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On October 24 2013 07:48 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Especially when you have crumbed your check on D2... *sigh*
-rayn
Also for this... I did crumb beforehand who I'd check.
I also crumbed the result, but that crumb is so complicated that there is a snowflakes chance in hell anyone finds it out.
I'll give a hint though for those who don't think it's bs: Finland.
If you find this one out before I claim it tomorrow, I'll be very, very impressed.
For now, good night.
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On October 24 2013 19:50 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
scummies:
Cephiro (PoE, Day 1, First claimed role that gets stronger after deaths, then does a rolecheck on me, then does another rolecheck on Mattchew?, I don't understand why he only rolechecked twice with his "powerful" role".
.... We're in the third day of the game. Could you explain me how I could've rolechecked more than that?
As for my breadcrumb about mattchew (Susan Bones)...
The national flower of Finland is Lily of the Valley. Susan means Lily in Hebrew.
I knew Mocsta was Draco because he said he's basically the town equivalent of Pandain, not too hard to figure out. If he even is town, that is.
My full role has already been claimed, although in parts.
I'm Hermione Granger.
I have 6 charmed coins that I may give out at any point in the game. (Which I all have.)
I may send a secret message to the players who are in possession of a coin once a day.
I also have one initial copcheck (rolename and alignment).
For each 2 players that die, I gain a new check. (First night three coin owners died -> I got a new check)
That means I have 0.5 checks now -> I cannot action N3, I still haven't used my message for D3.
If I am to be lynched today, you're lynching into gryffindor in the order rayko -> JAT. Stop once scum is hit, and if not, lynch all.
Then you're going to lynch into hufflepuff until scum is hit. Holy -> Hope -> Grack is my preferred order.
After that, Mocsta -> Onegu -> skanjab1s -> CH Ray
If you for some reason deviate then wtf. Also Mocsta, what promises have I not kept upon?
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EBWOP: For each 2 players that own a coin that die, obviously.
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Also Grack is either extremely town for trying to argue for my case, as I am certainly going to flip blue, or then he and his scumbuddies know that there's no chance I'm not going to be lynched today, and he's just doing for the towncred after I flip.
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On October 24 2013 21:24 syllogism wrote:
Just for fun: why didn't I get a coin?
1) You at no point showed any interest in talking to me.
2) You had not been confirmed Day 1
3) By Day 2 when you were revealed as an innocent child, you were very much point 1), as well as I expected town to have someone to protect you.
4) Since the masonry is one-way, to get any use of it in the ways I was thinking would've more required you to follow my suggestions rather than vice versa, and seeing your attitude it was not going to happen.
5) Sn0_Man for example after his claim of knowing everything that is going on looked like a much more viable target in my eyes, and he was someone I could talk with. -> Get to send him my thoughts, as well as gain another check if he happens to die.
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I already explained you in the QT (I think in the thread to someone also?) why I didn't give rayko a coin.
I could not give Mattchew a coin because I had none left D3 after I received the results of my N2 check.
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I also said I didn't give a coin to you (rayn) because I share a QT with you already.
Yes, I did not expect Pandain to die soon. I gave him a coin because I thought he was town (as said earlier), which in hindsight shows he had me completely fooled. Nevertheless it didn't turn out that bad.
You may argue that he's in the same QT and it was a stupid move, as I did not do it for rayko on D2, which is true. However it is also true that I remembered I have an action to use like 5 minutes before the deadline due to all the stuff that was going on (Me defending myself, lynch train going onto Palmar instead, etc.), and thus did not make very optimal choices. I just quickly looked at my notepad who I had pegged as someone to give a coin to and did.
Rayko: Not much chance for me to use our codewords when Mocsta keeps coming out and ruining that stuff.
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I do think there is a framer. I just want to make sure that if I get lynched it doesn't go to some random: "Oh fuck, Ceph was town, better start lynching someone like Skanjab1s" or something irrelevant. I guess it could be argued that JAT can be left off the list, an un-CCed vig can hardly be scum.
The codewords were meant as a way for everyone that had a coin from me to discuss certain things without others knowing, I was hoping to create a small circle of trust. (Which Mocsta again, did a great job of ruining.)
It wasn't like "I need to tell them what to do", but with a one-way secret message a day, why would not I convey my opinion of "what should be done"?
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I greenchecked rayn N1 as claimed multiple times. Which means that if he was framed N2, then he is town. If he was framed N1, then he is scum or an unaware miller.
(My copcheck still gives alignment and rolename, not the abilities of a role.)
