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Been following along loosely, gonna take me a bit to read it all in detail though. | ||
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hated hiro's entrance but he has since been a lil better as I continued reading. still plugging away+watching football | ||
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your name was just a reference for where I was at. the following clause was about my current status, nothing to do with what reads you had. | ||
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from what I've read I don't like hiro, or Oats. Cheesecakes weird pressure vote on Oats bothered me as well. hiro for his entrance into the thread and early passivity (agree with Palmar's points here). Oats (at least up to where I stopped) hasn't started tunneling anyone yet, and is doing his 'drop a question into a bucket' thing he does as scum. I saw him engaging with the thread but had trouble figuring out what he was hoping to get from his questions and/or didn't see what he was doing with the answers he got. There's some rumblings for FT. Nothing struck me as odd about him from what I read. I'll look closer tonight. | ||
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On October 02 2013 01:06 ShiaoPi wrote: @solstice: so are you caught up yet? no. i likely won't get the block of time I need until later this week unfortunately. | ||
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from what I saw I would like to lynch hiro | ||
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On October 02 2013 01:09 ShiaoPi wrote: can you elaborate on reads you have made so far? yea I got WoS, Vayne, s&b, VE, Koshi as town reads I feel pretty good about. WoS for being engaged and furthering discussion into useful directions, s&b for a few posts that struck me as really good thinking, VE is gut, Koshi hasn't flipped his switch to 'woe is me/how does I play game/is this good?' yet so he's probably town, Vayne for lacking ad hom mainly but also for some useful contributions that I'm not used to from him. hiro entered the thread and didn't say shit about the rando lynch thing despite it being THE topic. I don't see how a townie isn't geeked out to talk about it. Hated his passive 'want to see more from X' posts. Oats may have gotten better, but what I said earlier still stands at least from what I saw. I see participation in the thread without any motive force behind it. | ||
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On October 02 2013 01:11 ShiaoPi wrote: can you perchance do filterdives on FT/VA/Mr.CC and share your thoughts on them? probably not before lynch. I'll be sheeping today : / soon though | ||
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##vote hiro protagonist All my townreads for the most part are on FT and that makes me not want to sheep after all | ||
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##vote shiaopi This would be my preference. | ||
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Still think hiro is a better lynch than both | ||
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On October 02 2013 05:11 hiro protagonist wrote: goddamnit -__- I've called you scum like 3 times. It's pretty much the most notable thing I've done, and I'm absent from your list post. Why? | ||
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just to be clear...I am scum because I haven't been chomping at the bit to get all caught up and not be useless like you were correct? | ||
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scum s0lstice: is skating by with lean reads because he can't for some reason (despite not being a dumbass) make convincing fake reads town s0lstice: is skating by with lean reads because he is operating on incomplete information due to time comstraints but still feels compelled to be present and accounted for at important events (i.e. his first lynch) again, not that I'm complaining about the time thing...but there is plenty to the town side of that and as far as I can tell you haven't made a clear case as to why one is better than the other. especially considering that I have a scum game to reference and I was in fine form in it. you want to give hiro time to do something, and he was here from day 1. I've said I am not going to be useless all game and I meant it. If I never pull through, lynch me then. EZPZ the truth is I have never been this inactive/useless as either alignment | ||
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On October 02 2013 10:35 WaveofShadow wrote: In b4 "I never do that, too bad." I guess I'm not surprised that nobody wants to know how i caught scum Oats. I'm off for now. i'm with you on scum Oats, fwiw | ||
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On October 02 2013 10:36 austinmcc wrote: We can only be dearest right now if you're town I generally play active scum and I make fake reads and play and am somewhat active. I just played a scum game where I didn't post at all D2 and then just sheeped some vote right before the lynch happened. I do not buy into people always playing the same way, so having some fine form scum games(s) doesn't mean you're town this one (especially given that replacing into a game as scum is a whole different ball game than starting as scum). Hiro has posted stuff that makes me want to get him to take stances on things he hasn't talked about. It's not just "post more", it's more "post on these specific topics" You have posted a bunch about FT, but never actually SAID anything about him. Even more than VA's WHO SHOT BH? post, your FT comments are pure air. Never substantiated, constantly mentioned, and relatively important to the game given that he was up for lynch. ALSO IF YOU'VE NEVER BEEN THIS INACTIVE/USLESS AS EITHER ALIGNMENT THEN I DON'T THINK IT MATTERS WHETHER YOU WERE ACTIVE SCUM IN SOME OTHER GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAME. IT DOESN'T MATTER AT AAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLL. AND WHEN I'VE REPLACED IN AS SCUM I'VE BEEN INACTIVE, BUT REPLACING IN AS TOWN I USUALLY START COMING TO LIFE AFTER A BIT SO IT MAKES ME THINK EVEN MORE YOU ARE SCUM. Sorry. Find you scummy. If you're townie we can makeup after the game, but no kissing because I got hot dog stand lady breath and you don't want none of that. dude, you cited my capability as town to make good reads and good posts. thats meta. when you meta you have to provide both sides. that's why I said I haven't played like this as either alignment i.e. meta is going to be mostly useless at this point | ||
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On October 02 2013 10:42 austinmcc wrote: Fair (but you're still mafiaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa). Care to substantiate your FT read? Or talk about something else. Right now I'm going to be generally scummy on you because of what I've seen. And I will try to convince others you're scummy. If you're town, spend time doing townie stuff and don't argue with me solely about what's already happened in this game or others. sorry had to take care of noir basically, you just don't want to wait. I wish you would...Thursday is gonna be my opportunity to catch up and be useful. Won't be looking very town until then. But if I'm past the arbitrary austin clock then so be it. | ||
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game on though. if im dead before thursday you are gonna owe me like 3 postgame hotdogs because im town | ||
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On October 03 2013 04:49 Koshi wrote: rofl. How? I don't even know 1 member... well, scum have the benefit of removing 2 extra people from the player pool. the perspective on the game is totally different too. | ||
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On October 03 2013 05:07 Koshi wrote: Pretty sure s0lstice is scum now. ##vote: s0Lstice wat. | ||
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On October 03 2013 05:10 Palmar wrote: fuck it, I'm in ##vote: S0lstice youve said like twice now 'guys i havent read the replacements yet.' and you still havent. i mean this is totally egocentric, but being that ive given so little to go off of im perturbed that you are so blase in regards to me. are you scum? | ||
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yea his points are really convincing. i liked the part where he was like 's0lstice is scum.' | ||
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yea your general apathy while still being a major participant concerns me ##vote Palmar Koshi I'll have to wait to OMGUS you later, but it might get awkward cuz i think you're town | ||
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On October 03 2013 08:29 Pandain wrote: They don't have to be they could be on different teams A question for you. If you were scum, how would you treat the other scum team? | ||
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On October 03 2013 12:24 Pandain wrote: You have been twisting statements, adding only when it suits you, while failing to contribute to overall discussion. You are voting FT because of SnB. Do you have reasons right now you can you are voting him besides meta and if so tell me them now and I will dissect them. Do not take too long. I don't agree with the bolded. You may not like his contributions, but they are still contributions. I see him popping in at times where a townie is expected to be weighing in and offering his thoughts. He never pushes lynches really, so there's that too. Also lack of ad hom. That's another thing. Haters say to not meta vayne...I don't listen. | ||
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On October 03 2013 12:54 Pandain wrote: That's partly his meta, though. And I'd be willing to give him benefit of doubt that he's mannered up. However, people who focus on role set-up and what happened tend to be scum from my experience. I was found out for the exact reason of focusing on the night actions too much while trying to see reactive in Brighton Mafia Every game I have played with Vayne..town or scum..he pubicly walks himself through night actions. This set-up is like a wet-dream for him. So many fun possibilites. I agree with you on Palmar though, let's kill him. Join me. Also, what do you think of Oats? | ||
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On October 03 2013 12:56 Pandain wrote: That's poor reasoning for some reason I think. I think you should vote Vayne now or tell me a better option so I can dissect you. Well you see, that there is a joke. I'm cool with killing Palmar or Oats atm. Palmar for ignoring some pretty important filters (replacements) which flies in the face of the notion of him being an active participant of the town who is trying to solve the game. Oats for asking weird questions and not doing anything with them. He isn't screaming on every page to kill a tunnel target. Kill with fire. There was also a bit about him giving Rayn shit for giving Palmar a town read when he himself was operating under a Palmar=town assumption. When I actually have time to quote a bunch of posts I'll make that a lil more clear. | ||
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On October 03 2013 13:06 Pandain wrote: You could try and vote me but you'd probably be scum then as you have no justification. I refuse to be shut down and believe FT is town. He always plays like this. Your reasons are weak. Besides his awful vote Palmar has been pretty town with contributions and logical posts. It's just suddenly he threw a sudden wrench and voted Shiao despite clearer suspicions on FT just to "prove Rayn wrong." Vayne is scummy for more reasons and it is more conclusive. That is the weirdest statement to remember of all time that someone always walks themselves through night actions I think you are trying to make justifications to not vote Vayne which are really weak. Let me approach it in several different ways: 1. Vayne will always end up becoming a hassle for town later as it is really hard to tell his alignment. In fact my only good read is that he's focusing too much on role actions and is revealing more information then town has. Failing this lynch, he will always be up for a lynch later which given this game scum will probably force anyway if Vayne is town. Better to get him out of the way. 2. Vayne is clearly not blue so that's a good thing. 3. Vayne has asked not to be checked despite before saying check me 5. If you like OMGUS Heavily contrasts with him today which, based on meta analysis of SnB flipping scum, is associative with FT being scum. Poor reason to change. Concerning the night action thing, If someone does something as both alignments its not alignment indicative. This is not a small point. Instead of fighting it you could actually go look and see if I'm right. past that...your points are: 1)he is hard to read 2)is not blue 3+4) said 'don't check me! lol .gif' 5) is the only real one with merit. 1-4 are pure garbage. | ||
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On October 03 2013 13:10 Pandain wrote: Ignoring filters isn't proof that someone is scum. You also assume that active participants must look at every filter. I'm ignoring Oats for a bit as I don't think he's quite indicative of scum yet Elaborate on this. I don't agree that good active townies don't want at least some opinion on every player in the game. | ||
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On October 05 2013 05:31 austinmcc wrote: I do not want to kill Pandain next. While he did try and skirt Palmar as the alternative to FT, he put in so much fanatical work that I think he would have given up sooner/done less as scum. This is correct. Pandain was way too try-hard this day. When he was doing his Vayne thing, Palmar was by no means a sure thing. Don't look too far into it i.e. Pandain was trying to save Palmar! FT had a looot of play throughout the day. Oats is next imo. | ||
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On October 05 2013 05:37 VayneAuthority wrote: You know where this is going and this post is very suspicious but still can't say anything... you are a cutie | ||
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On October 05 2013 05:38 WaveofShadow wrote: Uhhhh Hi solstice? Ugh I'm starting to think you were the one who was right about more stuff now Austin. I hate that solstice JUST showed up. yea I was no sure thing at the last one too. deadline is in the middle of normal business hours. got here a lil later today | ||
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On October 05 2013 05:45 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: We cab lynch solstice or oats tmrw right? Maybe pandain... My epeen needs a boost Oats tomorrow my good man, we'll celebrate with cheesecake together. | ||
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austin is really the only person who has even given reasons for me being scum or talked to me about it. everyone else just throws my name in there. i'd say its scummy but hell so many people are doing it some of them have to be town. | ||
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On October 05 2013 05:56 WaveofShadow wrote: You don't even care about my townread on you huh? ok. i totes saw it...but then you hedged it with your comments about austin being right. now im not sure what you think. I'm more worried about the Mr. CC's, the Vaynes of the world. They got votes and are happy to just lump me in a list because who knows. one of these cycles its gonna come down to my being on the block, and this needs to be addressed now. we are in a decent spot even with hiro dying. my lynch would be an unnecessary wrench in the works. | ||
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On October 05 2013 05:57 VisceraEyes wrote: My reasoning is explicit. It's not super strong or anything, but that's where I'm at with you. Null leaning scum. something is better than nothing. id say ive been transparent, but verbose not really due to time. | ||
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On October 05 2013 06:01 VisceraEyes wrote: I can sympathize. Your back and forth with austin looked good early on, I'd like to see more of that kind of thing...but with more content and with less jokeyjokey if yaaaamean. word. talk to me about Pandain then. I don't want to kill him for spending a lot of time leading us away from Palmar. Agree/disagree? | ||
