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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 23 2013 17:04 GMT
#13
lol this sounds hilarious.
/in
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 26 2013 13:04 GMT
#81
/cop with Koshi plz
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raynpelikoneet
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Finland43268 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-26 13:19:56
September 26 2013 13:18 GMT
#83
Good cop bad cop. Let's do it! :D

I mean, let's do it regardless of anything. When we attack a target one of us acts like an idiot and the other one is reasonable. haha. ^_^

j/k
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 26 2013 13:22 GMT
#85
On September 26 2013 22:20 marvellosity wrote:
That would imply either of you are capable of being reasonable

:OOOO

scumclaim. only one of us needs to be able to be that.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 26 2013 18:06 GMT
#95
On September 27 2013 01:32 WaveofShadow wrote:
I know this is completely unrelated to anything, but I didn't know where to put it (since I'm dead in LXII).
Someone needs to make Personality Mafia 3 so I can be Koshi.

dnu dnu dnu dnu dnu


The guy who "gets" to be me has no future. :D
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 27 2013 13:23 GMT
#505
Palmar are you planning on lynching mafia D1 even if you are scum?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 27 2013 13:39 GMT
#509
On September 27 2013 22:33 Koshi wrote:
rayn, your opinion on Grack?

I dunno yet, leaning town.

On September 27 2013 22:36 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2013 22:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Palmar are you planning on lynching mafia D1 even if you are scum?


I haven't decided yet.

Interesting, should we lynch you?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 27 2013 13:45 GMT
#512
How can yamato even say you are town Palmar?
That's a surreal suggestion given there are 2 scumteams.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 27 2013 13:53 GMT
#517
On September 27 2013 22:52 Palmar wrote:
It's completely viable to have a town read at this point in the game, I have a few people I'm leaning town on myself. However it's wildly inconsistent for yamato to proclaim his townread on me, and then proceed to ignore everything I'm saying, in favor of a policy lynch with almost nothing to back it up.

I think VE is town, that's given 2 scumteams... is that strange?

No i think it's not impossible to have town reads. I think it's impossible to have a town read on you at this point.

I think VE is town aswell, i also think Oats is town.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 27 2013 13:58 GMT
#519
On September 27 2013 22:55 Koshi wrote:
Again not on me? What is dis world I live in?

You are not enought town to be town with VE and Oats. You are lesser town, get it? :p
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 27 2013 14:01 GMT
#522
On September 27 2013 22:59 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2013 22:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 27 2013 22:52 Palmar wrote:
It's completely viable to have a town read at this point in the game, I have a few people I'm leaning town on myself. However it's wildly inconsistent for yamato to proclaim his townread on me, and then proceed to ignore everything I'm saying, in favor of a policy lynch with almost nothing to back it up.

I think VE is town, that's given 2 scumteams... is that strange?

I think it's impossible to have a town read on you at this point.


Explain please?

Because even if you make sense in a townie way you can be attacking a member of another scumteam -> it's possible to genuinely scumhunt and look town even if you are scum.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 27 2013 14:05 GMT
#524
On September 27 2013 23:04 Oatsmaster wrote:
Leading on, rayn, how do you have these townreads on me and VE?

Both of you are not making sense in a scumy way.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 27 2013 14:07 GMT
#526
On September 27 2013 23:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
But Palmar is?
I dont understand man.

It doesn't matter, you don't need to understand.

I kinda wanna lynch WoS.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 27 2013 14:13 GMT
#529
On September 27 2013 23:09 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2013 23:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 27 2013 23:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
But Palmar is?
I dont understand man.

It doesn't matter, you don't need to understand.

I kinda wanna lynch WoS.

I kinda do need to understand how you formulate reads to know if you are town or scum.
For example, I think that your current reads on me and VE are not very well substantiated and you are avoiding giving Palmar a town read for no good reason.

It's the style of your posts.
Why should i geve Palmar a town read if i don't think he's necessarily town?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 27 2013 14:22 GMT
#533
I don't know if Palmar is scum. What he says makes a lot of sense. I am probably going to sheep him on D1 in case i feel like he is really trying to lynch scum (regardless of his alignment).

Atm i wanna lynch WoS.
##Vote: WaveofShadow
The only thing i have found out that's really unlike to come from a townie is him shitting on town before the game hasn't even started fully. Another thing is that he is overly emo and i think he is faking it.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 27 2013 14:34 GMT
#540
On September 27 2013 23:30 Palmar wrote:
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On September 27 2013 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't know if Palmar is scum. What he says makes a lot of sense. I am probably going to sheep him on D1 in case i feel like he is really trying to lynch scum (regardless of his alignment).


Given this, I really don't understand this:

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On September 27 2013 22:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
How can yamato even say you are town Palmar?


You wouldn't be asking this question unless you thought there was something fishy about yamato's townread on me. But because what I'm saying makes sense, according to yourself, I would think that grounds enough for thinking I'm town. Do you think yamato should have further reservations? Do you think it's suspicious that he doesn't?

Yes i think it's suspicious that he declareas you town. In this game making sense in a townie way does not necessarily mean you are town, you might just be attacking another scumteam. yamato should know that your posting this far does not make you town.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 27 2013 14:43 GMT
#543
Okay so Koshi has to be town for understanding what i say and Oats has to be town for not understanding what i say.
Isn't it nice how this game works. :D
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 27 2013 14:49 GMT
#547
Koshi can you explain what i mean to these people. I know you can do it. ^^
Joking aside, i'll explain in a bit, gotta smoke first.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 27 2013 14:58 GMT
#552
On September 27 2013 23:47 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2013 23:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 27 2013 23:30 Palmar wrote:
On September 27 2013 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't know if Palmar is scum. What he says makes a lot of sense. I am probably going to sheep him on D1 in case i feel like he is really trying to lynch scum (regardless of his alignment).


Given this, I really don't understand this:

On September 27 2013 22:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
How can yamato even say you are town Palmar?


You wouldn't be asking this question unless you thought there was something fishy about yamato's townread on me. But because what I'm saying makes sense, according to yourself, I would think that grounds enough for thinking I'm town. Do you think yamato should have further reservations? Do you think it's suspicious that he doesn't?

Yes i think it's suspicious that he declareas you town. In this game making sense in a townie way does not necessarily mean you are town, you might just be attacking another scumteam. yamato should know that your posting this far does not make you town.


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On September 27 2013 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't know if Palmar is scum. What he says makes a lot of sense. I am probably going to sheep him on D1 in case i feel like he is really trying to lynch scum (regardless of his alignment).

Atm i wanna lynch WoS.
##Vote: WaveofShadow
The only thing i have found out that's really unlike to come from a townie is him shitting on town before the game hasn't even started fully. Another thing is that he is overly emo and i think he is faking it.


The bolded sentences could be considered inconsistent, especially in the light that your suspicion on WoS came pretty much out of the blue while in the middle of an entirely different discussion.

For someone who's willing to throw Oats a townread for basically nothing but being an asshole, I find it very surprising that you have a problem with yamato giving me a townread for making sense.

That, too, seems inconsistent.

That's basically my point regarding Oats. There is a difference in his town and scum play. It has nothing to do with if he is making sense or not. He basically is an asshole as town. He makes a lot more sense as scum and he is more careful.

That does not apply to you, or me, or BH for example. What you have said so far does not make you town. Whatever you do on D1, even if you lynch scum, does not make you town. You know it and yamato should know it too. That's what's wrong in his read on you.

What's wrong with my case on WoS? Are you saying i am not allowed to make a case on him when i am discussing something different? Why does the timing of my case make me scum? Was i supposed to make it in my first post, why?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 27 2013 15:11 GMT
#558
How is my case unconvincing? There is no reason for a townie to shit over the town in the beginning of the game and eclare the game is basically lost. There is zero town motivation in that. If you can give me one good reason why promoting badtown atmosphere is townie then i will reconsider my vot.

I have written big cases in past. It does not work because people don't even read what i write in those cases. My case on WoS is simple and easily to be understood. It doesn't need to have anything else. What makes him scum is enough.

And no, i am not scum, and no, i am not being inconsistent.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 27 2013 15:16 GMT
#561
2, more than any case atm.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 27 2013 15:21 GMT
#566
On September 28 2013 00:18 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2013 00:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
There is no reason for a townie to shit over the town in the beginning of the game and eclare the game is basically lost. There is zero town motivation in that. If you can give me one good reason why promoting badtown atmosphere is townie then i will reconsider my vote.


I don't want you to reconsider your vote. In fact I agree WoS's entry post was absolutely awful. I'm not questioning whether or not you're right, I'm questioning your motivation and methods. I'm not trying to go after WoS right now, I'm trying to determine your alignment.

So no, I'm not not going to give you good reasons for being awful, because there aren't any.

What you have to demonstrate is why this suspicion should be considered over other people who've been mentioned as possible lynch candidates. It very well could be, I haven't paid much attention to WoS, and there's actually a great benefit of putting WoS under massive pressure, given what I know about his playstyle.

What do you consider to be other cases atm? Grackaroni and FT?
FirmTofu is really bad on D1's as town. I don't think him saying what he has makes him scum. Grackaroni is right on what he says about FT. I need more from him to judge his alignment.
I don't even understand the case on Grackaroni so i can't really comment on it.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 27 2013 15:22 GMT
#567
On September 28 2013 00:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
lol I voted for WoS first.

I didn't mean you, i meant Vayne and Koshi as agreeing as they said they agreed.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 27 2013 15:35 GMT
#574
I don't like hiro and i don't like yamato.
But i don't like WoS the most.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 27 2013 15:41 GMT
#585
Palmar, here is the reason why i stopped making big cases.

In Golden Sun i figured BH was scum from his first 3 posts. I got into an argument with Grackaroni on D1 aswell. These were the first things i did in that game. They were both scum. Both of my arguments were called "incredibly bad" by ~80% of the townies. So i doubted myself and looked elsewhere. I tried explaining myself for about 5 pages in my filter, apparently i was not convincing enough. I had a 40 or something page filter in that game. 20 pages of it is me telling people why Vayne, Grackaroni and BH are scum. Nobody listened to me even when i took multiple approaches. I basically did everything i could. The 20 other pages were me arguing with townies who forced me to choose a lynch between a guy who was confirmed town to me by a cop check and a guy who i was 99% sure is town, or townies who forced me to vote for them in LYLO because they wouldn't look at the situation objjectively. Nobody listened. Ever. I really don't care as much as i used to, because that game was so fucked up.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 27 2013 15:46 GMT
#596
On September 28 2013 00:43 Grackaroni wrote:
lol Rayn you had 20 other pages in that game saying why every other townie was scum. Don't act like you were right all game and just got ignored. You were on the right track at the start and had it solved at the end.

Not really, i looked at multiple places on D3 and made possible scenarios. Nobody really gave shit about it and nobody would discuss them. Yeah it might look like that, but it wasn't that. And ofc i was wrong, about Sno being SK for example.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 27 2013 15:47 GMT
#599
On September 28 2013 00:45 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2013 00:43 Oatsmaster wrote:
VE whiteknighting me.
YAY

It was my fault rayn in Golden Sun, although nothing about big cases.


If I find something suspicious about Cheesecake, I can assure you it has nothing to do with you specifically. My problem lies with Cheesecake and how he presented his suspicion.

Could you elaborate on that. I have no idea what to think about his post.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 27 2013 15:49 GMT
#603
VE, does Palmar have to call you town even when he is scum and you are town?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 27 2013 15:58 GMT
#615
On September 28 2013 00:51 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2013 00:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
VE, does Palmar have to call you town even when he is scum and you are town?

I don't understand the question. Could you rephrase it?

Afaik Palmar is really good in reading you, correct?
If he is scum and you are town, does he need to call you town unless he wants you to find him out? I mean, is it possible for him to fake suspicion on you as scum.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 27 2013 16:01 GMT
#620
On September 28 2013 01:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
Im not sure that you are town WoS
Can you claim doc or something to make me sure?

I'm bulletproof.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 27 2013 16:06 GMT
#625
He's clearly avoiding you. scum.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 27 2013 16:10 GMT
#630
It was a joke VE. :p

My problem with Palmar is his stance on yamato. No other problems.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 27 2013 16:13 GMT
#634
On September 28 2013 01:12 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2013 01:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It was a joke VE. :p

My problem with Palmar is his stance on yamato. No other problems.

But it's presently the same stance as mine

I like his stance on Yamato just fine.

So you don't find it odd at all that he makes a big issue of me questioning yamato's townread on him (as in he doesn't think that's scummy), and in the next hour he sheeps you on yamato?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 27 2013 16:15 GMT
#636
On September 28 2013 01:13 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2013 23:45 Koshi wrote:
Well, somewhat ignoring the whole townread thing but I like the vote on WoS. Like I said, the emo stuff makes me want to vote him as wel because he tries to mindfuck us not voting him.

Koshi can you show me where I specifically did this?
I assume you're taking my calling town shit as 'town is shit if they lynch me cuz town always lynch town D1 and they bad lololol?'
Where did I ever talk about myself getting lynched? Does my posting somehow belie that I am worried about it?
Like....the first post where you brought up feeling bad about me made me think you were town but this one has me stumped. Again I'm inclined to think town because this is just such a convoluted way of thinking to come from scum.

So why did you shit over the town in the first place?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 27 2013 16:43 GMT
#655
yeah i don't like Vayne lynch.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 27 2013 17:05 GMT
#666
That's why you should vote for WoS.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 27 2013 17:47 GMT
#688
wow that WoS' post is bad.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 27 2013 18:48 GMT
#778
Does anyone see anything wrong with FT's last post?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 27 2013 18:48 GMT
#779
Oops, got cut, second last. Thi
On September 28 2013 03:38 FirmTofu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2013 03:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
And where is Rayn?

Absent and defending me. Everytime that's happened, he's been scum.

s one:
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 27 2013 18:49 GMT
#780
yeah i am here wos.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 27 2013 18:53 GMT
#784
On September 28 2013 03:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
Hai Rayn.
Why didn't you tear up my post?

Because i don't have to. It's just wrong.

What do you think of what i just said about FT?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 27 2013 18:54 GMT
#786
On September 28 2013 03:52 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2013 03:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oops, got cut, second last. Thi
On September 28 2013 03:38 FirmTofu wrote:
On September 28 2013 03:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
And where is Rayn?

Absent and defending me. Everytime that's happened, he's been scum.

s one:

Pretty sure you pushed FT lynch in GoT. Don't remember any other games you flipped scum in. So yeah. FT full of shit.

FT is like the easiest lynch to push if you are scum. Especially on D1. Yes, he's full of shit.
town or scum full of shit? smells like scum FT again to me.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 27 2013 18:59 GMT
#790
On September 28 2013 02:41 WaveofShadow wrote:
Epiphany: Rayn is scum.

He is pushing me really strongly off the bat and entering his shit-rayn tunnel-mode. He is capable of this as both town and scum. Why does this make him scum? He knows he can get me lynched.

When we were both town in Persona he pushed me relentlessly and got me lynched D1 (I played a shit game and probs deserved it but whatever). I didn't go down without a fight and much of that first day was us calling each other scum---and yet he won in the end with spam and yelling and whatnot as Rayn is wont to do. Rayn's original reasoning outside of this case on me that game is because I was being belligerent and refusing to address him, 'even though he gave me chances.' He gave me a few opportunities to deal with him but I didn't want to bother, so he got me lynched. He learned his lesson about this supposedly after the game and so I believe as town he wouldn't attempt this sort of a push again because of how detrimental it would be to the atmosphere and to the town in general.

In this game yes I am being belligerent once again but I am also being transparent and actively engaging everyone. Scum Rayn has picked out that he can try and get me lynched based on the belligerence and perceived 'emo-ness' of my posting thus far despite the fact that I am playing fundamentally differently to Persona, and ultimately way more towny. Given the chance, he may very well succeed as overall Rayn is pretty damn good at pushing lynches. He is taking the 'safe' route here---something he knows he can get done and he won't look overly bad when I do flip town because not only do some other people suspect me atm, but it is something a town Rayn 'would' do.

Rayn and Vayne, the rhyming scum.
(Not necessarily on same team though )

In short.
The 4 Persona game has nothing to do with this game.
I am not tunneling you. I am not shutting everyone down and yelling everyone to vote for you.
That's basically it.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 27 2013 19:02 GMT
#791
Also you are not even defending yourself WoS. Your post has nothing to do with defending yourself. You did something that's really unlike tocome from town!WoS because as town you are really good player. As scum you are too, but what you did really is scummy and inexusable if you are town.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 27 2013 19:08 GMT
#795
This whole randomlynch thing is and has been stupid throughout the game. Stop it, we are not random lynching.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 27 2013 19:11 GMT
#799
On September 28 2013 04:10 ShiaoPi wrote:
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On September 28 2013 04:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
This whole randomlynch thing is and has been stupid throughout the game. Stop it, we are not random lynching.

koshi still scum though

That's another thing. I don't agree though.
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September 27 2013 19:14 GMT
#803
I could lynch FT too. This game is cool because as town you can actually lynch your scumread's target.
That's why i said i will probably sheep Palmar at the end of the day.
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September 27 2013 19:15 GMT
#805
On September 28 2013 04:13 Koshi wrote:
Let's imagine a Grack/FT scumteam and you guys rng lynch me.
That would be epic.

Let's imagine you make some actual analysis soon ok?
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September 27 2013 19:22 GMT
#812
On September 28 2013 04:19 strongandbig wrote:
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On September 27 2013 23:30 Palmar wrote:
On September 27 2013 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't know if Palmar is scum. What he says makes a lot of sense. I am probably going to sheep him on D1 in case i feel like he is really trying to lynch scum (regardless of his alignment).


Given this, I really don't understand this:

On September 27 2013 22:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
How can yamato even say you are town Palmar?


You wouldn't be asking this question unless you thought there was something fishy about yamato's townread on me. But because what I'm saying makes sense, according to yourself, I would think that grounds enough for thinking I'm town. Do you think yamato should have further reservations? Do you think it's suspicious that he doesn't?

i dont like this post. rayn clearly indicated that palmar making sense was not alignment indicative. but palmar is trying to twist/recast that reasoning into rayn having had a townread on him.

either intentional, in which case scummy, or unintentional, in which case this really doesn't fit with the brooks-no-nonsense-or-illogicalness palmar we know and love.

then there's another thing. Palmar is voting for yamato right now, but he's made cases for why at least two other people (grack and hiro) are actively scummy. (his "pattern finding"). whereas he's said pretty much nothing about yamato. what's the point of putting emphasis on pattern finding if you're not going to actually use it to kill scum.

Also, I think one thing scum players love to do is give advice and not follow it:

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On September 28 2013 00:05 Palmar wrote:
On September 27 2013 23:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 27 2013 23:47 Palmar wrote:
On September 27 2013 23:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 27 2013 23:30 Palmar wrote:
On September 27 2013 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't know if Palmar is scum. What he says makes a lot of sense. I am probably going to sheep him on D1 in case i feel like he is really trying to lynch scum (regardless of his alignment).


Given this, I really don't understand this:

On September 27 2013 22:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
How can yamato even say you are town Palmar?


You wouldn't be asking this question unless you thought there was something fishy about yamato's townread on me. But because what I'm saying makes sense, according to yourself, I would think that grounds enough for thinking I'm town. Do you think yamato should have further reservations? Do you think it's suspicious that he doesn't?

Yes i think it's suspicious that he declareas you town. In this game making sense in a townie way does not necessarily mean you are town, you might just be attacking another scumteam. yamato should know that your posting this far does not make you town.


On September 27 2013 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't know if Palmar is scum. What he says makes a lot of sense. I am probably going to sheep him on D1 in case i feel like he is really trying to lynch scum (regardless of his alignment).

Atm i wanna lynch WoS.
##Vote: WaveofShadow
The only thing i have found out that's really unlike to come from a townie is him shitting on town before the game hasn't even started fully. Another thing is that he is overly emo and i think he is faking it.


The bolded sentences could be considered inconsistent, especially in the light that your suspicion on WoS came pretty much out of the blue while in the middle of an entirely different discussion.

For someone who's willing to throw Oats a townread for basically nothing but being an asshole, I find it very surprising that you have a problem with yamato giving me a townread for making sense.

That, too, seems inconsistent.

That's basically my point regarding Oats. There is a difference in his town and scum play. It has nothing to do with if he is making sense or not. He basically is an asshole as town. He makes a lot more sense as scum and he is more careful.

That does not apply to you, or me, or BH for example. What you have said so far does not make you town. Whatever you do on D1, even if you lynch scum, does not make you town. You know it and yamato should know it too. That's what's wrong in his read on you.

What's wrong with my case on WoS? Are you saying i am not allowed to make a case on him when i am discussing something different? Why does the timing of my case make me scum? Was i supposed to make it in my first post, why?


Whatever.

Re: WoS case. Did you unlearn how to make and push cases since we last played together? If you throw a random vote with little reasoning or an unconvincing case behind it in the middle of something else going on, it's so pointless you might as well not do it.

And I didn't say you were scum. I said you were inconsistent. This could be due to numerous other reasons, bad, lazy, don't care etc.

Are you scum?

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On September 28 2013 00:44 Palmar wrote:
Oh VE is back, sweet, I don't have to do anything then.

We killing yamato? I'm in.

##Unvote
##Vote yamato77


And the last thing:
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On September 27 2013 05:24 Palmar wrote:
I'm member of one of the mafia teams. I'm requesting one person from the other team PM me, or if that's not allowed, just claim in the thread so we can work together.

Who else thinks it's weird that palmar posted this, then didn't say anything in terms of analysis of what came out of it? Like, someone even asked him to say something about vayne based on it, and he didn't mention it at all.

My impression of palmar from his opening shenanigans in other games is that he likes to get something from them. When he proposes a random lynch or other stupid policy, he has a very specific set of goals in mind as town for information he wants to get from the shenanigans and peoples' reactions to them. This game, I don't see that.

Yes, I do think palmar is cocky enough to claim scum as scum.

I think you are totally right in this post.
On the other hand, we don't need to lynch Palmar on D1, even if he is scum. He can net us more scum, and the other scumteam needs to shoot him if me make him do so. :D

That's basically what i am trying to do.
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September 27 2013 19:26 GMT
#819
On September 28 2013 04:23 strongandbig wrote:
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On September 28 2013 04:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 28 2013 04:19 strongandbig wrote:
On September 27 2013 23:30 Palmar wrote:
On September 27 2013 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't know if Palmar is scum. What he says makes a lot of sense. I am probably going to sheep him on D1 in case i feel like he is really trying to lynch scum (regardless of his alignment).


Given this, I really don't understand this:

On September 27 2013 22:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
How can yamato even say you are town Palmar?


You wouldn't be asking this question unless you thought there was something fishy about yamato's townread on me. But because what I'm saying makes sense, according to yourself, I would think that grounds enough for thinking I'm town. Do you think yamato should have further reservations? Do you think it's suspicious that he doesn't?

i dont like this post. rayn clearly indicated that palmar making sense was not alignment indicative. but palmar is trying to twist/recast that reasoning into rayn having had a townread on him.

either intentional, in which case scummy, or unintentional, in which case this really doesn't fit with the brooks-no-nonsense-or-illogicalness palmar we know and love.

then there's another thing. Palmar is voting for yamato right now, but he's made cases for why at least two other people (grack and hiro) are actively scummy. (his "pattern finding"). whereas he's said pretty much nothing about yamato. what's the point of putting emphasis on pattern finding if you're not going to actually use it to kill scum.

