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Oatsmaster
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Oatsmaster
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Good night. :> | ||
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Holyflare
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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Clarity_nl
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Dirkzor
Denmark1944 Posts
Right now: Lynch sloosh. Later: Doesn't matter. We won. Look. Sloosh isn't really trying. He is just waiting for us town to shit eachother over until we decide to vote someone else. Just stop and lynch Sloosh. (but if I had to choose, its sloosh, oats then Marv.) | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
I know sloosh isn't doing anything, but why is that scum him and town oats. To me it reads as oats trying to "meta"and sloosh just... being. He's not anti our pro, he's null. I would really like marv or Oats to be lynched, though. Lynch people who play anti town | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On October 05 2013 04:22 Risen wrote: So I'm relaxing and thinking and I know I said I'm immune to too crazy to be scum, but that's all I can get that I can't explain about marc. Oats is playing so anti town. Like what is this? He's so cocky for no reason. If I want to punch Marc I want to lynch oats, because holy cow what is he doing to help town is all I can think. His objective should be to establish himself as town but he isn't even concerned with it. So why would scum do that, because meta. And now why is he trying so hard to play crazy instead of actually help. I think his partner got lynched and so now his plan is just to troll the entire game so no one will lynch him. I know sloosh isn't doing anything, but why is that scum him and town oats. To me it reads as oats trying to "meta"and sloosh just... being. He's not anti our pro, he's null. I would really like marv or Oats to be lynched, though. Lynch people who play anti town but you have to admit that Dirk's case on sloosh is pretty damning right? The trolling could just be because it is SO obvious already? | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On October 05 2013 04:24 Holyflare wrote: but you have to admit that Dirk's case on sloosh is pretty damning right? The trolling could just be because it is SO obvious already? Yes, but I'm running into a problem of "there are too many people I see as scum in this game" | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On October 05 2013 04:29 Risen wrote: Yes, but I'm running into a problem of "there are too many people I see as scum in this game" Conserve energy, vote sloosh. If he flips town then you can do some more. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On October 05 2013 04:29 Risen wrote: Yes, but I'm running into a problem of "there are too many people I see as scum in this game" I can relate to this. | ||
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slOosh
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slOosh
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That said, I retract my initial desire to 1 for 1 for marv. Not that I'm definite that he is town, but neither am I that confident that he is scum, and it is entirely possible that I'm making a similar kind of oversight this game as well. So I'm scratching the slate and starting over. Feel free to input thoughts and whatnot as I review the game - humor me, if you will. (Oats, this is really big post, so feel free to skip it all and call me scum  )+ Show Spoiler + 9 player game, 1 dead rayn, 1 (soon to be dead doctor) BH. 1 me. That leaves 6 players I get to give a good look at, only 1 is scum. So all interactions in the thread include at least 1 town (beside those with rayn). Oats, Dirk, marv, Risen, clarity, Holyflare On October 02 2013 10:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Hey let's lynch Oats, seems reasonable. dundundun. This is rayn's first (well second post). It actually is echoing HolyFlare's vote on Oats, bringing focus upon it. Don't think rayn would be so quick to point out his partner's problematic posts, but it does seem like he is drunk or something. Chalk it up as a slight town tell for HF by association. pg 5~10 and I feel good about Oats. It's rapid fire unadulterated thoughts into the thread, and there is focus to his posts (as a whole). Feeling moderate to strong town on Oats. On October 02 2013 18:55 marvellosity wrote: Ok now I read it. He provides two quotes as contextual evidence for his non-read on Oats, and none with his scumread on Holyflare. Seems like my vote is quite good. On October 02 2013 19:11 marvellosity wrote: That's totally different reasoning to the reasoning you used last page. At least you've taken to providing contextual evidence to your scumread instead of your null read now. Yay! On October 02 2013 20:27 marvellosity wrote: So you voted a scumread based on evidence that didn't exist? Your claim was effectively that he was sheeping BH and unoriginal, and now having "checked" his filter, he is in fact not sheeping BH and original after all. At this point I feel really stupid. Marv's arguments are solid. Paranoia says that scum marv would punish poor town play like this, but I'm realizing my paranoia is not the good kind. I recall marv revisiting this interaction, especially with the quote "clinically clean". I can see what he means by this. Dirk's claim is sloppy. Either HF is doing nothing, or he is doing