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E00e
Profile Joined January 2011
88 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-03 13:27:45
October 03 2013 13:25 GMT
#28
/in
When will the cop get no result back on a check? Does it happen when they are roleblocked?
When every Mafia member is roleblocked does that mean they cannot kill anyone at night?
E00e
Profile Joined January 2011
88 Posts
October 03 2013 13:28 GMT
#29
I just realized I edited the message above to correct a spelling mistake, sorry.
E00e
Profile Joined January 2011
88 Posts
October 13 2013 21:08 GMT
#140
Since there are 12 hour nights and 48 hour days, and the game starts with the first Mafia kill (=night, right?), does this mean the first day starts in 12 hours plus the time Umasi posted for game start?
E00e
Profile Joined January 2011
88 Posts
October 13 2013 21:18 GMT
#142
I see, so everyone is alive then.
E00e
Profile Joined January 2011
88 Posts
October 14 2013 08:19 GMT
#194
Hello everyone, my first post!

I think the discussion about a semi random lynch or an afk lynch was somewhat pointless because the day is still early and we might find something else to lynch on. In the rare (?) case that we dont get any information we can argue about that again.
On that topic I dont think it is reasonable to immediately vote for SagaZ (who suggested afk lynch first) like istandwithmitt did.

I like that GGTeMpLaR started giving thoughts about the players in this game, because ultimately we need to do that to find our lynch target.

Something else we could and maybe should discuss is when the Cop should come out. Should they come out after checking X Mafia or Y Town or when they are about to be lynched, etc...
We dont need to do that on the first day and I dont want to sidetrack the discussion but it is something to keep in mind for the next day or if we run out of things to talk about.
E00e
Profile Joined January 2011
88 Posts
October 14 2013 08:53 GMT
#201
On October 14 2013 17:35 playerboy345 wrote:
No the discussion isn't pointless - it forces people to talk which is a good thing.

And going ballsdeep on SagaZ AND istandwith mitt....

Dude I can't even be bothered to mention the last paragraph: ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS?


Yes it is good that people talk, however there might be other more rewarding ways to do that. I think that meta discussions about this topic are pointless too, so I wont argue about that more.

Could you explain your rage about the last paragraph? From your post I dont understand the problem with it and I said everything very calmly and careful.
E00e
Profile Joined January 2011
88 Posts
October 14 2013 08:55 GMT
#203
@Odin I agree that the cop should not come out now. Im just interested in helping the cop to figure out when they should come out.
E00e
Profile Joined January 2011
88 Posts
October 14 2013 08:57 GMT
#205
@playerboy345
I honestly cant tell if you are being sarcastic or are just flaming me for something that is implied to be very bad about my posts but which I dont know about.
E00e
Profile Joined January 2011
88 Posts
October 14 2013 09:02 GMT
#207
Right now it looks like you are not interested in a real discussion because you continue to make cryptic claims.
If there is something obviously bad just say it so I can improve.
If there is something bad that you for whatever reason dont want to point out right now then just say it.
E00e
Profile Joined January 2011
88 Posts
October 14 2013 20:17 GMT
#272
It looks like most things about my post were cleared up thanks to Seuss. Id just like to emphasize that at no point I said I wanted the cop to come out, I wanted the cop to know when to come out. As I have learned now the general consensus is that they should only do it when they are about to be lynched. I did not know that when making my post and it is really not a trivial answer.
I am currently liking (-> thinking they are town) Odin and GGTemplar because they explain their posts and intentions. Seuss would also be in that category but he is already confirmed town.
I have a hard timing finding Mafia with evidence to back it up. Playerboy has a lot of funny posts that dont really help, but this is not too bad imo.
Istandwithmitt does not seem to try to create a good discussion atmosphere but again that is not too bad.
E00e
Profile Joined January 2011
88 Posts
October 15 2013 16:59 GMT
#315
@nyx
To me that looks like you voted for Vonthin just because he voted on you, which is bad in my opinion.

At the moment I feel scummy about nyx and onlywonderboy. This is a gut feeling that I got after rereading a lot of posts just now. I cant really back it up except for the stuff other people already said which I dont want to repeat.