Also, I think one thing scum players love to do is give advice and not follow it:

On September 28 2013 00:05 Palmar wrote:
On September 27 2013 23:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 27 2013 23:47 Palmar wrote:
On September 27 2013 23:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 27 2013 23:30 Palmar wrote:
On September 27 2013 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't know if Palmar is scum. What he says makes a lot of sense. I am probably going to sheep him on D1 in case i feel like he is really trying to lynch scum (regardless of his alignment).


Given this, I really don't understand this:

On September 27 2013 22:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
How can yamato even say you are town Palmar?


You wouldn't be asking this question unless you thought there was something fishy about yamato's townread on me. But because what I'm saying makes sense, according to yourself, I would think that grounds enough for thinking I'm town. Do you think yamato should have further reservations? Do you think it's suspicious that he doesn't?

Yes i think it's suspicious that he declareas you town. In this game making sense in a townie way does not necessarily mean you are town, you might just be attacking another scumteam. yamato should know that your posting this far does not make you town.


On September 27 2013 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't know if Palmar is scum. What he says makes a lot of sense. I am probably going to sheep him on D1 in case i feel like he is really trying to lynch scum (regardless of his alignment).

Atm i wanna lynch WoS.
##Vote: WaveofShadow
The only thing i have found out that's really unlike to come from a townie is him shitting on town before the game hasn't even started fully. Another thing is that he is overly emo and i think he is faking it.


The bolded sentences could be considered inconsistent, especially in the light that your suspicion on WoS came pretty much out of the blue while in the middle of an entirely different discussion.

For someone who's willing to throw Oats a townread for basically nothing but being an asshole, I find it very surprising that you have a problem with yamato giving me a townread for making sense.

That, too, seems inconsistent.

That's basically my point regarding Oats. There is a difference in his town and scum play. It has nothing to do with if he is making sense or not. He basically is an asshole as town. He makes a lot more sense as scum and he is more careful.

That does not apply to you, or me, or BH for example. What you have said so far does not make you town. Whatever you do on D1, even if you lynch scum, does not make you town. You know it and yamato should know it too. That's what's wrong in his read on you.

What's wrong with my case on WoS? Are you saying i am not allowed to make a case on him when i am discussing something different? Why does the timing of my case make me scum? Was i supposed to make it in my first post, why?


Whatever.

Re: WoS case. Did you unlearn how to make and push cases since we last played together? If you throw a random vote with little reasoning or an unconvincing case behind it in the middle of something else going on, it's so pointless you might as well not do it.

And I didn't say you were scum. I said you were inconsistent. This could be due to numerous other reasons, bad, lazy, don't care etc.

Are you scum?

On September 28 2013 00:44 Palmar wrote:
Oh VE is back, sweet, I don't have to do anything then.

We killing yamato? I'm in.

##Unvote
##Vote yamato77


And the last thing:
On September 27 2013 05:24 Palmar wrote:
I'm member of one of the mafia teams. I'm requesting one person from the other team PM me, or if that's not allowed, just claim in the thread so we can work together.

Who else thinks it's weird that palmar posted this, then didn't say anything in terms of analysis of what came out of it? Like, someone even asked him to say something about vayne based on it, and he didn't mention it at all.

My impression of palmar from his opening shenanigans in other games is that he likes to get something from them. When he proposes a random lynch or other stupid policy, he has a very specific set of goals in mind as town for information he wants to get from the shenanigans and peoples' reactions to them. This game, I don't see that.

Yes, I do think palmar is cocky enough to claim scum as scum.

I think you are totally right in this post.
On the other hand, we don't need to lynch Palmar on D1, even if he is scum. He can net us more scum, and the other scumteam needs to shoot him if me make him do so. :D

That's basically what i am trying to do.

um
wat
you think he's scum but you don't want to kill him?
....

I am not sure if he is scum or not. I will lynch him if i think he is definitely scum.
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September 27 2013 19:27 GMT
#821
On September 28 2013 04:22 strongandbig wrote:
##vote: palmar for now. when's deadline again? 02:00 GMT (+00:00)?

We got 23,5h.
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September 27 2013 20:43 GMT
#854
Pandain do you have any sort of read on WoS/Palmar?
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September 27 2013 20:53 GMT
#862
I can join the experiment. Only because it's Koshi. :D
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September 27 2013 20:54 GMT
#865
Hey yamato, why is WoS town and what do you think of SnB's post about Palmar?
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September 27 2013 20:55 GMT
#866
On September 28 2013 05:54 yamato77 wrote:
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On September 27 2013 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't know if Palmar is scum. What he says makes a lot of sense. I am probably going to sheep him on D1 in case i feel like he is really trying to lynch scum (regardless of his alignment).

Atm i wanna lynch WoS.
##Vote: WaveofShadow
The only thing i have found out that's really unlike to come from a townie is him shitting on town before the game hasn't even started fully. Another thing is that he is overly emo and i think he is faking it.

This post is horrible. Saying WoS is being a shithead and voting him for it are two different things. Rayn is worthy of a hard look for this shit.

Being a shithead when there is no reason to be a shithead and emoing about "rolling town because TL towns so bad" isa townie thingy to do at the start of the game?
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September 28 2013 07:09 GMT
#1040
This game is so stupid atm.
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September 28 2013 07:58 GMT
#1044
Maybe seal it with a vote hiro?
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September 28 2013 07:59 GMT
#1045
Like this randomlynch thing gives somehow people permission to call everyone out for shitty reasons and then vote for Koshi.
See you guys tomorrow.
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September 28 2013 08:07 GMT
#1047
I am curious hiro. How do you ahve a townread on Pandabearbuy and Oats?
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September 28 2013 08:26 GMT
#1050
On September 28 2013 17:22 hiro protagonist wrote:
There actions. Panda put an effort into a real case. A convincing one at that. Oats has been calling people out on there bullshit all game long. Do you have conflicting views in this regard? More importantly do you have someone you want to lynch? You haven't voted yet ether.

I agree Pandain put effort into his case. He is not scum with yamato, i give you that. I don't see anything that makes him town though. Oats i agree with you on + i have my own reasons to think he is town.

I have voted.
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September 28 2013 08:32 GMT
#1052
The problem with this phase is that those retarded idiots are going with a stupidrandom lynch that's not even a random lynch any more because it's a randomlynch on Koshi. Any other case means nothing. If i was scum i could make no-matter-how-good-case on my scumbuddy and it will not mean anything.

+ ~70% of the comments in thread this phase have something to do with randomlynch, in a way or another.

And i want to lynch BlazingHand, just for that. This thread is shit and it's his fault.
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September 28 2013 08:46 GMT
#1054
Let's kill WoS together? Right here, right now.
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September 28 2013 08:47 GMT
#1055
I can see through WoS' bullshit and he is not this bad.
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September 28 2013 09:10 GMT
#1060
You are hilarious CR. A big post analyzing a randomlynch. :D
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September 28 2013 09:18 GMT
#1062
Okay this is what we are going to do based purely on probabilities:
Random lynching in this game: 6/19, chance of hitting mafia = 0.315789
raynpelikoneet first post analysis in 2 last games: 2/2, chance of hitting mafia = 1.000000

WoS is clearly the best lynch.
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September 28 2013 09:27 GMT
#1065
On September 28 2013 18:18 yamato77 wrote:
I am clearly mafia.

confessions confessions..
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September 28 2013 09:39 GMT
#1067
I think the cops should give cocaine to WoS.
And bus VE with someone, like WoS.
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September 28 2013 09:40 GMT
#1068
No shit, that doesn't work. Let's go back to plan A and lynch WoS.
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September 28 2013 09:42 GMT
#1069
POLICE

2 Police (Buddy Cop Team) - By-the-book and loose-cannon cops. Both have a number of items which they can use a set number of times. Some items are exclusive to each cop, others are not. Here is the list:

Precision Shot: if aimed at an unprotected townie, the shot will not fire and be refunded. If aimed at a bulletproofed townie, the cop will think the townie is up to no good and shoot, destroying the vest (but not killing townie). If aimed at a scum, the shot fires and scum will die assuming no protection.

Cocaine-Covered Prius: If delivered to a gang member, will roleblock his entire gang for the night. If delivered to a townie, they will ignore it and you will get your Prius back.

Ambulance: protects a player from any and all KP that night. Can be used on either cop.

Lethal Force: Target one player and he will be shot at the end of the night.

Hollywood CPR: protects target from 1 KP. Target will die if hit by more than 1 KP.

Motorcycle: Switches any two players in the game. All actions done to one player will be done to the other, and vice versa (bus driver).

Walkie-Talkie: For the following day-phase, the player may talk to the target in PM’s.

Stakeout: Shows if the target visited someone at night. Works on the nightkill and all 1 KP abilities that have a target. Also works on sleepwalker and molotov.


Okay, this is plan B. Bus Koshi with WoS. Nowhere does it say it has to be during the night. Profit!
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September 28 2013 09:44 GMT
#1070
This is really good. The Police team can win this game for the town by bussing every day.
Just don't die at night. Like, both of you use Ambulance every night on each other, and every day bus the lynch onto someone.

Game solved, let's go home.
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September 28 2013 09:50 GMT
#1071
The Police guys can bus during the day right? Don't be a pussy Sentinel, don't be Bill Murray and change the rules mid-game ok? This game is already badjudging by the thread, at least make it bad and hilarious!
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September 28 2013 09:55 GMT
#1072
Best plan 2013.

Is anyone here?
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September 28 2013 10:13 GMT
#1074
On September 28 2013 19:12 Koshi wrote:
... I dont get what you are saying.

Bus you and WoS. WoS get's lynched instead of you if you have the most votes at the end of the day.
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September 28 2013 10:17 GMT
#1076
Okay but for real, Koshi, what do you think of CR's post?
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September 28 2013 10:17 GMT
#1077
On September 28 2013 19:17 Koshi wrote:
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On September 28 2013 19:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 28 2013 19:12 Koshi wrote:
... I dont get what you are saying.

Bus you and WoS. WoS get's lynched instead of you if you have the most votes at the end of the day.

Its going to be night actions lol. How OP would that be.

I don't care if it's OP. :D
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September 28 2013 10:29 GMT
#1080
On September 28 2013 19:27 Palmar wrote:
But WoS isn't scum, that's bad and awful plan rayn.

Elaborate please?
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September 28 2013 10:31 GMT
#1083
I give you a guarantee that WoS is indeed scum.
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September 28 2013 10:33 GMT
#1085
Because basically every post he makes is so really bad and WoS is good at bullshitting.
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September 28 2013 10:43 GMT
#1087
Okay this is why WaveofShadow is mafia:

1) His opening posts are horrible, town!WoS is not horrible. He is promoting bad town atmosphere and that's not a thing a townie should ever be doing and he knows it. His emoness is stupid filler in his post and it's not necessary. It's faked.

2) His case one me was really bad. The things he said about me do not make me mafia, it's about last game i tunneled him and the purpose of that post is not to get me lynched (he doesn't really even try it). He is just producing "content" that serves no purpose and on top of that is wrong, the only reason for his post is "don't listen to rayn, he is bad".

3) After that he retracts from his comment about me being scum. If he is town, in the first place (as he has called me scum) he has read my posts, correct? Correct! Well what does WoS do after that. He says "no rayn is town after all". Okay. What's his next post? "Oh shit i forgot, multiple scumteams, maybe rayn is scum after all". There is no way WoS does not remember there are multiple scumteams in case he is town. In case he is town he has read my posts and a lot of my posts talk about Palmar and him not being necessarily town because of multiple scumteams in this game. Therefore, if WoS is town, he cannot "not remember the existance of multiple scumteams". This is the most damning evidence and it makes WaveofShadow scum.

ggnore
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September 28 2013 11:06 GMT
#1089
On September 28 2013 19:58 Oatsmaster wrote:
So Yamato, horrible town include palmar and VE and BH.

I see.

Rayn, how does point 3 make WoS mafia? All I see is that it makes him forgetful.

When you look at someone's posts you think is mafia, and ~40% of his posts is talking about X, you tend to forget about the X when you are analyzing his alignment?
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September 28 2013 12:06 GMT
#1091
Do you think WoS' analysis is anywhere near good or legit?
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September 28 2013 12:24 GMT
#1095
On September 28 2013 21:13 Palmar wrote:
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On September 28 2013 20:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 28 2013 19:58 Oatsmaster wrote:
So Yamato, horrible town include palmar and VE and BH.

I see.

Rayn, how does point 3 make WoS mafia? All I see is that it makes him forgetful.

When you look at someone's posts you think is mafia, and ~40% of his posts is talking about X, you tend to forget about the X when you are analyzing his alignment?


I agree it's a strange mistake to make. Just so we're clear, you're assuming that he's LYING about forgetting, not that he actually forgot, right?

yes
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September 28 2013 12:25 GMT
#1096
On September 28 2013 21:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
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On September 28 2013 21:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Do you think WoS' analysis is anywhere near good or legit?

I think that backing off from it is townie

lol, see how he backs off from it and what he does after that. No Oats, it's not townie.
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September 28 2013 12:50 GMT
#1100
On September 28 2013 21:37 Palmar wrote:
We're not lynching WoS rayn, even based on activity alone it makes almost no sense.

Hey, this is a dumb argument Palmar.
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September 28 2013 13:17 GMT
#1105
On September 28 2013 22:05 Palmar wrote:
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On September 28 2013 21:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 28 2013 21:37 Palmar wrote:
We're not lynching WoS rayn, even based on activity alone it makes almost no sense.

Hey, this is a dumb argument Palmar.

Why?

Because activity =/= alignment and your argument is bades purely on activity.
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September 28 2013 13:21 GMT
#1108
On September 28 2013 22:18 Palmar wrote:
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On September 28 2013 22:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 28 2013 22:05 Palmar wrote:
On September 28 2013 21:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 28 2013 21:37 Palmar wrote:
We're not lynching WoS rayn, even based on activity alone it makes almost no sense.

Hey, this is a dumb argument Palmar.

Why?

Because activity =/= alignment and your argument is bades purely on activity.


No it isn't.

Anyway, he's not getting lynched so this discussion is useless.

I know he is not getting lynched because of this rng shit, but you are lying, your argument is based purely on activity.
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September 28 2013 13:22 GMT
#1109
also come play voice mafia in ~1-2h with us ok?
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September 28 2013 13:24 GMT
#1110
On September 28 2013 22:15 Koshi wrote:
I cannot believe FT with 2 scumreads is on my ass
CR where is your.love? I need your love now.
Grack move your ass off me if you are town.
WoS you the same. This isnt funny anymore. I will hate you the most for this lynch.
Palmar be sensible plz.

The rest of you are fuckers and no longer my bros.

I am your bro dude. :/
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September 28 2013 13:42 GMT
#1118
On September 28 2013 22:37 Koshi wrote:
You are a the Joker. I am Batman.

Good cop bad cop, remember. Bros.
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September 28 2013 13:48 GMT
#1122
On September 28 2013 22:44 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2013 22:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 28 2013 22:37 Koshi wrote:
You are a the Joker. I am Batman.

Good cop bad cop, remember. Bros.

Who am I?

Good cop.
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September 28 2013 13:50 GMT
#1123
On September 28 2013 22:46 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2013 22:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 28 2013 22:18 Palmar wrote:
On September 28 2013 22:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 28 2013 22:05 Palmar wrote:
On September 28 2013 21:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 28 2013 21:37 Palmar wrote:
We're not lynching WoS rayn, even based on activity alone it makes almost no sense.

Hey, this is a dumb argument Palmar.

Why?

Because activity =/= alignment and your argument is bades purely on activity.


No it isn't.

Anyway, he's not getting lynched so this discussion is useless.

I know he is not getting lynched because of this rng shit, but you are lying, your argument is based purely on activity.


The one argument I have presented is based on activity.

And hell, that's good enough argument to rather try to lynch Rol, or Hiro etc.

If you want to defend WoS with a lurker lynch at least be a man and say so. Anyways that's a shitty defence.
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September 28 2013 13:52 GMT
#1126
On September 28 2013 22:51 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2013 22:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 28 2013 22:44 Koshi wrote:
On September 28 2013 22:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 28 2013 22:37 Koshi wrote:
You are a the Joker. I am Batman.

Good cop bad cop, remember. Bros.

Who am I?

Good cop.

Can you bust some kneecaps then? I have bandages with Hello Kitty for after.

I got Hell's angels ones, and cocaine. I can, WoS first.
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September 28 2013 17:05 GMT
#1146
Don't vote for yamato, vote for WoS.
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September 28 2013 17:07 GMT
#1150
Okay so we lynch you instead so you don't have to hate Koshi ok?
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September 28 2013 17:07 GMT
#1151
Can you answer my case WoS?
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September 28 2013 17:10 GMT
#1155
Why is it so that every post you make makes me think you are scummier and scummier. You can't even look my case up by yourself?
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September 28 2013 17:11 GMT
#1156
On September 28 2013 19:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay this is why WaveofShadow is mafia:

1) His opening posts are horrible, town!WoS is not horrible. He is promoting bad town atmosphere and that's not a thing a townie should ever be doing and he knows it. His emoness is stupid filler in his post and it's not necessary. It's faked.

2) His case one me was really bad. The things he said about me do not make me mafia, it's about last game i tunneled him and the purpose of that post is not to get me lynched (he doesn't really even try it). He is just producing "content" that serves no purpose and on top of that is wrong, the only reason for his post is "don't listen to rayn, he is bad".

3) After that he retracts from his comment about me being scum. If he is town, in the first place (as he has called me scum) he has read my posts, correct? Correct! Well what does WoS do after that. He says "no rayn is town after all". Okay. What's his next post? "Oh shit i forgot, multiple scumteams, maybe rayn is scum after all". There is no way WoS does not remember there are multiple scumteams in case he is town. In case he is town he has read my posts and a lot of my posts talk about Palmar and him not being necessarily town because of multiple scumteams in this game. Therefore, if WoS is town, he cannot "not remember the existance of multiple scumteams". This is the most damning evidence and it makes WaveofShadow scum.

ggnore

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September 28 2013 17:13 GMT
#1159
On September 29 2013 02:11 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2013 02:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why is it so that every post you make makes me think you are scummier and scummier. You can't even look my case up by yourself?

You want me to answer it, link it to me.
Pretty simple.
Lol in Persona it was scummy because I didn't want to bother with you, now it's scummy because I do?
You;re a super cutie.

Is there anything I can ever do that you won't find scummy when you're in retard-rayn-tunnel-mode?
I think not.

I want you to be reasonable, which you are, as town. You are not being reasonable now WoS. If you are town man the fuck up, answer me and find mafia.
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September 28 2013 17:25 GMT
#1167
On September 29 2013 02:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2013 02:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 28 2013 19:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay this is why WaveofShadow is mafia:

1) His opening posts are horrible, town!WoS is not horrible. He is promoting bad town atmosphere and that's not a thing a townie should ever be doing and he knows it. His emoness is stupid filler in his post and it's not necessary. It's faked.

2) His case one me was really bad. The things he said about me do not make me mafia, it's about last game i tunneled him and the purpose of that post is not to get me lynched (he doesn't really even try it). He is just producing "content" that serves no purpose and on top of that is wrong, the only reason for his post is "don't listen to rayn, he is bad".

3) After that he retracts from his comment about me being scum. If he is town, in the first place (as he has called me scum) he has read my posts, correct? Correct! Well what does WoS do after that. He says "no rayn is town after all". Okay. What's his next post? "Oh shit i forgot, multiple scumteams, maybe rayn is scum after all". There is no way WoS does not remember there are multiple scumteams in case he is town. In case he is town he has read my posts and a lot of my posts talk about Palmar and him not being necessarily town because of multiple scumteams in this game. Therefore, if WoS is town, he cannot "not remember the existance of multiple scumteams". This is the most damning evidence and it makes WaveofShadow scum.

ggnore



1) Not faked. Ask anyone who I talked to after I died in Noire. I admitted it was a little over the top shortly after that but I am legitimately annoyed I rolled town this game.

2) You're right that it was bad, but I was expressing my thoughts. I have zero issues doing that, as you can see from your third point. Why would I bother posting that I forgot something at all if mafia? You honestly think it's worth it for me as scum to risk people like you tunneling on something that appears fake?'

3) It has nothing to do with me not remembering the presence of multiple scumteams, it's HOW the presence of those multiple scumteams affects my read which I thought about while posting this. It was stream-of-consciousness. A scumteam in this game does not act like normal scum because they legitimately need to scumhunt, which affects the way you play. I know it would affect mine in that way.

1) You know i can't do it, but fair enough.
2) Okay so why did you make a bad post without thinking it through first?
3) So how multiple scumteams affect to your read on me? And why did you go from rayn scum -- rayn town -- no, rayn might be scum?
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September 28 2013 17:25 GMT
#1168
On September 29 2013 02:19 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2013 02:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 29 2013 02:11 WaveofShadow wrote:
On September 29 2013 02:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why is it so that every post you make makes me think you are scummier and scummier. You can't even look my case up by yourself?

You want me to answer it, link it to me.
Pretty simple.
Lol in Persona it was scummy because I didn't want to bother with you, now it's scummy because I do?
You;re a super cutie.

Is there anything I can ever do that you won't find scummy when you're in retard-rayn-tunnel-mode?
I think not.

I want you to be reasonable, which you are, as town. You are not being reasonable now WoS. If you are town man the fuck up, answer me and find mafia.

Don't you fucking dare tell me I haven't been scumhunting/attempting to find mafia this game.

I have scumreads on VA since nearly the fucking start, yamato has done dick all this game which means he probs scum (though it worries me slightly that he's somewhat of a popular side-wagon), FT likely scum due to his horrible opening posts.

Rayn nothing I will do once you've gotten like this will ever appease you. You know and I know it. So keep pushing your retarded tunnel for the rest of the day. Either people will listen to you or they won't. I don't want to turn this into Persona D1, I'd actually like to be useful for the rest of today if town is actually REALLY fucking retarded and listens to you.

I think your read on VA is bad.
I think your scumread on yamato might be correct, can you elaborate more on that?
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September 28 2013 17:26 GMT
#1170
WoS i read every scum QT of every game, always. Your read on VA is bad.
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September 28 2013 17:29 GMT
#1172
SnB can you be useful?
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September 28 2013 17:31 GMT
#1177
Can we just lynch BH? He hasn't talked anything that's not related to RNG this game. He's so bad.
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September 28 2013 17:32 GMT
#1178
WoS can you elaborate on my (3). What went through your head during those posts.
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September 28 2013 17:33 GMT
#1179
also let's go play voice mafia ok?
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September 28 2013 17:35 GMT
#1181
BH, if you are town, read this.
You are not playing, you are coaching, in this very game. And that's bad.
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September 28 2013 17:36 GMT
#1185
No, you really are not playing BH. If you say you are you are lying.
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September 28 2013 17:37 GMT
#1186
On September 29 2013 02:36 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2013 02:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
WoS can you elaborate on my (3). What went through your head during those posts.

I can't Rayn. I am not making it up, but I honestly cannot tell you. If that makes me scum so be it.

Okay you are town.
##Unvote:
##Vote: BlazingHand

Coaching instead of playing.
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September 28 2013 17:38 GMT
#1188
On September 29 2013 02:37 Blazinghand wrote:
"hey guys there's been no resistance to the WoS lynch"

"but WoS isn't getting lynched how can you even-"

"herp derp it's raising my hackles"


ughhhhhhhhhh why did i even wake up today

wtf?
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September 28 2013 17:40 GMT
#1193
On September 29 2013 02:38 Blazinghand wrote:
lol rayne you're just throwing your vote away. nobody's lynching me today. It's day 1 and i'm blazinghand and I fucking made the RNG discussion when there would be no reason to do that except as town. get off your high horse

This is totally wrong and wrong.
The RNG stuff is totally non-alignment indicative, the way you went with it is.
You are BH, you can get lynched like any other player in this game, on D1.
I am not throwing my vote away, i am gonna lynch you.
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September 28 2013 17:40 GMT
#1196
The RNG stuff is totally non-alignment indicative, the way you went with it is.

