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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
October 03 2013 09:54 GMT
#446
Well Risen is scum mainly for not explaining his unvote on Holyflare, also his opportunistic push on Clarity after somebody raised concerns.
It feels like for me he is going from one target to the next. Like, Hey Holyflare looks scummy lets push him. Then oh man cant lynch, ok Clarity looks ok.
Yeah.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
October 03 2013 09:56 GMT
#447
meh I dont get why Dirk looks town to you, marv and clarity.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
October 03 2013 10:03 GMT
#454
On October 03 2013 18:57 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2013 18:54 Oatsmaster wrote:
Well Risen is scum mainly for not explaining his unvote on Holyflare, also his opportunistic push on Clarity after somebody raised concerns.
It feels like for me he is going from one target to the next. Like, Hey Holyflare looks scummy lets push him. Then oh man cant lynch, ok Clarity looks ok.
Yeah.


Sorry, why is going after more than one target scummy?

Also who was it that raised concerns about Clarity before Risen?

Its that he went after only 1 target at a time. Like the mindset isnt finding scum, its trying to look good.

I dont remember, but possibly sloosh.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
October 03 2013 10:07 GMT
#456
Look at this post by Dirkzor
On October 03 2013 17:06 Dirkzor wrote:
I don't think he is a good lynch if that's what you are asking...

There are something about him. He posts the way I would If I was scum. Openly and making cases without really following through with anything. Like this post Link. It is a good constructed post and actually have some good points, but where is the punch at the end. What is he trying to do beside having thread presence? So, yeah it is still somewhat feel based...


He says that Sloosh made a good post. And somehow twists it into something that is scummy. Why?
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
October 03 2013 10:11 GMT
#457
huh ok Risen was the first to say that Clarity was scummy.

Not sure how you guys think that it affects my read on him.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
October 03 2013 10:14 GMT
#461
Its not opportunistic.
Its still bad.
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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
October 03 2013 10:16 GMT
#465
Huh.
Still weird though.

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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
October 03 2013 10:26 GMT
#467
On October 03 2013 19:16 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2013 19:14 Oatsmaster wrote:
Its not opportunistic.
Its still bad.


Why is it bad?

And if it's bad, why is bad = scummy?

Oats, you need to not just SAY things, you need to explain things, or you're completely worthless.

Atm it sounds like you're clinging to a false read.

I really dont want to quote it pbp but summary of why the case is bad is,
He straight up twists what clarity is saying in his first post and also noob claims in the same paragraph.
I can tell you now I think it's almost impossible to have a scum read stronger than 60/40 day 1. It's not logical to have a scum read day 1 when there is so little to go off of.

Looks like he is trying get ready to back off his Holyflare vote IMO because there is no traction for it.
He then criticizes clarity's stance on RNG lynching and a question he had, both which make perfect sense to me and theres nothing to ask there. Risen is reaching for anything to call Clarity scum for and thats totes scummy.

Actually marv, yeah that's a very good reason to vote like that. I know you're being sarcastic in the quote, but wouldn't scum marv want to lead a lynch instead of adopting one later? Why does Clarity not see this, but instead immediately drops his pressure on marv? There's no way he has any sort of town read on marv at this point. Does clarity know something I don't?

This is just so full of bullshit. Its not scummy to lead a mislynch, leading a lynch isnt alignment indicative at all for marv. So therefore there is nothing for Clarity to see and that again, Risen is making things up to justify a scumread on Clarity.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
October 03 2013 10:30 GMT
#469
On October 03 2013 19:28 marvellosity wrote:
Alright

Don't you find, usually, that townies have totally rank confirmation bias like this?

Normally mafia aren't so ... blatant.

Yes/no?

Not really no, I mean assuming Risen is town, he must of seen enough from Holyflare to unvote and so therefore he clearly can detunnel and shit. But man, that case is so bad. Would he have confirmation bias in one case but not the other? I dont agree man.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
October 03 2013 10:39 GMT
#474
oh lol.
I just saw sloosh indirectly defend clarity then 2 posts later vote for him off like 2 posts of wiffle-waffle?
Man even I dont 180 that fast.

Especially since those posts dont contain Wiffle-waffle. In fact, if Clarity votes for BH today or tmr, barring a 'scumslip' then I will be incredibly surprised.

Sloosh needs to explain his clarity vote.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
October 03 2013 10:42 GMT
#478
Nope that 180 for Dirkzor still the scummiest thing in the thread.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
October 03 2013 10:44 GMT
#479
On October 03 2013 19:42 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2013 19:39 Oatsmaster wrote:
oh lol.
I just saw sloosh indirectly defend clarity then 2 posts later vote for him off like 2 posts of wiffle-waffle?
Man even I dont 180 that fast.

Especially since those posts dont contain Wiffle-waffle. In fact, if Clarity votes for BH today or tmr, barring a 'scumslip' then I will be incredibly surprised.

Sloosh needs to explain his clarity vote.


I'm curious how you missed this at the time, and the subsequent 10 times it's been mentioned in the thread?

Just to recap then - who are your suspicions? Dirkzor still scummiest, or?

lol probably because I was sleeping then read the thread a bit too fast.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
October 03 2013 10:46 GMT
#481
Dirkzor, how do you 180 after reading the same filter twice?
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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
October 03 2013 10:47 GMT
#483
On October 03 2013 19:44 marvellosity wrote:
lol ok.

One last thing - how do you feel about me, given my vote is on you right at this moment?

I feel that you are still really null.
But considering you know exactly how I played in Golden Sun, that vote was a bit weird. Im thinking it was a pressure vote so yeah Leaning town for now.
Depends. If we lynch scum, then you probably are town, if we dont lynch scum today then you are more likely to be scum.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
October 03 2013 10:48 GMT
#484
The only thing that makes me think that Dirkzor is town is this.