##vote nyxnyxnyx
E00e
Profile Joined January 2011
88 Posts
October 15 2013 17:03 GMT
#317
And by the way dont be fooled into agreeing with me because you think I am as playerboy put it soft claiming cop.
I will neither confirm nor deny that I am the cop but in any case I dont think there is enough evidence to follow me so you should not do it.
E00e
Profile Joined January 2011
88 Posts
October 15 2013 17:05 GMT
#318
istandwithmitt you have no intentions to play this game in a meaningful way. I hate that. I think you partly play to win and what you are doing is just not helping anyone.
I agree with whoever said it before me that we should completely ignore anything istandwithmitt posts and kill them if we have no better lynch.
E00e
Profile Joined January 2011
88 Posts
October 15 2013 19:52 GMT
#325
The last time I will be able to check this thread for today (ingame day) is in 20 minutes. Just saying this so you wont be confused why I didnt change my vote if someone posts something important later.
E00e
Profile Joined January 2011
88 Posts
October 17 2013 06:45 GMT
#465
I will have to time to read and post in ~3 hours. I thought Seuss explained my cop post and I dont understand why you think I tried to out a cop. I literally asked when the cop should come out and did not tell anyone to. I even explicitly stated that I dont want the cop to come out right now then. A discussion about when the cop should come out cannot be a bad thing for town except if we ignore other more important discussion topics to discuss it.
E00e
Profile Joined January 2011
88 Posts
October 17 2013 18:00 GMT
#479
Why are you putting blame on me for playerboy's death. I still see nothing inherently wrong with my post and if there is anyone to blame for mafia thinking playerboy is cop and killing him it is himself. I dont want to discuss this anymore but you keep bringing it up Balla24.Before playerboy died you took my side and after his death you switched.
I am not sure why you say that only one of us, me or you, can be mafia. I am not sure if you honestly try to investigate if I am scum or looking to lynch a town that might not be able to defend themself well being scum yourself.

I voted for nyx because this was the only person I really had a bad feeling about. If you agree with Seuss that was at least somewhat correct, even though I thought of nyx as mafia since I did not take a Serial Killer into account.

I liked Odin and think he was killed by Mafia because playerboy was more of a controversial player and had a higher chance of being shot by a vigilante or being lynched.

Seuss you said you are somewhat certain that there are 4 non-town players out there but you list only 3 people in your last post as non town.
E00e
Profile Joined January 2011
88 Posts
October 17 2013 18:03 GMT
#480
Somebody suggested I had reasons to kill playerboy. I dont know if that implied that I am mafia or vigi but Im not Mafia (which anyone would say) and as a Vigi I would not kill playerboy because I did not think he was Mafia. Of course I disliked him on a personal basis but that is not enough reason to kill him.
E00e
Profile Joined January 2011
88 Posts
October 17 2013 18:20 GMT
#482
I think if we agree that Nyx is the SK and we find a Mafia, we should lynch the SK later and the Mafia first because he might randomly kill a Mafia at night. Is that correct?
E00e
Profile Joined January 2011
88 Posts
October 17 2013 22:29 GMT
#497
@GGTemplar
Thats not fair to me. I explicitly say that I dont want to discuss the cop thing again and i question Balla for saying that only one of us two could be mafia.
E00e
Profile Joined January 2011
88 Posts
October 18 2013 09:20 GMT
#533
If you are town and people want to lynch you should not agree.
The way you wrote that sounds fake to me and you are trying to look town by being sacrificial.
E00e
Profile Joined January 2011
88 Posts
October 18 2013 15:27 GMT
#540
I will also vote nyx because my bad feeling about them has not changed since my vote on day 1. I dont have anyone else that I consider not town this strongly, but if that changes Im open to change the vote.
I realize this might give additional support to the Balla-e00E connection but I dont think I should not vote for my anti-town read just because it might put suspicion on me. I still think that if we are very sure about a different mafia and think nyx is the SK we should lynch the Mafia first.