scummy things (sheeping BH etc.) Then he says HF is clean, indicating a lack of substance, but not noting actively scummy things. At this point I give marv a solid town read and Dirkzor a slight red read. Maybe I'll just emphatic b/c he says it's his first game in a year. Moving on, Getting bored of coloring things in. pg 16 Clarity is prodding me about my bad townread on Dirk. That's sensible. You see something strange, you call that out and you probe. pg 18 rayn enters the thread and hones in on the BH / Oats thing. Does not mention me or dirk. I understand this reflects poorly on me. Cool. pg 21 rayn gives dirk an out. I believe by now I'm already prone to confirmation bias into thinking dirk is the last scum. Feel free to disregard such statements. On October 03 2013 16:32 Clarity_nl wrote: Your vote is still on him btw. I realize you made the post about voting yourself as placeholder. You are aware you can simply unvote? Who have you looked at recently other than HF/Oats and did you develop a read out of looking at them? On October 03 2013 16:52 Dirkzor wrote: I recently looked into sloosh (and found a gem I think). I am waiting for him to answer... Also in Rayn after BH asked and his case. But you would know if you read the thread as you so kindly advocated earlier that people do before asking questions... I know my vote is on him. So? Wat? That's not a response. That's an evasion. "Opinions on HF/ Oats or anyone?" *in snarky tone* "I've obviously been looking at rayn and slOosh. dummy." K by this point either I'm onto something or I have confirmation bias and so instead I'll focus on the remaining players to see how they are. ~pg 24 marv and clarity doing lots of intertwining. KISS -> they are both town. pg 25, I guess Oats was the first one to pick up the nuances of Dirk's 180. pg 26 rayn votes Dirk. Hrmph. pg 27 rayn drops everything starting with a small portion of HF's post. He really brings on the pressure, and HF doesn't buckle. Plus points for HF. contrast with pg 30 where rayn is all nice nice with Dirk. You guys can probably just stop reading here without missing anything Only person I haven't really looked into is Risen, probably because he hasn't posted as frequently. He has posted two big cases but it's hard to evaluate them. Maybe the more recent content will be helpful. pg 42, Risen comes in with a case on rayn, when there are no votes on him. So could be scum doing a false push, or town who is on the right track. Let's see how he follows up on this one. Risen's case is surprisingly solid. I apologize Risen. Maybe if you took out the parts where you point out filler (because most filters will have filler), it would have been easier to realize. In either case, Risen started his case, and received poor feedback from marv / clarity. Shameless self plug: On October 04 2013 06:23 slOosh wrote: Alright, someone who was there when it happened, maybe you can clear this up for me. Regarding rayn, how did I go from 2nd scum read to "not necessarily mafia", despite not having posted (and from what I've skimmed no one really argued well for my towniness)? Likewise Risen was his 2nd top town read, and he holds some reservations about switching his vote onto me? How is me dying (opposed to Dirk) a bad scenario? You could argue that I'm angling for a potential rayn bus. ... yea you could. I'm gonna say I was distracted from having to explain all my scummy actions earlier on. On October 04 2013 08:12 marvellosity wrote: Effectively slOosh has no scumreads, he proceeds to agree with me when I go after BH, then proceeds to agree with BH when BH claims doctor. True. This is actually true, as at the time I was scrambling to catch up and everything was too fast paced. pg 56 I drop my "i'm dying here's what I have" post. people start feeling feels, and the wagon is looking unsecure. Cue rayn's entry. Risen phone posting, looking to secure a lynch. See's BH pushing rayn wagon of justice, and is ok so joins. A stronger followup to his case would be more assuring, but it is totally understandable how little audience he has. pg 65 Risen indignant that Oats is saying he could be scum. I'd probably be that angry too. BH stole his thunder yo. So, as a pure objective observer, the lynch order should be slOosh, Dirkzor, ??? Why ??? because if I'm that wrong about Dirk then my opinions shouldn't have too much bearing 3 cycles later. I don't like a vengeful lynch on marv. Plus Dirk can flail some more with me out of the equation, and given the vast majority of town + sensible heads, shouldn't be too much of problem. p.s. paranoia says ??? should be marv because I have an unreasonable fear of his scum game, despite not actually having played against it. | ||
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slOosh
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
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Blazinghand
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Blazinghand
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slOosh
3291 Posts
Based purely on rayn's departure, Risen is the least likely I would want to lunch. I don't even think it was a potentially well planned lunch between the two. Holyflare and rayn did not eat lunch together well, so since rayn ate lunch HF doesn't. Feeling good about Oats. Last time I wanted to lunch him so hard, but someone took it away from me. Probably the same thing here. | ||
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Blazinghand
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