EPTTo try to paint the active ones talking about things as scummy is the stupidest thing in the history of the universe.
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To try to paint the active ones talking about things as scummy is the stupidest thing in the history of the universe. | ||
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On October 10 2013 02:29 Risen wrote: That's not the point I'm trying to make. Who is posting content in all these things? The vast majority of it is filler. The vast majority of all this is filler and you three talking things out that could easily be done in your head. So WHY is all this happening. WHY is all this filler happening. Why is someone posting today this much that could just be done in their head? To appear active, to appear as if they are contributing. That's why I'm saying you're all scummy from this, because you're all doing it, it isn't just one of you. And why am I the only one who is seeing this? You don't fucking know what scummy means. If a townie is putting his thought process into the thread, that's NOT SCUMMY BY FUCKING DEFINITION. you literally don't know what scummy means. | ||
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thinking things out in thread is what townies do. it is not scummy. | ||
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On October 10 2013 02:02 Risen wrote: It all makes sense now, he knew I would immediately move over to Dirk, bcause I don't do meta, I play with logic, and logically Dirk was the guy. He was counting on it. But he wasn't counting on me to think on the next level of the Oats kill. He was expecting me to be mad, he wasn't expecting me to keep my cool. Oats went down because I'm not the crazy one, Oats is the crazy one and marv knew it. So marv got rid of the crazy guy who would lynch him for the hell of it Remember what I said earlier in the game about Risen being really self-centred? This post suggests he's town. As if the game revolves around him. It's just so nonsense and so self-centred as to be almost unbelievable. | ||
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Risen stop making shit up it's getting annoying | ||
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Really. Learn to read? On October 05 2013 07:30 slOosh wrote: Hey guys, I've been mulling it over, and these feels a lot like Catch 22. Scum topple, and then we hunt some dudes, and then it turns out there was some tunneling. I know because I made it to LYLO and almost lost the game. That said, I retract my initial desire to 1 for 1 for marv. Not that I'm definite that he is town, but neither am I that confident that he is scum, and it is entirely possible that I'm making a similar kind of oversight this game as well. So I'm scratching the slate and starting over. Feel free to input thoughts and whatnot as I review the game - humor me, if you will. (Oats, this is really big post, so feel free to skip it all and call me scum  )+ Show Spoiler + 9 player game, 1 dead rayn, 1 (soon to be dead doctor) BH. 1 me. That leaves 6 players I get to give a good look at, only 1 is scum. So all interactions in the thread include at least 1 town (beside those with rayn). Oats, Dirk, marv, Risen, clarity, Holyflare On October 02 2013 10:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Hey let's lynch Oats, seems reasonable. dundundun. This is rayn's first (well second post). It actually is echoing HolyFlare's vote on Oats, bringing focus upon it. Don't think rayn would be so quick to point out his partner's problematic posts, but it does seem like he is drunk or something. Chalk it up as a slight town tell for HF by association. pg 5~10 and I feel good about Oats. It's rapid fire unadulterated thoughts into the thread, and there is focus to his posts (as a whole). Feeling moderate to strong town on Oats. On October 02 2013 18:55 marvellosity wrote: Ok now I read it. He provides two quotes as contextual evidence for his non-read on Oats, and none with his scumread on Holyflare. Seems like my vote is quite good. On October 02 2013 19:11 marvellosity wrote: That's totally different reasoning to the reasoning you used last page. At least you've taken to providing contextual evidence to your scumread instead of your null read now. Yay! On October 02 2013 20:27 marvellosity wrote: So you voted a scumread based on evidence that didn't exist? Your claim was effectively that he was sheeping BH and unoriginal, and now having "checked" his filter, he is in fact not sheeping BH and original after all. At this point I feel really stupid. Marv's arguments are solid. Paranoia says that scum marv would punish poor town play like this, but I'm realizing my paranoia is not the good kind. I recall marv revisiting this interaction, especially with the quote "clinically clean". I can see what he means by this. Dirk's claim is sloppy. Either HF is doing nothing, or he is doing scummy things (sheeping BH etc.) Then he says HF is clean, indicating a lack of substance, but not noting actively scummy things. At this point I give marv a solid town read and Dirkzor a slight red read. Maybe I'll just emphatic b/c he says it's his first game in a year. Moving on, Getting bored of coloring things in. pg 16 Clarity is prodding me about my bad townread on Dirk. That's sensible. You see something strange, you call that out and you probe. pg 18 rayn enters the thread and hones in on the BH / Oats thing. Does not mention me or dirk. I understand this reflects poorly on me. Cool. pg 21 rayn gives dirk an out. I believe by now I'm already prone to confirmation bias into thinking dirk is the last scum. Feel free to disregard such statements. On October 03 2013 16:32 