to lynch me today. | ||
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JAT can't really be argued to be scum, and he claims he's unframeable or something of the sort as well, which leaves three options: 1) I got framed last night 2) My check on rayko got framed N1 and he is scum. 3) Rayko got framed last night Otherwise I have no fucking idea what could have happened. This is also why I'd rather lynch Hufflepuff first. I am fairly confident in saying I am more sure that there is no scum in Gryffindor rather than your house saying there is none in Hufflepuff. As for whom, either Holy or Hope. Holy also admitted earlier that he has a secret vote and that it is not used in public. | ||
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On October 24 2013 07:33 raynpelikonoshi wrote: So Cephiro is looking to all other possibilities but the one where the house cop is lying (which is the most obvious one if he is town). hmm.... -rayn .... Because I have a greencheck on him? -__- | ||
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On October 24 2013 07:47 raynpelikonoshi wrote: So the only possibility with the framer is that i was framed, right? Why could scum not frame the house cop on N2? Why is this not a possibility? -rayn I don't consider that Matt was framed a possibility because he's being modkilled for out-of-game communication. Scum wouldn't get modkilled for that. I also said that it is possible that I got framed N2. Or then you got framed N1 (falsifying my check), or N2 (falsifying matt's check to one scum), or I'm not a sane cop. | ||
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On October 24 2013 07:57 raynpelikonoshi wrote: When Cephiro flips scum next thing to do is to lynch Grack who called my reads D1 - N1 awful. I had 3 scumreads and they were Cephiro, ET and Pandain. -rayn The unfortunate thing here is that this will never happen even if I get lynched... | ||
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On October 24 2013 08:18 raynpelikonoshi wrote: How on earth does framing you affect to your checks? -rayn I was talking also about Matt's check. I see that you didn't mean that at all now. Obviously if you read my points again taking that into account you should get it. | ||
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On October 24 2013 07:48 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Especially when you have crumbed your check on D2... *sigh* -rayn Also for this... I did crumb beforehand who I'd check. I also crumbed the result, but that crumb is so complicated that there is a snowflakes chance in hell anyone finds it out. I'll give a hint though for those who don't think it's bs: Finland. If you find this one out before I claim it tomorrow, I'll be very, very impressed. For now, good night. | ||
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On October 24 2013 19:50 raynpelikonoshi wrote: scummies: Cephiro (PoE, Day 1, First claimed role that gets stronger after deaths, then does a rolecheck on me, then does another rolecheck on Mattchew?, I don't understand why he only rolechecked twice with his "powerful" role". .... We're in the third day of the game. Could you explain me how I could've rolechecked more than that? As for my breadcrumb about mattchew (Susan Bones)... The national flower of Finland is Lily of the Valley. Susan means Lily in Hebrew. I knew Mocsta was Draco because he said he's basically the town equivalent of Pandain, not too hard to figure out. If he even is town, that is. My full role has already been claimed, although in parts. I'm Hermione Granger. I have 6 charmed coins that I may give out at any point in the game. (Which I all have.) I may send a secret message to the players who are in possession of a coin once a day. I also have one initial copcheck (rolename and alignment). For each 2 players that die, I gain a new check. (First night three coin owners died -> I got a new check) That means I have 0.5 checks now -> I cannot action N3, I still haven't used my message for D3. If I am to be lynched today, you're lynching into gryffindor in the order rayko -> JAT. Stop once scum is hit, and if not, lynch all. Then you're going to lynch into hufflepuff until scum is hit. Holy -> Hope -> Grack is my preferred order. After that, Mocsta -> Onegu -> skanjab1s -> CH Ray If you for some reason deviate then wtf. Also Mocsta, what promises have I not kept upon? | ||
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On October 24 2013 21:24 syllogism wrote: Just for fun: why didn't I get a coin? 1) You at no point showed any interest in talking to me. 2) You had not been confirmed Day 1 3) By Day 2 when you were revealed as an innocent child, you were very much point 1), as well as I expected town to have someone to protect you. 4) Since the masonry is one-way, to get any use of it in the ways I was thinking would've more required you to follow my suggestions rather than vice versa, and seeing your attitude it was not going to happen. 5) Sn0_Man for example after his claim of knowing everything that is going on looked like a much more viable target in my eyes, and he was someone I could talk with. -> Get to send him my thoughts, as well as gain another check if he happens to die. | ||