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On October 05 2013 06:05 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Solstice so paranoid about getting lynched. Let's lynch him! dohoho did you participate in the Day 2 lynch at all? describe your actions as you see them. | ||
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On October 05 2013 06:18 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Nice job attacking my credibility BRO. Not really, but at least i showed up to lynch scum. U scum. Yea showed up is about all you did. Talk to me about this chain of posts. On September 28 2013 00:40 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: VA because of Noir. You because I wanted to see your reaction. ##Vote: Oatsmaster Look at this guy he is obviously mafia etc etc. On September 28 2013 00:46 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: VE are you mafia? I expected mafia to jump all over that vote on oats. And look, you're jumping all over it. On September 28 2013 00:50 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: It's probably the easiest thing for scum to pick out. If you were town, you'd have realized that it was bait for somebody to call me out on it, and I figured if Oats was mafia he'd be like WOW obvious scum here. I get the best reads when people think I'm scum--Speaking of which, do check noir I want to know your read of me there. Me no likey. This is the most preposterous reason to be suspicious of someone I have ever seen. Smacks of pretense. What were you trying to accomplish here and what have you dont with it? | ||
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On October 05 2013 06:30 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Solstice, you ignore the fact that VE is my townread atm. Oats did do something weird with that vote on him, though, but i didnt think anything of it at the time. you didnt answer what I asked you. | ||
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On October 05 2013 06:40 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I was trying to bait oats into calling me scum. He'd be like "shit dude thats a bad vote you mafia totally"... Instead he was just paranoid about that vote, which is important. right but that action resulted in you going at VE. that's the part I'm interested in. | ||
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On October 05 2013 06:41 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Solstice do you even think im mafia? Yea i think you could be. That weird Oats vote plus not really caring about our Day 2 lynch makes you pretty suspicious to me. | ||
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On October 05 2013 06:52 VisceraEyes wrote: He keeps not answering the part of the question you're interested in - and that I'm interested in now that you ask it. He's beating around the bush so much that all the leaves have fallen off. agreed | ||
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On October 05 2013 06:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I dont understand what im supposed to answer here. shortly after VE did something which supposedly puts him on your radar, you seemingly do nothing with it. He's your town read now, I get that, but after those posts I quoted it didn't take very long for you to get back to +1ing his posts. I want to know what VE did that made you feel better in between those two times, because otherwise your little gambit was just a pretense. | ||
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On October 05 2013 06:59 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Oh, about how i went on VE for it. It was to fish for reactions, specifically from Oats. VE reacted weird to it and i called him out on it. Came to realize that was normal for VE so i got distracted by him. yea i dont love this. gotta think on it. | ||
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On September 27 2013 20:49 Oatsmaster wrote: So Palmar, FT and Grack scumbuddies? Quote from day 1. Is this sincere? Why did you say this? | ||
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On October 05 2013 12:44 WaveofShadow wrote: Yeah I kinda realized that partway through---the issue becomes I'm not going to be able to determine specifically who that third member is, but I can find scum in general. Yea, talk to me what you just said about austin. Maybe it's just paranoia but I got little niggling doubts myself. Was that just a gut thing? | ||
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On October 05 2013 12:47 Oatsmaster wrote: Cant remember, probably because of some association. But it wasnt a joke. Why? 2 of them flipped town. because in the quotes after that you give rayn shit for avoiding a townread on Palmar On September 27 2013 23:04 Oatsmaster wrote: Leading on, rayn, how do you have these townreads on me and VE? On September 27 2013 23:06 Oatsmaster wrote: But Palmar is? I dont understand man. On September 27 2013 23:09 Oatsmaster wrote: I kinda do need to understand how you formulate reads to know if you are town or scum. For example, I think that your current reads on me and VE are not very well substantiated and you are avoiding giving Palmar a town read for no good reason. Those aren't very far after. Seemingly contradictory, no? | ||
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On October 05 2013 12:47 austinmcc wrote: If we lynch you and you flip town, then yes we'll look at the filter from a townie pov. And yeah, it's a bit silly to tell you to solve the game. But whatever. Do what you want, make some posts, maybe get Oats to scumclaim if he's actually scum. If you're town, channel your post-lynch motivation and your inner-VA to get some correct reads and rub them in my face later (with the caveat that inner-VA refers to how much you relish rubbing something in someone else's face and not correctness of reads). Or some wrong reads and then rub then in my face. Or someone else's face. why are you so slimy? | ||
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On October 05 2013 12:55 Oatsmaster wrote: I give rayn shit for having a seemingly inconsistent read on me and VE. How come rayn gives me and VE a town read but not Palmar for doing basically the same thing. Especially since he said that Palmar's posts make sense and all that. Thats what I was asking and pressuring him about. The scumteam guess was unrelated at all. Ok I get it. Not meant as an insult but you and Risen are cut from the same cloth ;D | ||
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On October 05 2013 13:07 VisceraEyes wrote: Because he demands actions speak for townies, but can't call me scum in spite of every action I take being anti-town. That's why. he gives me funny feels. everytime I read something from him I feel like I'm listening to a car salesman. I don't think I recall seeing that from him before. | ||
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On October 05 2013 13:07 austinmcc wrote: Don't know! Probably cuz I'm chatting with someone I think is mafia? Or you're imagining things. Or I'm enjoying this game a little too much right at the moment. I will admit that I spent some time watching some episodes of Torchwood today that involved some sort of thing emitting some sort of slime. Also possible that you're picking up on the slime I was looking at earlier. I mean maybe this? Just so odd from you. We've played together a lot. It's like you're gloating right now with every post. | ||
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On October 05 2013 13:09 VisceraEyes wrote: What do we think about austin/Pandain/Cheesecake scumteam? Eh...Pandain looks pretty town to me. CC could totes be scum. | ||
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On September 28 2013 00:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: If you were scum, I'd think you'd yell at me for making a terrible vote like that. On September 28 2013 00:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: You so paranoid, I don't feel like taking the time to ##Unvote. Oh, there we go! It is interesting that you care about that 1 vote on you. Oats has the correct reaction (not freaking out) but then CC finds a reason to go after him anyway? Then at VE...who does what mafia are supposed to do and jumps on it. On September 28 2013 00:55 VisceraEyes wrote: This is a waste of time. Vote for me if you think I'm scum, otherwise shut up you're not making any sense. And CC says: On September 28 2013 00:58 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Palmar if you set up the Random lynch I'm down. VE I still think you're town, but the vote was a reaction test for Oats. So VE fails the test supposedly, is town. Oats passes, but oops still mafia. Its like he had his conclusions picked out before doing it...hence pretense. | ||
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X is scum because he is trying to make this association...along those lines | ||
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On October 05 2013 13:24 WaveofShadow wrote: But didn't he remove his vote from Oats? He did, but he continued to soft that Oats was mafia in the very same post. Its like the test changed his opinion of Oats not at all. | ||
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On October 05 2013 13:19 s0Lstice wrote: @WoS his early vote on Oats Oats has the correct reaction (not freaking out) but then CC finds a reason to go after him anyway? Then at VE...who does what mafia are supposed to do and jumps on it. And CC says: So VE fails the test supposedly, is town. Oats passes, but oops still mafia. Its like he had his conclusions picked out before doing it...hence pretense. | ||
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this thing you have going with Wave reeks bad | ||
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everything you've done recently rubs me the wrong way. like, there hasn't been anything objectively scummy said, but you are NOT passing the feel check. I'm not ignoring the warning bells any longer. This cat and mouse with WoS feels very contrived from your end. | ||
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On October 04 2013 12:35 Chairman Ray wrote: Hey I'm back now, and I did a quick read through the thread. Definitely impressed by all the reads and information people have been giving. You guys are definitely carrying me here . Anyways, my personal opinion, I think it's best to go after people that have a possibility to be on a scumteam with SnB. If we can get rid of one scumteam, then the KP goes down. Reading through the filters, I think the strongest disconnect with SnB is probably Palmer. For this reason, even though Palmer might be a good lynch candidate, I wouldn't vote him myself just because I want to get rid of SnB's scumteam first. After a quick analysis, I don't think that there's much of a chance that VA and FT are on the same scumteam, and Palmer and FT are on the same scumteam either. There's a weak disconnect between VA and palmer, but that can go either way. So using the four people - VA, SnB, FT, and Palm, I will try to see if I can map out their alliance. Scenario A Scumteam: SnB, VA FT and Palmer cannot occupy third spot, and they are also disconnected, so one must be other scumteam, one must be town Scenario B Scumteam: SnB, FT VA and Palmer cannot occupy third spot. They can both be other scumteam, or one of the is scum, one is town. Among the three people VA, FT, and Palmer, here's the information that we will get from lynching them: VA - If he flips scum with SnB, then either FT or Palmer must be town. If he flips opposite scum, then FT is likely scum, or else both FT and Palmer are town. If he flips town, then FT and Palmer can be scum on opposite teams, or one is scum, one is town. FT - If he flips scum with SnB, then out of VA and palmer, one or both is on the other scumteam. If he flips other scumteam, then, Palmer is town, and VA is can either be town or scum with SnB, more likely scum with SnB. If he flips town, then we don't know much about Palmer and VA. Palmer - I don't want to lynch him, but if he flips other scumteam, then it doesn't say much about VA and FT, and if he flips town, it doesn't say much either. There's also solstice, which some people are pushing to vote. I think the only disconnect that can even be drawn with him is with Palmer, but it's not a very strong one. I also doubt he's gonna be lynched today, so there isn't much of a point trying to piece him in. I will do that tomorrow. Right now, I think I'm gonna put my vote on FT since there isn't that big a benefit lynching VA over him, and plus, I wanna save Palmer. ##Vote: FirmTofu He is lynchbait typically as I understand it. I'm having a lot of difficulty rationalizing the town points this post gets due to the timing (no pressure on him, some creative thoughts, some carelessly wrong thoughts), with his overall apathy in participating in key events in the thread as they happen. I just have no idea what to do with this guy. | ||
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On October 06 2013 02:29 austinmcc wrote: Look at his past games. Look at his posts this one. There are less, they're generally very well-constructed and almost never spur of the moment little comments. He rarely sticks around. A lot of his scumhunting is bolstered by ... events, by votes, by flips, by something other than just filters. It's not just that he's not doing these weird votes to try and make something happen and out mafia, he's OVERLY cautious, very apologetic, and never just straight sitting down and scumhunting. To the extent you like disappearing after lynch, as some other people have mentioned in this thread, as a scumtell, CR not only hasn't been around but this is, as best I can tell, the first time he's seen a scum lynch on TL. In both other games he was a D1 mislynch. In this game, SnB flips scum and CR's response is:Palmar flips scum and CR's response is:There is no joy in mudville. Combine that with the fact that there's a limited pool of possible mafia players, and he's mafia. I would say the quote of his I put there is pretty exemplary of the bolded. You do not think so? | ||
