Thug Life Mini Mafia

On September 26 2013 22:20 marvellosity wrote:
That would imply either of you are capable of being reasonable

:OOOO

On September 27 2013 01:32 WaveofShadow wrote:
I know this is completely unrelated to anything, but I didn't know where to put it (since I'm dead in LXII).
Someone needs to make Personality Mafia 3 so I can be Koshi.

dnu dnu dnu dnu dnu

On September 27 2013 22:33 Koshi wrote:
rayn, your opinion on Grack?

On September 27 2013 22:36 Palmar wrote:


I haven't decided yet.

On September 27 2013 22:52 Palmar wrote:
It's completely viable to have a town read at this point in the game, I have a few people I'm leaning town on myself. However it's wildly inconsistent for yamato to proclaim his townread on me, and then proceed to ignore everything I'm saying, in favor of a policy lynch with almost nothing to back it up.

I think VE is town, that's given 2 scumteams... is that strange?

On September 27 2013 22:55 Koshi wrote:
Again not on me? What is dis world I live in?

On September 27 2013 22:59 Palmar wrote:


Explain please?

On September 27 2013 23:04 Oatsmaster wrote:
Leading on, rayn, how do you have these townreads on me and VE?

On September 27 2013 23:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
But Palmar is?
I dont understand man.

On September 27 2013 23:09 Oatsmaster wrote:

I kinda do need to understand how you formulate reads to know if you are town or scum.
For example, I think that your current reads on me and VE are not very well substantiated and you are avoiding giving Palmar a town read for no good reason.

On September 27 2013 23:30 Palmar wrote:


Given this, I really don't understand this:



You wouldn't be asking this question unless you thought there was something fishy about yamato's townread on me. But because what I'm saying makes sense, according to yourself, I would think that grounds enough for thinking I'm town. Do you think yamato should have further reservations? Do you think it's suspicious that he doesn't?

On September 27 2013 23:47 Palmar wrote:




The bolded sentences could be considered inconsistent, especially in the light that your suspicion on WoS came pretty much out of the blue while in the middle of an entirely different discussion.

For someone who's willing to throw Oats a townread for basically nothing but being an asshole, I find it very surprising that you have a problem with yamato giving me a townread for making sense.

That, too, seems inconsistent.

On September 28 2013 00:18 Palmar wrote:


I don't want you to reconsider your vote. In fact I agree WoS's entry post was absolutely awful. I'm not questioning whether or not you're right, I'm questioning your motivation and methods. I'm not trying to go after WoS right now, I'm trying to determine your alignment.

So no, I'm not not going to give you good reasons for being awful, because there aren't any.

What you have to demonstrate is why this suspicion should be considered over other people who've been mentioned as possible lynch candidates. It very well could be, I haven't paid much attention to WoS, and there's actually a great benefit of putting WoS under massive pressure, given what I know about his playstyle.

On September 28 2013 00:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
lol I voted for WoS first.

On September 28 2013 00:43 Grackaroni wrote:
lol Rayn you had 20 other pages in that game saying why every other townie was scum. Don't act like you were right all game and just got ignored. You were on the right track at the start and had it solved at the end.

On September 28 2013 00:45 VisceraEyes wrote:


If I find something suspicious about Cheesecake, I can assure you it has nothing to do with you specifically. My problem lies with Cheesecake and how he presented his suspicion.

On September 28 2013 00:51 VisceraEyes wrote:

I don't understand the question. Could you rephrase it?

On September 28 2013 01:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
Im not sure that you are town WoS
Can you claim doc or something to make me sure?

On September 28 2013 01:12 VisceraEyes wrote:

But it's presently the same stance as mine

I like his stance on Yamato just fine.

On September 28 2013 01:13 WaveofShadow wrote:

Koshi can you show me where I specifically did this?
I assume you're taking my calling town shit as 'town is shit if they lynch me cuz town always lynch town D1 and they bad lololol?'
Where did I ever talk about myself getting lynched? Does my posting somehow belie that I am worried about it?
Like....the first post where you brought up feeling bad about me made me think you were town but this one has me stumped. Again I'm inclined to think town because this is just such a convoluted way of thinking to come from scum.

On September 28 2013 03:38 FirmTofu wrote:

Absent and defending me. Everytime that's happened, he's been scum.