Clarity_nl wrote: Your vote is still on him btw. I realize you made the post about voting yourself as placeholder. You are aware you can simply unvote? Who have you looked at recently other than HF/Oats and did you develop a read out of looking at them? On October 03 2013 16:52 Dirkzor wrote: I recently looked into sloosh (and found a gem I think). I am waiting for him to answer... Also in Rayn after BH asked and his case. But you would know if you read the thread as you so kindly advocated earlier that people do before asking questions... I know my vote is on him. So? Wat? That's not a response. That's an evasion. "Opinions on HF/ Oats or anyone?" *in snarky tone* "I've obviously been looking at rayn and slOosh. dummy." K by this point either I'm onto something or I have confirmation bias and so instead I'll focus on the remaining players to see how they are. ~pg 24 marv and clarity doing lots of intertwining. KISS -> they are both town. pg 25, I guess Oats was the first one to pick up the nuances of Dirk's 180. pg 26 rayn votes Dirk. Hrmph. pg 27 rayn drops everything starting with a small portion of HF's post. He really brings on the pressure, and HF doesn't buckle. Plus points for HF. contrast with pg 30 where rayn is all nice nice with Dirk. You guys can probably just stop reading here without missing anything Only person I haven't really looked into is Risen, probably because he hasn't posted as frequently. He has posted two big cases but it's hard to evaluate them. Maybe the more recent content will be helpful. pg 42, Risen comes in with a case on rayn, when there are no votes on him. So could be scum doing a false push, or town who is on the right track. Let's see how he follows up on this one. Risen's case is surprisingly solid. I apologize Risen. Maybe if you took out the parts where you point out filler (because most filters will have filler), it would have been easier to realize. In either case, Risen started his case, and received poor feedback from marv / clarity. Shameless self plug: On October 04 2013 06:23 slOosh wrote: Alright, someone who was there when it happened, maybe you can clear this up for me. Regarding rayn, how did I go from 2nd scum read to "not necessarily mafia", despite not having posted (and from what I've skimmed no one really argued well for my towniness)? Likewise Risen was his 2nd top town read, and he holds some reservations about switching his vote onto me? How is me dying (opposed to Dirk) a bad scenario? You could argue that I'm angling for a potential rayn bus. ... yea you could. I'm gonna say I was distracted from having to explain all my scummy actions earlier on. On October 04 2013 08:12 marvellosity wrote: Effectively slOosh has no scumreads, he proceeds to agree with me when I go after BH, then proceeds to agree with BH when BH claims doctor. True. This is actually true, as at the time I was scrambling to catch up and everything was too fast paced. pg 56 I drop my "i'm dying here's what I have" post. people start feeling feels, and the wagon is looking unsecure. Cue rayn's entry. Risen phone posting, looking to secure a lynch. See's BH pushing rayn wagon of justice, and is ok so joins. A stronger followup to his case would be more assuring, but it is totally understandable how little audience he has. pg 65 Risen indignant that Oats is saying he could be scum. I'd probably be that angry too. BH stole his thunder yo. So, as a pure objective observer, the lynch order should be slOosh, Dirkzor, ??? Why ??? because if I'm that wrong about Dirk then my opinions shouldn't have too much bearing 3 cycles later. I don't like a vengeful lynch on marv. Plus Dirk can flail some more with me out of the equation, and given the vast majority of town + sensible heads, shouldn't be too much of problem. p.s. paranoia says ??? should be marv because I have an unreasonable fear of his scum game, despite not actually having played against it. On October 05 2013 08:02 slOosh wrote: I want to lunch Dirkzor. Then I don't want to lunch anyone. Marv lunch is only up there because he is really good with ketchup, but he is not eating with ketchup today. He could be hiding it well, but then clarity, would notice because they are sharing a meal. Based purely on rayn's departure, Risen is the least likely I would want to lunch. I don't even think it was a potentially well planned lunch between the two. Holyflare and rayn did not eat lunch together well, so since rayn ate lunch HF doesn't. Feeling good about Oats. Last time I wanted to lunch him so hard, but someone took it away from me. Probably the same thing here. On October 06 2013 05:00 slOosh wrote: So I guess I wasted 2~3 hours on typing up a reread? Do you guys want a case with highlighting and line breaks or something? Why Dirkzor is scum. 1) His inconsistency on HF Here is Oats' case on Dirk: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498¤tpage=25#493 Here is Clarity's case on Dirk: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498¤tpage=21#408 These have been glossed over. I'm not going to bother rehashing them. If you are calling my scummy because you are declaring me clairvoyant, then you must concede the point that Dirk's initial actions are scummy. Then for the clairvoyant argument to hold, you must prove that his actions (after I say he looks town) actually exonerate him from his earlier suspicious activity. The fact is that people's primary town reads on him come stem from his case on me. ... I'm getting really tired of this.... Umm, ok Look into rayn's filter his initial vote is dirk, but you can see he doesn't really push him. It serves as fake contribution and distances the two apart, which you suspect scum to do to some degree. I'm getting pretty upset right now over the state of affairs, but I don't know how to engage in proper discussion in-game without verbal lashing, and I really don't want to do that. Ok, I'll just roll over and die. Seriously. I gave it my best shot after a shoddy d1, I gave an earnest effort with my game reread, people's perspective on Dirk is almost rooted in the fact that he made a "decent case" on me, to the point that they are overlooking his early problem which I'm getting crap for in an unreasonable way, and that won't be gone until I flip. So I'll flip. FWIW if you guys care about what I think post flip: ##Vote: Dirkzor | ||