##vote: nyxnyxnyx
E00e
Profile Joined January 2011
88 Posts
October 18 2013 15:55 GMT
#550
@Balla I just put my vote on the person im most certain and your post reminded me of voting. I dont think its a bandwagon if you have this much time left to change the votes.
On the first day I actually voted on Nyx before you (being the second person after Vonthin) and you then said you agreed with me. Isnt it strange you would get that wrong?
E00e
Profile Joined January 2011
88 Posts
October 18 2013 16:16 GMT
#557
On day 1 Balla defended my posts and put suspicion on playerboy and nyx. Then on day two after seeing that playerboy was a cop Balla immediately changes their opinion on my day 1 post and is aggressive towards me.
Could it be that Balla every day tried to find a weak town lynch target being Mafia themself? Disagreeing with playerboy was easy because he appeared to be flaming and voting for nyx did not require much justification either.
Now on day2 it looks like nyx is going to get killed anyway so you switch to the next weakest player (thinking they cant defend themself) me. After seeing that I actually try to defend myself contrary to nyx you switch again.
E00e
Profile Joined January 2011
88 Posts
October 18 2013 16:22 GMT
#559
@onlywonderboy
When I read your posts it does look like you agree a lot with other people and dont bring much of your own. Seuss might have thought better of your posts because in general we like to think positive of people who have the same opinion as our self.
E00e
Profile Joined January 2011
88 Posts
October 18 2013 16:32 GMT
#563
Could you explain why you are voting for me? On day 1 it looked like you just voted Vonthin because they voted you, are you doing the same here?
E00e
Profile Joined January 2011
88 Posts
October 18 2013 19:20 GMT
#583
@Seuss Could you reiterate again why you think im Mafia? I would like to know the accusation so I can defend myself.

There were a few players that said they didnt think I was the cop and other players pointed out that Mafia could have thought playerboy was the cop. I dont think it really is evidence against me that I was not roleblocked? Would you like to know if i am vanilla town or a role? If that is a bad question to answer just say so!
E00e
Profile Joined January 2011
88 Posts
October 18 2013 21:35 GMT
#593
Sleeping time is approaching for me (~1.5 hours) and I dont want to be lynched after that because I could not defend myself against new accusations. If im not lynched today we can go over me again it tomorrow.
I really dont think you should lynch me over nyx. I was called town many times earlier and nyx as SK seemed like a popular idea on day2 and nyx was nearly lynched day 1 and did not even try to make sense today. Even if you have suspicion on me now it really does not make sense to change who you want to lynch so drastically.
E00e
Profile Joined January 2011
88 Posts
October 18 2013 22:02 GMT
#601
@GGTemplar
You're line of reasoning has me as the most probable mafia read along side Balla. You call me a strong mafia read by the process of elimination but is it really so strong? Even if i am the most probable mafia the actual probability could be low. You even had me as a light town read on day 1. So this is solely based on day 2.
Contrary to that you are very very convinced of nyx making nyx a more secure kill.

What is the information you would get out of my death? What will change for you if come out as town or mafia?

I dislike that my defense so far is more about other people than me, maybe I can think of more.
E00e
Profile Joined January 2011
88 Posts
October 18 2013 22:22 GMT
#606
On October 19 2013 06:08 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2013 00:36 Balla24 wrote:
and wtf man... get off my back... this is the second time you've voted directly after me directly like me with very little other information.

I only wanted to use my vote as a pressure vote and you trying to start a train like this makes it hard.


This looks so forced as a bus. I am more and more sure of the E00e/onlywonderboy/Balla24 circle every day. I am trying to take a step back to make sure I'm not tunnel visioning on this theory so I can be right, but I can't help noticing these connections. Hopefully they are not inspired by my confirmation bias.

Show nested quote +
On October 19 2013 00:39 onlywonderboy wrote:
I'm pretty suspicious of SagaZ at this point. He very well have been busy, but coming back to make one impassioned post doesn't clear him in my eyes. I'm interested to see if he's able to participate in any of the conversations going on around lynching time. That's generally where a lot of useful information comes out. Although it seems we are going pretty much all in on nyx at this point. Which, I don't have an issue voting for nyx (I think he's kind of scummy), but I don't want to start the bandwagon too early when new information may come to light. And of course I disagree with SagaZ's analysis of me. I find it so weird he can say all my posts have been useless when Seuss is claiming they are pretty good, just not a lot of them. I find it interesting they can have such different opinions on my posts.