On September 28 2013 03:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
Hai Rayn.
Why didn't you tear up my post?

On September 28 2013 03:52 Koshi wrote:

Pretty sure you pushed FT lynch in GoT. Don't remember any other games you flipped scum in. So yeah. FT full of shit.

On September 28 2013 02:41 WaveofShadow wrote:
Epiphany: Rayn is scum.

He is pushing me really strongly off the bat and entering his shit-rayn tunnel-mode. He is capable of this as both town and scum. Why does this make him scum? He knows he can get me lynched.

When we were both town in Persona he pushed me relentlessly and got me lynched D1 (I played a shit game and probs deserved it but whatever). I didn't go down without a fight and much of that first day was us calling each other scum---and yet he won in the end with spam and yelling and whatnot as Rayn is wont to do. Rayn's original reasoning outside of this case on me that game is because I was being belligerent and refusing to address him, 'even though he gave me chances.' He gave me a few opportunities to deal with him but I didn't want to bother, so he got me lynched. He learned his lesson about this supposedly after the game and so I believe as town he wouldn't attempt this sort of a push again because of how detrimental it would be to the atmosphere and to the town in general.

In this game yes I am being belligerent once again but I am also being transparent and actively engaging everyone. Scum Rayn has picked out that he can try and get me lynched based on the belligerence and perceived 'emo-ness' of my posting thus far despite the fact that I am playing fundamentally differently to Persona, and ultimately way more towny. Given the chance, he may very well succeed as overall Rayn is pretty damn good at pushing lynches. He is taking the 'safe' route here---something he knows he can get done and he won't look overly bad when I do flip town because not only do some other people suspect me atm, but it is something a town Rayn 'would' do.

Rayn and Vayne, the rhyming scum.
(Not necessarily on same team though )

On September 28 2013 04:10 ShiaoPi wrote:

koshi still scum though

On September 28 2013 04:13 Koshi wrote:
Let's imagine a Grack/FT scumteam and you guys rng lynch me.
That would be epic.

On September 28 2013 04:19 strongandbig wrote:

i dont like this post. rayn clearly indicated that palmar making sense was not alignment indicative. but palmar is trying to twist/recast that reasoning into rayn having had a townread on him.

either intentional, in which case scummy, or unintentional, in which case this really doesn't fit with the brooks-no-nonsense-or-illogicalness palmar we know and love.

then there's another thing. Palmar is voting for yamato right now, but he's made cases for why at least two other people (grack and hiro) are actively scummy. (his "pattern finding"). whereas he's said pretty much nothing about yamato. what's the point of putting emphasis on pattern finding if you're not going to actually use it to kill scum.

Also, I think one thing scum players love to do is give advice and not follow it:




And the last thing:

Who else thinks it's weird that palmar posted this, then didn't say anything in terms of analysis of what came out of it? Like, someone even asked him to say something about vayne based on it, and he didn't mention it at all.

My impression of palmar from his opening shenanigans in other games is that he likes to get something from them. When he proposes a random lynch or other stupid policy, he has a very specific set of goals in mind as town for information he wants to get from the shenanigans and peoples' reactions to them. This game, I don't see that.

Yes, I do think palmar is cocky enough to claim scum as scum.

On September 28 2013 04:23 strongandbig wrote:

um
wat
you think he's scum but you don't want to kill him?
....

On September 28 2013 04:22 strongandbig wrote:
##vote: palmar for now. when's deadline again? 02:00 GMT (+00:00)?

On September 28 2013 05:54 yamato77 wrote:

This post is horrible. Saying WoS is being a shithead and voting him for it are two different things. Rayn is worthy of a hard look for this shit.

On September 28 2013 17:22 hiro protagonist wrote:
There actions. Panda put an effort into a real case. A convincing one at that. Oats has been calling people out on there bullshit all game long. Do you have conflicting views in this regard? More importantly do you have someone you want to lynch? You haven't voted yet ether.

On September 28 2013 18:18 yamato77 wrote:
I am clearly mafia.

