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syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
October 29 2013 16:56 GMT
#4921
If we lynch someone for being a liar based on a mod confirmation and that person flips town, then so be it. We can discuss the rationality and fairness of the host leaving such a mistake uncorrected.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 29 2013 16:57 GMT
#4922
I have no reason to lie about it, I wouldn't have picked up on someone saying that if it wasn't true.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 29 2013 16:58 GMT
#4923
As if mods would modconfirm a player, that's essentially telling you that I'm town anyway?! That's a ludicrous thing to say
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
October 29 2013 17:00 GMT
#4924
All they have to do is state that state that the information provided is incorrect and a squib does not equal vanilla townie. If a host makes an error, the fair play is to correct said error even if that has implications on the alignment of a player. It is by far worse not to.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 29 2013 17:00 GMT
#4925
On October 30 2013 01:58 Holyflare wrote:
As if mods would modconfirm a player, that's essentially telling you that I'm town anyway?! That's a ludicrous thing to say

No, syllo is saying it confirms you to be a liar and by extension, scum (since you shouldn't have "squib" in your role pm as a townie with a ## activated power)
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 29 2013 17:12 GMT
#4926
On October 30 2013 02:00 syllogism wrote:
All they have to do is state that state that the information provided is incorrect and a squib does not equal vanilla townie. If a host makes an error, the fair play is to correct said error even if that has implications on the alignment of a player. It is by far worse not to.


Thus essentially confirming a player as town........... You're kidding right?
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
October 29 2013 17:13 GMT
#4927
On October 30 2013 02:12 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 02:00 syllogism wrote:
All they have to do is state that state that the information provided is incorrect and a squib does not equal vanilla townie. If a host makes an error, the fair play is to correct said error even if that has implications on the alignment of a player. It is by far worse not to.


Thus essentially confirming a player as town........... You're kidding right?

Absolutely not, it confirms the player a squib with a power. Mafia could be a squib with power as well.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
October 29 2013 17:14 GMT
#4928
Also essentially confirming a player due to a host correcting an error has happened many, many times.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 29 2013 17:18 GMT
#4929
On October 30 2013 02:13 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 02:12 Holyflare wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:00 syllogism wrote:
All they have to do is state that state that the information provided is incorrect and a squib does not equal vanilla townie. If a host makes an error, the fair play is to correct said error even if that has implications on the alignment of a player. It is by far worse not to.


Thus essentially confirming a player as town........... You're kidding right?

Absolutely not, it confirms the player a squib with a power. Mafia could be a squib with power as well.


So in a game where the whole point is guessing a role and alignment, you want the mods to confirm that a role is correct, like i said, delusional. The only time they would correct that would be end game in an apology. I find it hard to believe that you'd only bring that up right now despite that occurring on day 2. Much has happened since then, bh's post looks like shit, sn0 died when he was on him, mocsta has lumos results etc etc and the only person you want to vote is the guy whose role is slightly unbelievable? I literally would have fake claimed vt as scum and nobody would have given it a second thought but no, I told you my 'power' when i didn't actually have to in the hopes of divulging information. If you have something actually substantial on me then be my guest and state it.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
October 29 2013 17:21 GMT
#4930
I'm done discussing this with you. Feel free to spend your time more productively, for instance by pleading to the host. You are right, there should be an apology if you flip town, but it should be from the hosts of the game to town collectively. I've made my issues known about your play previously and those things still largely stand.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
October 29 2013 17:29 GMT
#4931
Plus the way you are arguing about this essentially confirms you as mafia. I just said that hosts have corrected critical errors many times. You have no way of knowing whether what you are postulating about hosts not correcting errors is true. You already know that "the error" is not going to be corrected, because the only error here is yours.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 29 2013 17:29 GMT
#4932
On October 30 2013 02:21 syllogism wrote:
I'm done discussing this with you. Feel free to spend your time more productively, for instance by pleading to the host. You are right, there should be an apology if you flip town, but it should be from the hosts of the game to town collectively. I've made my issues known about your play previously and those things still largely stand.


No, you have not, you pointed out things that I have proven to be just not true. You've abused the fact that you are an IC with suboptimal play to say the least. If you weren't modconfimed I would have seriously contemplated lynching you this game for it. I have done nothing but try and hunt for scum the entirety of this game and to be voted off because you don't like how mods distribute power is ridiculous. There are people like BH who you say if sn0 dies it PROVES he is scum but you arent voting him off, there are people that have quite literally done nothing this entire game like skanjabs who will continue to do so. Yet here you are, coasting, voting for the player with an odd role.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 29 2013 17:31 GMT
#4933
On October 30 2013 02:29 syllogism wrote:
Plus the way you are arguing about this essentially confirms you as mafia. I just said that hosts have corrected critical errors many times. You have no way of knowing whether what you are postulating about hosts not correcting errors is true. You already know that "the error" is not going to be corrected, because the only error here is yours.


I'm arguing because you are full of shit. If i was a host i would absolutely not do that. It ruins the game. You essentially confirm it as a possibility in a game where it is about logic. I do not care if you vote me because of my power but I do care if you base it on wanting a mod to confirm or not.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 29 2013 17:46 GMT
#4934
You can quite literally vote me off on any day but why would you do that to someone who contributes to finding actual scum now over someone who does not and quite clearly won't, as well as the fact that there is damning evidence to implicate him??
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16322 Posts
October 29 2013 18:20 GMT
#4935
On October 29 2013 14:51 Onegu wrote:
Dit JAT or syllo do anything to BH? If not then we should lynch him. I would be ok with a Holyflare lynch also. Skanjab would be a outside shot as he is currently my 3rd scum. I will go over his filter during my sons nap.