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I could not give Mattchew a coin because I had none left D3 after I received the results of my N2 check. | ||
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Yes, I did not expect Pandain to die soon. I gave him a coin because I thought he was town (as said earlier), which in hindsight shows he had me completely fooled. Nevertheless it didn't turn out that bad. You may argue that he's in the same QT and it was a stupid move, as I did not do it for rayko on D2, which is true. However it is also true that I remembered I have an action to use like 5 minutes before the deadline due to all the stuff that was going on (Me defending myself, lynch train going onto Palmar instead, etc.), and thus did not make very optimal choices. I just quickly looked at my notepad who I had pegged as someone to give a coin to and did. Rayko: Not much chance for me to use our codewords when Mocsta keeps coming out and ruining that stuff. | ||
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The codewords were meant as a way for everyone that had a coin from me to discuss certain things without others knowing, I was hoping to create a small circle of trust. (Which Mocsta again, did a great job of ruining.) It wasn't like "I need to tell them what to do", but with a one-way secret message a day, why would not I convey my opinion of "what should be done"? | ||
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(My copcheck still gives alignment and rolename, not the abilities of a role.) Once I flip blue, you're lynching rayko. No questions or buts, you're going to make sure if he is scum that he won't get to fuck you up endgame. On the off-chance that I flip an unaware miller (with a shitton of powers), lynch into hufflescum. Also why do people think Mocsta is town... | ||
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At least spend the time left in the day trying to find the real scum, or question me to get more information. There is no reason for anyone except scum to act like syllo ("I don't give a fuck until the flip"), which is extremely annoying since syllo is modconfirmed town. So why do so many consider Mocsta town? Or why hasn't anyone been going on about how Holy later on claimed that his power is used secretly unlike he claimed before? When there are so many people that wanted to lynch ChRay, why aren't you pushing Holy further about this? Can hardly be because I'm a "better" target. | ||
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Even with a framer existing, it could be that you're a scum role (Godfather), that shows green to checks, and that I was framed N2. I also find it extremely likely there is scum in hufflepuff. Onegu & Mocsta should be looked upon. | ||
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With all these claims I'm not sure about anything anymore. There's like a dozen of everything so no, the way Mocsta has played it wouldn't me surprise at all if he flipped scum. If you are so sure about him, what about Onegu? Onegu hasn't done anything worth mentioning, neither has he claimed anything, which is something everyone has been keen on all game. Yet people seem to totally ignore it. | ||
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Okay so rayko, your reasons for Mocsta being town are fairly reasonable considering all possibilities properly. There is still a small chance of some super shenanigans but I'll have to agree that based on the results of the action it is more likely that Mocsta is town, as much of an a-hole he's been. Since there are so many people with actions that should make them "confirmed town", I made a list... Town: Cephiro [I know myself to be town], JAT [Un-CC'ed vig], syllogism [iChild], Matt [Housecop], Storr [Mason, modkill], Hope [Untargetable potion on modconfirmed town -> Will never get lynched nor NKed, too anti-scum move to make as scum], Mocsta [Occam's Razor based on yesterdays actions, the scum possibilities are incredibly small], Grackaroni [Trying to defend me, Pandain tried to ask him for a masonry if he had a power like that, too unlikely to be doing this just for extra town cred due to not being very credible in most eyes atm, it wouldn't be enough.], Sn0_Man [Towny town, based on actions], rayko [If he was scum, he knows that he is 100% dead after I flip unless town is retarded, so he should pushing for a lynch outside of gryff, as 1 for 1 is not good enough for scum at this point. Scum should be in: Chairman Ray [Nothing to speak for him tbh], Onegu [No claim, no anything], Holyflare [Secret vote shenanigans], skanjab1s [hasn't played too well, PoE, nothing to make him look like town], 3 scum in 4 people, best I can give. Should be correct also. Gogo. | ||