POLICE

2 Police (Buddy Cop Team) - By-the-book and loose-cannon cops. Both have a number of items which they can use a set number of times. Some items are exclusive to each cop, others are not. Here is the list:

Precision Shot: if aimed at an unprotected townie, the shot will not fire and be refunded. If aimed at a bulletproofed townie, the cop will think the townie is up to no good and shoot, destroying the vest (but not killing townie). If aimed at a scum, the shot fires and scum will die assuming no protection.

Cocaine-Covered Prius: If delivered to a gang member, will roleblock his entire gang for the night. If delivered to a townie, they will ignore it and you will get your Prius back.

Ambulance: protects a player from any and all KP that night. Can be used on either cop.

Lethal Force: Target one player and he will be shot at the end of the night.

Hollywood CPR: protects target from 1 KP. Target will die if hit by more than 1 KP.

Motorcycle: Switches any two players in the game. All actions done to one player will be done to the other, and vice versa (bus driver).

Walkie-Talkie: For the following day-phase, the player may talk to the target in PM’s.

Stakeout: Shows if the target visited someone at night. Works on the nightkill and all 1 KP abilities that have a target. Also works on sleepwalker and molotov.

On September 28 2013 19:12 Koshi wrote:
... I dont get what you are saying.

On September 28 2013 19:17 Koshi wrote:

Its going to be night actions lol. How OP would that be.

On September 28 2013 19:27 Palmar wrote:
But WoS isn't scum, that's bad and awful plan rayn.

On September 28 2013 19:58 Oatsmaster wrote:
So Yamato, horrible town include palmar and VE and BH.

I see.

Rayn, how does point 3 make WoS mafia? All I see is that it makes him forgetful.

On September 28 2013 21:13 Palmar wrote:


I agree it's a strange mistake to make. Just so we're clear, you're assuming that he's LYING about forgetting, not that he actually forgot, right?

On September 28 2013 21:19 Oatsmaster wrote:

I think that backing off from it is townie

On September 28 2013 21:37 Palmar wrote:
We're not lynching WoS rayn, even based on activity alone it makes almost no sense.

On September 28 2013 22:05 Palmar wrote:

Why?

On September 28 2013 22:18 Palmar wrote:


No it isn't.

Anyway, he's not getting lynched so this discussion is useless.

On September 28 2013 22:15 Koshi wrote:
I cannot believe FT with 2 scumreads is on my ass
CR where is your.love? I need your love now.
Grack move your ass off me if you are town.
WoS you the same. This isnt funny anymore. I will hate you the most for this lynch.
Palmar be sensible plz.

The rest of you are fuckers and no longer my bros.

On September 28 2013 22:37 Koshi wrote:
You are a the Joker. I am Batman.

On September 28 2013 22:44 Koshi wrote:

Who am I?

On September 28 2013 22:46 Palmar wrote:


The one argument I have presented is based on activity.

And hell, that's good enough argument to rather try to lynch Rol, or Hiro etc.

On September 28 2013 22:51 Koshi wrote:

Can you bust some kneecaps then? I have bandages with Hello Kitty for after.

On September 28 2013 19:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay this is why WaveofShadow is mafia:

1) His opening posts are horrible, town!WoS is not horrible. He is promoting bad town atmosphere and that's not a thing a townie should ever be doing and he knows it. His emoness is stupid filler in his post and it's not necessary. It's faked.

2) His case one me was really bad. The things he said about me do not make me mafia, it's about last game i tunneled him and the purpose of that post is not to get me lynched (he doesn't really even try it). He is just producing "content" that serves no purpose and on top of that is wrong, the only reason for his post is "don't listen to rayn, he is bad".

3) After that he retracts from his comment about me being scum. If he is town, in the first place (as he has called me scum) he has read my posts, correct? Correct! Well what does WoS do after that. He says "no rayn is town after all". Okay. What's his next post? "Oh shit i forgot, multiple scumteams, maybe rayn is scum after all". There is no way WoS does not remember there are multiple scumteams in case he is town. In case he is town he has read my posts and a lot of my posts talk about Palmar and him not being necessarily town because of multiple scumteams in this game. Therefore, if WoS is town, he cannot "not remember the existance of multiple scumteams". This is the most damning evidence and it makes WaveofShadow scum.

ggnore

On September 29 2013 02:11 WaveofShadow wrote:

You want me to answer it, link it to me.
Pretty simple.
Lol in Persona it was scummy because I didn't want to bother with you, now it's scummy because I do?
You;re a super cutie.