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On October 06 2013 02:44 austinmcc wrote: It is, I'm just saying it goes deeper than that. Look at the rest of his sizeable posts where he gives reads or votes. - + Show Spoiler + On September 28 2013 18:01 Chairman Ray wrote: Vote on koshi bolstered by long post and lots of RNG / what would I do as koshi if mafia/town chat. Lots of RNG, lots of hypothetical, less about HERE IS WHAT KOSHI DID AND THIS THING IS SCUMMY VOTE VOTE.Oh, only 11 hours left. I definitely won't be here tomorrow for endgame, so I'm gonna stay up late tonight to try to catch up. I've lightly skimmed through posts so far, and I take it that Koshi is winning votes because of RNG? Filtering through his posts, it's pretty clear that he's aggravated by this decision by town. I'm gonna put myself in his shoes for a sec. If I was town, and everyone was gonna RNG lynch me, then I would just be like wtf... I definitely wouldn't be angry since it's not due to my own lack of skill or other people's misreads, but sheer luck instead. Once I flip town, then the townies will just feel really stupid for doing it and I'd be okay with that. Now what if I was in Koshi's shoes and I was mafia? I would probably be a bit aggravated to push town off me, and if I flip red, then people will probably celebrate at my expense. But the thing is that I am not Koshi, so I don't share his feelings or thought process, so this read might be off. To people that have played with Koshi before, would you expect this kind of behavior from town or mafia Koshi? I definitely think that by his behavior, he is more likely mafia. Another thing that's consistent with Koshi being mafia is that there are others trying to save him. If Koshi were town, then it could be possible that there is no effort to save him, light effort to save him, or heavy effort to save him. Anything is possible. If Koshi were mafia, I would bet that his mafia buddies wouldn't give up on him so easily, especially on D1. Since the RNG thing is so stupid, then his mafia buddies could easily make a case for it and not seem scummy in the process. So if Koshi were mafia, I would bet that there is some heavy effort to save him. Right now, we do see some heavy effort, in the form of the yamato train. Although this could happen if Koshi was either town or mafia, I suspect it is more likely if he were mafia. Because of these reasons, I think there's a good chance that Koshi is actually scum, and we got really lucky with the RNG. Just for now ##Vote: Koshi I will be up for a bit more reading through posts. I would like to think about it a bit more before leaving for the night with a read that came from RNG. On September 30 2013 07:43 Chairman Ray wrote: Springboarding off BH kill into minor-BH-flip-reliant reads.I've been looking over the thread a bit, especially at the BH kill. It's possible that he got killed by both mafia, or just one mafia, or got shot by the police. However I don't think police would shoot someone on the first night, especially not BH. I would just narrow it down to one or both mafia teams shooting BH. If only one of them shot BH, then the other either did a drive by or got vested. I think we should try to determine if one of the scum teams did a drive by, because that would give us really good information going into day 3. If someone comes out and says they vested and it blocked a shot, we can confirm that neither of the scum teams have 2 KP. As for killing BH, from reading the thread, I think BH was killed by someone who had some sort of relation to him. Most of BH's posts were about the whole RNG thing. If I was scum, I wouldn't shoot BH in hopes that he wastes more time on d2. This leads me to believe that the scum team that shot BH wasn't just 3 lurkers, and at least one of them had to have some strong interaction with BH. So I think there are three possible motives: 1. BH was shot because he was strongly pushing against FT and this kill was to protect FT. This kill also really puts the spotlight on FT, but at the same time that's also a reason scum could use to make FT seem innocent. In the end, it becomes an endless chain or circular logic that we can't really look into. The simplest solution is that this kill really benefited FT, and I think FT looks scummy because of it. 2. BH was shot so that a discussion can be made around FT, which creates a diversion from someone else who already looks kinda scummy. If this were true, it would also be consistent with my read that the scum team isn't 3 lurkers with no relation to BH. I would need to read more into the thread to see who could be scum in this case. 3. Near the end, BH was giving a strong townread on palmer. Palmer was active at this point. BH might have been killed so to give his townread on palmer more credibility. This gives Palmer an incentive to kill BH if he was scum. However, looking through his filter, I actually think Palmer is quite town, so I dunno here. One other thing I am willing to gamble on is that Palmer and FirmTofu cannot be in the same scum team. Killing BH would draw way too much unnecessary attention on them, and also it would be really weird for them to kill BH when he's giving a scumread on one of them and a townread on the other. I don't think they would kill BH even to be meta. Right now I'm going to be looking more into FT. However, I don't want to vote him this early on simply because he's the easiest target, and if he flips town, it will not put us in a good position. On September 30 2013 08:38 Chairman Ray wrote: One of a few uncomplicated, normal "I think this guy is scum for reasons within his filter."Looking through filters, I am a bit concerned about ShiaoPi. He was pretty active on D1, but most of his activity was just one liners to get people to go through with the RNG lynch and a couple short posts shrugging off FT analysis as lynchbait. He's obviously active, and has a lot of mafia experience, so I would expect a lot more analysis or reads coming from him (unless this is what he does every game). I'm liking the FT lynch a lot more now, because it may tell us something about ShiaoPi. On October 01 2013 14:00 Chairman Ray wrote: This is a vote, and for in-thread reasons, and some other reads for in-thread reasons. But he lumps it ALL together, packaged up, and only responds to Vayne attacking that post hard. Like, he makes some reads, but they are in a single, solitary post, jumbled with a vote, and the vote is just a single thing tacked onto all the reads. It's not so much the MEAT of the post.Hey I'm back from work. I spent some time catching up on this thread, and I would like to give the few reads I have right now. I think it's safe to say that FirmTofu and ShiaoPi are not associated. I say this because FirmTofu is strongly going on ShiaoPi. If those two were of the same mafia faction, using bussing as a strategy is pointless since we have two mafia factions. All that's gonna happen is one being lynched tonight and the other the next night. Because of this, I'm going to assume they are not associated. Between FirmTofu and ShiaoPi, I like FirmTofu a lot more. Now that he's under a lot of pressure, instead of spending all his efforts explaining himself, he's trying to find better scum targets. He posted some good reads on ShiaoPi and myself. If FirmTofu goes after some of the really good players here, that would really show me he's town, because mafia would probably try to redirect the lynch onto the easiest targets. So I think there's still a good chance FirmTofu will flip scum, but overall, his last few pages still gave me better confidence. ##Unvote My strongest townread right now are on Koshi and austin. I think Koshi may be town because of the way he's playing. If he were mafia, after almost getting lynched the first day, the natural response would be to compensate by looking overly town. Looking through his filter, he's actually playing similarly to D1. I don't see any longposts, or tunneling, or strong reads on people. It's as if he doesn't need to prove that he's town. This reads pretty town to me. I think austin is town just because he's being very active right now without any obligation. Whoever the other replacement is still hasn't really been active yet, and there are a couple lurkers, so if he posts very little, he still wouldn't risk being lynched or shot. Additionally, he seems very caught up in the thread. If I were mafia, I would probably skim through pages at most, and tell people that I'm catching up, just so nobody expects me to do much. I think another person that looks kinda scummy to me is VayneAuthority. His last few posts were just complaining about lurkers and lack of contribution, and also a couple images. I think that if a town wanted more activity and information, he would start being more active himself, and pressure people to give information. Merely complaining about people lurking, or the general lack of activity in this thread doesn't actually make things better, plus, it also demoralizes townies. It really sets an alarm off for me when he says that he's "fine just chillin' until we lose". I think he's saying these things because he's mafia, and he's trying to give us an excuse to let him be passive. ##Vote VayneAuthority On October 04 2013 13:05 Chairman Ray wrote: Some in thread reasons, but again bolstered by "oh yeah but he might be town except even if he's town we should lynch him anyway."Alright, I just read through some stuff again, and I think I agree with some of Pandain's analysis. It's pretty clear to me now that VA is the best target to lynch today. VA persisted to do everything that I criticized him of earlier on. Plus, he also called out WoS a couple times for using ad hom. I think someone with VA's personality would be completely impervious to any sort of ad hom, and I think it's another way to redirect the discussion onto something else - a strategy that he is quite good at. So my scumread on VA is stronger now than before. However there is still the possibility that VA is town though, and everything we've seen so far is exactly how he plays. But even in this scenario, we should still lynch VA. The reason is because we should not allow town to intentionally play very scummy and very unproductive. What if VA gets scum in a future game? What if nobody lynches him just because they can't read him? What is he going to contribute to town? We probably shouldn't let his playstyle be allowed to foster, so I'm gonna put my vote on him instead of FT. ##unvote ##Vote: VayneAuthority Compare them to the two other games, where he has some shorter suspicions, posts about THIS GUY IS MAFIA BECAUSE X, THE END, NO MORE READS, and it looks a little scummier. He may have been told not to be a sneaky snake, but his posts are different in structure and in...objective here. Rarely just scumreads/scumhunting, and again, super prepackaged. Talk to me about how there being two scum teams this game could be a fly in the ointment as far as this is concerned. I've been over this in my own head and it doesn't seem you have considered it.. | ||
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There is MUCH more potential for connections and weird scum interplay this game, and it seems CR likes tackling that stuff. I wanna hear what you think of that austin. | ||
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On October 06 2013 03:17 austinmcc wrote: Third sentence not entirely sadface. I'd just look elsewhere first. elsewhere where? there is just not enough room for 4 more mafia amongst my current set of reads. rationalizing your weird behavior with those constraints is legitimizing my suspicions of you. I don't really think I'm just being paranoid now. This is the epitome of a feels read. I think CR is town, too. Doubt over. | ||
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On October 06 2013 03:36 austinmcc wrote: Elsewhere like CR and WoS. Oats not awful, but an option. Cheese not awful, but an option. Not sure where they rank right now in relation to VA, still think pandain looks townie for yesterday. I assume I can't add you to your list, not sure where you rank right at the moment. Can you just tell me flat out if WoS is mafia or not? I feel like you've done everything short of that. | ||
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On October 06 2013 03:36 austinmcc wrote: Elsewhere like CR and WoS. Oats not awful, but an option. Cheese not awful, but an option. Not sure where they rank right now in relation to VA, still think pandain looks townie for yesterday. I assume I can't add you to your list, not sure where you rank right at the moment. this is also pretty interesting considering you have a lot more to go off of now. so I am null? | ||
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On October 06 2013 06:37 Koshi wrote: I am sad VA doesnt love me for shooting his scumread. But yeah, dnu what is up with VA atm. can I ask why you have been such a meek confirmed cop? you could pretty much run this town however you want and you seem to have no desire to be a leader. | ||
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On October 06 2013 06:38 WaveofShadow wrote: Alright I'm gonna team with VA and I suppose Austin on this for now. ##Vote: Chairman Ray CR I had thought you were town for a while but you're not here, you're not helping and you're not posting. Gotta be wrong about somebody and I'm going to start with you. Get here and get involved so I and other people can get a better read on you. nooo dude is town. he's always not here and not helping | ||
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On October 06 2013 06:42 VisceraEyes wrote: Is this question designed to find scum in some fashion? not really. satisfying some paranoia that Wave made well up in me with his comment on Koshi | ||
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lets start with me and hiro. the first thing hiro and me did in the QT was talk about how to distancing eachother from ourselves. My idea. I shouldnt have to explain why this is important. My day one is full of soft pressure on hiro: On October 01 2013 00:58 s0Lstice wrote: right well I'm here, taking me awhile to catch up. I'm about to say fuck it and just start playing from here on (with a helpful summary for pages 40-now from someone) but we'll see how much time I get tonight. I didn't want to say much without having a complete picture of the goings on but if that means I never start talking then it's no good. from what I've read I don't like hiro, or Oats. Cheesecakes weird pressure vote on Oats bothered me as well. hiro for his entrance into the thread and early passivity (agree with Palmar's points here). Oats (at least up to where I stopped) hasn't started tunneling anyone yet, and is doing his 'drop a question into a bucket' thing he does as scum. I saw him engaging with the thread but had trouble figuring out what he was hoping to get from his questions and/or didn't see what he was doing with the answers he got. There's some rumblings for FT. Nothing struck me as odd about him from what I read. I'll look closer tonight. On October 02 2013 01:15 s0Lstice wrote: yea I got WoS, Vayne, s&b, VE, Koshi as town reads I feel pretty good about. WoS for being engaged and furthering discussion into useful directions, s&b for a few posts that struck me as really good thinking, VE is gut, Koshi hasn't flipped his switch to 'woe is me/how does I play game/is this good?' yet so he's probably town, Vayne for lacking ad hom mainly but also for some useful contributions that I'm not used to from him. hiro entered the thread and didn't say shit about the rando lynch thing despite it being THE topic. I don't see how a townie isn't geeked out to talk about it. Hated his passive 'want to see more from X' posts. Oats may have gotten better, but what I said earlier still stands at least from what I saw. I see participation in the thread without any motive force behind it. On October 02 2013 04:19 s0Lstice wrote: @austin: tell me how I express guilt, specifically as it retains to an internet forum. you must know as it's important to your read on me. ##vote hiro protagonist All my townreads for the most part are on FT and that makes me not want to sheep after all This is like all I did. I even fought for credit for it later in a little exchange we orchestrated: On October 02 2013 04:57 hiro protagonist wrote: real quick before the deadline. Most likely town: VE, WoS, Grack, Koshi, austin null: Palmer, ryan, VA, CR. People I once thought as town, but are now slightly scummy: SaB, Panda, Oats Scummy: Shiao... damn, doin up this list makes me realize how little other strong scum reads I had... On October 02 2013 05:16 s0Lstice wrote: I've called you scum like 3 times. It's pretty much the most notable thing I've done, and I'm absent from your list post. Why? I put pressure on him which amounted to nothing in the end. Exactly how I wanted it. I was a little worried at the turnout as I placed my vote on him close to deadline. Rayn says something about wasting votes so I moved to shiaopi with little real reasoning. This is because I did this at hiro's urging and I didn't have much of an opinion myself as I was still catching up. | ||