Once I flip blue, you're lynching rayko. No questions or buts, you're going to make sure if he is scum that he won't get to fuck you up endgame.
On the off-chance that I flip an unaware miller (with a shitton of powers), lynch into hufflescum.
Also why do people think Mocsta is town...
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Okay, so since you've clearly decided to lynch me without even considering another option... *Insert insult here*
At least spend the time left in the day trying to find the real scum, or question me to get more information. There is no reason for anyone except scum to act like syllo ("I don't give a fuck until the flip"), which is extremely annoying since syllo is modconfirmed town.
So why do so many consider Mocsta town? Or why hasn't anyone been going on about how Holy later on claimed that his power is used secretly unlike he claimed before? When there are so many people that wanted to lynch ChRay, why aren't you pushing Holy further about this? Can hardly be because I'm a "better" target.
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@rayko: Just because my flip confirms a framer doesn't mean there isn't scum in hufflepuff or gryffindor.
Even with a framer existing, it could be that you're a scum role (Godfather), that shows green to checks, and that I was framed N2. I also find it extremely likely there is scum in hufflepuff. Onegu & Mocsta should be looked upon.
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If you are so sure that the RB was the reason we have no night-kill, why aren't we lynching BH right now?
With all these claims I'm not sure about anything anymore. There's like a dozen of everything so no, the way Mocsta has played it wouldn't me surprise at all if he flipped scum.
If you are so sure about him, what about Onegu?
Onegu hasn't done anything worth mentioning, neither has he claimed anything, which is something everyone has been keen on all game. Yet people seem to totally ignore it.
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I consider CHRay less likely to flip scum than Onegu or skanjab1s personally, and I obviously want the checks to be dealt with first.
Okay so rayko, your reasons for Mocsta being town are fairly reasonable considering all possibilities properly. There is still a small chance of some super shenanigans but I'll have to agree that based on the results of the action it is more likely that Mocsta is town, as much of an a-hole he's been.
Since there are so many people with actions that should make them "confirmed town", I made a list...
Town:
Cephiro [I know myself to be town], JAT [Un-CC'ed vig], syllogism [iChild], Matt [Housecop], Storr [Mason, modkill], Hope [Untargetable potion on modconfirmed town -> Will never get lynched nor NKed, too anti-scum move to make as scum], Mocsta [Occam's Razor based on yesterdays actions, the scum possibilities are incredibly small], Grackaroni [Trying to defend me, Pandain tried to ask him for a masonry if he had a power like that, too unlikely to be doing this just for extra town cred due to not being very credible in most eyes atm, it wouldn't be enough.], Sn0_Man [Towny town, based on actions], rayko [If he was scum, he knows that he is 100% dead after I flip unless town is retarded, so he should pushing for a lynch outside of gryff, as 1 for 1 is not good enough for scum at this point.
Scum should be in:
Chairman Ray [Nothing to speak for him tbh], Onegu [No claim, no anything], Holyflare [Secret vote shenanigans], skanjab1s [hasn't played too well, PoE, nothing to make him look like town],
3 scum in 4 people, best I can give. Should be correct also. Gogo.
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Okay, I'll stop the lies. Truth most useful to town after I die.
Grack has to be town because he picked up on stuff that did not exist.
I AM NOT A COP
My real role is the coin thing, I have no powers on top of the masonry, with the exception that I gain 1 secret vote for every 2 coin owners that die.
I secret voted Stutters because I thought the lynch was between two townies and Stutters had been of no use.
I made no breadcrumbs or anything, I faked everything afterwards. The candy thing was a super lucky guess, and when rayn asked me in the QT how I would know, I guessed he was Ron after that. But I do not have a greencheck on him in reality. Scum ray would know this, and would also know that when I flip he would inevitably be the next one to die due to this very reason. That's why I think Gryffindor is all town.
I know this sounds super weird (because it is), but this time I'm speaking the truth. The Finland "breadcrumb", was something I just came up with after trying to link myself into Susan or Bones somehow, it took quite a while to find a lucky connection afterwards.
Yes, I fakeclaimed cop as town.
Yes, I will probably die today.
Yes, you are killing these 4 people:
Chairman Ray, Onegu, Holyflare, skanjab1s
Questions?
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On October 24 2013 23:16 Skanjab1s wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2013 23:02 Cephiro wrote:
Scum should be in:
Chairman Ray [Nothing to speak for him tbh], Onegu [No claim, no anything], Holyflare [Secret vote shenanigans], skanjab1s [hasn't played too well, PoE, nothing to make him look like town],
3 scum in 4 people, best I can give. Should be correct also. Gogo. Uhh, what about the gryffrscum?