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Grack has to be town because he picked up on stuff that did not exist. I AM NOT A COP My real role is the coin thing, I have no powers on top of the masonry, with the exception that I gain 1 secret vote for every 2 coin owners that die. I secret voted Stutters because I thought the lynch was between two townies and Stutters had been of no use. I made no breadcrumbs or anything, I faked everything afterwards. The candy thing was a super lucky guess, and when rayn asked me in the QT how I would know, I guessed he was Ron after that. But I do not have a greencheck on him in reality. Scum ray would know this, and would also know that when I flip he would inevitably be the next one to die due to this very reason. That's why I think Gryffindor is all town. I know this sounds super weird (because it is), but this time I'm speaking the truth. The Finland "breadcrumb", was something I just came up with after trying to link myself into Susan or Bones somehow, it took quite a while to find a lucky connection afterwards. Yes, I fakeclaimed cop as town. Yes, I will probably die today. Yes, you are killing these 4 people: Chairman Ray, Onegu, Holyflare, skanjab1s Questions? | ||
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JAT is an un-CCed vig. Rayko can't be scum for pushing me this hard, because if he was scum, he would know I am not a cop. If he was scum, he would also be the one lynched right after me for pushing me this hard since I have no check on him to prove that he is town. | ||
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On October 24 2013 23:21 Skanjab1s wrote: How do you propose that matt got a red check then? Frame on me or Ray N2 or I am wrong with Rayko. I just don't understand how he could be scum. There's no way he'd push me this hard knowing I don't have a greencheck on him, unless he's actually a Godfather. Just can't see it happening. Gryffindor has to be all-town. | ||
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On October 24 2013 23:23 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Listen to Cephiro and find the real scum. -rayn Fixed. | ||
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On October 24 2013 23:26 justanothertownie wrote: Wait you want us to believe you actually deduced RayKo is Ron Weasley just because of the candy? Why did you fake the whole cop thing in the first place if you are town? This just gets weirder and weirder. Yes. *candy given* was a totally random add from me as something on top of the copied fake case to have something to point out it was a fake with later. Then rayko suddenly asked me how I knew about it, so I decided to go along with it (as you can read in our QT), and it wasn't too hard to figure out he's Ron. (Who other character in Gryffindor would have candies, especially as no Ron had been claimed yet??) I lie more as town than scum. Gets me what I want quite often. Also gives the scum more stuff to think about. Now it has gotten me to the point where I have 3 scum options in 4 people. Everyone else pretty much HAS to be town. You do not have to believe me, but you should if not now, at least after I flip, because it'll prove everything. | ||
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On October 24 2013 23:28 justanothertownie wrote: And why the hell did you campaign for a stutters lynch over CR and even used your quite powerful ability to finish him if you thought the lynch was between 2 townies? WTF! Because at that time I thought the lynch was between two townies when no other lynch would happen, so I figured lynching Stutters is a smaller bad. 1) Stutters didn't do anything. He was essentially a VT as his mason partner was dead. 2) CRay had the potential of contributing something in the 1 hour per day he said he'd be available. Thus, in my eyes anything Cray would contribute a little and thus give a little more insight on what is happening. | ||
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On October 24 2013 23:32 justanothertownie wrote: Well there are as mentioned before Rons brothers? Whatever my vote isn't moving anywhere barring some miracle. With Ginny, Harry, Hermione and Patil as known roles, it was quite obvious one of the two left has to be Ron (Why would a main character be left out?) The last is whatever you are. You're probably Neville Longbottom. | ||
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Ray is most likely Marcus Belby or Micheal Corner. | ||
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If there is nothing, I will leave, since I have no interest in trying to get myself not lynched at this point, with how stubborn you are it's just not going to happen. I'll flip blue and you'll be able to lynch scum the next day. Sorry for playing against my win-con, but I think everyone of you can be smart enough to see why I'm not even going to bother trying. | ||