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N1: precision shot VE/ambulance hiro N2: precision shot SnB/prius on WoS (confirms WoS) as town. So about N1. Here's hiro in thread: On September 28 2013 16:51 hiro protagonist wrote: Sense everyone else is given out there scum teams: VE/FT/ and mayyyyyybeeeee ShiaoPo On September 28 2013 17:44 hiro protagonist wrote: Yep. BH get in here and fix this mess you started! The real work will be sorting out the those that are trolling as town vs those who are trolling as mafia. I get the feeling that VE is was starting shit for fun and then let it get out of control. His fault, but not necessarily a scummy move. just a bad move. WoS on the other hand... He has been doing antitown shit all day, but I feel his actions have more intention behind them than VE's does. Hes on my radar. starting out with VE suspicion. He was pretty nervous about VE's scum game in QT. I didn't have a problem with the check. After the check: On September 30 2013 09:55 hiro protagonist wrote: BH noooo. Anyway, looks like some people got some questions. first off, my "scum slip" in posting only one scumteam. That post was more emotional than logical. I was Mad at the state of the thread at the time and kinda took it out on WoS and VE, who I felt deserved the most responsibility for its current state. look at that post in context with my other posts at the time: + Show Spoiler + On September 28 2013 16:43 hiro protagonist wrote: Time to call out some bullshit: What the fuck is this? First you act all apathetic, and now, after making some sob story about how a bad town "broke your heart", your gonna do the same bad town play? especially after posts like this: FT, scum in your book, but oh whats that? VE says I should Rado lynch? good enough for me, lets make history and do TL's first ever Rado lynch yaaaaahhhh!!! hey guys, VE made me do it... On September 28 2013 16:51 hiro protagonist wrote: Sense everyone else is given out there scum teams: VE/FT/ and mayyyyyybeeeee ShiaoPo On September 28 2013 17:03 hiro protagonist wrote: If where done trolling for the moment I would like to bring up this: I like this because I feel the exact same way about Yamato atm. He is not as grating as he normally is when town. When conversing with people, he is being direct, but trying not to stir the pot to hard. Not normal townie Yamato. I would right up a more detailed case on the mater, but Panda pretty much covered it. My 2 strongish town reads (Panda, and Oats) want him dead. Yamato is scum, and I will be lynching him. Anyway, Ive been out and about most of the day(seriously, gonna echo Palmer here and say we shouldn't start games on the weekend) Im gonna be home later tonight. Any other questions Ill answer then. also gonna be a lot more active when I get back, and Im gonna push for a lynch on ShaioPo. expect my case then. VE is clean so we needed a way to walk down from the suspicion without looking terrible. This wasn't so graceful, but whatevs. Doesn't mention him again till here: On October 02 2013 04:57 hiro protagonist wrote: real quick before the deadline. Most likely town: VE, WoS, Grack, Koshi, austin null: Palmer, ryan, VA, CR. People I once thought as town, but are now slightly scummy: SaB, Panda, Oats Scummy: Shiao... damn, doin up this list makes me realize how little other strong scum reads I had... | ||
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On October 06 2013 11:59 VisceraEyes wrote: Oh my God. s0l replaced in guys. Rol remember? This is all bullshit. no, wrong. Im including what RoL and hiro discussed in my discussions | ||
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On October 06 2013 12:05 WaveofShadow wrote: Horseshit. No one ever confirmed me. Cocaine-Covered Prius: If delivered to a gang member, will roleblock his entire gang for the night. If delivered to a townie, they will ignore it and you will get your Prius back. You aren't notified. It happened on N2, and hiro was dead with day post. If anyone was gonna confirm you it was gonna be me. Hence why I've been on austin's balls for attacking you. | ||
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On October 06 2013 12:05 WaveofShadow wrote: You're just picking a target you never bothered to call scummy. You really need to hear me out and decide at the end. | ||
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On October 06 2013 12:09 austinmcc wrote: If you got the prius back and confirmed Oats, why not use it on N3? You mason Cheese, maybe he's mafia, maybe he's not. You Prius Cheese, you 100% know whether he's mafia or not, based on whether you get the Prius back. I was trying for something bigger. I wanted the entire team. | ||
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On October 06 2013 12:11 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: isn't the prius hiros ability? He's like the bad cop and shit It didn't even matter to me, but yes. I wanted to catch you and your teammates. Pretty sure I wouldn't have used it even if I could after hiro died | ||
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I deferred a lot to hiro. Here's why: On September 27 2013 11:54 s0Lstice wrote: Vanilla Percentage - Hide Spoiler - s0Lstice 10/11 = 90.9091% vivi57 11/13 = 84.6154% Lazermonkey 9/11 = 81.8182% kushm4sta 13/16 = 81.2500% VayneAuthority 8/10 = 80.0000% Adam4167 11/15 = 73.3333% phagga 8/11 = 72.7273% Johnnyspazz 8/11 = 72.7273% mkfuba07 8/11 = 72.7273% stop hogging all the blue, guys Really don't have a lot of experience in this area. hiro is also generally a really smart dude I found, and a super vet. He flopped around on WoS: On October 02 2013 04:57 hiro protagonist wrote: real quick before the deadline. Most likely town: VE, WoS, Grack, Koshi, austin null: Palmer, ryan, VA, CR. People I once thought as town, but are now slightly scummy: SaB, Panda, Oats Scummy: Shiao... damn, doin up this list makes me realize how little other strong scum reads I had... this going into the night after Shiao's lynch. hiro was a lil worried about being on WoS radar so he tried to muddy the waters a bit. after the deadline: On October 02 2013 17:39 hiro protagonist wrote: In regards to WoS: yes I was wishy washy on FT. I, like you, hated how he posted "i give up" when SP flipped. Fact is if he doesn't start posting the way he did at the end of day 2, Im gonna want to lynch him. I didnt have a scum read on you, you where leaning scum in my book. It wasnt a strong feeling, but I didnt like how when you came into the game with a "towns so bad" combined with your going along with RNG. It looked like you where trying not to contribute at the time. you have contributed alot more sense then, so I feel like you are likly town now. flip flopy, yes, but reads change. The reason I put up my reads list is because I was catching up on the thread. after catch up some of my reads changed. Ill go into more detail come morning. | ||
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On October 06 2013 12:18 austinmcc wrote: So it was Hiro's ability, but you didn't use it N3 because you wanted to try for something bigger? Do you remember I Can't Believe? When I know I have someone I go balls out. We just went over this. I wanted to do something big with the walkie talkie ability. It didn't even matter to me that I couldn't use the prius. I wouldn't even if I could have. My mind was made up and I had a laser focus on this particular action. | ||
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On October 06 2013 12:23 austinmcc wrote: b/c thisIf something is hiro's ability, it seems like you're saying it's a hiro-exclusive item. Indicating that you can't use it. Meaning the reason you didn't use the prius N3 is because it was hiro's ability and he was dead. If your reason is "I wanted something bigger", fine, but you just...failed to mention you no longer had the ability to prius? Austin this is not difficult. The primary reason for me not using the prius was because I wanted to try something. It is also true that I couldn't use the prius even if I wanted to. The two answers are not mutually exclusive, just one cognitive primacy in my mind. | ||
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On October 06 2013 12:18 VayneAuthority wrote: lol why the would cop walkie talkie some one on such a crucial night? lolno. good story but that is your flaw I get that you think it's stupid, but I didn't. It's not whether YOU think it's stupid that matters, Vayne. | ||
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On October 06 2013 12:26 WaveofShadow wrote: Wat. When was hiro EVER on my radar aside from when VE told me to look at him? That's the point, it wasn't certain. We knew that hiro had said some negative things towards you in thread. What you say in response, in thread, publically is irrelevant in terms of the danger that a scum you would present to him if you took issue with his comments. | ||
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On October 06 2013 12:29 WaveofShadow wrote: I dunno man, I've done some counterclaiming in my time but there are so many holes and farfetched fabrications in here. If you were really the cop you would honestly be able to prove it pretty easily imo. I don't think I've ever seen a counterclaim fail from the person who is telling the truth and you look like you're going to fail. That's because your mind is already made up. Also, this isn't a typical counter-claim, we haven't talked about Koshi yet. Like I said earlier, cool your tits. | ||
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On October 06 2013 12:30 WaveofShadow wrote: Ok solstice, so you say you wanted to 'try something.' What was it exactly that you attempted to 'try,' to catch the whole scumteam? | ||
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On October 06 2013 12:30 WaveofShadow wrote: Talk about it now. Like right now. You don't get time to try and come up with shit. Short version. Right now. Again, I don't have a fucking clue how to play blue. I don't really know how to act, my importance to town, and all that. I'm saying this not because I'm complaining, but because it should explain to you the weirdness of this. I didn't counter claim Koshi because I ended up thinking that he was town fake claiming to protect me. It really boils down to that. | ||
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Mafia Koshi: claims cop. worst result is an instant counterclaim and poof outed cop. couldn't really decide if i liked this trade. my abilities are powerful, but are they that powerful? best result is the real cop ends up thinking you are town, and are protecting him town Koshi: claims cop to protect the real cop these were the scenarios I considered | ||
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Our QT wasn't super busy. A lot of is was the discussion of our night actions, which are summarized pretty cleanly in my explanations of our night actions. Again, I was deferring to hiro a lot in his scum read. hiro posted his shiao case in there, hence my shiao vote. | ||
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On October 06 2013 12:34 WaveofShadow wrote: I can actually believe that somewhat. Now onto your grand plan to catch the scumteam. Go. It's not that difficult really. I don't have to do much except act like scum. Do you disagree that the scum teams should be highly interested in coordinating at this time? I wanted to capitalize on that and act through coordinating night hits for the future as well as possible mislynches/votes. It wouldn't take much to get the other scum members, and if he is the 1, then hey at least theres 1 confirmed scum. | ||
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On October 06 2013 12:39 WaveofShadow wrote: What are your thoughts on Koshi now? Is he scum or not, and why? And again, grand scumplan. He is scum. He has to be. This is the only way this game is not difficult in terms of rationalizing remaining people with scum reads. Also, he really HAS been fucking off with a lot of town cred. Kinda like OO did in that one game. If he's scum, he knows his clock is ticking. It makes a lot of sense. | ||
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On October 06 2013 12:40 VayneAuthority wrote: koshi retracting the cop claim is the only way I dont vote s0lstice today. He led us to believe that koshi/VE/rayn were all confirmed for half the game if he was cop and thats no bueno. Again, how dumb it is in your view DOES NOT MATTER. I did what I wanted to do because I thought it was the best course. | ||
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On October 06 2013 12:45 WaveofShadow wrote: Pretty much this. Honestly given how people play these days, Solstice's suggestion is actually way more likely to me if Koshi is town fakeclaiming than scum fakeclaiming. I just really don't see the advantage to saccing a scum member to out the cop like that. I don't think it's that unlikely. It's so preposterous that it could work beautifully. Look what happened. He skates by for this long. Maybe it lasts until the cop is able to be dealt with later in the game and the timer doesn't matter. If not, then he still outs the cop in the end. The thing is though, there was a chance the cop would think that he was town. He was right in this case. | ||
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On October 06 2013 12:44 austinmcc wrote: This is kinda neat. how in the fuck are you enjoying this : / | ||
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On October 06 2013 12:58 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: i still think s0lstice is faking, I just have no clue why he's fakeclaiming. And that makes me scared. You should be scared because this is not a fake-claim. | ||
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On October 06 2013 13:00 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Look me right in the strawberry topping and tell me this isn't a fakeclaim. Why didn't you out as soon as you saw the koshi fakeclaim? One more time for me. Because I was thunderstruck. Someone claiming your role is a very unique shock. I took time to think it through, and like I said, for better or ill, I ended up on Koshi town because it would be a pretty crazy play for mafia. I honestly thought that he would eventually come clean, but I didn't know the when. | ||
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On October 06 2013 13:05 WaveofShadow wrote: Nah looking through Koshi's filter----would be fucking ingenious scumplay if he faked everything since his claim. I don't think I've ever seen ingenious scumplay. Keeping it simple: solstice is scum. End of story. Koshi is not dumb. Also if he is scum, he has a QT. This is lazy thinking WoS. | ||
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On October 06 2013 13:05 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: So from your PoV he was going to draw a mafia shot? So is Koshi Town or Mafia for you right now? He confirmed Oats. If he were town id think he'd fess up by now to the fakeclaiming. Why did Koshi fakeclaim when he did as mafia??? Yes to the bolded. I think Koshi is scum. There's just not room for a town him. He has also done jack shit as a conf town, and has been riding on his claim. It makes a lot of sense for him if he knew that eventually the truth was gonna come out. | ||
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On October 06 2013 13:06 WaveofShadow wrote: lol why? I don't believe anyone would use that on me. I showed you where hiro hedged on you then town read you after prius night. Why is this so hard for you to accept? | ||
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On October 06 2013 13:13 austinmcc wrote: Not the item. Just in general. Someone shows up and puts a cocaine-covered Prius in front of you, something's going down. Definitely EITHER a cokehead or environmental freak IRL (or both). solstice, you think Koshi is scum at this point. Talk to me about rayn/Ve/oats plox. VE is town obviously. I have no idea about rayn and oats, thats the honest truth. I think both look fucking scummy as hell, Rayn for the same reason as Koshi (doing fuck all with all this town cred when he is normally large and in charge), and I still think Oats is scummy for the same reasons I've been saying all game. It's really WIFOM though. Would Koshi be so brazen as to confirm his team with fake checks? Who the fuck knows. | ||
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On October 06 2013 13:16 WaveofShadow wrote: Nope. Not enough rage. Gave up too easy. Man I'm just picturing myself in this scenario and I'd be SO ANGRY I'm not you. Im feeling pretty embarrassed right now. I screwed up the fake claim, and I screwed up with Mr. CC. Anger is easily tempered by shame. | ||
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On October 06 2013 13:17 austinmcc wrote: IF YOU ARE SCUM YOU ARE MAKING IT SOMEWHAT DIFFICULT TO GET YOU TO 100% SAY DUMB STUFF AND TRAP YOURSELF. IF YOU ARE SCUM PLEASE START DOING THAT. ITS BECAUSE I AM TOWN AND THE FUCKING COP. caps. truth caps. | ||
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On October 06 2013 13:18 Pandain wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote S0lstice no. this is not good enough. You asking me to paraphrase the QT amidst all this bullshit is pure crap. It's not a big QT but its not small. if I am scum I fabricate a QT before doing this how can you not see that my reaction is actually the townie one? | ||
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On October 06 2013 13:21 austinmcc wrote: So if you are town, you are anticipating: cc koshi/x/y or x koshi/cc/y With possible rayn. Possible oats. I assume still possible me? I'm not certain of the connections. I was hoping CC was the big team. I really haven't been looking for who was on what team, just not a skill I have in my toolbox. You, CC, rayn, Koshi, Oats are all on the table. Koshi must be lynched today, and we can sort out the others. | ||
