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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
October 18 2013 09:54 GMT
#981
On October 18 2013 18:36 LastArgument wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2013 13:30 Mattchew wrote:
On October 18 2013 13:25 Holyflare wrote:
Mattchew, you say stutters is a townread for you? He's posted almost nothing. What makes you say towny?

he stood up for palmar when he was an easy target with what i think is decent reasoning


This is not a great post. The reasoning was meh, because either mafia or town Palmar could make exactly the same posts as Palmar made.

Irrationally defending someone who doesn't deserve to be defended isn't a towntell.

He was trying to tell the thread something he believes he knows, trying to enhance someones read on him which i think is pretty fucking towny
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
October 18 2013 10:02 GMT
#982
On October 18 2013 18:54 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2013 18:36 LastArgument wrote:
On October 18 2013 13:30 Mattchew wrote:
On October 18 2013 13:25 Holyflare wrote:
Mattchew, you say stutters is a townread for you? He's posted almost nothing. What makes you say towny?

he stood up for palmar when he was an easy target with what i think is decent reasoning


This is not a great post. The reasoning was meh, because either mafia or town Palmar could make exactly the same posts as Palmar made.

Irrationally defending someone who doesn't deserve to be defended isn't a towntell.

He was trying to tell the thread something he believes he knows, trying to enhance someones read on him which i think is pretty fucking towny


what do you think about sn0_man
LastArgument
Profile Joined July 2010
United States152 Posts
October 18 2013 10:03 GMT
#983
On October 18 2013 18:54 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2013 18:36 LastArgument wrote:
On October 18 2013 13:30 Mattchew wrote:
On October 18 2013 13:25 Holyflare wrote:
Mattchew, you say stutters is a townread for you? He's posted almost nothing. What makes you say towny?

he stood up for palmar when he was an easy target with what i think is decent reasoning


This is not a great post. The reasoning was meh, because either mafia or town Palmar could make exactly the same posts as Palmar made.

Irrationally defending someone who doesn't deserve to be defended isn't a towntell.

He was trying to tell the thread something he believes he knows, trying to enhance someones read on him which i think is pretty fucking towny


It had already been pointed out in the thread what Palmar's attitude towards SAM claims is and was, the information wasn't new.

Further, he made that post pretty much in lieu of any other contributions up until this point.

A weak repetitive defence isn't a great basis for a townread.
If i have learned one thing from life, it's that every man wants something
I-be-Pro
Profile Joined September 2013
Azerbaijan97 Posts
October 18 2013 10:16 GMT
#984
where is BH when you need him
I might not really be Pro
LastArgument
Profile Joined July 2010
United States152 Posts
October 18 2013 10:18 GMT
#985
The thread does not need BH, apart from the fact he is one of too many players who haven't produced enough content to be judged on with confidence.
If i have learned one thing from life, it's that every man wants something
I-be-Pro
Profile Joined September 2013
Azerbaijan97 Posts
October 18 2013 10:29 GMT
#986
I need BH's answer to my question in QT

I'm not going to vote anyone from Slytherin until I get that answer.
I might not really be Pro
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
October 18 2013 11:06 GMT
#987
On October 18 2013 19:02 supersoft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2013 18:54 Mattchew wrote:
On October 18 2013 18:36 LastArgument wrote:
On October 18 2013 13:30 Mattchew wrote:
On October 18 2013 13:25 Holyflare wrote:
Mattchew, you say stutters is a townread for you? He's posted almost nothing. What makes you say towny?

he stood up for palmar when he was an easy target with what i think is decent reasoning


This is not a great post. The reasoning was meh, because either mafia or town Palmar could make exactly the same posts as Palmar made.

Irrationally defending someone who doesn't deserve to be defended isn't a towntell.

He was trying to tell the thread something he believes he knows, trying to enhance someones read on him which i think is pretty fucking towny


what do you think about sn0_man

In an attempt to answer your question i think i found my first scum read, storrzerg.

I'm phone posting so this case will not be well formated nor long winded

Storr has focused on sn0 since his very first post which was more of a joke then anything

Storr has be consistently seeking approval of our qt before posting here, this is probably to make sure that other townies agree with him

Palmar very early said he liked storr's idea to kill sn0, this is what really set off the influx of storr's push on sn0

Storr's case on sn0 is bad, like forced bad. It only brings up one game related post, which is a setup post by sn0 that concludes scum may want to have a hand in who wins the challenges. This is a reasonable point

Storr has continued to push this case on sn0 despite its holes and seems to ignore a lot of other happenings in the thread... I think this is to look like a tunnelling townie

Storr has said in this thread and multiple times in the qt that hufflepuff produce the least dark wizards

Storr is scum

##vote storrzerg
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
October 18 2013 11:42 GMT
#988
(2) Whats the point?
IIRC, your video of "?Hero Mafia?" you went into the theoretical aspects of claiming SAM; and the outcome was to always claim the role as town. The point was to make the right play for town.

(3) What was I hoping to achieve?
I played really bad last game. Really bad. I have also been framed two games in a row (with a cop check). People find me hard to read. I was trying to be open with town and provide information that could help them. Either, policy lynch me; or obtain a read on me by judging my play, not a cop check (as has been the case recently)

No, I would never say anything dumb like that.

Here is why claiming SAM is incredibly mafia favored.

A single cop checking randomly has a 1/22 (24 - himself - lynchee) chance of checking you on night 1, that's 4.5% chance. The chance slowly goes up throughout the game, but only in the absolute far late game does there exist a significant chance a SAM exists.