Is there anything I can ever do that you won't find scummy when you're in retard-rayn-tunnel-mode?
I think not.

On September 29 2013 02:15 WaveofShadow wrote:


1) Not faked. Ask anyone who I talked to after I died in Noire. I admitted it was a little over the top shortly after that but I am legitimately annoyed I rolled town this game.

2) You're right that it was bad, but I was expressing my thoughts. I have zero issues doing that, as you can see from your third point. Why would I bother posting that I forgot something at all if mafia? You honestly think it's worth it for me as scum to risk people like you tunneling on something that appears fake?'

3) It has nothing to do with me not remembering the presence of multiple scumteams, it's HOW the presence of those multiple scumteams affects my read which I thought about while posting this. It was stream-of-consciousness. A scumteam in this game does not act like normal scum because they legitimately need to scumhunt, which affects the way you play. I know it would affect mine in that way.

On September 29 2013 02:19 WaveofShadow wrote:

Don't you fucking dare tell me I haven't been scumhunting/attempting to find mafia this game.

I have scumreads on VA since nearly the fucking start, yamato has done dick all this game which means he probs scum (though it worries me slightly that he's somewhat of a popular side-wagon), FT likely scum due to his horrible opening posts.

Rayn nothing I will do once you've gotten like this will ever appease you. You know and I know it. So keep pushing your retarded tunnel for the rest of the day. Either people will listen to you or they won't. I don't want to turn this into Persona D1, I'd actually like to be useful for the rest of today if town is actually REALLY fucking retarded and listens to you.

On September 29 2013 02:36 WaveofShadow wrote:

I can't Rayn. I am not making it up, but I honestly cannot tell you. If that makes me scum so be it.

On September 29 2013 02:37 Blazinghand wrote:
"hey guys there's been no resistance to the WoS lynch"

"but WoS isn't getting lynched how can you even-"

"herp derp it's raising my hackles"


ughhhhhhhhhh why did i even wake up today

On September 29 2013 02:38 Blazinghand wrote:
lol rayne you're just throwing your vote away. nobody's lynching me today. It's day 1 and i'm blazinghand and I fucking made the RNG discussion when there would be no reason to do that except as town. get off your high horse

The RNG stuff is totally non-alignment indicative, the way you went with it is.

On September 29 2013 02:44 strongandbig wrote:
Also palmar is still scum. Basically it looks like he jumped on the random lynch wagon instead of pushing his scum read because it was easier and because he's been captain random lynvh in past town games. But the thing is, he has been captain random lunch because it gives valuable analysis, never just for the purpose of circumventing analysis I on say one. But here we have all the positions to analyze but instead of doing that or pushing his scum read he is down with random lunching. Put that with my earlier case and we should be voting pmar.

Did anyone ever actually disagree with or counter my case? Cause I will argue with them if so. We should be voting palmar ibaread of koshi.

On September 29 2013 02:46 Palmar wrote:


So here's a thought, how about instead of being awful, now that you agree WoS isn't scum, you actually spend the tiny amount of time to consider the people who are you know... actually likely to flip scum.

FT, Hiro, RoL: Go!

On September 29 2013 02:47 WaveofShadow wrote:

Rayn please just fucking stop.
Frenzied rayn is shit useless rayn.
Sit back, get a cup of tea or something, and start using your brain, please. Pick a scumread and stick with it with 2 hours to go imo.

On September 29 2013 02:53 Palmar wrote:


WoS is historically awful unless he's taken massive improvements since I last played with him. I mentioned there being a benefit in putting him under pressure at some point, the reason being that I played a game with him where he was town and bad until people wanted to lynch him, and somehow he actually became useful when under pressure. I think this was that game where BC quickhammered me because why not.

However, if WoS is scum, as you suggested at the point, he's engaging very casually in conversation in the thread, making big posts and directly conversing with people. Maybe he's good as scum, but for the most part just doing that is pretty advanced and better than what I'd expect out of WoS.

On September 29 2013 03:20 Palmar wrote:


Hi. Stop talking shit. You don't know my stance on yamato.

On September 29 2013 03:29 Palmar wrote:
Just curious rayn. Do you think I want to lynch yamato?