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My play thus far. Look at it in it's entirety and ask yourself how well it fits with a guy who never roles blue. A guy who replaces into a game, gets plopped into a QT with a super-vet, and has to not only figure out the game but how not be a retarded cop. I've been awkward, silent, but have still been semi-capable in finding scum (Palmar). I just don't have a lot of practice with this, and I've made some decisions that I'm regretting badly. At the time though, I went with what I thought was right. It doesn't matter if you think it's stupid. Doesn't matter if you think you'd have done different. What matters is if you think I would do this as a cop with the just described conditions. | ||
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On October 06 2013 22:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay, time to read solstice's filter. I believe Koshi, based purely on this post: The only source of information about who has what night actions came from Koshi himself. Rayn treats them as actual fact here, meaning he is not even considering if Koshi is lying. On October 06 2013 23:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yet Oats fails the test horribly. :D Even if he is town and just maybe reeeeally sure Koshi is the cop....here he contradicts himself by going against the 'greencheck.' | ||
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On October 06 2013 23:52 Koshi wrote: Oh hi. Could you tell me what skills are limited to the good cop? it's not good cop, it's by-the-book cop. I have stakeout and precision shot. You made good guesses but didn't quite get it. Like what is more by-the-book than a stakeout? | ||
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On October 06 2013 23:56 Koshi wrote: Rofl. You always stake out together. DEBUNKED. Baby seals pls. You must not watch a lot of cop shit. Lone stakeouts happen all the time. | ||
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On October 06 2013 23:59 Koshi wrote: So ambulance and hollywood cpr are for both? Come on. That doesnt even make sense. Read that ambulance can be used on both. Clearly it is a limited spell How does that not make sense? Look I get that you have thought about this a lot since you are faking it and all, but meta-ing the hosts is really dumb. They are two different abilities with different effects. | ||
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On October 07 2013 00:02 Koshi wrote: w.e Did you crumb being cop somewhere before n3? no crumb. I remembered too late. | ||
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On October 07 2013 00:03 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Koshi why did you decide to out when you did? As far as I can tell it didn't change the lynch targets. S0lstice who is your current suspect for last bangers? Gut says Oats, but I need to revisit the connections and see if I can't make better sense of it. | ||
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On October 07 2013 00:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am not going after Oats. You are twisting my words. Also you had nothing to do with lynching Palmar besides putting your vote on him. You trying to take credit for that is a joke solstice. Everyone who reads your filter can see it. You "agree with Pandain's read on Palmar". Pandain's #3 or 4 scumread, not very strong. You are clearly not reading. The fact that you think I was trying to take credit for the Palmar lynch in that final post last night is bogus. I was explaining how I was struggling playing blue, but yet I still found scum in Palmar. My vote was on him, first on the list, and he flipped red. I didn't say I pushed it hard, drove it through, just that I was right when it counted. | ||
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On October 07 2013 00:07 Oatsmaster wrote: Ambulance is for both cops. KOSHI LAWYERED. s0lstice, why dont you precision shoot me? I'm out of precision shot with the death of s&b. Otherwise I would, no offense | ||
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On October 07 2013 00:11 Koshi wrote: Solstice why did you ambulance night 1 on hiro? Why? I really don't know. There wasn't a lot of explanation for it in the QT. You'll have to ask hiro in post-game. | ||
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On October 07 2013 00:02 s0Lstice wrote: Cheesecake what do you think about that Rayn shit. Austin too. CC? | ||
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On October 07 2013 00:25 Koshi wrote: Really. You didnt discuss night actions? Hiro is a pretty cool guy btw. Clearly you dont know him. So you use imba ambulance over Hollywood CPR on n1, when all scummers drive by or will shoot strong townies, on hiro who was never going to get double stacked. Are you telling me Hiro is a moron? That was the Night 1 action. Night 1. Maybe now you can answer your own question. | ||
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On October 07 2013 00:34 Koshi wrote: What? WHY WOULD YOU USE AMBULANCE OVER CPR. Ambulance holds of all NK. No fucking way both scumteams should hiro n1. So why not use cpr. And why save Hiro night 1 anyway rofl. This is how everyone should know you are not cop. I have been hyper paranoid the entire game. This answer shows that you are not. I wouldn't advocate for a N1 ambulance, but I can certainly see a possibility where hiro was extremely nervous about being too obvious blue, or that he had poked his nose into too many places. Shit, for all I know he could have sent in ambulance thinking he was doing CPR. | ||
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On October 07 2013 00:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: SnB was N2 shot. There is a dude who fakeclaim a cop and you shoot someone else? yea, you arent reading, or are and are purposely misrepresenting facts. scum. kill. | ||
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On October 06 2013 06:50 Koshi wrote: Good cop: PS Ambulance x2 Bad cop: Prius Lethal shot x2 Rest is for both. To easy your mind VA. Koshi I'd really like to hear more about how you shot grack and hiro shot VE. | ||
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On October 07 2013 00:50 Koshi wrote: You going to be a little bitch? I didnt say that. But I can see I need to type out everything very carefully. Your chance to tell it like it was was here. You done goofed. | ||
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On October 06 2013 13:31 austinmcc wrote: Also, yes. I'm considering it. I had a scumread on koshi earlier. I specifically noted that his play after soft-claiming was odd for cop. His play after hard-claiming hasn't really looked more cop-ish. And today, he made some WEIRD posts that caught my eye but I dismissed: I shot oats cuz VA said he was MCB The KP comment is basically a "maybe you're scum for knowing the cost of scum items"But right after being unsure, asks VA if he's sure on pandain and is voting pandain Now back to doesn't know whassup. Despite just asking if he's sure about his read. Who cares if VA is sure on his read if Koshi doesn't know how to read VA right now? When asked why VA is town, Koshi gives reasons he thinks VA is town. Then says he's 65% on VA = town. ALSO SAYS THAT VA IS TOWN BECAUSE VA THINKS HE HAS FIGURED OUT THE GAME BUT REALLY HASN'T. YET IS STILL ASKING VA WHETHER VA TRUSTS HIS READ. IF VA TRUSTS HIS READ ON PANDAIN AND KOSHI THINKS VA IS TOWN BECAUSE HE THINKS HE KNOWS SHIZ BUT HE DON'T KNOW SHIZ THEN KOSHI SHOULDN'T BE VOTING PANDAIN. He shot the dude's scumread. Isn't super sure how to read him. etc. etc. But VA might have been a #2 lynch the next day. Maybe. Koshi, I want to hear you talk about this. | ||
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On October 07 2013 01:41 WaveofShadow wrote: Hey Koshi. I'm just starting to catch up now based on where I left off and I just thought I'd stop to write fuck you. How dare you blame anything on me and saying I'm not taking a stance. Are you fucking blind? MY VOTE IS ON FUCKING SOLSTICE. That is all. I feel like deep down you know the right answer here. How good do you feel/still feel about your original Oats read? Didn't it make you uneasy when he was 'confirmed.'? The answer is Koshi is lying. He even just screwed up his story. | ||
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On October 07 2013 01:25 Koshi wrote: Grtz on 7k. Dude. We confirmed 3 towns now. Why would I on n3 confirm you when I am scum. I would just lynch you instead.... I fucking prevented your lynch by my actions. I would have said I bussed myslef or something. I wouldnt be confirming more fucking townies. Fuck you Oats. I really dont get it. I did something super protown by confirming you. Why would scum do this... This is all WIFOM and you know it. | ||
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On October 07 2013 01:48 VayneAuthority wrote: for me it just boils down to s0lstice night actions not making sense and his piss poor play if he's the real cop thinking he's some hero or something. deserves to lose from both alignments so...yea. Policy lynch more then anything If you want town to win this game, there is no place for a policy lynch today. | ||
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On October 07 2013 01:51 VayneAuthority wrote: my ego is way too big to lose to such a bad claim, you will never have my vote. Check your ego. I know you like to win, and if you lynch me you will lose. I don't care how stupid you think I am. Weigh everything and make the best decision for a town win. Fear is controlling your vote. Don't be afraid to be wrong, just make the best choice and fuck the rest. | ||
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On October 07 2013 01:56 VayneAuthority wrote: You should have counterclaimed koshi immediately and your actions don't make sense. It is the best choice In my shoes perhaps you would have counter-claimed immediately, chosen different night actions. The truth though is that that is irrelevant. I explained explicitly why I didn't counter claim right away. Tell me why you find this unsatisfactory beyond the fact that it's not what you would have done. Do the same for the night actions. | ||
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On October 07 2013 02:00 Oatsmaster wrote: solstice, if you think Koshi is town, why do you want to lynch him? Koshi is scum. I have said this. | ||
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On October 07 2013 02:00 VisceraEyes wrote: s0L here's where I'm hung up. You were bringing up being newbie as part of the reason this is so bad, right? Because you're "not used to playing blue" and because "you don't know how this shit works" etc etc. However, being cognizant of that, you expect us to believe that rather than doing the right thing (hard-confirming Cheese) you were going to PLAY A LITTLE GAME with Cheese. That you're so good that you could pull off some kind of crazy mafia-claim play to find the ENTIRE scumteam. You can only have it one way s0L, you're either too newb or 2legit, you can't be both. And this is where your story falls down as far as I'm concerned. No, it makes perfect sense. I know I can find scum. I was really certain on cheesecake, so I felt no qualms about acting on it.. It's not that big of a play to claim scum to a scumread in a situation where scum should be looking to coordinate (at least in my eyes). There wasn't that many variables to consider for that singular action, and I was pretty certain it was going to go off without a hitch because I was certain on my read and CC would be amenable to me. That is the important distinction. I believed in my read. Being blue was just my way of entry into acting on it. | ||
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On October 07 2013 02:04 Oatsmaster wrote: ##unvote koshi ##vote solstice yeah he's not angry enough and he was 'forced' to claim. pretty sure you're scum, but I already explained that mostly what I'm feeling right now is embarrassed that this is all even happening. Like thinking town originally on Koshi was a serious no-no and I mindfaked myself into it. | ||
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On October 07 2013 02:10 Oatsmaster wrote: Pretty sure you're scum, but who the fuck doesnt get agitated/excited when they find confirmed scum? Like. OH SHIT LOL SCUMCLAIM. EZ GAME GUYS!! There is none of that from you. Tell me exactly how I show I am agitated/excited. You are not me so you don't know. Trust me, I'm plenty of both. | ||
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On October 07 2013 02:16 Oatsmaster wrote: You show it by being really excited that you caught scum and going YEAH MAN. SCUM RIGHT HERE. Seriously. You are just whining about how bad you are at blue roles and we should totally believe you. You didnt even tackle Koshi's claims and say why they are fake. Just went, 'believe me or town loses'. You dont have the town Role PM. thats why you cant emulate that attitude. You have a funny definition of whining. I've already talked about Koshi's night actions and what they mean. The answer is not much because he is scum and everything he's done with his actions is flat out WIFOM. You are trying to be a behaviorist when you should be an analyst. There are gobs of facts to go on here and you are satisfied just chalking it up to 'oh look s0L isnt acting how I would act in his shoes and showing the proper emotions in the way that I would show them' despite the fact that you have no fucking idea what I'm feeling or how I'm expressing it right now. | ||
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On October 07 2013 02:18 VisceraEyes wrote: I probably don't believe it. I need to think. To read. Does day end today? VE I'm not letting you get away. You are wanting to lynch the cop right now and you need to really bite down hard on the facts. That thing you just asked me, let me offer another viewpoint. This would be my second scumgame ever. I replaced in. I'm here fighting tooth-and-nail and not shying away. I counter-claimed the cop after a lag time and was free-flowing and responsive as to the how and the way. I'm flattered you think I could do this as scum, but holy SHIT does this really make more sense than the alternative? Really?? I can and am doing all that because I am the fucking cop. Lynch Koshi. | ||
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On October 07 2013 02:27 WaveofShadow wrote: Simple scenario is the most likely. Solstice is desperate so he claimed. That's what it comes down to imo. If this is desperation then I must have made some mistakes on the fly with my facts right? Show me. | ||
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On October 07 2013 02:29 Koshi wrote: The only thing I dont get is why s0lstice ever thought this would work. Like cc is town now or the other scumteam are honest and respectful mafia players. This means the pool of possible scummers get really small. I am almost feeling WoS&Austin same scumteam but that is really crazy. Like you need 6 votes on me s0lstice. How was that ever going to work unless you had the entirr other scumteam working with you. Like why not try and yet cc lynched... It makes me think you.put all eggs in CC basket and then went full funzies for your last day. But then again, you would get lynched after me. So is this not against your wincon??? You dont win when I am lynched. You just make the other scumteam win... So yeah. You play vs own wincon or.scumteams are teamed up atm. Probably last... I like when scumbags make my argument for me. There's a reason it's hard to find the scum motivation for this. | ||
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On October 07 2013 02:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: No, it's the only thing you could claim after fucked up powerplay on CC. ...and then on the fly I answered every question without fail or error and didnt shy away from the pressure? please rayn. the play failed, but what came after was full unadulterated disclosure. | ||