And this is scummy.
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September 28 2013 17:43 GMT
#1199
It's okay SnB, you were helpful already.

BH, who is scum? And why, besides yamato?
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September 28 2013 17:44 GMT
#1202
Because i don't give a fuck if you are nice or not, i give a fuck if you find scum or not.
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September 28 2013 17:45 GMT
#1205
I can lynch Palmar too, he's scum.
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September 28 2013 17:45 GMT
#1206
##unvote:
Vote: Palmar

go!
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September 28 2013 17:46 GMT
#1209
On September 29 2013 02:44 strongandbig wrote:
Also palmar is still scum. Basically it looks like he jumped on the random lynch wagon instead of pushing his scum read because it was easier and because he's been captain random lynvh in past town games. But the thing is, he has been captain random lunch because it gives valuable analysis, never just for the purpose of circumventing analysis I on say one. But here we have all the positions to analyze but instead of doing that or pushing his scum read he is down with random lunching. Put that with my earlier case and we should be voting pmar.

Did anyone ever actually disagree with or counter my case? Cause I will argue with them if so. We should be voting palmar ibaread of koshi.

People agreed with you or didnät say anything.
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September 28 2013 17:48 GMT
#1216
On September 29 2013 02:46 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2013 02:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 29 2013 02:36 WaveofShadow wrote:
On September 29 2013 02:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
WoS can you elaborate on my (3). What went through your head during those posts.

I can't Rayn. I am not making it up, but I honestly cannot tell you. If that makes me scum so be it.

Okay you are town.
##Unvote:
##Vote: BlazingHand

Coaching instead of playing.


So here's a thought, how about instead of being awful, now that you agree WoS isn't scum, you actually spend the tiny amount of time to consider the people who are you know... actually likely to flip scum.

FT, Hiro, RoL: Go!

I didn't have the information i have now. You didn't aswell. Yet you were sure WoS is town despite calling his posts "bad", while knowing WoS is not a bad player. You, Sir, are scum.

*Also VE is totally a boss and i can't lynch him ever just because he listens to awesome music.
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September 28 2013 17:50 GMT
#1219
On September 29 2013 02:47 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2013 02:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I can lynch Palmar too, he's scum.

Rayn please just fucking stop.
Frenzied rayn is shit useless rayn.
Sit back, get a cup of tea or something, and start using your brain, please. Pick a scumread and stick with it with 2 hours to go imo.

I think Palmar is most likely to be scum.
You want reasons?
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September 28 2013 17:50 GMT
#1222
Ima go smoke, then ill give reasons.
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September 28 2013 17:54 GMT
#1227
(1) Palmar's stance on yamato is fucked up.
(2) Palmar is not here to find scum. town!Palmar ALWAYS want's to find scum because he is at his best on D1.

That's it.
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September 28 2013 17:55 GMT
#1228
On September 29 2013 02:53 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2013 02:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 29 2013 02:46 Palmar wrote:
On September 29 2013 02:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 29 2013 02:36 WaveofShadow wrote:
On September 29 2013 02:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
WoS can you elaborate on my (3). What went through your head during those posts.

I can't Rayn. I am not making it up, but I honestly cannot tell you. If that makes me scum so be it.

Okay you are town.
##Unvote:
##Vote: BlazingHand

Coaching instead of playing.


So here's a thought, how about instead of being awful, now that you agree WoS isn't scum, you actually spend the tiny amount of time to consider the people who are you know... actually likely to flip scum.

FT, Hiro, RoL: Go!

I didn't have the information i have now. You didn't aswell. Yet you were sure WoS is town despite calling his posts "bad", while knowing WoS is not a bad player. You, Sir, are scum.

*Also VE is totally a boss and i can't lynch him ever just because he listens to awesome music.


WoS is historically awful unless he's taken massive improvements since I last played with him. I mentioned there being a benefit in putting him under pressure at some point, the reason being that I played a game with him where he was town and bad until people wanted to lynch him, and somehow he actually became useful when under pressure. I think this was that game where BC quickhammered me because why not.

However, if WoS is scum, as you suggested at the point, he's engaging very casually in conversation in the thread, making big posts and directly conversing with people. Maybe he's good as scum, but for the most part just doing that is pretty advanced and better than what I'd expect out of WoS.

WoS is really good as town, he is really good as scum. Get your facts straight.
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September 28 2013 18:10 GMT
#1250
Holy fucking shit. I have talked about Palmar and his stance on yamato for a a year. Why don't people read?
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September 28 2013 18:19 GMT
#1254
Okay so yamato lynch or terrible Koshi lynch right?
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September 28 2013 18:19 GMT
#1255
Palmar lynch is the best btw!
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September 28 2013 18:23 GMT
#1257
On September 29 2013 03:20 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2013 03:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Holy fucking shit. I have talked about Palmar and his stance on yamato for a a year. Why don't people read?


Hi. Stop talking shit. You don't know my stance on yamato.

Yeah from before the "RNG KOSHI" stage. A stance that's inconsistent and never explained.
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September 28 2013 18:24 GMT
#1258
Also you failed to answer (2). Becaue it's true?
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September 28 2013 18:34 GMT
#1266
On September 29 2013 03:29 Palmar wrote:
Just curious rayn. Do you think I want to lynch yamato?

you voted for him. as for now, i have no idea.
i have absolutely no idea who you want to lynch, and taht's bad.
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September 28 2013 19:18 GMT
#1283
I can go with this:
##Unvote:
##Vote: yamato77
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September 28 2013 20:32 GMT
#1354
BH and WoS, kill each other ok?
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September 28 2013 21:12 GMT
#1364
yes. obviously.
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September 28 2013 21:55 GMT
#1376
Kill BH, still coaching.
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September 28 2013 21:58 GMT
#1377
Koshi town, CR town.
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September 28 2013 21:58 GMT
#1378
Koshi put on the imba vest, Grack is gonna shoot you!
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September 30 2013 12:54 GMT
#1737
Why do people think WoS is town?
I am pretty sure he is not.
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September 30 2013 20:23 GMT
#1810
On October 01 2013 05:09 Grackaroni wrote:
Rayn who should we lynch?

I would probably go with FT, since he has imo most chances of flipping scum.
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September 30 2013 20:38 GMT
#1815
Stop it already if you are town. Every time makes it harder to believe that you indeed are..
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October 01 2013 12:20 GMT
#1927
Reads time:

Townies: THE KOSHI, VisceraEyes, Oatsmaster, Chairman Ray, WaveofShadow, VayneAuthority, Grackaroni
*Yes i know my read on WoS has been fucked up and contradicting, it's because i was sick on Sunday -> now. Deal with it.*

Could go either way: Mr. Cheesecake, strongandbig, austinmcc, Pandain, S0lstice.

Scum:
Palmar - Is not playing like he does as town. Grackaroni pointed it out already, so did SnB. His cases are really bad, and apparently he can't understand why i brought up his stance on yamato. Anyways, he's not gonna get lynched today, so there is no need to explain it further.
hiro protagonist - Hasn't done anything. Really good lynch.
ShiaoPi - Same
FirmTofu - Same + weird contradictions in his behavior. Best lynch.

##Vote: FirmTofu
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October 01 2013 12:33 GMT
#1929
So which of the reads you do not agree with and why?
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October 01 2013 12:36 GMT
#1932
What makes Vayne non-town and Pandain town?
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October 01 2013 12:38 GMT
#1933
On October 01 2013 21:36 Palmar wrote:
Also, you have YET to explain where I took any kind of "stance on yamato".

Please do, before you continue bringing this fabrication up.

You didn't call yamato out for his townread on you. I already have explained why there was no good reasons for yamato to have a townread on you at that time. Instead you went into an argument with me about it. What am i supposed to take from it? That you have a scumread on him but you are arguing with me because i have a scumread on him? That's bullshit Palmar.

Then, after that, you sheep VE into a vote on yamato, for no apparent reason.
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October 01 2013 13:23 GMT
#1935
I get that you were trying to figure out my alignment. What i don't get is that in a game with 2 scumteams, how can you accept that yamato has a townread on you at that point. Nothing you did on D1, nothing you have done so far should give people a town read on you. That's a fact. If you are scum you can still genuinely scumhunt and be right, find people from different scumteam that you are in, and look good. That's what i have been trying to say all game. Everyone who do not understand this is either very dumb or scum who are trying to buy your trust by giving a town read on you.

My concern is that you, of all the people Palmar, don't understand this simple fact. In addition to that, you havn't been actively trying to find mafia. In fact, you have devoted this game into calling people bad. That's what you usually do in games, but that's so over the top in this game. You are not trying to actively find scum. You might be right on something, but you are off in a lot of things, considering what your town play usually looks like. You are afraid of getting shot. Given that you have a vest if you are town, you should not be afraid of getting shot. If you are a Police guy, the other dude can protect you, and you are confirmed. You should not be afraid of getting shot. If you are town.

TLDR; You are not playing up to your standards, in a game where you can basically guarantee your survival during the nights by playing really pro-town. This would be the best game to play so. You are not doing it, therefore you are scum.
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October 01 2013 13:36 GMT
#1940
So you don't really understand my argument that people should not be considered town at this point based on their actions, as scum can also genuinely scumhunt?
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October 01 2013 13:46 GMT
#1943
My townreads on people are not based on their actions (=actions towards other players in general, scumreads and shit), but based on their behavior in general. Oats and VE behave differently as scum than they do as town, whatever they say. It has nothing to do what they say, it has to do how they say things and why.

I have explained this already, wtf is wrong with you Palmar? You are intentionally twisting my words around.
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#1944
Fuck is there a single person who actually reads the thread.... This is so incredibly dumb..
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#1945
What's the point of me posting when you guys don't even fucking read what i post.?
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#1946
That's basically my point regarding Oats. There is a difference in his town and scum play. It has nothing to do with if he is making sense or not. He basically is an asshole as town. He makes a lot more sense as scum and he is more careful.

That does not apply to you, or me, or BH for example. What you have said so far does not make you town. Whatever you do on D1, even if you lynch scum, does not make you town. You know it and yamato should know it too. That's what's wrong in his read on you.

Is it so hard to understand?
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October 01 2013 13:58 GMT
#1948
Read my last post and think again what you are saying.
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October 01 2013 14:09 GMT
#1951
On October 01 2013 23:07 Oatsmaster wrote:
So rayn, palmar's scum and town meta are the same?

No they are not. It's the fact that in this game scum can also genuinely scumhunt. He is scumhunting to some extent, but not up to his normal town play.
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October 01 2013 14:16 GMT
#1954
On October 01 2013 23:10 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2013 22:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Read my last post and think again what you are saying.


I have no idea what you're saying.

Let me try to wrap my head around it.

You're saying that your read on Oats/VE is legit because it's a meta read.

You're saying yamato's read on me is not legit because it's based on me making sense
.

Even if we ignore how insane the above is (especially now that yamato flipped town) it's also factually incorrect. Yamato never explained what his read on me was based on as far as I remember, I don't recall him saying I'm town because I make sense.

It was literally this:

Show nested quote +
On September 27 2013 13:46 yamato77 wrote:
I think Palmar is town.

at work BTW so no more posting


So how do you know he didn't just.. you know actually read the thread and figure the right answer out?

I never assumed anything about why yamato called you town. That's why i said the read on you was surreal.
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October 01 2013 14:20 GMT
#1955
What i am saying is that there are some players whose scum/town play have quite a big differences. One of them is Oats, another one is VE. I don't think those differences would disappear even in a game where there are 2 scumteams.

Some players however (as i pointed out, for example you, me and BH) can probably "fade out" those differences because as there are multiple scumteams, they can legitmately scumhunt. That's why it's hard to have a townread on people like us. It's basically impossible (barring some circumstances - which apply to for example WoS).

That's what i am saying and i don't understand why do i have to explain that to a bright guy like you for fucking 10 times.
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October 01 2013 14:32 GMT
#1957
When the fuck have i called Palmar town?
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#1959
I am not tunneling you, i am not trying to lynch you. I am basically defending myself because you are calling me out for shitty reasons.

Could you now give an answer to why Vayne is not town and why Pandain is?
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October 01 2013 15:34 GMT
#1986
On October 02 2013 00:25 Grackaroni wrote:
Rayn why are you less aggressive this game?

Because i am demotivated from Golden Sun. Purely because of that.
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October 01 2013 15:36 GMT
#1991
I have argued a lot on D1. You are just ignoring me, as other people do too, which makes me not want to do anything on D2.
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October 01 2013 15:37 GMT
#1993
BH's reasons were purely OMGUS.
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October 01 2013 15:43 GMT
#1996
When Pandain made his case on yamato there was already a thread sentiment that was turning towards yamato lynch. The case has merit but does not make Pandain town.
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October 01 2013 15:45 GMT
#1999
Anyone who thinks Vayne is scum is either really stupid or scum. Vayne is totally town.
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October 01 2013 15:54 GMT
#2005
On October 02 2013 00:48 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2013 00:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 02 2013 00:25 Grackaroni wrote:
Rayn why are you less aggressive this game?

Because i am demotivated from Golden Sun. Purely because of that.

So if you're demotivated, why don't we just lynch you, thus you don't have to try to convince anyone your reads are genuine, and you don't have to play.

Deal?

You can lynch me if people promise to lynch you on D3 in case i flip town. Deal?
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October 01 2013 16:00 GMT
#2007
##Unvote:
##Vote: raynpelikoneet

I'll tell who is scum before the deadline. Gotta go shop groceries, then i read the whole thread and find scum.
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October 01 2013 16:04 GMT
#2010
First scum after Palmar - ShiaoPi.
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#2019
Mr.CC is town, he's far more loud and "correct" as scum.
ShioPi is scum. Purely for this:
On October 02 2013 01:03 ShiaoPi wrote:
well got to go soon, hoped to catch solstice or Mr.CC in thread as well but whatever.

Get off FT and VA and go lynch Mr.CC instead

How did this part of his long post on Hiro got buried?
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2013 10:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:

ShaioPi is a fantastic night shot tomorrow. If you're mafia not on ShaioPi's team shoot him plz you gotta kill the other team sometime eh? Or cops gogo.



I am totally a viable lynch candidate so why the fuck shoot me instead of lynching??
The longer posts he did were all on easy candidates, but still I cannot wrap my head around why he wants to shoot me instead of lynching, makes zero sense.

##Vote: Mr.Cheesecake

Why would you say you are a lynch candidate if you are town. There is no reason to. Inherent guilt.
Also he is afraid of getting shot by another scumteam.

Next...
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October 01 2013 16:44 GMT
#2020
Oh yeah, Solstice is town.
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October 01 2013 16:51 GMT
#2022
Yeah and austin is town. That makes:
Palmar, ShiaoPi, hiro, Pandain, FT, SnB and maybe Grack scum.
I am not entirely sure of FT, SnB and Grack.
Palmar is in a team with Pandain and someone who is not FT/SnB.
If SnB is scum he is definitely not in a team with Palmar. Not with ShiaoPi aswell. Or Grack.
Grack and PAlmar have been on each other's throats like usually, the difference is they are just insulting each other, not trying to get each other lynched. Notice Grack has had a scumread on Palmar for like the whole game and has done nothing about it. Probably he is scum and one of FT/SnB is town.
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October 01 2013 16:52 GMT
#2023
On October 02 2013 01:44 WaveofShadow wrote:
Catching up, but I gotta say I feel pretty good about Palms being town.
3 pages back atm.

Rayn, I am not letting you off the hook. Your reads on me have been weird as shit this game----you gave up your original tunnel pretty quick, then tried to get back on it after the first day and then just got off again?
Sick =/= explanation. Let's hear it.

I forgot the one post that made you town.
You can lynch me, no probs. Just lynch Palmar D3 and then the rest of my list.
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October 01 2013 16:55 GMT
#2026
Basically anyone i pointed out is a better lynch than FT... :/
I am sad WoS.

I also missed something, someone has to be bussing. I am fairly confident in my town reads.
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October 01 2013 16:56 GMT
#2028
No fuck, SnB is prolly town. And FT scum. So we have one good scumteam and one bad. :D
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October 01 2013 16:57 GMT
#2030
On October 02 2013 01:55 Grackaroni wrote:
hahaha Rayn I'm like confirmed town.

Nah you have recycled my reasons in why Palmar is scum and have done nothing else about it. Also he's not attacking you but me because i am not scum withg him and you probably are.
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October 01 2013 17:08 GMT
#2044
On October 02 2013 01:57 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2013 01:52 VayneAuthority wrote:
nice reads, they pretty much line up perfectly with fine almost. One more cycle and ill probably have this game figured out after a few more people die.

VA: You always think you have games figured out even when you don't.


Rayn I like that last post even if I don't necessarily agree with the reads. Find it difficult to believe you'd put that much thought into trying to actually determine both scumteams through association as scum, though I suppose that's predicated on whether those scumteams/reads make sense in relation to each other, which I haven't done the fact checking on.

No martyring. If you're town I'm not lynching you and I'm not lynching Palmar. It would be nice to have a game where we both have solid townreads on each other for once---can you please try and discover what it was exactly that made you change your mind about me for the final time? That really confuses me.

This post:
On September 29 2013 02:36 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2013 02:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
WoS can you elaborate on my (3). What went through your head during those posts.

I can't Rayn. I am not making it up, but I honestly cannot tell you. If that makes me scum so be it.

I thought i commented on it but apparently i didn't. This was exactly the answer i was looking for. You are not making up bullshit reasons but saying "i have no idea, something was fucked up with me".
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October 01 2013 17:10 GMT
#2047
On October 02 2013 02:06 WaveofShadow wrote:
VAYNE YOU FUCKING IDIOT. (ADHOMADHOMADHOMADHOM)
You said 'I'll ahve this game figured out.'
You always say shit like 'My D1 reads are always accurate.'
So based on my observances of you I make a statement that that is false.

Do you need me to come over to your house and spell it out with fucking fisher price letters?

Holy balls you are infuriatingly obtuse.

Vayne's reads are really good on D1 when he is town.
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October 01 2013 17:11 GMT
#2049
On October 02 2013 02:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2013 02:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 02 2013 01:57 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 02 2013 01:52 VayneAuthority wrote:
nice reads, they pretty much line up perfectly with fine almost. One more cycle and ill probably have this game figured out after a few more people die.

VA: You always think you have games figured out even when you don't.


Rayn I like that last post even if I don't necessarily agree with the reads. Find it difficult to believe you'd put that much thought into trying to actually determine both scumteams through association as scum, though I suppose that's predicated on whether those scumteams/reads make sense in relation to each other, which I haven't done the fact checking on.

No martyring. If you're town I'm not lynching you and I'm not lynching Palmar. It would be nice to have a game where we both have solid townreads on each other for once---can you please try and discover what it was exactly that made you change your mind about me for the final time? That really confuses me.

This post:
On September 29 2013 02:36 WaveofShadow wrote:
On September 29 2013 02:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
WoS can you elaborate on my (3). What went through your head during those posts.

I can't Rayn. I am not making it up, but I honestly cannot tell you. If that makes me scum so be it.

I thought i commented on it but apparently i didn't. This was exactly the answer i was looking for. You are not making up bullshit reasons but saying "i have no idea, something was fucked up with me".

HAHA
No, that's not quite it but I do think you and I are on the same page with this one. I know exactly what I was thinking at the time and I'm thinking maybe you might have caught on too.

Problem is, I'm not entirely sure why that constitutes a townread of me.

You are not being bullshitty but genuine instead. If you are fooling me so be it but i think you are not.
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October 01 2013 17:20 GMT
#2053
I already explained it. Read Oats ffs.
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October 01 2013 17:36 GMT
#2062
On October 02 2013 02:26 Oatsmaster wrote:
what the fuck rayn
I asked you to explain this.
Show nested quote +
Why would you say you are a lynch candidate if you are town. There is no reason to. Inherent guilt.
Also he is afraid of getting shot by another scumteam.

Next...

What reason is there to say that you are a lynch candidate if you are scum? There is no reason to.

SO YOU DON'T GET SHOT!
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October 01 2013 17:42 GMT
#2063
When the fuck is the deadline?
Let's kill Palmar? I am only voting for me or him.
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October 01 2013 18:30 GMT
#2072
On October 02 2013 03:29 austinmcc wrote:
Don't want to lynch FT or ShiaoPi.

Happy with Koshi, Solstice, probably CR, possibly Pandain.

##vote: s0Lstice

Hiro, could you share some thoughts on people who aren't FT and ShiaoPi? Maybe take a look at rayn/palmar arguing, a peek at CR, and whatchoo thinkin' bout solstice?

Now wtf is this... That's like, no... austin?
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October 01 2013 18:34 GMT
#2074
##Unvote:
##Vote: ShiaoPi

Fuck you guys for not lynching Palmar. Cops shoot Palmar plz.
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October 01 2013 18:37 GMT
#2076
Yeah but Koshi and CR are like totally town and not in danger of getting lynched today. Why even bring that up?
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October 01 2013 18:38 GMT
#2077
And Solstice is in no way getting lynched...
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October 01 2013 18:55 GMT
#2080
vote for ShiaoPi or Palmar.
I am okay with both.
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October 01 2013 19:35 GMT
#2090
Why are people wasting their votes?
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October 01 2013 19:54 GMT
#2100
##Unvote:
##Vote: FirmTofu
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October 01 2013 19:59 GMT
#2126
NO FUCK YOU PALMAR!
Lynch FT!
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October 01 2013 19:59 GMT
#2128
SFHDKLASFHKFAS palmar ffs!
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October 01 2013 20:00 GMT
#2131
OH M FUCKING GOD!
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October 01 2013 20:11 GMT
#2137
One guy is here and silent.
Another guy is here and posts all his reads, types all the time.

GJ lynch fuckers.
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October 02 2013 01:18 GMT
#2245
FUFUFUFUFUFUUFUFUF!
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October 02 2013 02:01 GMT
#2277
shoot me fuckers.
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October 02 2013 17:21 GMT
#2379
On October 03 2013 02:18 Oatsmaster wrote:
I say we lynch Palmar. What do you guys think?

Very good idea.
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October 02 2013 17:29 GMT
#2384
yeah you can check me, the we can lynch Palmar.
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October 02 2013 17:59 GMT
#2388
On October 03 2013 02:45 Grackaroni wrote:
Koshi totes VT. Check Hiro IMO

So you and Palmar can keep on calling me scum? Nah..
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October 02 2013 18:15 GMT
#2390
Btw Palmar switching to ShiaoPi was true bullshit.
ShiaoPi and FT were bith about to die. ShiaoPi posted reads, the dude was like typing all the time in case he gets lynched he'll get as much as possible out. FT sat back, promised reads and what we got? Yeah, nothing.
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October 03 2013 12:05 GMT
#2572
I don't give a fuck what FT is atm. Palmar is scum, he doesn't care about the game at all while looking like he does.
##Vote: Palmar
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October 03 2013 12:05 GMT
#2573
Just look at his reasoning for every single vote of his. Bad.
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October 04 2013 00:21 GMT
#2645
So. We lynch Palmar. Who opposes this?
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October 04 2013 00:21 GMT
#2646
Yeah PAndabearguy is csum. ggnore.
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October 04 2013 00:22 GMT
#2647
Vote for PALMAR!
If you don't, ima shout you post game.
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October 04 2013 15:22 GMT
#2878
Except Pandain, there is a connection between him and SnB.
SnB defended FT quite a bit in FT -- ShiaoPi lynch last day.
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October 04 2013 15:29 GMT
#2882
Because i am gonna vote for Palmar or FT today. And you all are dumb for not lynching Palmar so i probably end up voting for FT.

