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On October 10 2013 00:43 Holyflare wrote:
Yeh, of course you can do that. It was the interactions that risen had after he made the case that made it seem more genuine. That, coupled with his confirmation biased aggressiveness just added to my town read of him most of the game as most of his games I've seen he has been pretty similar.
I mean, sure, it would make sense to make a case on like dirkzor or something and get everybody to train back onto him but to make a case on rayn who was on the forefront of everyones minds for a lynch just didn't make sense. Especially when he could have just voted sloosh and been done with it.
this isn't true. wasn't on anyone's mind really, and his case gained zero traction.
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AT LEAST WE BOLDED SLIGHTLY DIFFERENTLY
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if clarity is somehow mafia, then i've thought like mafia all game. that would be so depressing
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On October 10 2013 00:50 Holyflare wrote:
I meant back ~_~
There is no possible way that you could argue that how rayn was playing was not scummy. To me he was clearly the second most reasonable lynch in the game. Posts nothing but crap at the start, jumps onto someone he didn't find that scummy and then afk's on a dirkzor vote till like 20 mins at the end where he then votes sloosh over risen.
that's all very well in hindsight, however that wasn't what the thread was like at the time, which is the point.
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go read the thread.
/conversation
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rayn was getting zero traction, and risen's case didn't make rayn gain traction.
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On October 10 2013 00:54 Holyflare wrote:
So you're saying nobody agreed with a rayn lynch at all ever. That's why he's dead right? No. The only reason BH's voting went through was because of Risen's case and people thinking HE WAS SCUM IN THE BACK OF THEIR MINDS. You are being dumb.
No, I'm saying Risen made his case at a very safe time for rayn's lynchability, as proved by the fact his case did absolutely nothing to move anyone to vote for him.
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On October 10 2013 00:54 Holyflare wrote:
If the case gained no traction people wouldn't vote rayn at all.
lol people don't vote for people with last minute shenannies because they remembered a case made 24 hours ago or whatever.
Shenannies are a law unto themselves.
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On October 10 2013 00:55 Holyflare wrote:
Convinced me. If he didn't make the case I wouldn't have necessarily switched. It had reasonable points in it. Points which you refused to read too until I told you to.
but you didn't switch at the time
which is the point of making the case
you're using the fact that there was last minute shenannies to justify it post-hoc
it doesn't make sense logically what you're arguing.
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Holy, you're making the argument "no scum should ever make a case on a fellow scummer, because at some point, some undisclosed point later in the game, that case may be in the back of someone's mind"
that's not how it works.
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On October 10 2013 00:57 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 00:56 marvellosity wrote:On October 10 2013 00:54 Holyflare wrote:
If the case gained no traction people wouldn't vote rayn at all. lol people don't vote for people with last minute shenannies because they remembered a case made 24 hours ago or whatever. Shenannies are a law unto themselves. Shenanies happen exactly for the reason you said they don't. People have that suspicion from seeds planted earlier.
Sorry, how many shenannies have you been a part of? I'm guessing the answer is "infinitely less than marv"
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the shenannies happened because rayn came into the thread being a moron and BH decided he wanted to lynch him for it.
The earlier cases may then have played into how likely it was that rayn got lynched. But to connect the two is ridiculous.
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On October 10 2013 00:59 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 00:57 marvellosity wrote:
Holy, you're making the argument "no scum should ever make a case on a fellow scummer, because at some point, some undisclosed point later in the game, that case may be in the back of someone's mind"
that's not how it works. There's a difference between a case and what risen wrote and subsequently defended himself with.
then your stance is that Risen is town, fine. Don't bullshit shit reasons to justify it though. What you wrote here is a good reason.
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On October 10 2013 01:00 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 00:59 marvellosity wrote:
the shenannies happened because rayn came into the thread being a moron and BH decided he wanted to lynch him for it.
The earlier cases may then have played into how likely it was that rayn got lynched. But to connect the two is ridiculous. If I didn't have that case, I wouldn't switch, risen wouldn't therefore switch, sloosh would die and then there would still be 2 mafia left.....
THAT'S JUST HOW THE GAME WENT.
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On October 10 2013 01:00 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 00:59 marvellosity wrote:
the shenannies happened because rayn came into the thread being a moron and BH decided he wanted to lynch him for it.
The earlier cases may then have played into how likely it was that rayn got lynched. But to connect the two is ridiculous. If I didn't have that case, I wouldn't switch, risen wouldn't therefore switch, sloosh would die and then there would still be 2 mafia left.....
On October 10 2013 00:57 marvellosity wrote:
Holy, you're making the argument "no scum should ever make a case on a fellow scummer, because at some point, some undisclosed point later in the game, that case may be in the back of someone's mind"
that's not how it works.
christ
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Causality != correlation != association
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On October 10 2013 00:59 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 00:57 marvellosity wrote:
Holy, you're making the argument "no scum should ever make a case on a fellow scummer, because at some point, some undisclosed point later in the game, that case may be in the back of someone's mind"
that's not how it works. There's a difference between a case and what risen wrote and subsequently defended himself with.
ANYWAY, this is the decent argument.
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On October 10 2013 01:03 Holyflare wrote:
Are you intentionally being dumb? There were a myriad of people that risen could make a case on that were equally scummy. THERE WAS NO POINT in picking rayn. If he was a scum buddy then there is literally no reason to draw more attention to him at that point in the game. The case was beyond fucking long too which implied more than enough effort, more than he's done in the whole game. He fought for it after and was dejected when you were being a dick about it. THese are things that scum do not normally do.
you have no idea what scum normally do. you have no idea how and when certain scum bus. you have no idea about Risen.
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