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On October 07 2013 02:39 Koshi wrote: Just humor me and tell me why you do this as scum. As completely illogical as it is. You are last banger and you try to lynch the real cop. How is this going to help your wincon? You agree there is no way? There wouldn't be much motivation for me to do it as the last banger. There is no scenario where it isn't suicide basically that I can see off-hand. That would mean if I am scum, it's gotta be the 3-man team. Even there, like I wasn't in a terrible spot. People suspected me but I don't think I was in any real danger. It doesn't even depend on how much control scum think they have on the game. In the end, if I am lying, I'm dead anyway so it's a one-for-one trade. So either scum feels fucked and they decide to do a bogus cop claim to....what end exactly? A TON would still have to go right for them to have a path to win. The cop would have to get lynched (unlikely), then the other team would need to cooperate (I think? need to look at numbers again) and they would need to miss vests. Or scum feels good and they decide to do an inefficient 1 for 1 trade despite feeling in control? | ||
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On October 07 2013 03:07 VayneAuthority wrote: yea just like your read changed after I destroyed pandain, no wait it didn't you're just full of bs this entire game. if anything s0lstice said actually convinced you you are delusional. any non idiot counteclaims that immediately here's the problem with your view. in your view I could potentially be an idiot and not scum. So, you could basically just be idiot lynching right now instead of lynching the not-cop. | ||
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On October 07 2013 03:31 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm more inclined to believe Koshi because he provided, unsolicited, info on how the cop role works. Info that your version of the story is based on unless I'm mistaken. I find it exceedingly hard to believe that you let Koshi go on confirming townies while you were in the background knowing he's a liar regardless of his alignment, claiming scum to CC "to find scum". It's a hard, bitter pill you're expecting townies who are actually reading and thinking about the game to take. In the scenario where Koshi is lying, his info was going to come from the OP, which is obviously where my role PM is coming from. He can provide info because it's not outside his reach to do so unsolicited. It wouldn't even be hard. As far as letting him go, look at the evolution of events. When I set my mind that he was town and doing this to protect me, he got a lot of rope from me. I started to get nervous when I sat back and realized just how much he was fucking off. I don't see how walkie-talkie with CC must be exclusive with my growing thinking that Koshi was scum and not town. How do I approach it? If I can get CC to maybe implicate him outside of the issue itself, then that would have made this whole process easier. I just didn't really see a different way to act that directly dealt with Koshi, and the end result is this painful counter-claim | ||
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On October 07 2013 03:31 Pandain wrote: Because you would have done more and done more beforehand and not try and pull off crazy shenanigans which if your wrong puts a cop at danger if you see someone claim cop. Can you clarify this? I'm not understanding. Also, can you talk about the scumread you had on me before this happened? | ||
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On October 07 2013 03:18 Koshi wrote: This is how I post basically. It might be extra special because I think VA is a qtpie. I can't believe, can NOT believe you guys are okay with this explanation. How are we not lynching him. He has not been trying to figure out this game. It's living on a pretense. He didn't really read people before and he's really not doing it now. | ||
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On October 07 2013 03:46 Pandain wrote: You weren't contributing a lot and contributions were bad. Like where is this Solstice on days 1-3? Only reason you post now is because your about to die Talk to me about how your characterization makes a clear distinction between blue and scum. | ||
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On October 07 2013 03:56 VisceraEyes wrote: Please. I'm having a hard time keeping up. On October 07 2013 00:44 s0Lstice wrote: Koshi I'd really like to hear more about how you shot grack and hiro shot VE. make sure you look at the nests | ||
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On October 07 2013 03:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: Solstice you are nitpicking very much. It's like saying someone must be mafia because they want to "kill" people instead of "lynching". And you have not tried to figure this game out either. Wtf is this bullshit? I don't even know why I waste my breath with you. I certainly have tried to figure out this game. | ||
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On October 07 2013 04:04 WaveofShadow wrote: I already explained this. Makes more sense to shoot people who nobody was likely to protect or might have been 'other team scum.' Neither of them looked particularly good. The fact remains that the 'right' play here is to lynch solstice, regardless of the shitfest between them simply based on circumstance. I will admit solstice's arguments have been somewhat compelling in certain ways but given the way towns have been playing I really want to make the 'right' call here. If we are wrong and solstice was the cop then in my opinion it is more his fault than ours for trying to 'make plays' without having any idea what he was doing. And yeah, I'm well aware that's kind of a shitty attitude and absolving myself of responsibility if I AM wrong and Solstice just screwed up, but I know what the right call is in this scenario and I'm taking it. WoS don't be doing this. This is driven in part by the 'oh fuck' moment if you lynch Koshi and it was me lying after all. You have to ignore the stakes, because it clouds judgement. You keep saying that Koshi's side is the simpler one. That is not as clear as you are saying it is. Think back again on how ludicrous what is happening right now is if I am scum. There is no simple explanation here, both sides require some kind of craziness. Like I told you earlier, I think you know the right answer. This game makes a lot more sense with Koshi scum, Oats is back on the table etc. You MUST Be feeling the unease that something was not quite right and THIS IS THE ANSWER. | ||
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On October 07 2013 04:23 Pandain wrote: You're wasting your breath because in your world you're a cop Your confirmation bias is something else. I've said Rayn is scum. Kill. I'm starting to think you are scum too. You and Rayn have something in common with your approach to this claim. | ||
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On October 07 2013 04:29 WaveofShadow wrote: I do. I'm just mad at Rayn for fucking off after he got confirmed. thats because he is scum. he fucked off as scum in GoT, fucked off as scum in Noire. rayn does this. how do you imagine a confirmed town rayn should be acting? | ||
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On October 07 2013 04:52 VisceraEyes wrote: On the other side of the coin we have s0Lstice, who is letting a confirmed liar confirm people as town and letting town lynch based on these confirmations. In the name of some plan to claim scum, hoping that town believes him and doesn't lynch the shit out of him. This is not how I expect a cop to act. Ever. Our night actions do not break the rules by which you are judging me. On my side of the coin, you and WoS are confirmed, except we also killed a scum s&b. I've already explained the thought processes behind why I chose to act the way i did in regards to Koshi. He 'confirmed' you, and then Rayn and oats. I didn't know what I thought of rayn, but I certainly didn't like Oats. This contributed to the change in opinion. I knew that if he indeed was going to be a townie acting as a cop to protect me he'd have to be fabricating night actions. Put yourself in my shoes for a second. | ||
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On October 07 2013 05:22 VisceraEyes wrote: Oh s0L. Oh s0L. You have no idea. I've BEEN in your shoes. I've BEEN in crazy fucking claim situations like this before. Did I ever tell you about the time I was a detective and tried to convince town that one of my redchecks that flipped green was actually a DEATHMILLER? If you're town, I can assure you - no one understands the position you're in than me. But what you have to understand is that this all looks terribly suspect, and if you were actually the cop, this is something you would have HAD to factor in. The timing is suspicious, the circumstances are suspicious, EVERYTHING is suspicious about this. Surely you realize this. Of course I realize it! Yet here I am fighting you. How ridiculous this is is a non-factor from my point of view because I. AM. RIGHT. I realize I set myself up to make this nearly impossible to tell the truth and have it look believable, but I'm gonna be climbing that mountain right up until lynch time because I owe it to the town to not just get frustrated and let you lynch the wrong guy. Do not close your mind yet. Do not lay out a final decision. There is plenty of time. | ||
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On October 07 2013 05:31 VayneAuthority wrote: this has nothing to do with your scum play though. We are talking about your town play here which you apparently have plenty of experience with...scum slip? how does this have nothing to do with my scum play if the entire thread thinks I'm scum? There is a basis for comparison and I want people to look. It is possible to distinguish blue from red. | ||
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On October 07 2013 05:32 VisceraEyes wrote: Then: WHY WOULD YOU HAVE THE CONFIDENCE IN YOURSELF AND YOUR READS ENOUGH TO THINK YOU CAN CATCH THE WHOLE SCUMTEAM?!?! SOLSICE THIS DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE - YOU'RE EXPECTING US TO BELIEVE THAT YOU'RE PLAYING THIS WAY AS A RESULT OF BEING NEWB BUT FOR THE PURPOSE OF DOING NEXT-LEVEL MINDGAMES WITH THE ENTIRE OPPOSING FORCE!!! DO YOU NOT SEE HOW THIS IS A HUGE CONTRADICTION?! VE, being a nervous and unsure blue does not affect the convictions I have in my own reads. I was convinced CC was scum. This fact remains the same whether I'm green or blue. The distinction is what I do with the blue actions and the blue role in general. These are not mutually exclusive ideas. They run parallel not opposite. | ||
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On October 07 2013 05:35 s0Lstice wrote: VE, being a nervous and unsure blue does not affect the convictions I have in my own reads. I was convinced CC was scum. This fact remains the same whether I'm green or blue. The distinction is what I do with the blue actions and the blue role in general. These are not mutually exclusive ideas. They run parallel not opposite. More on this...it's about people having a problem with what the optimal play was for a cop to do in any of the situations we discussed. My inexperience with blue roles played into me using them in ways that seem odd or stupid to other people, but at the foundation of that is the notion that they were used in such a way as to back up my own reads and convictions...which I would have regardless of being green or blue. | ||
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On October 07 2013 05:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: So because CC didn't claim scum to you he must be town? Right. Show me where I say CC is town. If you are going to participate in this discussion, you should at least read the thread. | ||
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On October 07 2013 09:15 WaveofShadow wrote: Aaaanyway. Honestly while I do appreciate the effort being put forth, I still don't think the benefits outweigh the risks in trying to determine the MCB. Especially in a game where so many people are playing so well as both alignments (clearly). Solstice is the safe play here and I WILL be taking it. Now VE said something about homework? I'm supposed to grill people or some shit? I did so much of that to solstice last night and Koshi, well....I don't even know what else to say about him. That massive QT paraphrasing really convinced me. Like...as much effort as it takes to write up something like that, the sheer amount of effort it would take to FABRICATE something like that, make it seem coherent and following conversational directions, input from mods, disagreements.... Like, there is no fucking way in hell Koshi could have faked that. Austin, do you believe something like that is fakeable? It's fakeable. It's not a question of difficulty, just one of effort. Think of the time he'd have to do it. Anyway though, between scum and townies being adamant about the right course of action, I'm going to have to do some soul searching as to how hard I want to fight this. I've already spent a lot more time than I had to spend defending this. Things look really bleak/near impossible for me to get you guys on the correct lynch here. Town is in deep shit after my flip and I seem to be powerless to stop it. As much as I'd enjoy lynching outside of me and Koshi there is no way we are gonna get everyone on the same scumread outside us. | ||
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On October 07 2013 09:27 Pandain wrote: Do you really think Koshi is the player to do that? Koshi probably gets town/scum mvp either way anyway, as long as he doesn't ignore my reads and helps lynch town. As much as Koshi doesn't deserve any compliment from me after telling me to take a dick in my ass...he is not a dumb person by any stretch. Quite the opposite. He doesn't have classicly good mafia skills, but he is pretty fucking good in his own way. I wouldn't put it past him. | ||
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On October 07 2013 09:34 austinmcc wrote: Fakeable, yes. If nothing else, it's just a pile of words. It's a fun story to tell about the two of you in QT. Not the EASIEST thing to fake, but easier to fake a summary than real posts. I can also note that I changed some QT posts and deleted some when I posted scum logs in PTP4, and did so on the fly (as did kita, he changed some things), so i HAVE doctored logs before, and it wasn't the hardest thing ever. He's had enough time today to doctor if he wanted to. Currently I'm back on the Koshi cop and solstice scum side of the fence, between that chunk of stuff, Koshi's finally being angry, and really looking back at some of Koshi's posts. Koshi went ALL OUT claiming, telling people rayn was 100%, couple other things, like...the checks he claims to have made show in HIS posts. With solstice, some of the checks he claims the team made show up in HIRO'S posts. That's important to me because scum, upon seeing Hiro flip, may have tried to look for who he copped. If scum look at Hiro's reads before and after certain nights, they might well pull up posts like "dude scum" --> "no wait, maybe I was wrong, getting a much townier vibe now". There's something to be said for Koshi's support coming from Koshi posts, whereas solstice's support comes, in part, from Hiro's posts, that scum would have been wanting to check out. As far as effort, whatever, this is good. I will probably still try to get people to lynch non-cops. I still think it's best, given that I may be leaning one way but am not sure. Whichever of them is mafia or cop or whatever, still other scum to find. And neither is likely 3rd MCB choice. Honestly, look at the above posts. Look at the rules and then these last few reads. Do you see any likely options other than Pandain or CR (with you as an outside third atm) in Koshi-cop-town, of Pandain or CR in solstice-cop-town? I fully disagree that it's impossible to, at the very least, heavily narrow down who could be the remaining one-man team. On October 07 2013 09:34 austinmcc wrote: Fakeable, yes. If nothing else, it's just a pile of words. It's a fun story to tell about the two of you in QT. Not the EASIEST thing to fake, but easier to fake a summary than real posts. I can also note that I changed some QT posts and deleted some when I posted scum logs in PTP4, and did so on the fly (as did kita, he changed some things), so i HAVE doctored logs before, and it wasn't the hardest thing ever. He's had enough time today to doctor if he wanted to. Currently I'm back on the Koshi cop and solstice scum side of the fence, between that chunk of stuff, Koshi's finally being angry, and really looking back at some of Koshi's posts. Koshi went ALL OUT claiming, telling people rayn was 100%, couple other things, like...the checks he claims to have made show in HIS posts. With solstice, some of the checks he claims the team made show up in HIRO'S posts. That's important to me because scum, upon seeing Hiro flip, may have tried to look for who he copped. If scum look at Hiro's reads before and after certain nights, they might well pull up posts like "dude scum" --> "no wait, maybe I was wrong, getting a much townier vibe now". There's something to be said for Koshi's support coming from Koshi posts, whereas solstice's support comes, in part, from Hiro's posts, that scum would have been wanting to check out. As far as effort, whatever, this is good. I will probably still try to get people to lynch non-cops. I still think it's best, given that I may be leaning one way but am not sure. Whichever of them is mafia or cop or whatever, still other scum to find. And neither is likely 3rd MCB choice. Honestly, look at the above posts. Look at the rules and then these last few reads. Do you see any likely options other than Pandain or CR (with you as an outside third atm) in Koshi-cop-town, of Pandain or CR in solstice-cop-town? I fully disagree that it's impossible to, at the very least, heavily narrow down who could be the remaining one-man team. There's a much more obvious reason for why I was talking about hiro's posts in support of our night actions that you are missing. | ||