We don't know if there is a SAM in this game. If the setup was open there'd be an argument for claiming, in fact in a completely open game a SAM is a power role. However in a closed setup, there is no point in claiming it. Optimal play would be to simply play well enough so cops wouldn't even think about checking you. The fact that you claimed means for some reason you yourself believe that you will be unable to keep yourself out of the red-ish zone for this game. I'm not sure if this is lack of confidence in your own play, or if this is because you're scum. But I see no reason to play sub-optimally as town.

As mafia, the benefits of claiming SAM are amazing, it basically neutralizes the cop against one of your team. You're taking a weapon away from the town. You'll still be analyzed as before, but you can never be attacked as scum through a check. This also means the chance of hitting mafia goes down from 6/22 (27,2%) on the first night to 5/21 (23,8%) for a cop.

This benefit becomes even more important if the mafia has a godfather (5/22 to 4/21).

So the question remains, why are you afraid of a cop check? There's an entire team of mafia players whose goal is to play towny enough to not get checked, and they have to do it with the burden of knowledge and the inherent scummyness that leads to mafia lynches all the time anyway, a miller would be completely free of those things, and yet doesn't have the balls to avoid a cop check with good play?

##Vote Mocsta
Computer says mafia
LastArgument
Profile Joined July 2010
United States152 Posts
October 18 2013 11:45 GMT
#989
So you're going to throw your vote away on your strongest day, Palmar?
If i have learned one thing from life, it's that every man wants something
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
October 18 2013 11:46 GMT
#990
On October 18 2013 20:45 LastArgument wrote:
So you're going to throw your vote away on your strongest day, Palmar?


It's a good policy lynch

And I haven't put the time in to be all that useful, I have a few town reads, and some interesting posts by some people, but nothing good enough to make me want to push a specific lynch.
Computer says mafia
LastArgument
Profile Joined July 2010
United States152 Posts
October 18 2013 11:47 GMT
#991
Yes would have sufficed.
If i have learned one thing from life, it's that every man wants something
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
October 18 2013 11:47 GMT
#992
We aren't lynching him today. I don't care whether claiming SAM is "incredibly mafia favored" or not. The fact is that claiming it as town is the rule, not the exception and as such that wall of text is worthless. Can you do something else?
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
October 18 2013 11:47 GMT
#993
Reposting for format.

Mocsta wrote:
(2) Whats the point?
IIRC, your video of "?Hero Mafia?" you went into the theoretical aspects of claiming SAM; and the outcome was to always claim the role as town. The point was to make the right play for town.

(3) What was I hoping to achieve?
I played really bad last game. Really bad. I have also been framed two games in a row (with a cop check). People find me hard to read. I was trying to be open with town and provide information that could help them. Either, policy lynch me; or obtain a read on me by judging my play, not a cop check (as has been the case recently)


No, I would never say anything dumb like that.

Here is why claiming SAM is incredibly mafia favored.

A single cop checking randomly has a 1/22 (24 - himself - lynchee) chance of checking you on night 1, that's 4.5% chance. The chance slowly goes up throughout the game, but only in the absolute far late game does there exist a significant chance a SAM exists.

We don't know if there is a SAM in this game. If the setup was open there'd be an argument for claiming, in fact in a completely open game a SAM is a power role. However in a closed setup, there is no point in claiming it. Optimal play would be to simply play well enough so cops wouldn't even think about checking you. The fact that you claimed means for some reason you yourself believe that you will be unable to keep yourself out of the red-ish zone for this game. I'm not sure if this is lack of confidence in your own play, or if this is because you're scum. But I see no reason to play sub-optimally as town.

As mafia, the benefits of claiming SAM are amazing, it basically neutralizes the cop against one of your team. You're taking a weapon away from the town. You'll still be analyzed as before, but you can never be attacked as scum through a check. This also means the chance of hitting mafia goes down from 6/22 (27,2%) on the first night to 5/21 (23,8%) for a cop.

This benefit becomes even more important if the mafia has a godfather (5/22 to 4/21).

So the question remains, why are you afraid of a cop check? There's an entire team of mafia players whose goal is to play towny enough to not get checked, and they have to do it with the burden of knowledge and the inherent scummyness that leads to mafia lynches all the time anyway, a miller would be completely free of those things, and yet doesn't have the balls to avoid a cop check with good play?

##Vote Mocsta
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
October 18 2013 11:48 GMT
#994
On October 18 2013 20:47 syllogism wrote:
We aren't lynching him today. I don't care whether claiming SAM is "incredibly mafia favored" or not. The fact is that claiming it as town is the rule, not the exception and as such that wall of text is worthless. Can you do something else?


Maybe
Computer says mafia
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
October 18 2013 11:51 GMT
#995
It's pretty convenient that he is a self-aware miller after being framed two games in a row though and that explanation of his is a bit iffy. Still, it makes flavor sense for there to be at least millers. I don't think he is a priority.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
October 18 2013 11:53 GMT
#996
Btw do you think Holyflare is scum syllo? I can't remember why but I did note him down as "slightly leaning town".
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
October 18 2013 11:54 GMT
#997
oh, and one more question. I think supersoft may be scum, do you agree?
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
October 18 2013 11:54 GMT
#998
I'm afk for a while.
Computer says mafia
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
October 18 2013 11:55 GMT
#999
This would be his first mafia game at least on TL and I got a slight town read on him based on some of the things he said. That said, there was some suspicious content too which I pointed out earlier. That question of yours seems a bit random though.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
October 18 2013 11:57 GMT
#1000
Supersoft hasn't been nearly as angry as I would expect, so despite some fine content, I'm still suspicious of him yes.
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