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On October 10 2013 02:46 Risen wrote: Then I was wrong. I've been operating under false pretenses and I will clear my mind. That doesn't mean what you've done isn't scummy, it just means I was wrong about sloosh. It means you can't be trusted on to check your facts, at the *very best*. At the worst it's just one of many things you're twisting to make me look bad (the other obvious example being references to my past games). | ||
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On October 10 2013 02:47 Dirkzor wrote: I think it's between marv and Risen. What Risen is posting is scary close to what I think myself. If we lynch either Risen or Marv today I would lynch the other D4 no matter what most likely. lol. you believe what Risen is saying despite the fact most of it is literally demonstrably untrue? Like, literally verifiably FALSE? ok ##Vote: Dirkzor | ||
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On October 10 2013 02:49 Dirkzor wrote: HF: Can you see youself lynch marv at any point? (When I flip town. Or if Risen flips town) If you get lynched, why would you want HF to lynch me, given your vote is on Risen? | ||
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people have simultaneously WAY TOO MUCH respect for my scumgame, but in the same breath NOWHERE NEAR ENOUGH respect for it. | ||
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On October 10 2013 02:54 Clarity_nl wrote: You are a paradox wrapped in a conundrum marv. On one hand, people think i'm capable of faking a massive filter filled with emotion and interaction in a manner i've literally never come close to doing before On the other hand, people believe that i'm bad enough to make the case on BH as mafia and look bad from a scum lynch on day 1 when i've literally never looked bad from a scum lynch in any of my mafia games ever the two things don't go together very well :/ | ||
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Anyway, time to go workout | ||
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On October 10 2013 03:07 Risen wrote: I'm agreeing with you? No. Don't try and fucking twist this. I'm the one who made everything on marv, you have simply sheeped ME. I'm the only one who has pressured marv through this entire game. Everyone else backs down. Don't try and make me look shitty here. Why are you trying to make me look like I'm the one doing the sheeping when it's you? I'm not playing with a fear of being played, I'm pointing out that all of you are being played, but you seem pretty sure that marv is town to me from this. You're hedging your bets with your "I'm down to lynch marv or Risen" hoping to catch someone that will mislynch with you. In a game of five people, if your vote is on marv here, a top scum read for you, that's 2 people. One of Clarity and HF has to move over. Clarity has expressed that he won't but he did the same thing with rayn. HF has expressed doubt with marv openly in thread. So it can't be that you are afraid of not being able to grab someone. Like, literally, why aren't you voting marv here? Is it because you know marv and I are town so you are trying to play us off each other? I'm town. I know I'm town, so you give me the option of marv and say you've created the marv train in the hopes that I will accept that. I created it, though. It's been slowly rolling since n1 and his bullshit with saying how my vote swap was suspicious when it was the farthest thing from suspicious possible. Like why does town marv think it's suspicious, I can't get over that, but it's the thing that's been holding me onto him this entire time. It's a strong only thing, though, like it's literally in my mind as town marv does not not see that. It's so glaring to me, but I know it's only glaring to me because I'm the only one who knows I'm town, so I have to find other things in his filter that are scummy but as far as I can tell it's only scummy the other things because I'm the one seeing it from my perspective. If I discount that then we have him making the same exact plays everyone else has been making and we have YOU. I also need to consider that a town Oats did the exact same thing as marv did. Marv can't even have sheeped onto it because marv was the first one to do it. I need to reread everything, but I'm moving my vote back to Dirk. ##unvote ##vote: Dirkzor You look at the game of mafia as a whole very, very, very wrong if you think me being suspicious of you for moving your vote AWAY from me is a scummy thing. Why would a mafia player hammer at someone for making them look good? The reason I found it suspicious is because the Oats nightkill in no way looked enough to overturn your read on me, so it looked artificial. You can argue until you're blue in the face that it's logical, but it just isn't... | ||
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like we're all scummy bastards who need to die for talking about the game? it's so odd O.o | ||
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