On October 01 2013 05:09 Grackaroni wrote:
Rayn who should we lynch?

On October 01 2013 21:36 Palmar wrote:
Also, you have YET to explain where I took any kind of "stance on yamato".

Please do, before you continue bringing this fabrication up.

That's basically my point regarding Oats. There is a difference in his town and scum play. It has nothing to do with if he is making sense or not. He basically is an asshole as town. He makes a lot more sense as scum and he is more careful.

That does not apply to you, or me, or BH for example. What you have said so far does not make you town. Whatever you do on D1, even if you lynch scum, does not make you town. You know it and yamato should know it too. That's what's wrong in his read on you.

On October 01 2013 23:07 Oatsmaster wrote:
So rayn, palmar's scum and town meta are the same?

On October 01 2013 23:10 Palmar wrote:


I have no idea what you're saying.

Let me try to wrap my head around it.

You're saying that your read on Oats/VE is legit because it's a meta read.

You're saying yamato's read on me is not legit because it's based on me making sense.

Even if we ignore how insane the above is (especially now that yamato flipped town) it's also factually incorrect. Yamato never explained what his read on me was based on as far as I remember, I don't recall him saying I'm town because I make sense.

It was literally this:



So how do you know he didn't just.. you know actually read the thread and figure the right answer out?

On October 02 2013 00:25 Grackaroni wrote:
Rayn why are you less aggressive this game?

On October 02 2013 00:48 Palmar wrote:

So if you're demotivated, why don't we just lynch you, thus you don't have to try to convince anyone your reads are genuine, and you don't have to play.

Deal?

On October 02 2013 01:03 ShiaoPi wrote:
well got to go soon, hoped to catch solstice or Mr.CC in thread as well but whatever.

Get off FT and VA and go lynch Mr.CC instead

How did this part of his long post on Hiro got buried?


I am totally a viable lynch candidate so why the fuck shoot me instead of lynching??
The longer posts he did were all on easy candidates, but still I cannot wrap my head around why he wants to shoot me instead of lynching, makes zero sense.

##Vote: Mr.Cheesecake

On October 02 2013 01:44 WaveofShadow wrote:
Catching up, but I gotta say I feel pretty good about Palms being town.
3 pages back atm.

Rayn, I am not letting you off the hook. Your reads on me have been weird as shit this game----you gave up your original tunnel pretty quick, then tried to get back on it after the first day and then just got off again?
Sick =/= explanation. Let's hear it.

On October 02 2013 01:55 Grackaroni wrote:
hahaha Rayn I'm like confirmed town.

On October 02 2013 01:57 WaveofShadow wrote:

VA: You always think you have games figured out even when you don't.


Rayn I like that last post even if I don't necessarily agree with the reads. Find it difficult to believe you'd put that much thought into trying to actually determine both scumteams through association as scum, though I suppose that's predicated on whether those scumteams/reads make sense in relation to each other, which I haven't done the fact checking on.

No martyring. If you're town I'm not lynching you and I'm not lynching Palmar. It would be nice to have a game where we both have solid townreads on each other for once---can you please try and discover what it was exactly that made you change your mind about me for the final time? That really confuses me.

On September 29 2013 02:36 WaveofShadow wrote:

I can't Rayn. I am not making it up, but I honestly cannot tell you. If that makes me scum so be it.

On October 02 2013 02:06 WaveofShadow wrote:
VAYNE YOU FUCKING IDIOT. (ADHOMADHOMADHOMADHOM)
You said 'I'll ahve this game figured out.'
You always say shit like 'My D1 reads are always accurate.'
So based on my observances of you I make a statement that that is false.

Do you need me to come over to your house and spell it out with fucking fisher price letters?

Holy balls you are infuriatingly obtuse.

On October 02 2013 02:10 WaveofShadow wrote:

HAHA
No, that's not quite it but I do think you and I are on the same page with this one. I know exactly what I was thinking at the time and I'm thinking maybe you might have caught on too.

Problem is, I'm not entirely sure why that constitutes a townread of me.

On October 02 2013 02:26 Oatsmaster wrote:
what the fuck rayn
I asked you to explain this.

What reason is there to say that you are a lynch candidate if you are scum? There is no reason to.