Yeah no, VE.
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October 04 2013 15:30 GMT
#2883
On October 05 2013 00:28 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2013 00:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Except Pandain, there is a connection between him and SnB.
SnB defended FT quite a bit in FT -- ShiaoPi lynch last day.
And scum only defend scumbuddies! They never defend townies.


Show nested quote +
On October 05 2013 00:14 Palmar wrote:
btw, planning a voteswing is usually an awful idea. I know I should probably not be arguing this as said voteswing most likely would be onto me, but if I'm FT and reading this thread right now, I just don't post anything, hope town voteswings and post my vote right at the deadline. He's dead anyway and it stops town from usefulness for another cycle.

He has already posted this cycle, so he is very much aware of this game.
Trying not to play the "toss everything Palmar says on the scummy pile" game, but this statement is just lazy/bad/anti-town.

I guarantee you FT doesn't have magical powers where his being alive prevents people from posting, from reading, from doing anything. If he survives another 18,000 nights, we'll all have the capacity to read and post.

I am not saying it's definitely so that FT is SnB's scumbuddy. I was pointing out the incorrect statement from Pandain that there is a possible conncetion.
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October 04 2013 15:40 GMT
#2890
VE i am actually here:


You just can't see it yet.
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October 04 2013 15:41 GMT
#2893
Who's the other one?
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October 04 2013 15:43 GMT
#2894
EBWOP: Austin, who's the other soft-claimed coop?
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October 04 2013 15:46 GMT
#2897
On October 05 2013 00:43 austinmcc wrote:
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On October 05 2013 00:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
EBWOP: Austin, who's the other soft-claimed coop?
I have one in particular in mind. One of the dudes on the player list.

So should we in your opinion discuss them -- Koshi? In case you are right one of them has to be mafia right?
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October 04 2013 15:48 GMT
#2898
On October 05 2013 00:46 Pandain wrote:
Lets not talk about cop claims except to say no one has really claimed cop.


Palmar I picked up on Koshi too but why mention it? He obviously didn't get shot by scum last night so why bring it to their attention?

Because it was so obvious noone could have possibly missed it.
And yeah, he has basically claimed cop.
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October 04 2013 15:50 GMT
#2901
On October 05 2013 00:49 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2013 00:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Except Pandain, there is a connection between him and SnB.
SnB defended FT quite a bit in FT -- ShiaoPi lynch last day.

No he didn't stop spreading this lie tell me where he said FT is town

I have not said SnB called FT town. Mafia usually tends to not call their scumbuddies town, they tend to call someone else scummier. Look at SnB's filter and his arguments on FT -- ShiaoPi, if you can't see that as defending FT by proxy then i dunno what to tell you..
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October 04 2013 15:52 GMT
#2904
On October 05 2013 00:51 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2013 00:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 05 2013 00:46 Pandain wrote:
Lets not talk about cop claims except to say no one has really claimed cop.


Palmar I picked up on Koshi too but why mention it? He obviously didn't get shot by scum last night so why bring it to their attention?

Because it was so obvious noone could have possibly missed it.
And yeah, he has basically claimed cop.

Except apparently scum did. Maybe scum team is bad? Why point it out. I see you using it to indirectly justify a town read on Rayn but he isn't getting lynched so there was no reason to talk about it.

That's a major reason Austin is town to me for downplaying it

I am talking about his claim this phase, not on N2.

Why do you think everyone thinks Palmar is scum but noone is actyually willing to lynch him?
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October 04 2013 15:54 GMT
#2907
Are those confirmed townies alive?
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October 04 2013 15:54 GMT
#2910
On October 05 2013 00:54 Pandain wrote:
Because a palmar lynch is bad

Why? Why the fuck everyone says so?
Scum lynch is good.
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#2911
On October 05 2013 00:54 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2013 00:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 05 2013 00:51 Pandain wrote:
On October 05 2013 00:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 05 2013 00:46 Pandain wrote:
Lets not talk about cop claims except to say no one has really claimed cop.


Palmar I picked up on Koshi too but why mention it? He obviously didn't get shot by scum last night so why bring it to their attention?

Because it was so obvious noone could have possibly missed it.
And yeah, he has basically claimed cop.

Except apparently scum did. Maybe scum team is bad? Why point it out. I see you using it to indirectly justify a town read on Rayn but he isn't getting lynched so there was no reason to talk about it.

That's a major reason Austin is town to me for downplaying it

I am talking about his claim this phase, not on N2.

Why do you think everyone thinks Palmar is scum but noone is actyually willing to lynch him?
Because people look at their original reads and think they must be right. Like VE's "less townie" on Palmar, I think people liked his early play and aren't taking a fresh look at his play in full.

Personal theory.

Yeah, i think you are right. Palmar has done absolutely nothing to help the town this game.
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October 04 2013 15:57 GMT
#2916
So PAlmar shot SnB.
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October 04 2013 15:58 GMT
#2918
Because absolutely no other scum had any motivation to shoot SnB.
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October 04 2013 15:59 GMT
#2921
On October 05 2013 00:58 Koshi wrote:
Oh and rayn is 100%. I am keeping 1 townie a secret. Dnu why.

Fucking wasting every blue role I get D:

No this is good because you can bus yourself.
You guys should have both bussed on N1. :D
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October 04 2013 16:05 GMT
#2927
Yeah but town!Palmar is a good troll. This one is not a good troll.
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Profile Joined April 2007
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October 04 2013 16:08 GMT
#2936
Pandain is also scum, most likely. He's been going so hard against the thread sentiment it's unbelieveable. Like nothing anyone else says makes sense to him... How's that possible?
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October 04 2013 16:11 GMT
#2941
So my Palmar push is scum motivated? Good job PAndain.
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October 04 2013 16:14 GMT
#2944
I have said it for like 100 times, Grackaroni said it too. Palmar is not helping the town.
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October 04 2013 16:19 GMT
#2950
On October 05 2013 01:16 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2013 01:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have said it for like 100 times, Grackaroni said it too. Palmar is not helping the town.

Palmar didn't help town a great deal in LXI either and was a lot of the reason people were all over him all game (aside from the triple cop claim caper).

That's not really true. He agreed with people who made logical arguments (mainly me & Sharrant from what i remember) and the marv&geript stuff threw him totally off.
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October 04 2013 16:35 GMT
#2961
On October 05 2013 01:34 WaveofShadow wrote:
I don't really find Cheese suspicious.

Me neither. I mean i don't remember anything he has said and that makes him probably town.
Also PAndain's case on Vayne is really bad. Vayne has said a lot of cool stuff in this game.
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October 04 2013 16:41 GMT
#2964
So apparently, in this game, you acn't lynch certain people because there are certain other people in the game. Regardless of how scummy they are.

That's cool and everything... not..
##Unvote:
##Vote: FirmTofu
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October 04 2013 16:44 GMT
#2966
So Pandain, vote for Palmar then ok?
As you think he is scum and FT is town and Vayne is not gonna get lynched.
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October 04 2013 16:46 GMT
#2968
##Unvote:
##Vote: Palmar
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October 04 2013 19:10 GMT
#3049
Let's do something wise and vote for Palmar instead of stupid things alright?
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October 04 2013 19:26 GMT
#3055
Yeah and what was i arguing about. That Palmar is mafia. :p
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October 04 2013 19:35 GMT
#3063
No but austin, your reads are quite different than mine too.
I think Koshi - VE - WoS - CR - CC - you are town. Probably Vayne too. And Solstice.

That leaves Palmar, Pandain, FT, Oats. That means i am wrong on at least someone. And i don't feel like Oats is "strongly scum" if you get what i mean.
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October 04 2013 19:38 GMT
#3064
The thing that bothers me most on Vayne is that he has had a town read on me. Every game that happens he is scum.
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October 04 2013 19:39 GMT
#3065
I mean all game.
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October 04 2013 19:43 GMT
#3068
On October 05 2013 04:40 VayneAuthority wrote:
?? we just played golden sun where I tried to get you killed all game until doctor claim lol

Actually you didn't until i started calling you scum. You agreed with me until that point, besides on BH. :p

Austin; There was something CR said at the start of the game that made me have a strong town read on him. I can dig that up later.
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October 04 2013 19:48 GMT
#3074
Let's kill Palmar. If FT comes in it's a fucking cheap trick and we auto-lynch him tomorrow.
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October 04 2013 19:51 GMT
#3082
But Pandain is scum. Don't vote with scum.
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October 04 2013 19:51 GMT
#3083
On October 05 2013 04:51 WaveofShadow wrote:
I have my FT vote copy/paste ready though in case of ninjavote.

+1, but first you need to put your vote on Palmar.
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October 04 2013 19:56 GMT
#3099
That's WIFOM, the post. Maybe Palmar is not scum with FT, maybe he is different scum. Maybe he was already bussing, and i gave him "legitmate reason to switch". Who knows, but WIFOM.
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October 04 2013 19:57 GMT
#3103
rofl wtf is that post Vayne?
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October 04 2013 19:59 GMT
#3111
Palmar is wagon of town.
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October 04 2013 19:59 GMT
#3113
Koshi are you the good cop? <3
As i said before the game. :D
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October 04 2013 20:29 GMT
#3150
Pandain next.
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October 04 2013 20:31 GMT
#3155
This gunna be very interesting. VE i think we should vest ourselves tonight.
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October 04 2013 20:32 GMT
#3160
On October 05 2013 05:31 VayneAuthority wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2013 05:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
This gunna be very interesting. VE i think we should vest ourselves tonight.


you should absolutely vest, we need both of you alive or to at least eat double stacks to finish this game

Do you think the game is not gonna finish if we die? :D
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October 04 2013 20:33 GMT
#3163
On October 05 2013 05:31 Koshi wrote:
Need to find the last Banger.
Prior 1

Do you think he is a banger rayn?

I dunno. I'll look through Palmar's & SnB's filters tomorrow morning.
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October 04 2013 20:34 GMT
#3165
On October 05 2013 05:32 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2013 05:31 VayneAuthority wrote:
On October 05 2013 05:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
This gunna be very interesting. VE i think we should vest ourselves tonight.


you should absolutely vest, we need both of you alive or to at least eat double stacks to finish this game

What should I do? I got 4 options.

Let's see tomorrow. Probably doc yourself is the best thing you can do. Let scum shoot into each other.
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October 04 2013 20:36 GMT
#3168
VE i told you you just can't see how right i am.. yet.
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October 04 2013 20:37 GMT
#3174
Oats is not a bad lynch either. Most likely. I gotta reread him too.
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October 04 2013 20:38 GMT
#3177
On October 05 2013 05:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2013 05:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
VE i told you you just can't see how right i am.. yet.

You speak like the last member on his team.

But to your credit, you're about here now.

You know i was seriously just about to quote Justin Bieber to tell where you are.:DX
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October 04 2013 20:48 GMT
#3190
On October 05 2013 05:46 WaveofShadow wrote:
So if SnB/Palmar were bussing hardcore do we think 3rd Motor banger whatever was too? Worth thinking about?

I think it's the opposite. That would be really dumb. Trust me, i know what i am talking about and how that ends *cough* Catch 22 *cough*. :D
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October 04 2013 20:54 GMT
#3197
On October 05 2013 05:50 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2013 05:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 05 2013 05:46 WaveofShadow wrote:
So if SnB/Palmar were bussing hardcore do we think 3rd Motor banger whatever was too? Worth thinking about?

I think it's the opposite. That would be really dumb. Trust me, i know what i am talking about and how that ends *cough* Catch 22 *cough*. :D

I was thinking that but I don't know if we really have a way of knowing.
Rayn why are you so chummy with me?
With all of the other suspicion toward me going around atm I would expect you of all people to be all over that.
Especially since you started out the game with me as scum.

I dunno, you have said some stuff that i would not expect to come from town!WoS lately.
But you are definitely on top of my list atm.
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October 04 2013 20:54 GMT
#3198
EBWOP: Not on top of my list...
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October 04 2013 20:56 GMT
#3203
Don't worry WoS, your reads are pretty good looking to me.
Solstice i know it's weird. I have been wanting to lynch Palmar all game and have been called scum for it by half of the people. Funny. I dunno why you should be considered scummy.
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October 04 2013 20:57 GMT
#3206
On October 05 2013 05:56 VayneAuthority wrote:
Austin is capable of good scum games and it would explain his s0lstice obsession. he hasn't commented on other lurkers like cheesecake really.

also pandain is basically confirmed other team scum, I was right at the beginning in thinking that wasn't fake. palmar claimed motor city banger and pandain came in and said he's from the opposite scum team. More on why pandain is scum when you know what happens

Actually lol.. I already forgot about that. That's a pretty fucking interesting theory.
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October 04 2013 21:08 GMT
#3221
On October 05 2013 01:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Pandain is also scum, most likely. He's been going so hard against the thread sentiment it's unbelieveable. Like nothing anyone else says makes sense to him... How's that possible?

This.
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October 04 2013 21:11 GMT
#3222
I suggest that before the end of the night everyone takes a look into Palmar's & SnB's filters and give thoughts about them.
Also Grackaroni is a good place to look into, he was killed for a reason, most likely because he was after Palmar with me but Palmar didn't call him scum like he did call me. There could be more though.
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October 04 2013 22:45 GMT
#3274
Are you people reading or not?
Koshi said cops have not shot anyone. Cops have also confirmed me and VE as town.

Please read.
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October 05 2013 00:13 GMT
#3334
Man i wanted to lynch WoS for his first post. And got called scum for it too..
This game has been so weird. :D
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October 05 2013 00:30 GMT
#3341
I dunno if you are still joking VE but Koshi has copped me as town!
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October 05 2013 00:33 GMT
#3344
My case on WoS was the best on D1 and Palmar called it bad. My (and Grack's) case on Palmar was the best on D1, Palmar and WoS called it bad.
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October 05 2013 00:33 GMT
#3345
Notice how i only make best cases and they are equally best.
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October 05 2013 00:35 GMT
#3346
On October 05 2013 09:33 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2013 09:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I dunno if you are still joking VE but Koshi has copped me as town!

RAAAH RAAH AH AH AHH
RAAH MAAA RAMAH AAH
GAAAH GAAAH OOH LAA LAAAH

Are we singing this together in... let's say... 3,5 hours?
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October 05 2013 00:41 GMT
#3357
You might be right Vayne, it makes the most sense.
But you are wrong, none of the teams is loaded.
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October 05 2013 00:44 GMT
#3361
On October 05 2013 09:42 VayneAuthority wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2013 09:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You might be right Vayne, it makes the most sense.
But you are wrong, none of the teams is loaded.


5 KP and 3 members vs 3 KP and 1 member ^^ loaded by comparison. about as strong a game as scum could have at this point

There is no 3 KP this night.
Team 1 = 1kp N1 + 1 kp N2
Team 2 = 0kp N1 + 2kp N2

Neither of the teams can have 2 KP this night.
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October 05 2013 00:45 GMT
#3362
HOLY FUCK! I totally misread the KP thingy. OMFG!
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October 05 2013 00:47 GMT
#3367
lol right :D
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October 05 2013 02:21 GMT
#3413
Don't worry VE. Go on with what you were doing, it was good.
I'll make a post tomorrow about the scum people.
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October 05 2013 02:58 GMT
#3432
PAndain plays to his scum-meta here. I totally agree with Vayne.
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October 05 2013 03:03 GMT
#3437
On October 05 2013 12:00 Pandain wrote:
What I've literally been town this whole game I didn't do shit in noir and bussed a lot

I'm sorry i can't stop laughing when reading this, just because regardless of anything it sounds so hilarious. :D
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October 06 2013 01:21 GMT
#3774
WTF DID I DIE?
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October 06 2013 02:08 GMT
#3807
hihi
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October 06 2013 02:34 GMT
#3825
i know who we lynch. t_t
haha. :D
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October 06 2013 02:36 GMT
#3830
CR, i wanna lynch you... tbh
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October 06 2013 02:36 GMT
#3831
oh solstice.. bad..
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October 06 2013 02:40 GMT
#3839
##Vove: Solstice
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October 06 2013 02:42 GMT
#3842
scumclaim. vote for solsitce
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October 06 2013 13:59 GMT
#4012
Okay, time to read solstice's filter. I believe Koshi, based purely on this post:
On October 06 2013 22:07 Koshi wrote:
The ambulance on Hiro day 1 is maybe the least likely. We never even considered that.

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October 06 2013 14:06 GMT
#4016
Yeah, solstice "found scum Palmar", totally.. Can be seen from his filter. ROFLLLL!!!
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October 06 2013 14:06 GMT
#4017
no solstice is not making any sense. lynch him.
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October 06 2013 14:13 GMT
#4019
Koshi do you have cocaine left?
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October 06 2013 14:15 GMT
#4022
Do you have any KP left?
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October 06 2013 14:18 GMT
#4026
Let's not lynch solctice or Koshi. Koshi shoots solstice the following night. Solstice can do wtf he wants as he is scum.
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October 06 2013 14:25 GMT
#4029
You are right. And also town. :D
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October 06 2013 14:31 GMT
#4035
On October 06 2013 23:27 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2013 23:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You are right. And also town. :D

These rayn tests are getting a bit too easy.

Yet Oats fails the test horribly. :D
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October 06 2013 15:06 GMT
#4063
I am not going after Oats. You are twisting my words. Also you had nothing to do with lynching Palmar besides putting your vote on him. You trying to take credit for that is a joke solstice. Everyone who reads your filter can see it. You "agree with Pandain's read on Palmar". Pandain's #3 or 4 scumread, not very strong.
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October 06 2013 15:32 GMT
#4086
On October 07 2013 00:27 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2013 00:26 s0Lstice wrote:
On October 07 2013 00:02 s0Lstice wrote:
Cheesecake what do you think about that Rayn shit. Austin too.


CC?


s0lstice idc about rayn he is being useless fuck.

Useless fuck who's been trying to lynch scum from the start of the game, unlike many other people.
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October 06 2013 15:39 GMT
#4091
So Koshi basically fakeclaims cop on N2 and solstice decides to not shoot him? Right.
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October 06 2013 15:39 GMT
#4094
Oh this is so fucking hilarious.
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October 06 2013 15:40 GMT
#4097
On October 07 2013 00:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
s0lstice already shot SnB... he can't shoot again? Or am i wrong about that

SnB was N2 shot.
There is a dude who fakeclaim a cop and you shoot someone else?
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October 06 2013 15:41 GMT
#4099
Then on N3 he uses the absolute worst power ever, for what? "To out the whole scumteam". rofl-
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October 06 2013 15:41 GMT
#4100
On October 07 2013 00:40 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2013 00:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 07 2013 00:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
s0lstice already shot SnB... he can't shoot again? Or am i wrong about that

SnB was N2 shot.
There is a dude who fakeclaim a cop and you shoot someone else?


Koshi didn't claim until late d3??

Koshi basically claimed on N2. Anyone not retard saw that.
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October 06 2013 15:46 GMT
#4108
That's actually interesting. Koshi tell more?
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October 06 2013 15:48 GMT
#4111
On October 07 2013 00:46 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Rayn where did he "claim on n2" that any retard could see.

He basically told the thread he is going to shoot me.
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October 06 2013 15:52 GMT
#4117
On October 03 2013 02:22 Koshi wrote:
Oh hi rayn. Imagine I am a cop and I can confirm you tonight. Would you like me to do it so the entire town knows you are town?

On October 03 2013 02:23 Koshi wrote:
You will be called bad instead of scum, but everybody will know it comes from town rayn. A gift from me to you.

Totally a "breadcrumb". TOTALLY!
This is TOTALLY a breacrumb. AT LEAST THSI IS TOTALLY MORE LIKELY TO BE A "NICE BREADCRUMB" THAN A CLAIM!

omfg, don't let this game turn into another Noire.
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October 06 2013 16:30 GMT
#4129
Confirming Oats makes no sense from scum pov. Confirming me makes no sense from scum pov.
Confirming me resulted in lynching Palmar. Confirming Oats resulted in non-Oats lynch.

Unless Oats is scum with Koshi, it makes no sense. And even the it doesn't make sense to fakeclaim cop when it's not needed.

Solstice on the other fucked up and had no other option.
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October 06 2013 17:36 GMT
#4179
No, it's the only thing you could claim after fucked up powerplay on CC.
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October 06 2013 17:57 GMT
#4187
So why did Koshi draw NK-attention to himself as soft claiming multiple times on N2, why did he claim on D3 when there was zero suspicion on him?
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October 06 2013 17:57 GMT
#4188
Koshi's claim makes 100x more sense to me. I am not going to vote for him.
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October 06 2013 17:59 GMT
#4191
Given that even solstice's night actions could be true, it is bullshit that he did not PS the dude who basically fakeclaimed cop. Then when Koshi ACTUALLY fakeclaims cop, Solstice sits on his ass for 1 day and 1 night phase and does nothing about it.
Bullshit.
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October 06 2013 18:57 GMT
#4228
Solstice you are nitpicking very much.
It's like saying someone must be mafia because they want to "kill" people instead of "lynching".

And you have not tried to figure this game out either.
On October 07 2013 03:49 s0Lstice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2013 03:46 Pandain wrote:
You weren't contributing a lot and contributions were bad.

Like where is this Solstice on days 1-3?

Only reason you post now is because your about to die


Talk to me about how your characterization makes a clear distinction between blue and scum.

Wtf is this bullshit?
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October 06 2013 18:59 GMT
#4230
Like Solsticed is accusing Koshi of non-contributing, but when Pandain says the same thing about him, it's "because blue".
rofl-
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October 06 2013 19:02 GMT
#4232
On October 07 2013 03:58 WaveofShadow wrote:
Simple scenario is daaaa best
The only thing I have trouble with now + Show Spoiler +
(aside from why did a scum solstice bother doing this in the first place----probably impatience imo because I imagine it's ridiculously nerve-wracking when your survival is entirely out of your own hands---oh wait I know about that survivor lololol)
is why was Koshi not shot? Is the explanation 'because he only soft-claimed and maybe scum didn't believe him and he didn't get shot the night after that 'cause he WIFOMed them into thinking he'd be busdriving?'

I think both scumteam sacced KP last night? That was the wisest thing for them. Apparently not though, as VE was shot and solstice telephoned CC (unless they are both in the same scumteam, but that's practically impossible). lol, dumb scum.

I have a theory on Solstice's actions, but it doesn't really matter, because we'll lynch him either way.
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October 06 2013 19:07 GMT
#4237
But in the quote you admit that Pandain is right and say "because of blue". So no.
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October 06 2013 19:11 GMT
#4242
Like, i have no idea why Koshi would fakeclaim. Zero.Nada.
Lynches were FT & Palmar, maybe Vayne (but not for real).

Confirming me opened a venue to lynching Palmar as i can be trusted. So Koshi is not scum with him. Why would one of the three man scum team claim scum when Koshi did, as Vayne (from the lynch candidates) COULD be scum with him, noone else. And Vayne was the worst lynch D3.
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raynpelikoneet
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October 06 2013 19:13 GMT
#4246
On October 07 2013 04:08 WaveofShadow wrote:
Rayn can you explain to me why you didn't bother playing the game until your butt buddy Koshi came under fire?