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On October 07 2013 09:47 Koshi wrote: Only around to say that I meant I was bowing down for your applaud and not bowing down so you could put your dick in my ass because it seems like you are trying that. WoS I am in bed and I dnu why. Maybe I am angry your filter is longer than my filter. Oh I see. Thank you for clarifying that. | ||
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On October 07 2013 06:44 austinmcc wrote: 10-4. Koshi Koshi as cop confirms Koshi, VE, oats, rayn. In your scenario I am town and WoS is town. That leaves: Pandain, VA, CR, Cheesecake, solstice. Within that group, solstice MUST be mafia (claim). 3/4 of Pandain, VA, CR, Cheesecake MUST be mafia. This scumgroup hinges on Cheesecake. He's the one who called out solstice walkie-talkieing him. 1. Koshi and Cheesecake If he's town, if we think this ISN'T a giant ploy and solstice's team fucked up in thinking CC was scum, then the scum team is Pandain/VA/CR/solstice. Splits in my head are initially solstice/Pandain/VA + CR or solstice/VA/CR + pandain. 1(a). Koshi, Cheesecake, solstice/pandain/VA + CR/ This scum team makes no sense. Pandain pushes VA over Palmar on D3. He can take cred saving FT and MAYBE lynching scum in Palmar, without giving up VA. Saving FT + bussing VA is just too much. Moreover, VA is all up in Pandain's butt. Keeps calling Pandain mafia. This scum team is unlikely, as they're just too at each other's throats. Like...SnB pushes Palmar, but not spamming a whole day to get people onto him like Pandain does with VA. That's way way way too much commitment for a bus. 1(b). Koshi, Cheesecake, solstice/CR/Pandain + VA/ Here, Pandain's D3 push on VA makes more sense. VA can be scum but not on Pandain's team. And Pandain and VA get to be split apart. However, VA didn't seem to care if we lynched Palmar D3. He didn't say much, but he voted Palmar and seemed decently okay with it, never tried to shift the lynch to another target or just stick with FT. Therefore, I do not like this scenario. 1(c). Koshi, Cheesecake, solstice/CR/VA + Pandain/ In this situation, VA is actively going after the remaining scum from the other team. Pandain is trying to save FT and lynch VA D3, but gets forced onto Palmar, his scumbuddy. However, VA today is unwilling to accept solstice as possible cop. In this case, VA is CRAZY distancing himself from solstice, even when other options present themselves (lynch koshi, lynch outside the two). I don't love that idea, but it's there. Based on 1(a) giving a really weird Pandain bus on VA and sacrifice of solstice, I hate it. Based on the implications of (b) and the D3 lynch, I dislike it. I really do not see Palmar's teammate being entirely resigned to just let him go, when it was reasonable for people to stay on FT. 2. Koshi and Cheesecake In this scenario, Cheesecake is outing solstice's PM, but is part of the other mafia team. He just wants solstice lynched, get cred, huzzah huzzah. With solstice and cheesecake scum, we need 2 mafia within CR/VA/Pandain. I would personally argue that Pandain is town here. After yesterday morning, VA calling oats a great bulletproof target and just, in general, spewing nonsense, i do not think he's town. He's also trying to make me (confirmed town in these scenarios) look scummy, and just...he has not made the most sense lately. Like saying he was the clear mislynch for today when: (1) oats was set up yesterday; (2) two other players had more votes than him when he said that. So, no offense, I'm not considering VA town in these scenarios. Pandain or CR is town here. 2(a). Koshi, Cheesecake, Pandain If Cheesecake and solstice were on opposite teams, cheesecake outing solstice is REALLY weird. Too weird. Why not work together and backstab later? Why not at least get more info out of solstice and THEN backstab, letting everyone know he's mafia AND he gave up his team? So I'm assuming cheesecake/solstice same team, and doing this to try to secure someone for later game, a way for scum to "confirm" someone as town by dumping solstice. Cheesecake/Solstice/VA + CR or Cheesecake/Solstice/CR + VA Both VA and CR, whichever is on the solstice-team in Pandain-town world, are dumping solstice, hoping to survive a little bit and live with cheesecake, setting him up to carry it through. In each case, the one-man team is ALSO going after solstice, but doesn't actually KNOW that solstice is mafia. Again though, VA being okay with the Palmar lynch makes the first option more likely than the second. 2(b). Koshi, Cheesecake, CR The cheesecake/solstice thing still applies. Now you're looking at Cheesecake/Solstice/VA + Pandain or Cheesecake/Solstice/Pandain + VA Pandain and VA are split, so that interaction doesn't help make something more likely here. Again, both the scumbuddy and the one-man team are going after solstice, and just solstice. And same thing with disliking VA/Palmar on the same team. So what does Koshi cop mean? It hinges on Cheesecake. IF you think he's Cheesecake, then the remaining mafia MUST be Solstice, Pandain, VA, and CR. And the likely setup is 1(c), with Pandain being the last MCB. IF you think he's Cheesecake, then the remaining mafia are 2/3 of Pandain, VA, and CR. The scumteams I see being most likely there are Cheesecake/Solstice/VA + CR or Cheesecake/Solstice/VA + Pandain IN THE KOSHI SCENARIOS, PANDAIN OR CR IS THE LAST MCB. IF YOU THINK CHEESECAKE, THEN THE LAST MCB IS PANDAIN Okay. I need a moment. Going to post out the other options. Then gonna start really digging, because we can eliminate SOME options based on posts, just gotta look. Yet you still say VA is 100% scum and not MCB, and are leaning on the me being scum side of things. Can you clarify? | ||
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On October 07 2013 10:18 austinmcc wrote: I don't love VA + solstice same team. Just read it, that's based on how VA would be letting you go today with no attempt whatsoever to save. gg solstice, no re. So nope, I don't like that. And yes, you guys would be on the same team if you're scum. Me not liking him cutting bait so hard if you're both together isn't nearly as powerful as some of the other assumptions I'm working under --> neither of you can be MCB to me. For you it's suicide to claim cop as MCB. For him, he does nothing at all to even hint at saving Palmar. If you're scum, you're same team. Nope, don't love it. But look at the conclusions I draw above. Each of my teams has you guys together. I don't have to love it, but if you're scum and I'm right on him, he IS just distancing, and decided that there's no hope of saving you. So by that logic there are two people in thread who are trying to save me right now? Who are they? | ||
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On October 07 2013 10:33 austinmcc wrote: Read the post. By that logic, scum would be trying to save you. Yes. But VE's not mafia, I'm not mafia, WoS is possibly mafia, but frankly nobody else is really trying, just possibly interested. Except...post. Yes, by that logic, people would be trying to save you. But in the end, I conclude the likely scumteams if you're scum all contain you + VA. Not that my conclusions are wrong, or that you're town, but that scum just isn't trying to save you, and ultimately VA COULD be on your team. That it's more likely than alternatives. So despite the fact that your own presented evidence does not very well support the idea of me and Vayne being on the same team, you still conclude that we are in the end because its the least shitty of shitty options. Yet over here ----> (+ Show Spoiler + hi im s0Lstice and I am the mother fucking cop | ||
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I'm going to suspend my beliefs for a moment. Your main problem with my claim is that it doesn't check out emotionally. Like, I haven't been mad or bouncing off the walls? Do I have this correct? | ||
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On October 07 2013 10:55 Oatsmaster wrote: I dreamt that you flipped scum so I think my vote is gonna stay on you I dreamed that I owned a dinosaur ranch and rode the triceratops. I woke up with zero dinosaurs. | ||
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On October 07 2013 11:07 Oatsmaster wrote: And that koshi's claim makes far more sense balance-wise and the way he has been behaving. You better take a trip to Jurassic Park s0lstice, I heard they had these cool eggs and shit. YOU MIGHT GET TO TAKE HOME YOUR VERY OWN DINOSAUR!!!! Can you be more specific? About the first. I know a lot about dinosaurs so skip that. | ||
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On October 07 2013 11:16 Oatsmaster wrote: Well, Hiro and Koshi makes way more sense to me than RoL and Hiro. Also RoL didnt even play the game, I wouldve thought he would be more excited with a blue role. Koshi has been cop-like and you havent. I dunno how to explain the behavior thing, it makes sense to me though. RoL said it was about the current very spammy metagame we have here on TL. He loses motivation to keep up, regardless of alignment. What do you think about Koshi doing like nothing at all with the town cred, even after being outed? His effort has been 'X is scum the end.' Or, 'I don't really have any scumreads tbh.' This makes you not at all nervous that he has basically been coasting? | ||
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On October 07 2013 11:23 Oatsmaster wrote: Well it seems like you have issues with his playstyle, cause from what I know, He does the same thing every game. I would say thats a mischaracterization. in Koshi's town games he has been fully capable of making reads, explaining them, and pushing them when he's being listened to. Here he is a claimed cop with everyone's ear and doesn't seem particularly interested in doing anything with it. What do you think of how he explained the weird inconsistencies in his treatment of Vayne that austin pointed out? | ||
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On October 06 2013 13:31 austinmcc wrote: Also, yes. I'm considering it. I had a scumread on koshi earlier. I specifically noted that his play after soft-claiming was odd for cop. His play after hard-claiming hasn't really looked more cop-ish. And today, he made some WEIRD posts that caught my eye but I dismissed: I shot oats cuz VA said he was MCB The KP comment is basically a "maybe you're scum for knowing the cost of scum items"But right after being unsure, asks VA if he's sure on pandain and is voting pandain Now back to doesn't know whassup. Despite just asking if he's sure about his read. Who cares if VA is sure on his read if Koshi doesn't know how to read VA right now? When asked why VA is town, Koshi gives reasons he thinks VA is town. Then says he's 65% on VA = town. ALSO SAYS THAT VA IS TOWN BECAUSE VA THINKS HE HAS FIGURED OUT THE GAME BUT REALLY HASN'T. YET IS STILL ASKING VA WHETHER VA TRUSTS HIS READ. IF VA TRUSTS HIS READ ON PANDAIN AND KOSHI THINKS VA IS TOWN BECAUSE HE THINKS HE KNOWS SHIZ BUT HE DON'T KNOW SHIZ THEN KOSHI SHOULDN'T BE VOTING PANDAIN. He shot the dude's scumread. Isn't super sure how to read him. etc. etc. But VA might have been a #2 lynch the next day. Maybe. His response: On October 07 2013 03:18 Koshi wrote: This is how I post basically. It might be extra special because I think VA is a qtpie. | ||
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On October 07 2013 11:43 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: s0l you never responded to that baby seal pic I sent you. IT WAS JUST FOR YOU yea well you never responded to me asking you to provide, succinctly, the scum motivation for doing what I'm doing right now. if i recall you were talking about it earlier and just ended up with FFFFUUUUUU | ||
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On October 07 2013 11:48 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I can't figure out the scum motive. They were all bad / dumb. Fortunately, I know that scum can be dumb / bad Bolded is the operative phrase. I have SOME motivation as required by the laws of the universe. If there's no scum motivation, then that leaves.... Also, I like how you leave out the possibility of dumb town. | ||
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On October 07 2013 11:50 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: s0l I'll admit you could be cop but I had a scumread on you and and and... epeen must grow, I must be right early. no. if you are town this is not good enough. this is a vayne comment. you DO realize that the improper lynch today really fucks town bad right? is your epeen more important than that? | ||
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On October 07 2013 11:53 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Like, I had a koshi townread most of the game and it makes sense! Both claims make valid enough sense that gut > anything. What was the scum koshi motive to claiming btw s0l The very worst scenario for scum koshi claiming is that he outs a cop and trades 1 for 1. It is possible they felt this was a worthy trade. I really dunno. There was also the potential that the cop could assume, like I did, that it was a move to protect the real cop. It can then be carried on for maximum damage, and at the end of the day, the cop is still outed and traded. It's really not that crazy. Not any crazier than me being cop anyway. | ||
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On October 07 2013 12:03 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I just hope we lynch the correct guy. If S0lstice is real cop and is lynched, we're pretty fucked. You are, at this moment, on the fast track to being fucked if you're town. | ||
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6-3-1. VE hit last night means one scum team didn't use drive by. With no deaths at all and no other hit claims, 3KP possible tonight seems likely. VE is a goner, but if we are lucky he will get double stacked as the scumteams WIFOM themselves over the shot. Conversely, he may not even get shot at all (yay bystander effect). There are possibilities for vests too. Basically, there are chances to go into tomorrow at 6-3-1, 5-3-1, 4-3-1, or 3-3-1. 4-3-1 and 3-3-1 are probably game over for town, but 6-3-1 and 5-3-1 are definitely workable. please please PLEASE after my flip revisit the permutations of Koshi/Rayn/Oats. There were several people who approached this claim scenario with an extremely closed mind, and thats a good place to look for the last MCB. In their position, it doesn't matter whether the dude is cop or opposite scumteam, lynching him in a win. I'll try to give more throughout the work day but itll be sporadic. | ||