On October 02 2013 03:29 austinmcc wrote:
Don't want to lynch FT or ShiaoPi.

Happy with Koshi, Solstice, probably CR, possibly Pandain.

##vote: s0Lstice

Hiro, could you share some thoughts on people who aren't FT and ShiaoPi? Maybe take a look at rayn/palmar arguing, a peek at CR, and whatchoo thinkin' bout solstice?

On October 03 2013 02:18 Oatsmaster wrote:
I say we lynch Palmar. What do you guys think?

On October 03 2013 02:45 Grackaroni wrote:
Koshi totes VT. Check Hiro IMO

On October 05 2013 00:28 austinmcc wrote:
And scum only defend scumbuddies! They never defend townies.

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Trying not to play the "toss everything Palmar says on the scummy pile" game, but this statement is just lazy/bad/anti-town.

I guarantee you FT doesn't have magical powers where his being alive prevents people from posting, from reading, from doing anything. If he survives another 18,000 nights, we'll all have the capacity to read and post.

On October 05 2013 00:43 austinmcc wrote:
I have one in particular in mind. One of the dudes on the player list.

On October 05 2013 00:46 Pandain wrote:
Lets not talk about cop claims except to say no one has really claimed cop.


Palmar I picked up on Koshi too but why mention it? He obviously didn't get shot by scum last night so why bring it to their attention?

On October 05 2013 00:49 Pandain wrote:

No he didn't stop spreading this lie tell me where he said FT is town

On October 05 2013 00:51 Pandain wrote:

Except apparently scum did. Maybe scum team is bad? Why point it out. I see you using it to indirectly justify a town read on Rayn but he isn't getting lynched so there was no reason to talk about it.

That's a major reason Austin is town to me for downplaying it

On October 05 2013 00:54 Pandain wrote:
Because a palmar lynch is bad

On October 05 2013 00:54 austinmcc wrote:
Because people look at their original reads and think they must be right. Like VE's "less townie" on Palmar, I think people liked his early play and aren't taking a fresh look at his play in full.

Personal theory.

On October 05 2013 00:58 Koshi wrote:
Oh and rayn is 100%. I am keeping 1 townie a secret. Dnu why.

Fucking wasting every blue role I get D:

On October 05 2013 01:16 WaveofShadow wrote:

Palmar didn't help town a great deal in LXI either and was a lot of the reason people were all over him all game (aside from the triple cop claim caper).

On October 05 2013 01:34 WaveofShadow wrote:
I don't really find Cheese suspicious.

On October 05 2013 04:40 VayneAuthority wrote:
?? we just played golden sun where I tried to get you killed all game until doctor claim lol

On October 05 2013 04:51 WaveofShadow wrote:
I have my FT vote copy/paste ready though in case of ninjavote.

On October 05 2013 05:31 VayneAuthority wrote:


you should absolutely vest, we need both of you alive or to at least eat double stacks to finish this game

On October 05 2013 05:31 Koshi wrote:
Need to find the last Banger.
Prior 1

Do you think he is a banger rayn?

On October 05 2013 05:32 Koshi wrote:

What should I do? I got 4 options.

On October 05 2013 05:37 VisceraEyes wrote:

You speak like the last member on his team.

But to your credit, you're about here now.

On October 05 2013 05:46 WaveofShadow wrote:
So if SnB/Palmar were bussing hardcore do we think 3rd Motor banger whatever was too? Worth thinking about?

On October 05 2013 05:50 WaveofShadow wrote:

I was thinking that but I don't know if we really have a way of knowing.
Rayn why are you so chummy with me?
With all of the other suspicion toward me going around atm I would expect you of all people to be all over that.
Especially since you started out the game with me as scum.

On October 05 2013 05:56 VayneAuthority wrote:
Austin is capable of good scum games and it would explain his s0lstice obsession. he hasn't commented on other lurkers like cheesecake really.

also pandain is basically confirmed other team scum, I was right at the beginning in thinking that wasn't fake. palmar claimed motor city banger and pandain came in and said he's from the opposite scum team. More on why pandain is scum when you know what happens

On October 05 2013 01:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Pandain is also scum, most likely. He's been going so hard against the thread sentiment it's unbelieveable. Like nothing anyone else says makes sense to him... How's that possible?