I have tried to lynch Palmar every single day in this game. If you guys do not listen to me, then i can't do anything about it.
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October 06 2013 19:16 GMT
#4249
On October 07 2013 04:13 WaveofShadow wrote:
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On October 07 2013 04:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 07 2013 04:08 WaveofShadow wrote:
Rayn can you explain to me why you didn't bother playing the game until your butt buddy Koshi came under fire?

I have tried to lynch Palmar every single day in this game. If you guys do not listen to me, then i can't do anything about it.

After the Palmar lynch where were you?

What do you mean? Why should i be here on night phase? I put on vest and that's it. I live unless double stacked. I also told i think Pandain is scum and should be lynched next. Obviously that changed after the sol claim.
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October 06 2013 20:28 GMT
#4316
If we are lynching outside the cops we lynch Austin. That's so bad.
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raynpelikoneet
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October 06 2013 20:36 GMT
#4327
I have this feeling:
Austin/Pandain/Solstice/Mr.CC.

There we have our 4 scum.Just need to get rid of them.
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October 06 2013 20:37 GMT
#4328
On October 07 2013 05:35 s0Lstice wrote:
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On October 07 2013 05:32 VisceraEyes wrote:
On October 07 2013 05:30 s0Lstice wrote:
Like, VE, you have a problem with me acting how I did as cop. Being a cop is fucking difficult. The only other time I've been 'blue' is in PTP where everyone was at least a little blue, and I basically got lynched day 1 there. It's just not a skill I have (right now anyway). I'll remind you too that I have NEVER been lynched. The two times where I've been even really close is here and PTP, both of which are related to blueness. This isn't a coincidence. At least do me a favor and go read my lone scum game that I have on my record and compare. It's Basterd Mini Mafia.

Then:

WHY WOULD YOU HAVE THE CONFIDENCE IN YOURSELF AND YOUR READS ENOUGH TO THINK YOU CAN CATCH THE WHOLE SCUMTEAM?!?!

SOLSICE THIS DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE - YOU'RE EXPECTING US TO BELIEVE THAT YOU'RE PLAYING THIS WAY AS A RESULT OF BEING NEWB BUT FOR THE PURPOSE OF DOING NEXT-LEVEL MINDGAMES WITH THE ENTIRE OPPOSING FORCE!!! DO YOU NOT SEE HOW THIS IS A HUGE CONTRADICTION?!


VE, being a nervous and unsure blue does not affect the convictions I have in my own reads. I was convinced CC was scum. This fact remains the same whether I'm green or blue. The distinction is what I do with the blue actions and the blue role in general. These are not mutually exclusive ideas. They run parallel not opposite.

So because CC didn't claim scum to you he must be town? Right.
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October 06 2013 20:40 GMT
#4335
On October 07 2013 05:38 austinmcc wrote:
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On October 07 2013 05:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If we are lynching outside the cops we lynch Austin. That's so bad.
Why? Don't be lazy. Why do you think it's bad?

BECAUSE WE LOSE KOSHI ON THE NEXT NIGHT 100%!
That's removing confirmed townies for a fucking KP in a game where people have vests..
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October 06 2013 20:41 GMT
#4338
And we can't even be usre if we remove KP. WE CAN'T BE EVEN SURE IF WE LYNCH SCUM! At least your target is most likely town.
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October 06 2013 20:49 GMT
#4341
On October 07 2013 05:41 austinmcc wrote:
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On October 07 2013 05:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 07 2013 05:38 austinmcc wrote:
On October 07 2013 05:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If we are lynching outside the cops we lynch Austin. That's so bad.
Why? Don't be lazy. Why do you think it's bad?

BECAUSE WE LOSE KOSHI ON THE NEXT NIGHT 100%!
That's removing confirmed townies for a fucking KP in a game where people have vests..
Why is losing Koshi bad?

If we lose Koshi, we 100% know solstice's alignment.

WHY IS HAVING THE WHOLE SITUATION RESOLVED A BAD THING?

You are fucking idiot because when we lynch Solstice and he is scum we have me + Oats as confirmed town aswell. Besides Koshi. And we lynched scum. Your game is falling apart.
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October 06 2013 23:12 GMT
#4390
On October 07 2013 08:05 austinmcc wrote:
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On October 07 2013 07:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
Austin this is important: why didn't you have a problem with the task involving assuming WoS is town?
Couple things. The landscape has somewhat changed during D4. He's looked reasonable today, and I don't think scum super needs to be reasonable right here given how everything is going. Given that you're townie and I NEED you on board to push something other than a cop lynch, because of how thread is structured right now, I don't have conviction on WoS scum to fight you over that.

The two factions also make it difficult to push WoS scum. If solstice is the cop, WoS is town. If koshi is the cop, then koshi and rayn are town, they seem to have no interest in pushing WoS, they seem to HAVE interest in lynching me eventually, so I need to...build consensus on something else before pushing WoS if I still have him on my scumlist.

If that makes sense. Either he's town, or town thinks I'm mafia and he's town. For right now, that's NOT the read to push, and I need to find common ground OR bust heads harder, and then solve WoS later (unless he REALLY sticks out as 3rd banger).

So you are not trying to solve the game but give out reads that suit you the best? Like, "i can convince people this guy is scum, but not this guy". How does that make any sense?
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raynpelikoneet
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October 06 2013 23:24 GMT
#4393
And why is it easier to judge other people and find scum there from people you already know 1/2 is scum of?
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raynpelikoneet
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October 06 2013 23:53 GMT
#4403
I want to kill Solstice because that guarantees there will be protection on Koshi the next night.
If we do not kill either of them, Koshi will be either shot or there will be no confirmed townies (in case scum leave him alive). Again we are going to be guessing on the next day, even if we lynched scum today.
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raynpelikoneet
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October 07 2013 00:12 GMT
#4408
No, the most certain lynch now is Solstice. Tomorrow we have another lynch that's going to be more certain than it is now.
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raynpelikoneet
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October 07 2013 14:35 GMT
#4508
Good job giving thoughts on the only people who will be confirmed town when you flip scum. :D
How about you tell us who is scum from outside me/Oats/Koshi?
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October 07 2013 15:19 GMT
#4541
Next day we will lynch Pandain and tonight i am going to tell you why.
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raynpelikoneet
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October 07 2013 15:24 GMT
#4554
Short version is that he is making zero sense, does not even try to push his preferred lynches and has reads that are based on bullshit.
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October 07 2013 15:30 GMT
#4564
On October 08 2013 00:26 s0Lstice wrote:
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On October 08 2013 00:23 austinmcc wrote:
On October 08 2013 00:19 VisceraEyes wrote:
On September 27 2013 20:10 Koshi wrote:
Hiro pro interesting guy. Do like. Need to follow up though. Otherwise will lynch.



Like.....

Maybe we should just lynch Koshi and #YOLO
Except
On October 01 2013 00:58 s0Lstice wrote:
right well I'm here, taking me awhile to catch up. I'm about to say fuck it and just start playing from here on (with a helpful summary for pages 40-now from someone) but we'll see how much time I get tonight. I didn't want to say much without having a complete picture of the goings on but if that means I never start talking then it's no good.

from what I've read I don't like hiro, or Oats. Cheesecakes weird pressure vote on Oats bothered me as well.

hiro for his entrance into the thread and early passivity (agree with Palmar's points here).


Oats (at least up to where I stopped) hasn't started tunneling anyone yet, and is doing his 'drop a question into a bucket' thing he does as scum. I saw him engaging with the thread but had trouble figuring out what he was hoping to get from his questions and/or didn't see what he was doing with the answers he got.

There's some rumblings for FT. Nothing struck me as odd about him from what I read. I'll look closer tonight.
On October 02 2013 01:09 s0Lstice wrote:
like I said earlier I did get up to page 40 or so. still don't like the FT lynch. didn't see anything in his filter that screamed scum to me.

from what I saw I would like to lynch hiro
On October 02 2013 04:19 s0Lstice wrote:
@austin: tell me how I express guilt, specifically as it retains to an internet forum. you must know as it's important to your read on me.

##vote hiro protagonist

All my townreads for the most part are on FT and that makes me not want to sheep after all





Which do you think put more effective, convincing distance between the two players involved?

Was I putting hiro in danger? Would ANYBODY think that he and I were linked after my early actions? Exactly.

Nah, Pandain is the last guy alive from the other team. They shot BH on N1, because Pandain wants to kill BH always for no reason.

Then you shot SnB and hiro on N2, probably thought they were vice versa (SnB town -> lynch Palmar the next day, and hiro scum from another team). Palmar wanted to get rid of grack because he was calling him scum, and Palmar had a "scumred" on me already.

It's pretty easy to conclude how these things went.
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October 07 2013 15:32 GMT
#4570
Funny thing is when Solstie flips scum and Pandain flips the last scum from another team Mr.CC becomes town.
Koshi, you shoud prolly shoot Pandain next night. He has to sac KP in case he wants to survive.
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raynpelikoneet
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October 07 2013 15:34 GMT
#4573
On October 08 2013 00:33 Pandain wrote:
I like it Rayn you got me

Yeah i know. I'll all scum before i die this night. Actually i prolly won't because they'll shoot Koshi. :D
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October 07 2013 15:38 GMT
#4580
On October 08 2013 00:36 WaveofShadow wrote:
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On October 08 2013 00:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Funny thing is when Solstie flips scum and Pandain flips the last scum from another team Mr.CC becomes town.
Koshi, you shoud prolly shoot Pandain next night. He has to sac KP in case he wants to survive.

Doesn't he have to protect himself?

Not necessarily. Other scumteam does not know what he does for real. Pandain has to vest himself.
Either way, in case Koshi dies, Pandain dies too, or there will be 2 KP and Pandain is confirmed town.

So we trade 1-1 and/or have less suspicious people with same amount of conf-townies.
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raynpelikoneet
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October 07 2013 15:39 GMT
#4582
On October 08 2013 00:37 Koshi wrote:
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On October 08 2013 00:32 s0Lstice wrote:
On October 08 2013 00:29 Koshi wrote:
On October 08 2013 00:20 s0Lstice wrote:
On October 08 2013 00:11 Koshi wrote:
S0lstice.

You think I am part of 3-man team. You want to know the entire 3 man team with your walky talking ploy. Why do you go for CC? Like, why not go for Me or one of my confirmed townies?

Why CC?


At the time I decided to walkie-talkie CC, I was really fucking certain I had scum with him. The nice thing about this option is that it stood aside from you+confirmed townies. I had mindfucked myself so hard in figuring out what it is you are exactly doing that even when I had reasoned my way onto one side, the amount of niggling doubts were still enormous. All things considered, choosing a strong scum-read that was largely independent of the you situation seemed the safest. More, there was a chance that you guys were linked and I would end up with some corroborating evidence aside from the fact that you claimed my role. It really seemed like a win-win, a way to kill two-birds with one stone.

...and, in the end, I always had the knowledge that I was going to have to counter-claim if you never stepped down as a fake-claiming town. I didn't really expect it to be this fucking difficult, or for you to sell your fake claim so fucking well. I knew I'd get heat for not countering immediately but I thought that the truth was gonna win out. Apparently the lateness of it trumps the truth.

tldr: On N3 you still thought I was town?


No, maybe you shouldn't tldr it.

I just don't understand you.

Like, if I was scum I was always on the 3 man team (you confirmed this earlier). So if you are a cop, why not contact me, why contact CC? Because it seems you were certain about both me and CC? And we are in the same scumteam, and you knew rayn was in our team. Why not simple shoot me, and then say: "oh hi guis, I am cop, Koshi obviously isn't, his teammates are 100% CC and 85% rayn".

That would actually make sense if you were a cop.

If you are scum why am i on your team?
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October 07 2013 15:40 GMT
#4584
Oh right. Anyways it doesn't even matter because Sol is scum.
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October 07 2013 15:43 GMT
#4586
Guys you are looking it the wrong way.

We do not know what motivation Solstice had to contact Mr.CC. But it doesn't matter. What matters is that when he DID contact him, he HAD to claim cop because that was his only option.

Also he did not counter-claim Koshi in the first place, and let him run around "confirming" townies. That's all the evidence we need. He is mafia.
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October 07 2013 15:45 GMT
#4589
If Solstice was a cop, he would ambulance himself on N3, claim on N3, and lynch Koshi the next day. His play makes no sense from cop pov. Simple.
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October 07 2013 15:46 GMT
#4592
On October 08 2013 00:44 austinmcc wrote:
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On October 08 2013 00:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Guys you are looking it the wrong way.

We do not know what motivation Solstice had to contact Mr.CC. But it doesn't matter. What matters is that when he DID contact him, he HAD to claim cop because that was his only option.

Also he did not counter-claim Koshi in the first place, and let him run around "confirming" townies. That's all the evidence we need. He is mafia.
He did NOT have to claim cop.

He had the option of saying CC was lying.

Yes but if you fight against Mr.CC rather than Koshi, the cop is confirmed and so are the townies.
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October 07 2013 15:51 GMT
#4597
TLDR;
The point is what Solstice did, it is what he should have done if he was a cop.
We can't know his (teams) reasons for scum motivation, but there is zero town motivation for his actions.
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October 07 2013 15:51 GMT
#4598
EBWOP: ...NOT what he did..
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October 07 2013 15:55 GMT
#4602
If someone claims cop and you are the real cop, you counter-claim him and get him killed. As been said, you hosted Noire where town fucked up with CCing. That's simple, you cc. Period. You didn't, you only claimed when you had to. You are scum.
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October 07 2013 15:57 GMT
#4603
On October 08 2013 00:51 austinmcc wrote:
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On October 08 2013 00:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 08 2013 00:44 austinmcc wrote:
On October 08 2013 00:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Guys you are looking it the wrong way.

We do not know what motivation Solstice had to contact Mr.CC. But it doesn't matter. What matters is that when he DID contact him, he HAD to claim cop because that was his only option.

Also he did not counter-claim Koshi in the first place, and let him run around "confirming" townies. That's all the evidence we need. He is mafia.
He did NOT have to claim cop.

He had the option of saying CC was lying.

Yes but if you fight against Mr.CC rather than Koshi, the cop is confirmed and so are the townies.
Solstice the MCB doesn't care.

He's one man. He's all alone, like VE was with the bear earlier.

You're saying that solstice, as the last man on his scumteam, would go for the play where he puts suspicion on koshi's townies for a day BUT GETS 1000000% KILLED.

He absolutely loses if he goes for this play.

If he calls out cc, he fights against cc rather than koshi, has confirmed townies lying around, but he doesn't 100000% die.

If he's the one-man team, not 10000% dying is better than having a harder lategame.

Solstice is from the 3 man team. Pandain is the last banger dude.
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October 07 2013 16:03 GMT
#4608
Let's look at this:
Living players:
Koshi, VisceraEyes, Mr. Cheesecake, Oatsmaster, raynpelikoneet, Chairman Ray, WaveofShadow, VayneAuthority, austinmcc, Pandain, s0lstice

Koshi has confirmed me/VE/Oats. That leaves;
Solstice, austin, WoS, VA, CR, Pandain, Mr.CC

Three of those are scum.
You have to have an educated guess on three people, who to contact, what kinda response do you get (maybe they team with you, maybe not), how to proceed. When the scumteam of three people left has all the alignments clear, the game becomes much easier for them, even if they lose on player. Who to push, what to expect to happen. In this gmae scum do not have all the information and situations change.

That's also why Pandain is scum, he reacts to situation changes in a different way than townies do. His reads change for no real reasoning based purely on what happened the last night and what players flipped. Townies keep their story straight, Pandain doesn't.
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October 07 2013 16:04 GMT
#4610
On October 08 2013 01:00 WaveofShadow wrote:
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On October 08 2013 00:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 08 2013 00:51 austinmcc wrote:
On October 08 2013 00:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 08 2013 00:44 austinmcc wrote:
On October 08 2013 00:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Guys you are looking it the wrong way.

We do not know what motivation Solstice had to contact Mr.CC. But it doesn't matter. What matters is that when he DID contact him, he HAD to claim cop because that was his only option.

Also he did not counter-claim Koshi in the first place, and let him run around "confirming" townies. That's all the evidence we need. He is mafia.
He did NOT have to claim cop.

He had the option of saying CC was lying.

Yes but if you fight against Mr.CC rather than Koshi, the cop is confirmed and so are the townies.
Solstice the MCB doesn't care.

He's one man. He's all alone, like VE was with the bear earlier.

You're saying that solstice, as the last man on his scumteam, would go for the play where he puts suspicion on koshi's townies for a day BUT GETS 1000000% KILLED.

He absolutely loses if he goes for this play.

If he calls out cc, he fights against cc rather than koshi, has confirmed townies lying around, but he doesn't 100000% die.

If he's the one-man team, not 10000% dying is better than having a harder lategame.

Solstice is from the 3 man team. Pandain is the last banger dude.

Are you suggesting we lynch Pandain today then? There are quite a few people who want the last MCB dead.

No i want Koshi to shoot Pandain for what i said earlier. It makes the game again easier for us.
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October 07 2013 16:08 GMT
#4612
So Solstice, why didn't you discuss Koshi's multiple soft fakeclaims on N2? Did you both miss them?
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October 07 2013 16:09 GMT
#4613
On October 08 2013 01:08 WaveofShadow wrote:
Alright so then you and I are on the same page, at least regarding today/Solstice.

I seem to remember Vayne being on that page as well, though I'm slightly disconcerted with his fucking off for the day.

Vayne is cool. He's been consistent the whole game. He writed good posts and his train of thought has been solid the whole game. He's pretty likely town.
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October 07 2013 16:11 GMT
#4616
Also Austin pretty much has to be mafia with Solstice. If Pandain is the last banger then CC is town, If Pandain is in team with them CC could be the last banger.
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October 07 2013 16:12 GMT
#4617
On October 08 2013 01:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
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On October 08 2013 01:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 08 2013 01:08 WaveofShadow wrote:
Alright so then you and I are on the same page, at least regarding today/Solstice.

I seem to remember Vayne being on that page as well, though I'm slightly disconcerted with his fucking off for the day.

Vayne is cool. He's been consistent the whole game. He writed good posts and his train of thought has been solid the whole game. He's pretty likely town.

Ehhhhhh I'd be real careful with that.
Have you seen scumVayne?

Yes, Vayne does stuff that gives him away as scum. He's wishy-washy about lynches and shit. It's true that he could be scum but i highly doubt. As scum he is active and uses other people's credit as his own (in lynches and shit). I don't see it here.
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October 07 2013 16:14 GMT
#4618
Also there is zero reason why Vayne would discuss what happened during the night as scum. Right or wrong, it does not help his team. He loves NK analysis as town though.
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October 07 2013 16:19 GMT
#4621
On October 08 2013 01:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
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On October 08 2013 01:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also there is zero reason why Vayne would discuss what happened during the night as scum. Right or wrong, it does not help his team. He loves NK analysis as town though.

He does it as scum too if I remember correctly.
Gonna go look at Les Mis.

From Golden Sun i remember he made some. He dropped them when he was being called dumb for it (your kill on N1). SK fit in his scumplay better as town didn't really know what happened. If Vayne was town he would not have let that go as his ego would be against it. After i brought up the "no SK" -theory he just went with it because i think he realized he could not contest it.
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October 07 2013 16:20 GMT
#4623
On October 08 2013 01:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
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On October 08 2013 01:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also Austin pretty much has to be mafia with Solstice. If Pandain is the last banger then CC is town, If Pandain is in team with them CC could be the last banger.

I thought this too, sorta, but I don't think they necessarily need to be on the same team. Essentially If they are on same team, it's way more suspicious of Austin to be hardcore soft-defending solstice all day by trying to move the lynch. If different teams then he knows his method won't do anything, he can say whatever he wants, opposite scum still gets lynched and Austin gets an A for effort.

That's pretty WIFOMy. Also Austin's defence and "let's not kill either of them" makes zero sense.
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October 07 2013 16:22 GMT
#4624
On October 08 2013 01:20 WaveofShadow wrote:
Yeah he talks about NKs all the time as scum.
His analysis wasn't nearly as heavy in that game but imo there was less to analyze. It's not indicative imo. Plus overall it's very difficult to meta Vayne aside from the playing like ass = town, playing well = scum thing he usually has going.

Issue I have is this game he's had his share of both.

But his analysis are different as scum. I can't really explain it, i just know it. :D
I can try if you really want to.
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October 07 2013 16:23 GMT
#4625
Well techically Vayne could be the last banger dude. I need to reread his filter tonight.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 16:29 GMT
#4628
So if Vayne is town and thinks Koshi is the cop should he still be pushing Oats lynch? I don't even know what you are trying to say..
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 16:41 GMT
#4632
So Vayne as scum blames Koshi for confirming his mislynch target? How does that make sense? Like is Vayne in your opinion such a bad scumplayer?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 17:04 GMT
#4638
Nah Austin, you are wrong. Vayne misread the rules.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 17:07 GMT
#4641
Like Austin, how does Vayne's first reaction differ from this:
On October 06 2013 05:13 austinmcc wrote:
Shoop da woop.

Koshi, you were serious about shooting Oats? As in, he's either town or SCUM, AHEAD OF TIME, USED KP TO PUT A VEST ON HIM?

Also, we need two things. Anyone who got shot needs to claim. We count claims, expect POSSIBLE fakes, and lynch some scum today.

Are you scum too by your own definition?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 17:08 GMT
#4644
lol, that's reaching dude..
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 17:08 GMT
#4645
On October 08 2013 02:08 s0Lstice wrote:
welp. looks like its about that time.

[image loading]

<3 ahahahah
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 17:10 GMT
#4647
Thanks Solstice. Which team are you in?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 17:11 GMT
#4650
On October 08 2013 02:10 VayneAuthority wrote:
if solstice is last banger then I will re-read austin. my scumread of austin is based on s0lstice/austin scum together

+1
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 17:12 GMT
#4651
That's pretty fucking good!
Now we solve this game in next 26h.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 17:15 GMT
#4658
Solstice, wanna make a deal? :D

Did you shoot VE?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 17:15 GMT
#4660
Oh and Vayne, that's pretty bad post..
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 17:17 GMT
#4661
Okay so, who want's to lynch another scum besides Sol?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 17:17 GMT
#4662
Austin wanna lynch Pandain instead of Sol?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 17:18 GMT
#4664
Solstice if you are the last banger dude you still have a chance. You just need to help us now.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 17:19 GMT
#4665
On October 08 2013 02:17 VayneAuthority wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2013 02:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oh and Vayne, that's pretty bad post..


what do you mean?

There are better possible lynches if Sol is the last banger dude. And him possily living through the lynch is not playing against his wincon.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 17:20 GMT
#4669
The last Banger is essentially a SK now, if he cooperates he might have like 1% chance on winning. But it also gives town better chances of winning, possibly, if he outs his info.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 17:21 GMT
#4673
On October 08 2013 02:20 WaveofShadow wrote:
Solstice!
<3<3<3
My fucking reads are shit bad this game, but thank you for at least making me feel better about keeping my vote on you.

you played the counterclaim pretty fucking fantastically I gotta say.
I guess you can't give away motivation for doing what you did in the first place?

You just need to listen to me this game. While i do not post as much as usual i make 100% sense.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 17:22 GMT
#4676
On October 08 2013 02:20 s0Lstice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2013 02:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 08 2013 02:17 VayneAuthority wrote:
On October 08 2013 02:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oh and Vayne, that's pretty bad post..


what do you mean?

There are better possible lynches if Sol is the last banger dude. And him possily living through the lynch is not playing against his wincon.


I'm listening..

Do your thing and I'll vote where I vote.