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On October 07 2013 23:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: Good job giving thoughts on the only people who will be confirmed town when you flip scum. :D How about you tell us who is scum from outside me/Oats/Koshi? I am certain you and Oats are scum. You shouldn't be surprised. The 4th I'm convinced has to be either Pandain or austin. Pandain was uniquely closed-minded in his approach to 'figuring out' the cop claims. Like there was so little doubt, it was pretty obvious that which side he was on didn't matter much to him. Makes a lot of sense from an MCB perspective. There are two conflicting ideas here. Austin's point about Pandain's vote on Palmar is a point in Pandain's favor in terms of them not being linked. However, the cop claim approach and something I've revisited several times now counters it (his crazy tunnel of Vayne when Palmar ended up dying). Simplifying it...I have to think that was an effort to save Palmar. So in the end, really not that bad of a candidate. Austin could also be scum. His story fits pretty well for MCB. the BEST possible scenario for the austin MCB in this situation would be to keep both me AND Koshi alive, and lynch some other DRB. He already has one guaranteed DRB in me/Koshi, and if he can lynch another before dealing with that pair, suddenly his chances of winning are no longer hopeless. Mr. CC just looks plain scummy. I've talked about him a lot it's in my filter. But...the arrangements where he fits into either DRB or MCB are pretty awkward (see: austins analysis). I'm pretty conflicted. I'm also so strongly in-bed with him after that PM bullshit that I'm not sure I'm ever going to figure it out. If austin and pandain are town though, he is def scum. The other guy people have been talking about is CR. Dude is probably town and lynching him is a mistake. He has several times this game made useful and thought provoking contributions under ZERO pressure, and has been even keel in this behavior. I don't care about the errors in his long posts, it doesn't diminish the underlying notion of him having a real interest in solving this game. Really think town. | ||
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On October 08 2013 00:11 Koshi wrote: S0lstice. You think I am part of 3-man team. You want to know the entire 3 man team with your walky talking ploy. Why do you go for CC? Like, why not go for Me or one of my confirmed townies? Why CC? At the time I decided to walkie-talkie CC, I was really fucking certain I had scum with him. The nice thing about this option is that it stood aside from you+confirmed townies. I had mindfucked myself so hard in figuring out what it is you are exactly doing that even when I had reasoned my way onto one side, the amount of niggling doubts were still enormous. All things considered, choosing a strong scum-read that was largely independent of the you situation seemed the safest. More, there was a chance that you guys were linked and I would end up with some corroborating evidence aside from the fact that you claimed my role. It really seemed like a win-win, a way to kill two-birds with one stone. ...and, in the end, I always had the knowledge that I was going to have to counter-claim if you never stepped down as a fake-claiming town. I didn't really expect it to be this fucking difficult, or for you to sell your fake claim so fucking well. I knew I'd get heat for not countering immediately but I thought that the truth was gonna win out. Apparently the lateness of it trumps the truth. | ||
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On October 08 2013 00:13 Pandain wrote: ( another) nail in coffin is that S0lstice still doesn't accuse CC or tell us why he thought CC was 99% scum. Mind sharing S0l? I thought he was scum ever since I saw his pressure vote/reaction test on Oats. Read my filter. | ||
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On October 08 2013 00:23 austinmcc wrote: Except Which do you think put more effective, convincing distance between the two players involved? Was I putting hiro in danger? Would ANYBODY think that he and I were linked after my early actions? Exactly. | ||
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I'm pretty sure 4 scum votes will be on me, which means I can only have a max of ONE townie on me and not get lynched over a potential candidate with 6. I think I have that right. | ||
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On October 08 2013 00:41 WaveofShadow wrote: This is a pretty good point, and it comes back to exactly what 'beeg plays' exactly was Solstice trying to make? Stuff like this is where the claim breaks down , because while he was able to defend himself pretty well, the motivation on a lot of his 'cop' actions make even less sense than the scum ones. More like this, Koshi. I wish I could let you inside of my head at the time, but what I did with my actions really seemed like the smartest course. The one thing I thought I could hang my hat on was the scumread on Mr. CC. Everything else was mixed up or convoluted by what Koshi was doing. I had constantly evolving opinions on that blackhole but one thing I felt really good enough to act on was Mr. CC...and as a bonus I could maybe clear up the mindfuck that was Koshi. A lot of the problems people have seem to reduce to this. Motivations for any possible scenario are bogus by typical standards, so they go back to what is wisest and most prudent for generic cop man to do in the situation and I don't match. I can see why, but its a mistake | ||
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On October 08 2013 00:47 WaveofShadow wrote: Except here's the issue Solstice, using your mindset as an example doesn't work because making a mistake doesn't make you town. if you're scum you clearly made a mistake too. No, my claim is being ruled out based on the criteria I described. If this criteria is invalid, what is left to be wrong with my claim? Do you see what I'm saying? | ||
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On October 08 2013 00:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: TLDR; The point is what Solstice did, it is what he should have done if he was a cop. We can't know his (teams) reasons for scum motivation, but there is zero town motivation for his actions. This does not work. 's0l didn't do what I would do as cop so he is scum' does not at all apply. You may not like my reasons for doing what I did, but clearly I had reasons, and them being different from what you think I shoulda done does not make me scum. By the same criteria you should also be considering, by your standards, dumb comb. | ||
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On October 08 2013 00:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: If someone claims cop and you are the real cop, you counter-claim him and get him killed. As been said, you hosted Noire where town fucked up with CCing. That's simple, you cc. Period. You didn't, you only claimed when you had to. You are scum. I'm gonna tell you again, I've played cop exactly zero times. Blue exactly zero times except PTP where everyone was blueish. In one of my newbie games this EXACT THING happened. grush claimed cop as town. The real cop did not claim until much later because he just wasnt sure wtf to do. This happens rayn. | ||
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On October 08 2013 00:59 WaveofShadow wrote: I've been a dumb cop before Solstice. I had to claim real early and even had scum trying to paint my claim as fake. But the dumb stuff I did (and this was my third or 4th mafia game ever) wasn't anything like this. I have to just keep repeating the mantra to myself to get me through another 4 hours. Occam's Razor. Occam's Razor. Occam's Razor. Occam's Razor. That's because this game is very very atypical. two scum teams in a mini. of course it wouldn't resemble what your past experiences are. | ||
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On October 08 2013 02:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: Thanks Solstice. Which team are you in? Not sure if I want to answer this. I got serious warm fuzzies from town this game in general though so hmmmmmm | ||
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love to see that after watching noire. not even mad right now. | ||
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On October 08 2013 02:13 VayneAuthority wrote: giving us 3 more hours to figure out the game is fairly close to playing against wincon, i wouldnt for honors sake. let us see the flip son yea that's why I probably wont. | ||
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On October 08 2013 02:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: There are better possible lynches if Sol is the last banger dude. And him possily living through the lynch is not playing against his wincon. I'm listening.. Do your thing and I'll vote where I vote. | ||
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On October 08 2013 02:20 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: s0lstice yeah props on the fakeclaim, had me paranoid most of the day. ty for making use of the seal I sent you <3 thank YOU qtpie | ||
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On October 08 2013 02:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: So Sol, how is it? Deal or no deal? Your choise. gimme a bit im still turning over possibilities. what is the plan if I agree? | ||
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On October 08 2013 02:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: If we can figure out a better lynch (that is scum) for this phase you get to live and shoot scum during nights and every time you do so we do not lynch you. in this scenario, other team is going to be forced to kill me right off the bat if i'm potentially throwing kp their way. i'm trying to see if this actually leads to a chance to win for me. | ||
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On October 08 2013 03:06 austinmcc wrote: ##vote: s0lstice look at this vote with no explanation scum + Show Spoiler + jk | ||
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action means i'm fucking one faction. inaction means im only fucking myself. and to boot i dont really see a REAL path to victory by helping one side or the other. think im gonna sit out. | ||
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On October 08 2013 03:10 WaveofShadow wrote: Random thought: Solstice did you babyseal so as to end discussion for the rest of the day? (making you a baller) Maybe didn't bank on Rayn's 'make a deal' scenarios? Solstice could very well be wasting our time right at the end right now and have no intention in considering a deal. Anyway carry on. I just don't see a deal that really gives me a shot at winning. This is not the same as survivor. | ||
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On October 08 2013 03:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: Solstice, last chance, do you want to take the deal or not? No. I can't win. It's basically impossible so I'd rather sit out. | ||
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On October 08 2013 03:17 austinmcc wrote: You can win in our hearts. WHY CLAIM COP? why not? | ||
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On October 08 2013 03:23 austinmcc wrote: Cuz you could have gone mano e mano against CC. Instead, you forced yourself to die. What if I wanted to kill Koshi? | ||
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On October 08 2013 03:27 austinmcc wrote: I think you had a much better chance of suiciding into CC, or maybe getting scum CC, than you did getting Koshi killed. what does a boy do for lulz around here anyway?! | ||
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On October 08 2013 03:31 WaveofShadow wrote: I'd say this but Rayn is probably the ONLY person I have ever seen this kindof thing work for in the past. this is why he will keep doing it : / i am a firm believer in no lying as town | ||
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On October 08 2013 03:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Everyone who is town should have "agreed with me" to make Solstice feel comfortable and make him feel like he has higher chances of survival. Instead you shouted the possibly brilliant plan down for no reason. nope | ||
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On October 08 2013 03:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't believe you because you are scum. :D Naturally but seriously though there are so many confounding variables in the equation. make gambit-->town should react in way X-->those who dont are scum How townies should react is colored by each individual play style and how each person views the game at the moment. This confounds the transition from step 2 to step 3. Townies act suspicious/do not make the smart play all the time and you have no way of accounting for that. | ||
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On October 08 2013 03:49 WaveofShadow wrote: I wasn't paranoid about your actions. i just didn't really think anything was going to come of it. Solstice any particular reason you chose me for a fake townread? DOES THAT MEAN YOU THINK IM TOWNIE? AMG <3 Yea plus this sets you up for the long game hue | ||
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On October 08 2013 04:02 Koshi wrote: Sorry. 60 pages so 1200 posts were needed and after that people were reliefed they were right. Got to respect rayn, VA and pandain for seeing through the bullshit instantly. yup your biased! | ||
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On October 08 2013 04:19 austinmcc wrote: Sunny and 70. Not a shitstorm in the sky. I, for one, am happy that if s0lstice is mafia, we lynched mafia. I am, however, very sad because I thought I might have a brother in role idiocy. But apparently no. sorry I might still be an idiot, I just don't know yet. That help? | ||
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On October 08 2013 04:28 Koshi wrote: Better flip past banger. Also did you shoot VE? We might spare your life if you tell the truth. your hubris is unwarranted and kinda cute. i knew i liked you. | ||
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want to say again how proud I am of town. serious warm fuzzies after noire. still hope you guys lose though ;D DRB 4 life. go team go. gg | ||
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On October 12 2013 12:45 austinmcc wrote: Oh man, WTF OBS. WHY WAS I MAFIA? Jeez. Even SOLSTICE calling me frigging mafia? Also, CR, I'm actually really interested in why/how you claimed. Were you actually just giving up? Were you trying to save other team? Trying to look townie? it came from the massive respect I have for you if it makes you feel better I overthought it. Pandain tunneling Vayne during Palmar's lynch day was basically a scum claim but I deaked myself out of the right conclusion there. Anyway, the cop claim. It was an idea I had as we were having trouble with thread control. I don't have any animosity towards Ray, but a third member throwing some weight around would have been helpful. I was pretty certain we were going to be lynching mafia that day, in part because of the thread control problem, and in part because the townies were looking pretty town in general. I didn't want it to be the last banger (for reasons you guys know), and CC and I bussing CR for example doesn't set us up very well as he would have been an extremely easy to see through bus. That didn't leave a lot of options, so we went with a crazy one. I could have just went 1v1 with Mr. CC, but this wouldn't have set the winner up very well either. It wasn't hard to see that scum needed to make a play that day, and a simple mano-e-mano would be far too transparent. We needed to go deeper down the rabbit hole. I claim cop, CC outs me. Worst outcome is I die and CC gets some cred that takes some serious mental horsepower to defuse. Best case is if we hit the 5% chance of actually lynching Koshi. In both cases, we are saving the last Banger. I threw the idea out in the QT and Mr. CC pulled the trigger when things looked dire. | ||
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austin for town mvp imo. you would be 1000% more dangerous if you could just tone down the paranoia ;D | ||
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On October 12 2013 13:17 WaveofShadow wrote: It's HARD to do that. It's like an infection. hah I know. you two are cut from the same cloth. thank you for a fun and challenging game. | ||
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