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On October 24 2013 23:42 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Cephiro. Can you make a bigger case on Grack why he is town? Can you make a bigger case on Onegu why he is scum? I think that will help town a lot next days. Yes, I'll get on it. | ||
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On October 17 2013 18:20 Onegu wrote: Sorry I am still catching up and when I see something to point out I will do so. I agree with the first part, since it is impossible to know the scum distribution then it is alao possible that scum do not know the members of each house. For this reason I think it is a bad idea to post house lists, moreso in this game than in GoT since it is a qt and not just pms. I am not caught up and the house lists might already be out, and if they are look at the people who gave out house lists first, in GoT the first person who just gave out house lists while argueing for doing so was scum. The second part being lazy isnt much of a scum tell imo. Fighting against releasing house lists. At this point in the game, there are 3 flipped scum in different houses, which means the only one it benefits is scum. As I proved earlier in the game by statistics, it is also very unlikely (~9%), that scum would not have this information. He was trying to prevent others from gaining information he already has as scum. Onegu also constantly apologises, which is something some players consider a scumtell. (For me personally, I don't completely agree on that.) On October 18 2013 18:22 Onegu wrote: Lol you got me, sorry about that. But for realz you going on about setup speculation and how there are going to be many power roles because it is a themed game is just like you are backpeddleing from a slip and the onlything you have to go on is speculation. This post on ET. If you check Pandain's filter at start, he was always having a go at ET. It looks to me like it was agreed upon in the scum QT that ET would be someone the majority could buss and gain towncred from. On October 18 2013 21:01 Onegu wrote: Im leaning town on mocosta, and he is a terrible lynch day 1. With his claim it lets parity cops check him as town would never fake claim SAM. I think mattchew is scum I will put together a case after dinner. Wants to make a case on Mattchew, but he never makes one, although he ends up voting for him without proper reasoning. On October 21 2013 03:26 Onegu wrote: @ storr And just to be clear does your check say there is only one scum in your house, or that there is at least one scum? Could be considered as trying to fish for more information about the check. (Maybe there are two scum in hufflepuff? Although unlikely.) On October 22 2013 02:13 Onegu wrote: ##UNVOTE ##VOTE BH Stutters is around and will give CR a chance to post or get modkilled. This a great post. 3 town targets to easily choose from, pick the afk-medic. (Not saying they knew it at this point, but it is a possibility.) These are his amazing filter reading skills: On October 22 2013 18:36 Onegu wrote: Im going to filter JAT and skan tonight as I dont have a food read on either of them at this point. into On October 23 2013 00:53 Onegu wrote: You guys have any questions for me? I just finished reading JAT I doubt he is scum, going to go over skanjabs now. Conviniently enough, he never even follows up with a one-liner of his skanjabs opinion. Maybe because they are scumbuddies? On October 23 2013 01:12 Onegu wrote: Better but there is another flip that if I saw I would give him a scum read. Talk about it after the resolution period. But unless both thos people flip tonight Im not interested in lynching him now. He never mentions who this another flip is, or why it would affect his read on skanjab1s. He's just not interested in lynching scum. On October 23 2013 02:03 Onegu wrote: Check my meta sn0 I like to bus as scum, please dont let this be the only reason you give me a town read. I am going to catch more scum though!!! Funny yes. That's exactly what he did, he bussed ET. On October 23 2013 22:44 Onegu wrote: I took my methadone and laid down all day, and now I cant open my QT again. Ok quick thoughts. I guess we believe the cop checks. I am guessing ceph has shown up as a red check as process of elemination, when checking JAT last night nothing stuck out to me as really scummy. And I have had a strong town read on raym koshi since day one and now there is a green check. I would like to give my thoughts into hufflepuff to be as holyflare has been really defensive latley, and to me overly so, even though I agree with him about BH. Also I dont like grack any more the exchange with rayn seem really odd from a town point of view. But people saying that both Mattchew and storr are both being town because of the modkill are