No, the deal is only on the table if you tell us your night actions.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 17:24 GMT
#4677
Solstice do you realize town needs to gain something from you if you want to live. So night actions plz, so we can kill another scum near 100% and you might have a chance of winnig this game.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 17:26 GMT
#4679
On October 08 2013 02:24 WaveofShadow wrote:
OO intrigue.
This bartering is pretty fucking interesting right here. I'm not so sure I'd go in for it though tbh----I mean Solstice I <3 u and all but I have trust issues.

It's not you it's me.

You are gonna go with it if you are town. It'll help us as Solstice essentially needs to do what we tell him to.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 17:27 GMT
#4680
Why are Austin and Vayne so silent? Don't you guys have anything to say? Why?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 17:30 GMT
#4683
On October 08 2013 02:28 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
This seems risky to negotiate with mafia. Especially considering he could be part of either team, we can't trust him.

On October 08 2013 02:28 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2013 02:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why are Austin and Vayne so silent? Don't you guys have anything to say? Why?
ARAM and also writing I post where I tell you that you can make SENSE with your pushes/reads but they can still be wrong. But I don't like the way it comes out, really, and it's not currently helpful to finding scum.

You two, explain to me how is negotiating with Solstice harmful to the town?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 17:30 GMT
#4684
Also Austin, which of my pushes has been wrong?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 17:36 GMT
#4689
On October 08 2013 02:33 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2013 02:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also Austin, which of my pushes has been wrong?

You were scummy on both ShiaoPi and FT. Voted them D2, were willing to vote FT D3.

However, you were scummy on palmar, and seemed mixed on oats which is alright.

To the extent you're pushing me, you're wrong again.

To the extent you're pushing pandain scum and VA town, i THINK you're wrong, but we'll have to see flips.

Only people i have been pushing this game are Palmar, Pandain, Solstice and WoS.

I have never pushed you. Why are you forgetting my WoS push in the beginning of the game?


WoS; When/If Solstice gives us info we analyze if it makes sense or not, and act on that. I am not saying we automatically trust him lol.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 17:37 GMT
#4690
I was neer willing to vote for FT on D3. I got frustrated and put my vote on him for like 5min.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 17:39 GMT
#4691
And Solstice is really stupid if he is the last banger and does not try to survive. It IS playing against his wincon. I am giving him a chance.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 17:43 GMT
#4696
If he is not a banger he won't barter anyways.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 17:45 GMT
#4697
On October 08 2013 02:09 s0Lstice wrote:
sorry for putting you through that Koshi, i had to do SOMETHING

<3

But this post supports he in fact is...
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 17:48 GMT
#4699
Actually Vayne, now that i look at it, why does Austin look better if Solstice is the last banger?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 17:49 GMT
#4702
Vayne don't be a cunt. It was not marv's fault. It was collectively town's fault.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 17:50 GMT
#4704
Also you could have said you went shopping groceries and i wouldn't have ever lynch you...
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 17:52 GMT
#4708
So Sol, how is it?
Deal or no deal? Your choise.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 17:53 GMT
#4710
On October 08 2013 02:52 VayneAuthority wrote:
and austin looks better if s0lstice is banger because I have a scumread on him for defending pandain and mentioning s0lstice so much when there are other lurkers. so if they arent a team of 3 together then it softens my scumread on austin.

Okay this is pretty bad reasoning because it does not make sense. It makes sense the other way around as scum will get town credit for lynching scum.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 17:56 GMT
#4716
On October 08 2013 02:54 s0Lstice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2013 02:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So Sol, how is it?
Deal or no deal? Your choise.


gimme a bit im still turning over possibilities.

what is the plan if I agree?

If we can figure out a better lynch (that is scum) for this phase you get to live and shoot scum during nights and every time you do so we do not lynch you.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 17:57 GMT
#4718
If we know your night actions we know how much KP the other team has tonight, and from tonight on.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 17:59 GMT
#4722
lol Austin. Your "push" on Solstice didn't mean shit because you were the sole vote on him and the lynch was already decided.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 18:00 GMT
#4724
On October 08 2013 02:59 s0Lstice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2013 02:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 08 2013 02:54 s0Lstice wrote:
On October 08 2013 02:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So Sol, how is it?
Deal or no deal? Your choise.


gimme a bit im still turning over possibilities.

what is the plan if I agree?

If we can figure out a better lynch (that is scum) for this phase you get to live and shoot scum during nights and every time you do so we do not lynch you.


in this scenario, other team is going to be forced to kill me right off the bat if i'm potentially throwing kp their way.

i'm trying to see if this actually leads to a chance to win for me.

Better chances than dying today.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 18:01 GMT
#4726
On October 08 2013 03:00 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2013 02:54 s0Lstice wrote:
On October 08 2013 02:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So Sol, how is it?
Deal or no deal? Your choise.


gimme a bit im still turning over possibilities.

what is the plan if I agree?

I'm sort of curious myself.
If solstice is a banger couldn't he theoretically lie and say he's not since our goal is inevitably to lower KP? Or am I not considering something?

If he says he is not a banger we lynch him. If he is not he is 100% our best chance to hit mafia, noone comes even close.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 18:02 GMT
#4727
On October 08 2013 03:00 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2013 02:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
lol Austin. Your "push" on Solstice didn't mean shit because you were the sole vote on him and the lynch was already decided.
It doesn't mean MUCH. 100% agree there.

But boy howdy it sure looks like I might have made posts on solstice earlier. It looks like we had interactions. Maybe someone interested in figuring out my alignment would look at them.

Yeah, i also thought SnB and Palmar were not in the same team. Oh boy how wrong was i.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 18:07 GMT
#4731
On October 08 2013 03:06 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2013 03:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 08 2013 03:00 austinmcc wrote:
On October 08 2013 02:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
lol Austin. Your "push" on Solstice didn't mean shit because you were the sole vote on him and the lynch was already decided.
It doesn't mean MUCH. 100% agree there.

But boy howdy it sure looks like I might have made posts on solstice earlier. It looks like we had interactions. Maybe someone interested in figuring out my alignment would look at them.

Yeah, i also thought SnB and Palmar were not in the same team. Oh boy how wrong was i.
Get fooled by mafia once, shame on mafia.

Get fooled by mafia once, respond by refusing to look at certain information that may be generally useful in determining alignments, shame on you.

Old saying.

Yup. They were on the same team. Doesn't make information worthless.

Of course, that's why i am not looking only into interactions between certain players. I am looking for their effort in pushing lynches and if the lynches make sense (like, how Palmar was definitely scum in this game).
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 18:07 GMT
#4733
On October 08 2013 03:06 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2013 03:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 08 2013 03:00 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 08 2013 02:54 s0Lstice wrote:
On October 08 2013 02:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So Sol, how is it?
Deal or no deal? Your choise.


gimme a bit im still turning over possibilities.

what is the plan if I agree?

I'm sort of curious myself.
If solstice is a banger couldn't he theoretically lie and say he's not since our goal is inevitably to lower KP? Or am I not considering something?

If he says he is not a banger we lynch him. If he is not he is 100% our best chance to hit mafia, noone comes even close.

Wat.
So now we don't care about reducing KP tonight?

No if the KP becomes town!KP + we get valuable info.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 18:08 GMT
#4736
Solstice your time is running out soon.
You need to make up your mind.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 18:09 GMT
#4737
On October 08 2013 03:08 s0Lstice wrote:
i dunno rayn this just doesnt feel right.

action means i'm fucking one faction.

inaction means im only fucking myself.

and to boot i dont really see a REAL path to victory by helping one side or the other.

think im gonna sit out.

So you are not even gonna try? Fine. I would have expected more from you. :/
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 18:11 GMT
#4740
well he is dumb if he doesn't try, but i can't make him..
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 18:12 GMT
#4741
Pandain what are your thoughts on what has happened during the last hour?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 18:13 GMT
#4743
Solstice, last chance, do you want to take the deal or not?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 18:17 GMT
#4750
On October 08 2013 03:15 s0Lstice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2013 03:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Solstice, last chance, do you want to take the deal or not?


No. I can't win. It's basically impossible so I'd rather sit out.

Well GG! I would have lynched you anyways. :D

Mr.BigPlays WaveofShadow, why did you think i was gonna let guaranteed mafia live regardless of what he says?
Scared of something? Same goes for Austin and to some extent Vayne.

Scum there?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 18:19 GMT
#4752
Mr.CC has to be town, because it would be incredibly stupid to payphone a partner and out one scum. In case Solstice is not the banger dude. In case he is, i gotta rethink this shit.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 18:21 GMT
#4754
On October 08 2013 03:19 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2013 03:14 austinmcc wrote:
On October 08 2013 03:13 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 08 2013 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
well he is dumb if he doesn't try, but i can't make him..

I've already explained why that isn't true and isn't fair.

(What was dumb imo was the payphone in the first place...)


!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What if FAKE PAYPHONE AND CC SCUM WITH SOLSTICE
Then we'll find out with flip

Not entirely because CC could still be baller if Solstice MCB
Sucks for CC he lynches scum and still goes under the microscope. Although i guess it's the same for you Austin.
lol these 2x scumteam games----you can be a town hero and people dont (and shouldn't) give a shit

WoS explain this?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 18:23 GMT
#4758
On October 08 2013 03:21 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2013 03:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 08 2013 03:15 s0Lstice wrote:
On October 08 2013 03:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Solstice, last chance, do you want to take the deal or not?


No. I can't win. It's basically impossible so I'd rather sit out.

Well GG! I would have lynched you anyways. :D

Mr.BigPlays WaveofShadow, why did you think i was gonna let guaranteed mafia live regardless of what he says?
Scared of something? Same goes for Austin and to some extent Vayne.

Scum there?
Don't care. Asked pandain why he was thinking about it because i DO care about his answer.

Plus, the only way to call someone is to explain there's no hope. Then nobody's gonna say anything weird or give themselves up

Why did you guys actually think i would not lynch Solstice? Why in the world would you think so?
Why the fuck would i do that as town? Why would anyone do that as town? We had a chance of getting info from him, you guys didn't even try. You know, you can lie in this game.... As town...
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 18:26 GMT
#4762
Because Pandain actually figured out what i was doing. Most likely. Because he is not dumb.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 18:28 GMT
#4765
Hey WoS, why did you not realize what i was doing?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 18:37 GMT
#4782
Okay so, what are you guys arguing about here?
I am now confirmed town. Why would i NOT try to get ALL THE INFO I POSSIBLY CAN from guaranteed scum? What's the harm? Why are you questioning my motives?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 18:38 GMT
#4783
Everyone who is town should have "agreed with me" to make Solstice feel comfortable and make him feel like he has higher chances of survival. Instead you shouted the possibly brilliant plan down for no reason.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 18:39 GMT
#4784
Sad that the confirmed townies are not here so i can't even use them as a comparsion in "what would townies do". Like are you guys just dumb or scum.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 18:40 GMT
#4786
On October 08 2013 03:39 s0Lstice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2013 03:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Everyone who is town should have "agreed with me" to make Solstice feel comfortable and make him feel like he has higher chances of survival. Instead you shouted the possibly brilliant plan down for no reason.


nope

I don't believe you because you are scum. :D
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 18:43 GMT
#4790
On October 08 2013 03:41 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2013 03:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Everyone who is town should have "agreed with me" to make Solstice feel comfortable and make him feel like he has higher chances of survival. Instead you shouted the possibly brilliant plan down for no reason.

Nah just being logical, Rayn.
Solstice isn't dumb and neither am I.

tbh WoS, that's not a reason to try. 90% of my "traps and shit" will not work. But if i succeed even in 1/100 it's worth it. You don't lose by making mistakes, you lose by not trying to do everything you can to kill scum.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 18:43 GMT
#4791
If i see an opportunity i use it. If it succeeds, cool. If it doesn't, bleh.. Then i try again.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 18:44 GMT
#4792
On October 08 2013 03:42 austinmcc wrote:
Hey WoS,

Do you think s0lstice is dumb?

Yeah i also thought Ace is not dumb in NWM....
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 18:45 GMT
#4794
Apparently you guys didn't even consider that for like 3 days after i died...
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 18:47 GMT
#4797
On October 08 2013 03:44 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2013 03:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 08 2013 03:41 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 08 2013 03:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Everyone who is town should have "agreed with me" to make Solstice feel comfortable and make him feel like he has higher chances of survival. Instead you shouted the possibly brilliant plan down for no reason.

Nah just being logical, Rayn.
Solstice isn't dumb and neither am I.

tbh WoS, that's not a reason to try. 90% of my "traps and shit" will not work. But if i succeed even in 1/100 it's worth it. You don't lose by making mistakes, you lose by not trying to do everything you can to kill scum.

True, which is why I didn't flat out say RAYN AMG NEVER LIE AS TOWN WTF because I've seen you make it work.
Doesn't mean
a) I caught on to you doing anything
b) Even had I caught on, I'd lie along with you.

I supported your attempt to try and get information out of Solstice, but i expressed myself in that I said I didn't think he had any reason to comply. Don't really see the problem.

That's bad WoS. When Sol effectively claimed scum, you should have thought "what are rayn's intentions? Okay, he is town, what is he trying to do? Why?" This is even more clear situation for other townies than it was in NWM (where i understand people fucked up -- or reacted in a way i was not expecting -- because of paranoia). There was no possible paranoia in this one. Because you guys can be sure i am town!
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 18:56 GMT
#4802
I am going to make a BlazingHand coaching post right now!

Whenever you guys play with me, for fucks sake think about why i say what i do. First of all, that's how you will find out my alignment. Second, when i am town and you realize what i am actually doing you get a certain townread on me and we can hold hands and shit and destroy scum.

In this case there was not a single scum!motivation for my actions because i am confirmed town. The only question is; "why would town!rayn do this?". Am i dumb? Well if you believe so, then your responses are acceptable (or if you guys are dumb). The problem is i do not think either of you -- WoS/Austin/Vayne -- are dumb. Another problem is you all very well know i do crazy stuff sometimes. The third problem is not each one of you even thought what would my town!motivation be, while it was pretty clear. That's why Pandain gets many many townie points for this, and you guys get many many scumpoints. CC gets AFK-when-shit-goes-on-points.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 18:57 GMT
#4803
On October 08 2013 03:56 VayneAuthority wrote:
i dont give a shit about your intentions because it doesn't line up with my morals.

so you do not want scum to "scumslip" either? lol dude...
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 19:00 GMT
#4807
On October 08 2013 03:57 Koshi wrote:
Please tell me why you ambulanced Hiro night 1

Koshi, if you read the last 2 hours -- and be honest -- can you see what i was trying to do?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 19:01 GMT
#4810
On October 08 2013 04:00 VayneAuthority wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2013 03:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 08 2013 03:56 VayneAuthority wrote:
i dont give a shit about your intentions because it doesn't line up with my morals.

so you do not want scum to "scumslip" either? lol dude...


what? there is no inconsistency here, I have never supported dirty/cheap play and never will. That's the end. I don't play to win at all costs.

If you call this play cheap/dirty you probably should not play mafia.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 19:02 GMT
#4813
On October 08 2013 04:00 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2013 03:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am going to make a BlazingHand coaching post right now!

Whenever you guys play with me, for fucks sake think about why i say what i do. First of all, that's how you will find out my alignment. Second, when i am town and you realize what i am actually doing you get a certain townread on me and we can hold hands and shit and destroy scum.

In this case there was not a single scum!motivation for my actions because i am confirmed town. The only question is; "why would town!rayn do this?". Am i dumb? Well if you believe so, then your responses are acceptable (or if you guys are dumb). The problem is i do not think either of you -- WoS/Austin/Vayne -- are dumb. Another problem is you all very well know i do crazy stuff sometimes. The third problem is not each one of you even thought what would my town!motivation be, while it was pretty clear. That's why Pandain gets many many townie points for this, and you guys get many many scumpoints. CC gets AFK-when-shit-goes-on-points.

Sorry Rayn, I'm not adjusting the way I play specifically to look out for if/when you start lying about shit and trying to determine whether I'm going to fall into a tarp or anyone else should. I haven't caught on yet and I probably never will even if I did try.

I just continue to assume, like most logical people, that town have no reason to lie about things, and that gets me through just fine.

Well if you are town, you should't do that. There will always be reasons for townies to lie.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 19:03 GMT
#4815
Actually townies have more reasons to lie than mafia, usually.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 19:04 GMT
#4817
On October 08 2013 04:02 Koshi wrote:
Sorry. 60 pages so 1200 posts were needed and after that people were reliefed they were right. Got to respect rayn, VA and pandain for seeing through the bullshit instantly.

There is a cop claim. Another dude claims after 2 phases (when he is outed if he is scum). That's it. Period.
Fuck that was hard.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 19:05 GMT
#4819
On October 08 2013 04:03 austinmcc wrote:
Postgame

Shut up, i am trying to figure out if you guys are scum or not. These kinda comments do not make you more town.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 19:05 GMT
#4821
On October 08 2013 04:04 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2013 04:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 08 2013 03:57 Koshi wrote:
Please tell me why you ambulanced Hiro night 1

Koshi, if you read the last 2 hours -- and be honest -- can you see what i was trying to do?

Ofc... Get scum who has more information spill it. Always smart. Should have offered him his life for N3 actions. Then lynch his ass.

I need VE's and Oats' opinions on this too.
And for fucks sake, do not lie. Not now.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 19:09 GMT
#4826
VisceraEyes and Oatsmaster

When you come back, read pages 233-238 before anything else and give your opinion on my actions during those pages before reading anything else!!!!
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 19:11 GMT
#4829
On October 08 2013 04:06 VayneAuthority wrote:
and this is why no one wants to play with rayn, when he has these moments of fucking full retard. makes me not want to play the game anymore by how annoying he is with this shit

I expect people to do things in a certain way if they are town. I expect them to do things in some other way if they are scum. You do not find scum if you buy every explanation one gives to you. I look for what makes sense to you and what doesn't. I am not sure you guys are scum, i am trying to figure it out. Is this the time when you go into the ad hom mode because you can't defend yourself any other way?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 19:14 GMT
#4834
On October 08 2013 04:12 VayneAuthority wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2013 04:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 08 2013 04:06 VayneAuthority wrote:
and this is why no one wants to play with rayn, when he has these moments of fucking full retard. makes me not want to play the game anymore by how annoying he is with this shit

I expect people to do things in a certain way if they are town. I expect them to do things in some other way if they are scum. You do not find scum if you buy every explanation one gives to you. I look for what makes sense to you and what doesn't. I am not sure you guys are scum, i am trying to figure it out. Is this the time when you go into the ad hom mode because you can't defend yourself any other way?


this is the part where I tell you are a dumbass for thinking that because I think you're a scummy shitbag of a player that resorts to cheap shit that it has something to do with my alignment, nothing pisses me off more then people that go after morals.

If you expect me to take your towniness at face value everytime you don't want to do something because of morals you are playing a wrong game. There is nothing morally wrong in trying to make people out their info to you regardless of their affiliation.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 19:21 GMT
#4842
On October 08 2013 04:16 VayneAuthority wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2013 04:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 08 2013 04:12 VayneAuthority wrote:
On October 08 2013 04:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 08 2013 04:06 VayneAuthority wrote:
and this is why no one wants to play with rayn, when he has these moments of fucking full retard. makes me not want to play the game anymore by how annoying he is with this shit

I expect people to do things in a certain way if they are town. I expect them to do things in some other way if they are scum. You do not find scum if you buy every explanation one gives to you. I look for what makes sense to you and what doesn't. I am not sure you guys are scum, i am trying to figure it out. Is this the time when you go into the ad hom mode because you can't defend yourself any other way?


this is the part where I tell you are a dumbass for thinking that because I think you're a scummy shitbag of a player that resorts to cheap shit that it has something to do with my alignment, nothing pisses me off more then people that go after morals.

If you expect me to take your towniness at face value everytime you don't want to do something because of morals you are playing a wrong game. There is nothing morally wrong in trying to make people out their info to you regardless of their affiliation.


Hey and that's your opinion. But I have a VERY STRONG one in the other direction and I play whatever the fuck I want, thank you.

There is plenty morally wrong in guaranteeing that you will help s0lstice then just taking info from him and killing him.

Okay, let's stop this right now. I have seen your/Austin's/WoS' opinion already.
I am not asking you anything regarding this. I am only asking VE/Oats opinion.

This discussion is taking us nowhere. Who do you think are the remaining scum and why?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 19:23 GMT
#4846
CheeseCake; Why have you not tried to interact with Solstice in your QT? Or have you?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 19:24 GMT
#4847
VisceraEyes and Oatsmaster

When you come back, read pages 233-238 before anything else and give your opinion on my actions during those pages before reading anything else!!!!
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 19:29 GMT
#4854
On October 08 2013 04:25 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2013 04:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 08 2013 04:19 austinmcc wrote:
On October 08 2013 04:16 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 08 2013 04:14 austinmcc wrote:
Postgame/PMs/never

Yup I'm getting there.
So Austin!

How's the weather where you are?
Sunny and 70. Not a shitstorm in the sky.

I, for one, am happy that if s0lstice is mafia, we lynched mafia. I am, however, very sad because I thought I might have a brother in role idiocy. But apparently no.

Role idiocy?
No comprende.

oh you mean weird bluerole usage?
What is it you did when you were talking about that?
My first game as DT was my only ban from the forum, because I compared role PMs with another DT-ish role.

As a watcher I saw Sandroba kill marv in a game, didn't tell town, gave a huge townread on sandroba and tried to get him to give out more reads.

The only game I've ever been mislynched, and I think one of only two times I've been lynched, I was a vet. I held onto that info til the last second cuz I thought I could swing the lynch.

When I was Phoenix Wright, I ended up confirming a godfather as town, although they figured that out later.

TWICE in PTPish games, I've rolled scum and only used my powers in a pro-town manner.

Roles and I just don't seem to agree.

There is nothing wrong in using your role "wrong". I claimed vet in Desert because i was sure there were not 2 vets and debears had "my role and had to be scum". There was a 3p vet and that fucked up the game for the town (not 100%, but still, i made myself useless). I thought i found scum.

There is however a difference in using your role "wrong" and "completely wrong in a way that makes no sense", like Solstice did here.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 19:31 GMT
#4855
Everyone fucks up as blue at some time. Like Koshi/hiro confirming VE. That was totally unnecessary as VE was a townread for like everyone.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 19:34 GMT
#4859
Austin, scum also fuck up. I know this from a personal experience when i was too confident in Catch 22 that Coag will not shoot me because everyone else has a townread on me in the game. I was fucking wrong. That's why i do this kinda stuff as town. I try to make scum fuck up. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, sometimes townies fuck up.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 19:44 GMT
#4861
Actually i fuck up in every other of my scumgames. rofl. :D
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 19:45 GMT
#4862
It goes like:
Survived
Lynched D1
Survived
Killed N1
Survived
Endgamed N1
Survived
Lynched D1.

:D
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 19:48 GMT
#4865
Let's see the flip first. Why were you so eager to give Sol a chance?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 19:51 GMT
#4871
On October 08 2013 04:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2013 04:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
VisceraEyes and Oatsmaster

When you come back, read pages 233-238 before anything else and give your opinion on my actions during those pages before reading anything else!!!!

What am I looking for here? What do you want my comment on?

my actions towards Solstice. What do you think of them.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 19:52 GMT
#4872
On October 08 2013 04:49 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2013 04:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
CheeseCake; Why have you not tried to interact with Solstice in your QT? Or have you?


We don't have a QT, we are allowed to PM. Would you like me to paraphrase the rest of our PM log? It's not long. It contains one line I find interesting, and that's about it.

Why would you not paraphrase that if it's interesting?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 19:53 GMT
#4875
On October 08 2013 04:49 Pandain wrote:
Me?

Yes you.