I didn't do shit.
On October 29 2013 21:55 syllogism wrote:
If Bh is the mafia medic, I don' t understand who he was protecting on n1 unless he just didn't send in his action. None of the people still alive were likely n1 vig shots.

If he is mafia... does he have to be medic at all? Do we have any prove he is a medic?
On October 29 2013 23:14 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2013 23:07 syllogism wrote:
Mocsta: did Slytherin discuss how to use the polyjuice at all? What were people saying?

Its been very loose. You need a house majority to activate (so it has never activated)

(1) 23rd - Mocsta: Lets squib grack, as he may have lied about being VT
BH- is ok with this.

(2) 24th: Sn0 suggests to squib HolyFlare
Skanjab - Thinks squib HF is useless on justification he claimed secret vote, so does not guarantee it will block scum KP

(3)
28th - Mocsta: Squib Hopeless or BH. I suggest lack of "daethly hallows" follow up may be due to me conseq RB BH.
BH - Asks if i know what deathl hallows is and then says it may not be related because since he was RB there was no NK or lynches on scum
Skanjab - asks not to squib BH as the mods specified it wont stop a NK

What do you expect from the deathly hollows then? I personally have no idea what they are and if nothing happened up to this point why should there be something scary coming from it? Do you have more informatio than we do?
Also it is interesting how skanjab tried to influence the potion giving in your qt while he didn't care about the actual game.
On October 29 2013 23:31 syllogism wrote:
If BH does not vote as we tell him to, he is claiming mafia. He can certainly pretend not to be here, but that's essentially also claiming mafia. The same applies to Skanjab.

Kinda true.
On October 30 2013 02:12 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 02:00 syllogism wrote:
All they have to do is state that state that the information provided is incorrect and a squib does not equal vanilla townie. If a host makes an error, the fair play is to correct said error even if that has implications on the alignment of a player. It is by far worse not to.


Thus essentially confirming a player as town........... You're kidding right?

Why would it confirm you as town? I don't see it. If it works the way syllo thinks you are confirmed scum, if it doesn't there is no confirmation of anything at all.
On October 30 2013 02:29 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 02:21 syllogism wrote:
I'm done discussing this with you. Feel free to spend your time more productively, for instance by pleading to the host. You are right, there should be an apology if you flip town, but it should be from the hosts of the game to town collectively. I've made my issues known about your play previously and those things still largely stand.


No, you have not, you pointed out things that I have proven to be just not true. You've abused the fact that you are an IC with suboptimal play to say the least. If you weren't modconfimed I would have seriously contemplated lynching you this game for it. I have done nothing but try and hunt for scum the entirety of this game and to be voted off because you don't like how mods distribute power is ridiculous. There are people like BH who you say if sn0 dies it PROVES he is scum but you arent voting him off, there are people that have quite literally done nothing this entire game like skanjabs who will continue to do so. Yet here you are, coasting, voting for the player with an odd role.

I think it is absolutely reasonable to not like syllos play. Same goes for mine. But even if I had more time on my hands I don't need to prove my townieness like you do. The world is unfair.

I would love to hear some opinions on this potion I got btw. should I drink it? Should I not?

justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16322 Posts
October 29 2013 18:22 GMT
#4936
I have a hard time believing BH btw. This is just pathetic, un-BH-like and in sharp contrast to the lighthearted/joking way he played this game.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 29 2013 18:32 GMT
#4937
Obviously I'm biased, but I haven't lied about what my potions do which has been almost proven via mocsta and syllo confirming the potions did what I said they would do. I gave it to you on the chance that you get another check tonight and live the extra 24 hours to give the town the info. Since you told me not to give you the potion, I came to the conclusion that you probably wont be getting anymore checks for whatever reason, but since Sn0/BH were top priority to die it wasnt worth risking giving it to them. You were the best option to give the potion to.

I don't think we will need your vote today. If you believe I'm telling the truth about the potions effect, here is your decision:
What is more valuable?
a) Your vote today
b) any potential information that you "living" through the night would give to town. i.e. cop checks

with b) you will not flip until 24 hours into Day 6 (its currently Day 5) in the event that you get NK'd.

If you don't want to drink it, then pm the hosts you dont want it.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16322 Posts
October 29 2013 18:39 GMT
#4938
Thank you for the answer. I did never assume you were scum just because you gave me this potion. I also did not say you lied about it's effect. I just want some opinions on the usefulness of drinking it.
Yours is noted.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 29 2013 18:42 GMT
#4939
Wait what, it stops the player flipping??
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 29 2013 18:45 GMT
#4940
On October 30 2013 03:39 justanothertownie wrote:
Thank you for the answer. I did never assume you were scum just because you gave me this potion. I also did not say you lied about it's effect. I just want some opinions on the usefulness of drinking it.
Yours is noted.

yeah, but I didn't exactly instill confidence with such gems as "drink it", closely followed by
On October 29 2013 05:11 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
DONt'T DRINK IT!

On October 29 2013 05:12 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
##Vote: Hopeless1der


It is as simple as I've put it. If you think you can get a copcheck off, its probably worth drinking it. If not, don't. Obviously you shouldn't reveal what you choose, but as a forewarning if you Pm the hosts that you do NOT want to drink it, I will be notified. Not that I'd reveal it, just letting you know.
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