wrong. Its impossible they are both scum but more then possible one was scum trying to manipulate the other without the huffle QT knowing so we should wait to lynch into there until after we see the flips. I agree with stutters post on BH btw, a town BH wouldnt have rng a medic he would have put it on a vet. Again by POE I think ceph is the most likely to flip scum in griff. So ##VOTE CEPHIRO More fire on BH, as well as stupid theories for the modkills. It's like he wants to distract attention from the one scum remaining in hufflepuff. (Holyflare?) On October 24 2013 04:49 Onegu wrote: Its not dead just not as active as it was when marv was alive, chairman ray doesnt talk at all but I talk to syllo often, althogh sometimes he say he doesnt want to talk and to wait to discuss reads. ^ Can syllo confirm this? He posts a lot to chime his opinion in, but he's not actively working towards anything. Add that he seems to have a role with powers which he hasn't claimed, I just can't find anything about this guy pushing a pro-town motive. It's more like "I'm quietly here, chiming in my opinion sometimes, keep ignoring me." | ||
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Anyway the main reasons: The pandain asking for masonry thing. The way he defends me when I'm under all pressure. If he's scum, the only reason to do that would be for towncred after I flip. But why on earth would he go as far as finding BREADCRUMBS THAT DIDN'T EVEN EXIST, if he was scum to prove my townness? I just don't see that happening. He has to be town. | ||
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(I do not have secret votes available, that would require one more person dead, as 0.5 voting power does not count afaik.) | ||
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Or then just publicize it and let my last wish die in vain. | ||
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On October 25 2013 00:15 raynpelikonoshi wrote: The case on Onegu is really bad. -rayn You requested one, I made one. Make a better one yourself if you can. His filter is small which is mostly apologetic posts about how he can't participate, fluffy one-liners, and chiming in his opinion. I'm not gonna spend the next 4 hours making an essay of behavioral analysis about him when you're probably not even going to take note of it. There's just not that much to go by. I shortly pointed out what could be seen as scummy and what I saw as scummy. No reason to make a wall-of-text about content that is much less than that. | ||
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On October 25 2013 00:14 Sn0_Man wrote: I await forwarding from hosts. Its preeeetty likely ur getting disappointed tho. Ideally we don't make a decision on it until flip tho. I understand that. Mocsta may be unavailable for this according to his words though. Once you'll read it though, I'm sure you'll agree with me that it's not an unreasonable request, and that it's pretty much the only pro-town think I can ask you guys for right now. | ||
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Well, I'm going to gg out at this point. Gl town. My last wish in the secret message was that Grack, Mocsta & Sno would've together voted for Onegu just to pressure him to claim his role. If he claims VT, that would've been bs. If he had claimed a powerrole, you would've had more information to go by. Thank you all for playing. Better go and win this town. Lynch into the 4 people I listed. (Skan, Holy, CHRay, Onegu) If you somehow haven't hit three scum after that, then rayko+Grack, although I find these two extremely unlikely. Have fun! Obs QT once I flip please. | ||
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On October 25 2013 02:58 Grackaroni wrote: Why were you so against town making you claim and now for making Onegu claim? Because that is literally the last pro-town move I could even try to make. Knowing all the claimed actions so far, there isn't really a pro-town thing to expect to be hidden. Basically everyone but he has claimed so far, and I'm sure you could deduce a lot from whatever he would have said. I still think that in general it's stupid to go around and ask town to claim. In certain situations it may be favourable for town yes, but what was going on here early-game with everyone trying to ask everyone for a role was ridiculous. | ||
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![[image loading]](http://images6.fanpop.com/image/photos/35300000/Baby-Seal-animals-35311006-1280-1179.jpg) Pleading for the town to suddenly become smart by posting baby seal pics as requested? :D | ||
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On October 25 2013 03:49 justanothertownie wrote: If Cephiro and/or CR are town this town has reached an unthinkable new level of dumb... Quoting for hilarity about to ensue. | ||