CC go!
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 19:54 GMT
#4877
On October 08 2013 04:53 VisceraEyes wrote:
I think if s0Lstice were less intelligent it would have been a pretty clever way to try and get more information - as it stands though s0Lstice is clearly not dumb and it wasn't ever going to really work. Not to mention that no matter what he says or the circumstances, because he's not on our team we have to take everything he says with a grain of salt.

Why are you asking? Like, do you just want affirmation that it wasn't totally retarded or something?

I want confirmed townies opinion compared to WoS/Austin/Vayne who called it out in the first place aka. didn't even try.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 19:55 GMT
#4879
On October 08 2013 04:53 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2013 04:52 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On October 08 2013 04:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 08 2013 04:49 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On October 08 2013 04:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
CheeseCake; Why have you not tried to interact with Solstice in your QT? Or have you?


We don't have a QT, we are allowed to PM. Would you like me to paraphrase the rest of our PM log? It's not long. It contains one line I find interesting, and that's about it.

Why would you not paraphrase that if it's interesting?


It happened about 2 minutes ago.


I asked why he payphoned me.

s0lstice said something like this: "Abilities don't always work out the way you expect them to". I'm not sure what it means, or if it's complete WIFOM he's throwing me.

haha lol. I know what this means most likely.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 19:56 GMT
#4881
But tbh, why did you out this as town?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 19:57 GMT
#4883
On October 08 2013 04:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2013 04:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 08 2013 04:53 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On October 08 2013 04:52 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On October 08 2013 04:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 08 2013 04:49 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On October 08 2013 04:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
CheeseCake; Why have you not tried to interact with Solstice in your QT? Or have you?


We don't have a QT, we are allowed to PM. Would you like me to paraphrase the rest of our PM log? It's not long. It contains one line I find interesting, and that's about it.

Why would you not paraphrase that if it's interesting?


It happened about 2 minutes ago.


I asked why he payphoned me.

s0lstice said something like this: "Abilities don't always work out the way you expect them to". I'm not sure what it means, or if it's complete WIFOM he's throwing me.

haha lol. I know what this means most likely.


Please share

... seriously dude?
Why does noone in this game think...?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 19:59 GMT
#4886
Okay it's outed already. ffs CC. :E
Koshi who did you bus?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 20:00 GMT
#4891
On October 08 2013 04:59 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2013 04:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay it's outed already. ffs CC. :E
Koshi who did you bus?

It is day?

Yeah sol/CC outed you bussed last night. Who did you bus? Yourself and CC?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 20:07 GMT
#4898
Interesting. Very interesting-
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 20:29 GMT
#4925
lo. So bad CC.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 20:33 GMT
#4929
On October 08 2013 05:32 Koshi wrote:
Yeah maybe. Kinda strange though.

I still like the idea you (CC) are scum with s0lstice and the real banger contacted you guys.

That makes no sense.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 07 2013 20:41 GMT
#4935
On October 08 2013 05:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's just you and me tonight Rayn...we're both dead tomorrow, and I don't trust Austin/Wave for tonight. You and I have to figure out who the last Banger is.

WoS/Pandain with a small chance of VA (i'd say, from top of my head). I'll look at it before the deadline and give my opinion. Now i gtg.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 08 2013 01:30 GMT
#5056
Koshi, if you are a real baller, shoot WoS. At best, he is your best ally in this game. At worst, he'll turn up scum or scum sac KP to protect him. I honestly think that's your best shot and me and VE are gonna die regardless of anything.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 08 2013 01:53 GMT
#5072
So WoS, you want Koshi to be alive as conf town instead of you being alive as conf town right?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 08 2013 02:02 GMT
#5087
VE, now we win this game. Tomorrow. I'll do it.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 08 2013 02:32 GMT
#5099
CR post it right now. Do it!
copy+ paste = go! It does not matter what it says.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 08 2013 04:52 GMT
#5143
Okay so Austin has gotta be scum then.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 08 2013 04:54 GMT
#5147
On October 08 2013 13:53 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2013 13:45 Pandain wrote:
So this basically cements my theory about WoS/Vayne.



Where are you getting Austin scum?

I think it's preposterous to say that WoS and Vayne are more town then Austin.

No but they are. They are more town than you are too.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 08 2013 04:58 GMT
#5154
Who can give one good reason why Mr.CC is scum?
Because i can't..
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 08 2013 05:13 GMT
#5174
If there is a mafia team who killed both the cop and the other mafia guy on one night, would they get +0,5 kp from both kills (resulting in 2 KP next night)? In case this is true and their KP would be 2 on the next night, could they have 4 KP in total for the next night by using the drive-by ability?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 08 2013 05:15 GMT
#5179
On October 08 2013 14:14 VayneAuthority wrote:
rayn that doesnt matter bro, remember they used payphone last night. so that is not even possible at this point

Not necessarily, if CC is scum.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 08 2013 05:18 GMT
#5185
Okay so it's possible that the other scumteam has 3 KP tonight if i understood correctly.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 08 2013 05:23 GMT
#5194
On October 08 2013 14:22 Pandain wrote:
No, you didn't answer my question.

When it became evident FT was to become modkilled, votes could either go onto Palmar or Vayne. You voted Vayne.

However you did not support that vote or argue for others to vote for Vayne. In essence you had a useless vote and useless voice on someone you were heavily sure was scum.

Explain that please.

So did you.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 08 2013 05:28 GMT
#5197
So Vayne, do you, WoS or anyone who played in Golden Sun and in Noire remember the difference in how town!Pandain pushes lynches compared to scum!Pandain?

Because i remember him not pushing any lynch in Noire, only arguing against lynches and having his vote on "right places". In Golden Sun i remember HAVING to HAVE TO LYNCH MY 99% townread because some stubborn people would not believe others..

Hmm, which does this game look like?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 08 2013 05:34 GMT
#5205
Pandain scum Vayne town.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 08 2013 05:35 GMT
#5207
Final decision.
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raynpelikoneet
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Finland43268 Posts
October 08 2013 05:37 GMT
#5210
Koshi if bussing bypasses roleblock you absolutely need to bus either you or VE with scum.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 08 2013 05:52 GMT
#5234
Funny because i remember many pushes in this game and none of them have come from Austin.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 08 2013 05:59 GMT
#5240
What exactly has Austin pushed?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 08 2013 06:01 GMT
#5242
PANDAIN NEVER TRIED TO GET PALMAR LYNCHED: AND EVEN IF HE HAD DONE SO IT MEANS NOTHING BECAUSE OPPOSING TEAMS!
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 08 2013 06:05 GMT
#5243
And then there is this other point. When SnB flipped NOBOBY would expect Palmar to be his scumbuddy. So, for the opposing scumteam Palmar was likely town.
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Finland43268 Posts
October 08 2013 06:13 GMT
#5246
On October 08 2013 15:07 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2013 14:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What exactly has Austin pushed?
rayn. I will save anything else for postgame or postflip, but here. Go and read my filter.

I pushed Palmar. If you look D3, there are OODLES of posts between Pandain and I. We agree FT is not scum. He wants to lynch VA, I want to lynch Palmar. Look through D3 and watch me push Palmar over FT, and push him pretty hard. I'm trying to get votes off FT way before the modkill nonsense came up, because I was on Palmar that whoooooole day and trying to drum up support FOR palmar, as well as trying to push people OFF FT.

Go read N3 and the start of D4. I'm on Chairman Ray. He or WoS is the last MCB, as I see the world, and I start the day off with a CR vote and pushing CR. The cop stuff came around and turned the day into that, but: (1) I was pushing CR scum and CR last MCB during the night; (2) I was pushing CR scum, CR last MCB during the early day; and (3) it seems pretty clear that I was actually pushing to lynch CR over a cop claimer. While (3) wasn't getting traction, I was pushing it, and town would be in a better spot tonight if we HAD lynched CR (again, guaranteed 100% no MCB KP).

You know who I pushed D1? NOBODY CUZ I WASN'T IN THE GAME YET
You know who I pushed D2? NOT REALLY ANYONE CUZ I WAS CATCHING UP, but I DID make clear posts showing why I thought ShiaoPi and FT were town.

If you think I haven't pushed ShiaoPi town, FT town, Palmar scum, oats town, CR scum this game, you're flat wrong and you haven't been reading. It's POSSIBLE that one reason you don't think I've pushed stuff is that I wasn't here at all for D1, and wasn't here for about half of D2.

I can't be responsible for not pushing reads during time I wasn't even in the game yet. However, at EVERY CYCLE since I've been caught up, I've both pushed correct lynches and pushed AGAINST mislynches.

Seriously. Just read my filter. Read my posts within the game context. Either, both.

I can pull off probably 20 quotes from my/Grack's filter that say exactly same things about Palmar than your case. Also, as i just said, after SnB's flip, if you are scum, Palmar was probably town for you.

Then, on D4. If you are town the idea of lynching CR over Solstice was absolutely horrible. If you are mafia your team has probably concluded that he is the last scum and you have a possibility to save Solstice / look good by "defending" him and pushing another scum. win-win.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 08 2013 06:23 GMT
#5251
On October 05 2013 00:43 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2013 00:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
EBWOP: Austin, who's the other soft-claimed coop?
I have one in particular in mind. One of the dudes on the player list.

austin who was this and why?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 08 2013 06:25 GMT
#5253
On October 08 2013 15:19 austinmcc wrote:
ALSO IF YOU CAN PULL 20 POSTS FROM YOUR FILTER AND GRACK'S FILTER THAT SAY THE SAME THING I WAS SAYING THEN WHAT SHOULD THAT TELL YOU1?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Like. You're town. Grack was town. IF I WAS PUSHING THINGS IN THE SAME WAY WHAT IS THE LIKELY CONCLUSION ABOUT MY ALIGNMEEEEEEEEEEEEEENT

You had Palmar as town before SnB flipped. After that you started pushing him. Why only then? Like, his play was shit the whole D1 and D2. As shitty as N2 and D3. Why magically after SnB's flip you started pushing him?

As i see this little thing called "he is probably town so i don't get killed by another scumteam next night and can safely push him"
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 08 2013 06:31 GMT
#5257
So do you remember it correctly or not?
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Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 08 2013 06:33 GMT
#5258
On October 08 2013 15:31 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2013 15:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 08 2013 15:19 austinmcc wrote:
ALSO IF YOU CAN PULL 20 POSTS FROM YOUR FILTER AND GRACK'S FILTER THAT SAY THE SAME THING I WAS SAYING THEN WHAT SHOULD THAT TELL YOU1?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Like. You're town. Grack was town. IF I WAS PUSHING THINGS IN THE SAME WAY WHAT IS THE LIKELY CONCLUSION ABOUT MY ALIGNMEEEEEEEEEEEEEENT

You had Palmar as town before SnB flipped. After that you started pushing him. Why only then? Like, his play was shit the whole D1 and D2. As shitty as N2 and D3. Why magically after SnB's flip you started pushing him?

As i see this little thing called "he is probably town so i don't get killed by another scumteam next night and can safely push him"
Cuz he continued to do nothing, and he started off D3 by arguing about the ShiaoPi/FT vote swap bit.

If you read why I'm scummy on him, the amount of effort he puts into posting about something that matters as little as why he swapped his vote at the end of D2 really highlights the amount of effort he's NOT putting into scumhunting. That's what made Palmar scummy for me --> willing to focus on stuff that doesn't matter, not willing to focus on stuff that does.

I can't factor that into a read until he actually makes those posts.

But the fact is Palmar put zero effort into scumhunting on D1 and D2. D1 no effort Palmar should be enough to lynch.
Immediately.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 08 2013 06:34 GMT
#5260
The only thing Palmar put effort in D1 and D2 was calling me and Grackaroni bad. And me scum.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 08 2013 06:41 GMT
#5264
What i care about is this:
Scum don't want to call out other scum at the start of the game, even if they figure them out. Because the other team might kill you and you then effectively shit on each others bed.

My problem is this:
When SnB was killed the other scumteam HAS to assume Palmar is town, because the bus was so incredible. Then, magically then, you come up with this Palmar stuff, while on N2 you have him as fucking town. On D4, when there is a Solstice life on the line, you magically come up with Chairman Ray who is ABSOLUTELY MAFIA! Out of fucking nowhere. OUT OF FUCKING NOWHERE!

That, sir, is a big problem in your play to me.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 08 2013 06:59 GMT
#5268
Okay i am too tired. I am going to look at this closer tomorrow. Or actually today but i need to sleep for couple of hours..
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 08 2013 15:07 GMT
#5284
Let's keep this simple again.

Austin did want to lynch outside the cops on D4. The plan was terrible. It was absolutely terrible. Read it again if you do not believe me. Terribad. Hell this dude even had his vote on Koshi. He did not know if Koshi or Solstice is mafia, he gives possible scumteams fo cop!Koshi, does not give them for cop!Solstice "because there were so much possible permutations". But still, despite those SO MANY permutations Chairman Ray has to be mafia. Has to be mafia over Solstice whose claim made absolutely zero sense.

That's it, i don't give a fuck if Austin has lynched the other scumteam. It doesn't mean shit. What does mean shit is that he did not want to lynch Solstice and tried to push the lynch elsewhere. I don't give a fuck if the other guy was mafia, because it was a guy who was not in Solstice's team.

It makes no sense, the plan was terrible. Austin is mafia.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 08 2013 15:16 GMT
#5287
The plan was bad.

The plan would have ensured both of Koshi & Solstice alive on D5. As Koshi would have been roleblocked / Solstice vested.
Suddenly we have 1 confirmed town (VE) instead of 4 (me/VE/Koshi/Oats). Nobody can be trusted.

Austin said we "remove KP by making Sol/Koshi vest or something". Right. We remove KP now too, unless mafia wants Koshi to confirm more townies / shoot scum.

Same outcome, except that we have 4 conf-townies instead of 1.

Bad plan, bad.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 08 2013 15:22 GMT
#5289
No, the outcome is same. You need to buy items to block Koshi now.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 08 2013 15:24 GMT
#5291
This is so fucking simple. On top of that Austin says he IS SURE Chariman Ray is scum.

This is unbelieveable from a guy who can't tell which one of Koshi/Solstice is fakeclaiming.

If you can't even tell from the claims Solstice is scum and Koshi is town you fucking can't possible tell from 10 people FOR SURE who is the last MBC. Unless you know who is not (your team), and who is town (confirmed) and have an educated guess on like ~3-4 people.

That's so fucking simple. Nothing else makes sense.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 08 2013 15:28 GMT
#5292
On October 09 2013 00:22 austinmcc wrote:
Essentially, if we lynch CR and scum uses an item on koshi/solstice, there would be 2-3 LESS KP tonight. At worst, we save 2-3 townies AND have solstice/koshi tomorrow.

If they don't use an item, it saves 1-2 KP AND solstice/koshi resolves overnight.

Explain to me, how the fuck would there be 2-3 KP less?
ChairmanRay can now shoot. That's 1 KP less. Who is to say he is not dumb will not shoot into your team?

How do Ballers have now more KP than they would have if Solstice was alive?

Explain this.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 08 2013 15:30 GMT
#5293
If Koshi and Solstice are both alive, they have to use item to block Koshi or prevent shot.
If Solstice is dead, why do they suddenly now NOT have to block Koshi?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 08 2013 15:30 GMT
#5294
That's so fucking retarded. Austin is mafia.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 08 2013 15:40 GMT
#5299
On October 09 2013 00:38 VisceraEyes wrote:
Rayn it makes sense. Look at it from a scum perspective

If both cops are alive, then NEXT day, they BOTH have to still be alive in order for the lie not to be blown.

In order to ensure that, they have to either Vest s0L or RB Koshi. And they'd have to spend KP to do it.

We are close to lylo. Don't fucking blow this now VE.
What Austin did makes zero sense. His explanation it makes zero sense. He has to be mafia.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 08 2013 15:40 GMT
#5300
On October 09 2013 00:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2013 00:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If Koshi and Solstice are both alive, they have to use item to block Koshi or prevent shot.
If Solstice is dead, why do they suddenly now NOT have to block Koshi?

Because they can just SHOOT him rayn! He had to be alive as long as s0L was alive (because the scums want you to believe that s0L is the cop and Koshi mafia!) so now instead of blocking him, they can just shoot him because town KNOWS he's the cop now.

IF THEY SHOOT HIM AND KOSHI SHOOTS SCUM IT'S 1-1 TRADE! If they do not want Koshi to kill mafia, they have to roleblock him.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 08 2013 15:42 GMT
#5302
Because Koshi can shoot. REGARDLESS OF IF Solstice is mafia, mafia NEEDS TO ROLEBLOCK KOSHI to prevent him shooting scum!!!

If Solstice is alive IT'S BENEFICIAL TO MAFIA TO NOT KILL KOSHI! Now they HAVE to besically kill him.

Fuck VE, why is this so hard.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 08 2013 15:44 GMT
#5304
Look VE, if Koshi is not confirmed there is the fucking WIFOMWIFOM rayn/Oats/Koshi scum.

Now people know WE ARE ABSOLUTELY 100% town! NOBODY NEEDS TO EVEN CONSIDER FOR A SECOND WE ARE SCUM!
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 08 2013 15:44 GMT
#5305
The suspect pool has been reduced by ~40% efefctively at the start of N4.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 08 2013 15:45 GMT
#5306
FOR EVERY FUCKING PLAYER!
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 08 2013 15:48 GMT
#5309
On October 09 2013 00:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
I get that, but understand this:

The vast majority of town was on Koshi's side. VAST MAJORITY. Whether we killed s0L or not, that's a fact. If both s0L and Koshi were alive, it doesn't matter how much WIFOM there is about rayn/Oats/Koshi - MOST of town was going to be on our side.

Also factor in rayn: s0L CLAIMED SCUM IN THE THREAD! HE WANTED TO DIE!! WHY DO YOU THINK THAT IS MAN? BECAUSE HE DIDN'T WANT US LYNCHING THE BANGER INSTEAD!!

No VE, solstice was the main lynch candidate and the thread sentiment was going towards lynching him. I don't care why he claimed scum, as i do not know what scum thought, it's wifom.

What i do know is that lynching him was the absolute best possible solution and he was clearly scum and Austin somehow "couldn't see it" and wanted to lynch someone else based on a sihtty plan which does not even hold water by his explanation.

Koshi shoot Austin.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 08 2013 15:49 GMT
#5310
Fuck the dude even had his vote on Koshi at some point! FFS!
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 08 2013 15:54 GMT
#5316
Koshi yes he was trying to lynch CR.

But if he can't even fucking tell which on of you / Solstice is scum from your claims he definitely can't tell for 100% CR is the last Banger. That's so unbelieveable, at least considering nearly everyone had a TOWN READ on CR!
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 08 2013 15:56 GMT
#5318
Koshi, does bussing bypass roleblocking?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 08 2013 15:56 GMT
#5321
omfg why is this town not listening.afsj'oasfhölhoasf
THEN WHO THE FUCK IS SCUM BECAUSE EVERYONE ELSE WAS MAKING MORE OR LESS SENSE LAST DAY?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 08 2013 15:57 GMT
#5322
On October 09 2013 00:56 VisceraEyes wrote:
You're misinterpreting his intentions. I don't think he couldn't tell which was the fake-claim. I don't think that's the case at all. I think he would have just rather lynched the last Banger. That was my intention. I could tell between the real and the fake claims, but I wanted to lynch the last Banger instead.

REALLY VE REALLY? AUTIN HAD HIS VOTE ON KSOHI BEFORE SOLSTICE!!!!
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 08 2013 15:58 GMT
#5323
On October 07 2013 02:38 austinmcc wrote:
##unvote
##vote: Koshi


I am NOT certain that we should be lynching into these two, rather than having Koshi precision shot solstice tonight. If we could know that cop stuff wasn't going to dominaate the discussion forever, I like that idea. But this is in front of us and I don't think everyone will be able to get past it if we don't lynch into them today.


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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 08 2013 16:01 GMT
#5327
On October 09 2013 00:59 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2013 00:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
omfg why is this town not listening.afsj'oasfhölhoasf
THEN WHO THE FUCK IS SCUM BECAUSE EVERYONE ELSE WAS MAKING MORE OR LESS SENSE LAST DAY?

I don't know. But austin his idea wasn't the worst in the world if he was legitimatly doubting my claim. The funny thing is that ausin mentions s0lstice around 10-15 times in his filter. Always one-liners that say he might lynch s0lstice. And then after the claim he goes all "AMAGAD I THINK s0lstice is totes cop guis."

When it was a forced cc for cop after failed payphone...

Austin made zero sense.
WaveofShadow was making 1000x more sense than Austin.
VA never EVER doubted you over Solstice.
Pandain had some wishy-washy comments.
Mr.CC wanted to lynch Solstice, entertained the idea of not lynching into cops.


That's what people did.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 08 2013 16:02 GMT
#5329
On October 09 2013 01:00 Koshi wrote:
But then there is WoS who posted around 200 messages doubting my copclaim and still didn't figure it out 40 hours later... So yeah.

yOU MISREAD EVERY SINGLE OF WOS' POSTS! He never took his vote off you, even if he doubted you he immediately went back to Occam's Razor and "lynch Solstice".

You took like 10 of his posts out of context and said "WoS bad, WoS doubt me".
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 08 2013 16:05 GMT
#5332
On October 09 2013 01:02 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2013 00:19 VisceraEyes wrote:
On September 27 2013 20:10 Koshi wrote:
Hiro pro interesting guy. Do like. Need to follow up though. Otherwise will lynch.



Like.....

Maybe we should just lynch Koshi and #YOLO

Actually I did rayn, get your facts straight.

I don't give a fuck what you did because you are town.

I give a fuck about the fact that Austin can't tell which one of Koshi / Sol is mafia, but he can somehow tell CR is 100% scum!!

It makes no fucking sense. + the fact that his "removing KP and being in a better position" is 100% bullshit.

That's it.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 08 2013 16:09 GMT
#5334
Koshi, VisceraEyes and Oatsmaster. Read the fucking D4 again. Not just filters. Read it please.
WoS and other people who doubt the claims question Solstice and Koshi. Austin is just sitting there providing analysis. He is not trying to figure anything out, he just tells people "idk, but hey, let's do this".
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 08 2013 16:10 GMT
#5335
On October 09 2013 01:07 VisceraEyes wrote:
Rayn you're tunneled. Austin may be mafia, but not for his plan. We'll figure it out tomorrow because he'll certainly be alive regardless.

I am tunneled because i know i am fucking right! I actually reread the thread for D4 because that was the most important phase in this game!
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 08 2013 16:11 GMT
#5337
On October 09 2013 01:10 VayneAuthority wrote:
need I remind people that s0lstice was a scum read for austin for a while but believes he could be cop when he claims, even after he just answered rayn that the other possible cop was me?

but yea VE just keep trollin' bro its amusing

rofl right..
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 08 2013 16:58 GMT
#5341
Pandain. FT was your top scumread on D2. He didn't basically post anything during N2 - D3. Why was he suddenly "definitely town"?

If there is anything to be gathered from BH's filter that is not accusing confirmed townies (by Koshi or by death -- lol BlazingHand), the only person he accuses of being scum is WoS. WoS why do you think BlazingHand was hit on N1 when drive-by is 100x better option?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 08 2013 16:59 GMT
#5343
Koshi, VE and Oats, in case i die.
Austin and Pandain scum.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 08 2013 17:00 GMT
#5344
Read Pandain's D2 - D3. FT is his top scumead, suddenly on D3 T becomes a town read for no reason and Palmar who was town at the start of D3 becomes scummy. Makes zero sense.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 08 2013 17:01 GMT
#5345
+ D1 and D2 Pandain did absolutely nothing! Absolutely nothing, besides the case on yamato.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 08 2013 17:04 GMT
#5346
These are like.. ALL of his reads.
D1: yamato scum.
N1: oh shit yamato was town.. hmm.. need to come up with something new
D2: FT scum
N2: FT scum, some random townreads, some random scumreads with no explanation
D3: Vayne scum, Palmar town. Suddenly in the middle of the day FT town, Palmar might be scum, but Vayne scum - doesn't push him.