More intra-circle busing going around? Maybe, maybe not. Just note these interactions between onlywonderboy-E00e-Balla24.
.
.
.

Why does this look "forced as a bus" ? I debunked Ballas claim that I voted after him day 1 too, and what would the purpose for mafia be in having this exchange?
I dont take part in the second quote but you have it as an example for my circle.
E00e
Profile Joined January 2011
88 Posts
October 18 2013 22:28 GMT
#607
And why am I even in a circle with onlywonderboy? Do we have any kind of suspicious interaction?
E00e
Profile Joined January 2011
88 Posts
October 18 2013 22:47 GMT
#613
I am still around if you need my vote for anything that you can convince me of.
E00e
Profile Joined January 2011
88 Posts
October 18 2013 23:29 GMT
#629
There are 10 people alive.
3 Mafia
1 SK
6 Town

If the SK is lynched correctly and Mafia kills a town at night and there are no saves the town will have to lynch correctly every day:
Day 3 starts with: 5 town - 3 mafia
4: 4 - 2
5: 3 - 1

If the same happens but July as town gets modkilled the town ALSO has to lynch correctly.
Day3 starts with: 4 town - 3 mafia
4: 3 - 2
5: 2 - 1

If there are no medic saves, the two situations are the same.
E00e
Profile Joined January 2011
88 Posts
October 19 2013 08:51 GMT
#677
Wow that sucks, but you are somewhat at fault yourself nyx.
I am sorry Bereft, it was not my intention to look cop. Please post the quotes so I know what caused it. Seuss if you think you and Bereft will die, shouldnt Bereft post his role and what they did every night?

I will be afk for the next ~8 hours.
E00e
Profile Joined January 2011
88 Posts
October 20 2013 14:42 GMT
#712
GGTemplar had Odin (confirmed town later),Bereft as a strong town read which makes me think Bereft is not Mafia.
Templar also said there are 1 or 2 mafia in the Vonthin voters which makes me think there is at most 1 mafia there preferably 0.
Templar tried to kill me day2 and put me in circles with various other people. I like to think that in those circles there was a Mafia so that when I am lynched day2 and turn out town the other people in that circle are thought of as town.

I think July is the 2nd mafia. I got that feeling from reading July's and GGTemplar's posts and I cant deliver strong evidence right now. Maybe someone else can confirm/deny.
E00e
Profile Joined January 2011
88 Posts
October 20 2013 18:56 GMT
#716
I had you (SagaZ) or Balla as 3rd Mafia but im less sure about that.
E00e
Profile Joined January 2011
88 Posts
October 21 2013 07:38 GMT
#721
@SagaZ Actually I tried get town to be less inactive b y posting something that is discussable. To make my post less pushy I did not put my vote yet to show that I wanted to talk about this.
Everything in your post you could have said before I told you who I thought was the 3rd Mafia, why did you not post it earlier?
E00e
Profile Joined January 2011
88 Posts
October 21 2013 07:47 GMT
#722
Also it there really does not have to be HEAVY Mafia on Mafa action (yummy) going on. For example you SagaZ voted for July once with the reason that their posts had nothing worthwhile and you were the only one voting for them. After a few posts you switched your vote.
I dont think this qualifies as throwing fellow mafia under the bus and it was not a dangerous vote either and I dont want something like this remove the possibility of you being mafia.
E00e
Profile Joined January 2011
88 Posts
October 21 2013 15:52 GMT
#727
Dont you think you can get more information about who is Mafia from GGTemplar, Bereft?
E00e
Profile Joined January 2011
88 Posts
October 21 2013 20:06 GMT
#736
Im still around but I will go to sleep soon. Mitt shine in on July Mafia, Balla Mafia and onlywonderboy as SK please.
E00e
Profile Joined January 2011
88 Posts
October 21 2013 20:08 GMT
#737
##Vote: July617
I will stick to that vote if nothing changes my mind in the next ~hour.
E00e
Profile Joined January 2011
88 Posts
October 21 2013 20:09 GMT
#738
I feel bad for the already dead players that we didnt do much this day .
E00e
Profile Joined January 2011
88 Posts
October 22 2013 06:43 GMT
#814
We will get the worst town award for always lynching town :D . Bye guys.
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