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On October 25 2013 03:51 Holyflare wrote: Why would you wait SO long to reveal and then fake claim cop, if the only actual power you get is a secret vote....? WHAT IS THE POINT. I like to keep scum guessing. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. I also like to claim stuff that I don't have so that I can concentrate on using my own better. This game it didn't go that well unfortunately. | ||
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On October 25 2013 03:55 Holyflare wrote: People just assume I haven't been doing anything but I've actually been posting uselful things to determine who is scum, just nobody reads my filter and "assumes" i've done nothing...... Yeah like your tens of "Why is no-one pressuring this guy?" -quotes. Because pushing them yourself would be scummy? Meh... As I said, this one is one of the four to lynch after I flip. | ||
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On October 25 2013 03:56 Onegu wrote: Ok Im catching up now. CLAIM RIGHT NOW! | ||
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On October 25 2013 03:57 Holyflare wrote: Do you know what the scum powers are? If hopeless potion stops someone from voting, don't you think that is a counter to secret votes? We only know about invunerability so far, how do we know he isn't lying? Plus there are potentially 2 other scum when cephiro flips red and you don't know their powers. Or do YOU? On October 24 2013 16:32 syllogism wrote: Mafia would have given the potion away on n1. When I received potion, I also got a PM telling exactly what it does. He can next give the "if target dies they live another 24 hours" potion. These potions make absolutely no sense for mafia, especially considering the person who gets the potion is told what they do. On October 24 2013 16:38 syllogism wrote: Correcion: when I drank the potion I was told what it did. Yeah, lynch holy. | ||
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On October 25 2013 03:58 Holyflare wrote: You're so full of crap, I've pushed plenty of scummy things. Mattchew, you, etc. Matt = Town housecop Me = Town secretmasonvoter Yes, very scummy. | ||
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On October 25 2013 03:58 Onegu wrote: No, my abilty is still useful and I wont claim yet. Useful for scum* | ||
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On October 25 2013 04:00 Holyflare wrote: Oh it looked like you were telling me to get interesting, sorry. totally why everyones votes are on you Not like town hasn't ever mislynched before. Would you like to tell us why you claimed that the immortality might be a lie when syllo has already confirmed that is what the potion did? You're next, scummer. | ||
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##vote: Holyflare CHOO CHOO, All aboard! | ||
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On October 25 2013 04:19 Holyflare wrote: Where the hell did I say immortality was a lie? He has 4 different potions, immortality certainly isn't town aligned but yes the reveal in pm suggests otherwise. The point is that you don't know scum powers so you do not know what counters secret votes. On a confirmed town, certainly not. As for the latter, you make it sound like you do. Care to share? | ||
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On October 25 2013 04:24 Holyflare wrote: Clearly confirmed townie. This is bs shitflinging and you know it. Oh, you disagree with syllo being a confirmed townie? You do realize the potion is not an immortality potion. It only makes you unable to be targeted. You are still available to be lynched. (But with syllo it basically grants him immortality, since no-one is stupid enough to vote for modconfirmed town.) | ||
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I also don't hold setup speculation as high in value as several of you do. | ||
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If you're talking about me figuring out theme-related flavour things, that can hardly be said to be hard or concentrated on setup speculation. The stuff involving my fakeclaim was obviously only since if I didn't, I'd look even worse for not having considered the different options as everyone else will have done that. | ||
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As for my weird play, I hope everyone forgets how terrible I was day 1. From there forward it was just my usual trickyness, I was hoping to cause mafia some headache since I didn't consider my role very powerful (and it did work to some extent, reading the scum QT), but unfortunately the townies were too suspicious of me so it ended up backfiring on me. Better luck next time perhaps? But yeah, never try to meta me. Just.. don't. Because I can do the weirdest stuff as either alignment. =p Good job town in closing the win, I was worried a little while this might still end up being screwed up but it ended well. | ||
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