JAT is an un-CCed vig.
Rayko can't be scum for pushing me this hard, because if he was scum, he would know I am not a cop. If he was scum, he would also be the one lynched right after me for pushing me this hard since I have no check on him to prove that he is town.
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On October 24 2013 23:21 Skanjab1s wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2013 23:17 Cephiro wrote:On October 24 2013 23:16 Skanjab1s wrote:On October 24 2013 23:02 Cephiro wrote:
Scum should be in:
Chairman Ray [Nothing to speak for him tbh], Onegu [No claim, no anything], Holyflare [Secret vote shenanigans], skanjab1s [hasn't played too well, PoE, nothing to make him look like town],
3 scum in 4 people, best I can give. Should be correct also. Gogo. Uhh, what about the gryffrscum? JAT is an un-CCed vig. Rayko can't be scum for pushing me this hard, because if he was scum, he would know I am not a cop. If he was scum, he would also be the one lynched right after me for pushing me this hard since I have no check on him to prove that he is town. How do you propose that matt got a red check then?
Frame on me or Ray N2 or I am wrong with Rayko. I just don't understand how he could be scum. There's no way he'd push me this hard knowing I don't have a greencheck on him, unless he's actually a Godfather.
Just can't see it happening. Gryffindor has to be all-town.
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On October 24 2013 23:23 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Listen to Cephiro and find the real scum.
-rayn
Fixed.
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On October 24 2013 23:26 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2013 23:15 Cephiro wrote:
Okay, I'll stop the lies. Truth most useful to town after I die.
Grack has to be town because he picked up on stuff that did not exist.
I AM NOT A COP
My real role is the coin thing, I have no powers on top of the masonry, with the exception that I gain 1 secret vote for every 2 coin owners that die.
I secret voted Stutters because I thought the lynch was between two townies and Stutters had been of no use.
I made no breadcrumbs or anything, I faked everything afterwards. The candy thing was a super lucky guess, and when rayn asked me in the QT how I would know, I guessed he was Ron after that. But I do not have a greencheck on him in reality. Scum ray would know this, and would also know that when I flip he would inevitably be the next one to die due to this very reason. That's why I think Gryffindor is all town.
I know this sounds super weird (because it is), but this time I'm speaking the truth. The Finland "breadcrumb", was something I just came up with after trying to link myself into Susan or Bones somehow, it took quite a while to find a lucky connection afterwards.
Yes, I fakeclaimed cop as town.
Yes, I will probably die today.
Yes, you are killing these 4 people:
Chairman Ray, Onegu, Holyflare, skanjab1s
Questions? Wait you want us to believe you actually deduced RayKo is Ron Weasley just because of the candy? Why did you fake the whole cop thing in the first place if you are town? This just gets weirder and weirder.
Yes. *candy given* was a totally random add from me as something on top of the copied fake case to have something to point out it was a fake with later. Then rayko suddenly asked me how I knew about it, so I decided to go along with it (as you can read in our QT), and it wasn't too hard to figure out he's Ron. (Who other character in Gryffindor would have candies, especially as no Ron had been claimed yet??)
I lie more as town than scum. Gets me what I want quite often. Also gives the scum more stuff to think about. Now it has gotten me to the point where I have 3 scum options in 4 people. Everyone else pretty much HAS to be town.
You do not have to believe me, but you should if not now, at least after I flip, because it'll prove everything.
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On October 24 2013 23:28 justanothertownie wrote:
And why the hell did you campaign for a stutters lynch over CR and even used your quite powerful ability to finish him if you thought the lynch was between 2 townies? WTF!
Because at that time I thought the lynch was between two townies when no other lynch would happen, so I figured lynching Stutters is a smaller bad.
1) Stutters didn't do anything. He was essentially a VT as his mason partner was dead.
2) CRay had the potential of contributing something in the 1 hour per day he said he'd be available.
Thus, in my eyes anything Cray would contribute a little and thus give a little more insight on what is happening.
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On October 24 2013 23:32 justanothertownie wrote:
Well there are as mentioned before Rons brothers?
Whatever my vote isn't moving anywhere barring some miracle.
With Ginny, Harry, Hermione and Patil as known roles, it was quite obvious one of the two left has to be Ron (Why would a main character be left out?)
The last is whatever you are. You're probably Neville Longbottom.
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