On October 02 2013 22:45 Dirkzor wrote:


If I'm scum I wouldn't draw that much attention to myself. Meh...

I find that I dont actually say this in my scum games, only my town games but maybe its just me.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
October 03 2013 10:55 GMT
#490
On October 03 2013 19:49 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2013 19:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 03 2013 19:44 marvellosity wrote:
lol ok.

One last thing - how do you feel about me, given my vote is on you right at this moment?

I feel that you are still really null.
But considering you know exactly how I played in Golden Sun, that vote was a bit weird. Im thinking it was a pressure vote so yeah Leaning town for now.
Depends. If we lynch scum, then you probably are town, if we dont lynch scum today then you are more likely to be scum.


Why is this? How often have I been in a town that's lynched mafia Day 1 in the last 6 months?

Feels a bit setup-y, Oats my boy.

Well.
Ok so we lynch scum today right. Would scum Marv be so bad as to allow his scumbuddy to be lynched? Nah I dont think so. AT THIS TIME.
And if we lynch town today, there are 8 players left right? Im town. So 2 scum 5 town.
You are more likely to be scum than today right?
YEAHH!! MATH!
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
October 03 2013 10:58 GMT
#493
On October 03 2013 19:51 Dirkzor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2013 19:46 Oatsmaster wrote:
Dirkzor, how do you 180 after reading the same filter twice?

I didn't 180. (read thread. The post you quoted earlier was me saying there is still something about him i find a bit scummy)
I didn't read the same filter twice.
I read the thread and put my thought in a post. Then after being pushed by marv and clarity went back and compared BH's and HF's filters to see where HF had sheeped BH like i felt he had. Thats when I saw that it wasn't so.

LIES.

On October 02 2013 19:10 Dirkzor wrote:
Yes he have been posting, but when I read it I don't really see any meat. Might just be me but that's how I see it. Some of his posts seems to be just for the sake of posting.

+ Show Spoiler +
On October 02 2013 12:52 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2013 12:51 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 02 2013 12:48 Holyflare wrote:
Risen, in a game of 9 players in which I know nothing about any of the players there is no better system to accept straight off than RNG. Obviously there are ways to get my attention drawn to other people, however, in a 'world heavyweight championship' as you so lovingly pointed out, is it really going to be that obvious when people screw up? I think not. Like I said in my original post, however, I am open to peoples opinions on other players.

except that we have 48 hours to find scum and its only 2/9 chance that we get scum. And probably another 4/9 that we hit an obvious townie that is obvious town after 48 hours. Now its not so useful is it?


Do you even read what is posted?

Show nested quote +
On October 02 2013 12:18 Blazinghand wrote:
Also to all the RNG doubters: RNG has a 2/7 chance of hitting scum today! Not 2/9 as you might think. Why is that?

Well, first off, I'm talking to people who aren't Oats and are town. You personally know that of the 8 non-you players, 2 are scum. So you'd think it would be a 2/8 chance of an RNG hitting scum. Pretty lame right? WRONG. If the RNG is on the doctor and the lynch starts to gather steam, he'll surely claim. This means that the doctor isn't even in the lynch pool, and we can roll again for a new RNG. this means we can discount one town player from our odds, meaning that you have a 2/7 (over 30%!) chance of lynching scum with RNG!


On October 02 2013 14:05 Holyflare wrote:
Stop posting long posts??? It's called analysis of a player. The fact that even after I've posted that you aren't asking me anything, aren't trying to discover whether I am in fact town or not and aren't trying to decipher other peoples motives is just rubbing me the wrong way. It's easy to jump on a player because he played the noob card but there are 2 scum in this game not just one. If i were to be lynched and did indeed flip town then wouldn't you regret not pressuring other people on why they think i'm a sure fire scum?



When I read through his filter it feels clinicly clean. Don't know how to describe it really... it like trying to get rotten wood look fresh on the surface.


So here I would assume you have a scumread on him.
Then

On October 02 2013 20:11 Dirkzor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2013 19:22 Clarity_nl wrote:
On October 02 2013 19:17 Dirkzor wrote:
On October 02 2013 19:13 Clarity_nl wrote:
Would still like your thoughts on oats, marv.

And i would like your thought on me instead of "Oh i'll take that ##Vote"


I could quote marvs posts if you'd like but they're right there. #Sheeple

You spend 4 paragraphs on a null read yet your scumread is hardly explained. Saying HF has done nothing means you haven't read the thread carefully enough. Reading him as most likely to be scum is bleh.

Thank you.

Ok. So I went back to find evidence that HF have been sheeping BH. Not much was found...

Only little thing was this (and it's not really worth noting in the sheeping department):

And now you think hes townie. After reading the same exact filter.
Or saying you had. Which is the same thing.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
October 03 2013 11:00 GMT
#494
On October 03 2013 19:57 marvellosity wrote:
Your faith is touching, Oats.

Sadly in Hero Mafia one of my scumbuddies did indeed get lynched Day 1. Not that that stopped me winning obviously.

2 player scumteam different from 3 player scumteam.
Anyway, yeah so far, I think my scale of scumreads are

SCUMMY__

Dirkzor
Sloosh
Risen


man that 180 so bad.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
October 03 2013 11:55 GMT
#498
Dirkzor, ok the point isnt that you 180ed, the point is that you backed off of your read and found actually a lot of evidence for HF to be town, but very little for him to be scum. Which begs the question, why did you even have a scumread on him in the first place?
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
October 03 2013 12:04 GMT
#500
Oh god, a list post! I thought these were eradicated.
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