After that he has just been going with the thread sentiment, as there was the Koshi/Sol thingy.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 08 2013 17:15 GMT
#5350
Pandain's push is:

"FT and Palmar are bad lynches, join my Vayne lynch, or at least lynch Solstice.
Vayne does not play to his town or scum meta from some games. He is scum.
Vayne has 8 pages of filter and is not saying much in his filter."
*guess who had 14 pages of filter at that point and hadn't said at least more than Vayne*
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 08 2013 17:28 GMT
#5352
No they can roleblock and shoot Koshi tonight.
If bussing bypasses roleblock Koshi should bus at all cost.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 08 2013 19:21 GMT
#5362
Again, my townread on Pandain stems mostly mostly mostly from his D2. Really trying to push people off FT to no effect. And even when he HAS no effect, he's continuing to try and force it to happen. He's expending energy, posts, time, effort, into something that anyone outside the situation can see is having no impact on the thread. Scum almost never devote time/posts/energy into doing something that does nothing. If they want to do nothing, they do nothing. They don't post a crapton just to have no effect.

This is entirely incorrect meta-read on Pandain.
This is entirely incorrect meta-read on me aswell if i am scum.
This is incorrect for certain people, especially for Pandain.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 08 2013 19:22 GMT
#5364
In fact, scum WANT to devote time on something that does nothing in case their lives are not in line.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 08 2013 19:23 GMT
#5366
So the Pandain read makes zero sense as his team's lives were most probably not on line..
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 08 2013 19:25 GMT
#5369
On October 09 2013 04:22 VayneAuthority wrote:
the problem with players like VE and austin if they are town is they think effort = town and that's the end of it. I put wayyyy more effort in as scum then town because you have to. sigh that thinking.

I know, this is retarded. If i do not have 20 pages of filter D1 i get called scum for it. Funny isn't it. :D
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 08 2013 19:27 GMT
#5373
On October 09 2013 04:24 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2013 04:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
In fact, scum WANT to devote time on something that does nothing in case their lives are not in line.
Wanting to devote time to something that does nothing is fine, but I view that as falling into things like Ace or palmar arguing with you.

Pandain trying to shift the lynch involves a lot of something, a lot of FT defending and a lot of VA attacking, but for no...no payoff. It's too much work to get nothing out of, and he continues long after it's dead.

If I'm wrong on Pandain, okeedoke. But a heck of a lot of people were wrong on CR, and never bothered to go read his games.

Read Noire and GS and you will see how wrong you are in Pandain's meta. When Pandain is town and wants something to happen he makes it happen, like in GS. I am probably the best person to say this because our playstyle is quite similar. He does what i did no longer than ~5 games ago. If i concluded someone is scum i pushed the lynch through. That's it, i didn't give a fuck who the other players in the game were or what they did think. That's what Pandain does as town. Look at Noire, Pandain "pushes things", how many things go through. Absolutely zero.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 08 2013 19:33 GMT
#5378
Austin you are very eager to look into other people's past games. Why do you refuse to look into Pandain's last games and refuse to see the obvious?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 08 2013 20:03 GMT
#5412
Good job Koshi <3
LOVE YOU GOOD COP!

##Vote: Chairman Ray
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 08 2013 20:04 GMT
#5415
On October 09 2013 05:01 VayneAuthority wrote:
playing by the book to his scum meta and austin refused to see it, lynch this scrubs ass

Lynch the conf scum first!
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 08 2013 20:18 GMT
#5437
Given that on D4-N4 not one but TWO scum from the same team decided to claim scum, i can't get past this:


I nominate Austinmcc for the following in Best Role Claim:
Austinmcc had not been playing particularly stellar. He had coasted by until the endgame, but his team had already shafted him completely by D2 by conspicuously not hammering him D1 (and the fact that he was in a position to be hammered D1 says something about his play so far). Anyway, crazy stuff was happening and austin significantly picked up his play during most of D2.

Being a PTP, pretty much everybody was dead by the time D3 rolled around and it was a 3-1-1 situation with the 3P already claimed, so just 1 more scum to find. Then this happened:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2013 08:44 austinmcc wrote:
Seriously though, either no-lynch or lynch kita (sorry kita), and then ... I probably lose. Unless crossfire blew all that crap you said existed. Would you like to tell me what powers of his are remaining?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19064936

Austin claims scum. Terrible right? Except it was a stroke of genius. Kita was a known dayvig who had played anti-town all game. By claiming scum, austin could now freely post parts of the scumQT incriminating Kita, who had been masoned with another scum. He could also argue about how nightkill roulette with Xfire's amazing powers were a better bet than being stuck with an unstoppable dayvig the next day. It worked, Kita was lynched, and austin won the nightkill roulette!

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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 08 2013 20:20 GMT
#5439
I don't see scumteam of Vayne/CR/Solstice out 2/3 of their members in 2 phases.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 08 2013 20:22 GMT
#5442
I do not see Mr.CC/Solstice/CR do that kinda powerplay aswell.
That doesn't leave many choises.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 08 2013 20:26 GMT
#5446
On October 09 2013 05:25 austinmcc wrote:
rayn.

Does a team of CR/austinmcc/ANYONE make sense to you?

Team Solstice/CR/anyone does not make sense to me.
That means there is some clever mindfuck games going on -- Which you and WoS are most capable of.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 08 2013 20:29 GMT
#5452
Vayne, in Les Mis?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 08 2013 20:31 GMT
#5457
Okay so as this is gonna be my 8000th post i take this trademark picture of the one called debears and put it here:

[image loading]

This must be the truth.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 08 2013 20:37 GMT
#5464
Vayne CR is insane. In D2 CR makes a case against Vayne and he instantly SMASHES it to the ground!
Impossible.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 08 2013 20:40 GMT
#5468
Suddenly Austin's D4 "let's not lynch into the cops and kill this last MCB who is btw 100% CR" looks even much more terribad than it did before..
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 08 2013 22:02 GMT
#5489
There... is .... absolutely .... no ... way ... VayneAuthority .... is .... mafia !!!!

If you guys are too dumb or scum to see it i can't help you.
Which one of the non-confirmed townies (+Vayne) can give me reasons why?
Now is your time to shine and gain some town credit.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 08 2013 22:03 GMT
#5490
No CR. You don't fakeclaim cop or any other role as town. You definitely do not fakeclaim scum as town. You die.
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raynpelikoneet
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October 08 2013 22:05 GMT
#5491
I do not even read what you wrote because if you fakeclaimed scum it's beyond stupid.
You very well know what is wise and what is not as you have played in the clusterfuck Noire.
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October 08 2013 22:08 GMT
#5492
Austin maybe you can come up with some other scumread we could lynch instead of CR?
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October 08 2013 22:11 GMT
#5495
Okay CharimanRay. Who is the last scum alive?
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October 08 2013 23:02 GMT
#5499
We lynch CR because wew have a mislynch. Don't even think about anything else. This is another fucking ploy to derail the discussion.
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October 08 2013 23:16 GMT
#5502
On October 09 2013 08:06 VisceraEyes wrote:
Rayn if you must say something, explain to me why Vayne CANNOT be scum. The idea that you're willing to give unconfirmed town townie points for affirming your confirmation bias is fucking bad. Explain to me, now, why VA is 100% town to you.

First of all, CR is scum. Second, Vayne is not scum with him. That is impossible given the interactions + Vaynes stance on Pandain.

It is beneficial for the 3-man scumteam to sacrifice people over saving Pandain. It gives scum more KP in total, and once the last banger sees the other team is helping them they help each other until town is not in such a good position we are. It doesn't matter if you have 3 people alive, it's more beneficial to have one guy hiding and the other (1-man) scumteam alive for double KP. It also creates a lot of wifom due to night actions.

This went to shit when Koshi shot Pandain. There is no other scumteam anymore. When CR gets lynched we are 5-1 instead of 5-1-1 (which is a good spot for scum -- if well hidden). As scum, you do not want to remove KP, even if it from a different team, especially as you have in 2 last phases helped out the other scumteam to survive (remember, me and Vayne were gunning hard for Pandain lynch RIGHT after Noir ended and never let go of that -- and never wouldn't). If Solstice would not have fakeclaimed on D4 we would have lynched Pandain. Trust me, we would have done it. That would have been incredibly bad spot for remaining scum. 7-3, cop alive, you have 1 KP, 4/7 of the town is confirmed, there are vests. Imagine it?

ChairmanRay is scum, Vayne is town. That's a fucking fact. Because Vayne was gunning hard for Pandain lynch, and that would not have been good play if Vayne is scum with Sol/CR. Also VE, trust me, the other team had figured out Pandain is scum.
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raynpelikoneet
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October 08 2013 23:23 GMT
#5505
And that is why Austin is scum with CR.
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October 08 2013 23:25 GMT
#5506
It does not work anymore because Pandain died. Scum are in a fucking bad spot. Especially how the discussion has gone at the start of tody. As soon as i saw Pandain being the last banger i knew Vayne is town. There is no other explanation.

If you gun hard for other mafia team's people, they might kill you. You want to hold hands and stay silent and not disturb them because it helps you more (see Palmar for example) as you kill townies together, and when the time is right you win the game with one big blow.
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October 08 2013 23:29 GMT
#5508
So you think it is more likely that Chariman Ray, the guy who plays his third game of mafia in teamliquid, decided the best action for the town in N4 is that he claims scum? Seriously? Like, what if Koshi shot him because scum? What? Good play right there?
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October 08 2013 23:44 GMT
#5514
This is fucking ridiculous and VE if you let this happen you get the worst play 2013 award.
Let a scum who claimed scum live!
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raynpelikoneet
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October 08 2013 23:46 GMT
#5515
We have a mislynch, the guy claimed scum. That's it.
Now we are again not discussing who is the last scum.. We are discussing if the confirmed scum is scum?? For fucks sake.
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October 08 2013 23:50 GMT
#5518
On October 09 2013 08:46 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2013 07:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I do not even read what you wrote because if you fakeclaimed scum it's beyond stupid.
You very well know what is wise and what is not as you have played in the clusterfuck Noire.

He's just taking a page out of YOUR book, Rayn.
Do you see what kind of precedent you set?

I may have fakeclaimed, but i do not claim fucking scum!
If you claim scum it affects people's reads. Also nobody will ever trust you again in this game. That's all you get for claiming scum as town. There is no way anyone should ever claim scum as town "to not get shot" or "to get someone else shot". This is fucking bullshit.
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October 08 2013 23:58 GMT
#5523
On October 09 2013 08:53 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2013 08:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 09 2013 08:46 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 09 2013 07:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I do not even read what you wrote because if you fakeclaimed scum it's beyond stupid.
You very well know what is wise and what is not as you have played in the clusterfuck Noire.

He's just taking a page out of YOUR book, Rayn.
Do you see what kind of precedent you set?

I may have fakeclaimed, but i do not claim fucking scum!
If you claim scum it affects people's reads. Also nobody will ever trust you again in this game. That's all you get for claiming scum as town. There is no way anyone should ever claim scum as town "to not get shot" or "to get someone else shot". This is fucking bullshit.

I don't really see a difference.
You don't think the more you do it, that people aren't going to be able to trust anything YOU say because you're setting up some retarded trap?
This is the perfect example of why you don't fucking lie as town.

Holy shit WoS, are you scum? Seriously. You put fakeclaiming and lying as town in the same category of claiming scum, when there are zero advantages to do so as town.

Dude says he has a big post of reads. "Post it". Takes an hour, apparently he typed the post up there. Pressure on. Cracks under pressure. What's next. HE DECIDES THAT HIS BEST CHANCE AS TOWN TO HELP THE TOWN IS TO CLAIM SCUM! ROFLSKATES!
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raynpelikoneet
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October 09 2013 00:10 GMT
#5528
It is a bit different WoS. It is different. If you fakeclaim to save someone getting lynched or to lynch someone you "know" (by this i mean -- you are really sure) is town/scum. That is different than claiming MAFIA during the night phase, when it does not help. Fuck, CR did not even have Pandain as a scumread and then his "reasoning" is "otherwise Koshi could have shot someone else than Pandain, like me". Guess what, no.
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raynpelikoneet
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October 09 2013 00:21 GMT
#5530
On October 09 2013 09:18 WaveofShadow wrote:
Lying is lying Rayn. Pointless to get a bigger argument about it right now because it's not entirely relevant. People know what my stance on policy-lynchable stuff is.

Anyway, the situation is kind of hilarious because I remember thinking that CR could come back and do exactly this around the time I cam back with the Daypost but I forgot. Here's a question. Which scum member would be sufficiently 'I don't give a fuck' enough to let CR do this?

Essentially they either would have had to plan this from the start, or CR scumclaimed without consulting his buddy and now the buddy is freaking out saying 'NO. THIS IS WHAT YOU WILL SAY/DO NOW. Gonna try and clean up your mess.'

This is not correct.
If i was scum with Solstice and CR i would have done the exact same thing on D4 ->. This is really good scumplay, really creative. I think Austin.

I explained it to VE earlier on if you read the post.
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October 09 2013 00:35 GMT
#5533
On October 09 2013 09:28 VisceraEyes wrote:
I like how you said that two members of a three-man scumteam claiming scum is good play, even as you sniff it out and lynch them in rapid succession.

Rayn your mind is ever a mystery.

It would be. Except that it's not anymore when Koshi was a baller and shot Pandain.
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raynpelikoneet
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October 09 2013 01:10 GMT
#5537
Good WaveofShadow. Good. You get townie points.
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October 09 2013 01:13 GMT
#5540
On October 09 2013 10:12 WaveofShadow wrote:
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On October 09 2013 10:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Good WaveofShadow. Good. You get townie points.

I don't need your charity.
I AM A SELF MADE MAN

<3
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October 09 2013 01:14 GMT
#5541
On October 09 2013 10:12 Chairman Ray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2013 10:02 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 09 2013 09:58 Chairman Ray wrote:
On October 09 2013 09:06 VisceraEyes wrote:
On October 09 2013 08:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 09 2013 08:53 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 09 2013 08:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 09 2013 08:46 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 09 2013 07:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I do not even read what you wrote because if you fakeclaimed scum it's beyond stupid.
You very well know what is wise and what is not as you have played in the clusterfuck Noire.

He's just taking a page out of YOUR book, Rayn.
Do you see what kind of precedent you set?

I may have fakeclaimed, but i do not claim fucking scum!
If you claim scum it affects people's reads. Also nobody will ever trust you again in this game. That's all you get for claiming scum as town. There is no way anyone should ever claim scum as town "to not get shot" or "to get someone else shot". This is fucking bullshit.

I don't really see a difference.
You don't think the more you do it, that people aren't going to be able to trust anything YOU say because you're setting up some retarded trap?
This is the perfect example of why you don't fucking lie as town.

Holy shit WoS, are you scum? Seriously. You put fakeclaiming and lying as town in the same category of claiming scum, when there are zero advantages to do so as town.

Dude says he has a big post of reads. "Post it". Takes an hour, apparently he typed the post up there. Pressure on. Cracks under pressure. What's next. HE DECIDES THAT HIS BEST CHANCE AS TOWN TO HELP THE TOWN IS TO CLAIM SCUM! ROFLSKATES!

Yeah in this light it seems ridiculous. If he were town planning to fake-claim, why not do so BEFORE posting the big ass post? Why not be like "Fuck okay this is too much you guys got me good job" and left it at that until today? Why go to the trouble of posting the reads, interact a bit, THEN go through with his fake-claim plan?

##Vote: ChairmanRay


I fake claimed as a response to getting pressured by mafia so I could prevent myself from being shot by cop. I wouldn't need to if I didn't get the pressure. I had it planned to do it for a while now, but if I do it when there's no reason to, it just looks really stupid and I doubt anyone would fall for it.

So here's a question.
Why exactly would you not want to get shot by the cop?


We had 10 people left. Mafia has up to 3KP. If 3 town dies, and I get shot by cop. That leaves 3-2-1. If town then gets lynched, town loses. If you lynch the one banger, then town loses at night since it goes down to 2-2-0 after the kill. If you lynch the other scum team, then it goes to 3-1-1, and after 2 KP, it goes to 1-1-1, and then town loses. I had to do something drastic to make sure that this doesn't happen.

The problem here is townies do not die to cop shots..
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October 09 2013 01:21 GMT
#5546
wut?
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October 09 2013 01:22 GMT
#5547
On October 09 2013 10:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
So yeah...CC probably best chance for last scum atm.
Rayn, thoughts?

Dunno, def not you or Vayne i'd say.
We have a mislynch, two left... dun dun.. :D
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October 09 2013 01:24 GMT
#5549
CR you should go talk to Austin in your scum QT and see if he can come up with some other plan once again. :p
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October 09 2013 01:24 GMT
#5550
On October 09 2013 10:24 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Hihi

Haven't read anything since my last post right after the lynch. Checked who died. Anything cool happen?

lol, everything cool happened.
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raynpelikoneet
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October 09 2013 01:36 GMT
#5558
Yeah, possible. So no shennies.
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October 09 2013 01:46 GMT
#5564
Mr.CC do you think Austin is town?
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October 09 2013 02:54 GMT
#5601
Mr. Cheesecake what kind of music do you listen to?
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raynpelikoneet
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October 09 2013 03:01 GMT
#5606
On October 09 2013 11:57 VisceraEyes wrote:
Punk music is the devil's music. Hang, scum.

Nono you got something wrong there now VE. We have a problem. :p
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October 09 2013 13:43 GMT
#5608
So i guess nothing's gonna happen until deadline, correct guys?
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October 09 2013 13:43 GMT
#5609
Can we have a vote for 24h days?
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October 09 2013 14:27 GMT
#5611
On October 09 2013 10:24 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Hihi

Haven't read anything since my last post right after the lynch. Checked who died. Anything cool happen?

The timing of this post is kinda interesting. What do you guys think?
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October 09 2013 14:30 GMT
#5614
On October 09 2013 23:29 VisceraEyes wrote:
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On October 09 2013 23:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 09 2013 10:24 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Hihi

Haven't read anything since my last post right after the lynch. Checked who died. Anything cool happen?

The timing of this post is kinda interesting. What do you guys think?

I think it's interesting that he says he checked who died AND he asked if anything cool happened. Like he's going to great lengths to say "Hey I have definitely NOT been following along AT ALL. FOR SURE.

Yeah. You are right.
Maybe we lynch Cheesecake before Austin. Punk music and everything-
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October 09 2013 14:37 GMT
#5615
I mean. It's totally unnecessary to come in and say "hey guize, anything interesting going on, i just looked at the flips, havn't been here since 24 hours".

Just after CR posts this:
On October 09 2013 10:21 Chairman Ray wrote:
Yeah, I'm mafia. I definitely lost this. My play really sucked. Getting quite an earful in QT lol.

GL finding last mafia. ^^

Like, is Cheesecake trying to intentionally incriminate himself by reverse-psychology as town or wtf?
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October 09 2013 14:39 GMT
#5616
And where the fuck is Austin?
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October 09 2013 15:15 GMT
#5617
Mr. Cheesecake's case on ChairmanRay:

On October 06 2013 00:19 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
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On September 28 2013 18:01 Chairman Ray wrote:
Oh, only 11 hours left. I definitely won't be here tomorrow for endgame, so I'm gonna stay up late tonight to try to catch up.

I've lightly skimmed through posts so far, and I take it that Koshi is winning votes because of RNG? Filtering through his posts, it's pretty clear that he's aggravated by this decision by town. I'm gonna put myself in his shoes for a sec. If I was town, and everyone was gonna RNG lynch me, then I would just be like wtf... I definitely wouldn't be angry since it's not due to my own lack of skill or other people's misreads, but sheer luck instead. Once I flip town, then the townies will just feel really stupid for doing it and I'd be okay with that. Now what if I was in Koshi's shoes and I was mafia? I would probably be a bit aggravated to push town off me, and if I flip red, then people will probably celebrate at my expense. But the thing is that I am not Koshi, so I don't share his feelings or thought process, so this read might be off. To people that have played with Koshi before, would you expect this kind of behavior from town or mafia Koshi? I definitely think that by his behavior, he is more likely mafia.

Another thing that's consistent with Koshi being mafia is that there are others trying to save him. If Koshi were town, then it could be possible that there is no effort to save him, light effort to save him, or heavy effort to save him. Anything is possible. If Koshi were mafia, I would bet that his mafia buddies wouldn't give up on him so easily, especially on D1. Since the RNG thing is so stupid, then his mafia buddies could easily make a case for it and not seem scummy in the process. So if Koshi were mafia, I would bet that there is some heavy effort to save him. Right now, we do see some heavy effort, in the form of the yamato train. Although this could happen if Koshi was either town or mafia, I suspect it is more likely if he were mafia.

Because of these reasons, I think there's a good chance that Koshi is actually scum, and we got really lucky with the RNG.

Just for now
##Vote: Koshi

I will be up for a bit more reading through posts. I would like to think about it a bit more before leaving for the night with a read that came from RNG.


Problem with the bolded: Invalidates his entire paragraph because 'he is not Koshi'. Preparing for a townflip (or, scum that isn't his team flip)

Next post:

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On September 29 2013 01:44 Chairman Ray wrote:
##unvote
##Vote: yamato77


wtf?

This made me LOL:
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On October 04 2013 12:35 Chairman Ray wrote:
Hey I'm back now, and I did a quick read through the thread. Definitely impressed by all the reads and information people have been giving. You guys are definitely carrying me here .

Anyways, my personal opinion, I think it's best to go after people that have a possibility to be on a scumteam with SnB. If we can get rid of one scumteam, then the KP goes down. Reading through the filters, I think the strongest disconnect with SnB is probably Palmer. For this reason, even though Palmer might be a good lynch candidate, I wouldn't vote him myself just because I want to get rid of SnB's scumteam first.

After a quick analysis, I don't think that there's much of a chance that VA and FT are on the same scumteam, and Palmer and FT are on the same scumteam either. There's a weak disconnect between VA and palmer, but that can go either way. So using the four people - VA, SnB, FT, and Palm, I will try to see if I can map out their alliance.

Scenario A
Scumteam: SnB, VA
FT and Palmer cannot occupy third spot, and they are also disconnected, so one must be other scumteam, one must be town

Scenario B
Scumteam: SnB, FT
VA and Palmer cannot occupy third spot. They can both be other scumteam, or one of the is scum, one is town.

Among the three people VA, FT, and Palmer, here's the information that we will get from lynching them:
VA - If he flips scum with SnB, then either FT or Palmer must be town. If he flips opposite scum, then FT is likely scum, or else both FT and Palmer are town. If he flips town, then FT and Palmer can be scum on opposite teams, or one is scum, one is town.
FT - If he flips scum with SnB, then out of VA and palmer, one or both is on the other scumteam. If he flips other scumteam, then, Palmer is town, and VA is can either be town or scum with SnB, more likely scum with SnB. If he flips town, then we don't know much about Palmer and VA.
Palmer - I don't want to lynch him, but if he flips other scumteam, then it doesn't say much about VA and FT, and if he flips town, it doesn't say much either.

There's also solstice, which some people are pushing to vote. I think the only disconnect that can even be drawn with him is with Palmer, but it's not a very strong one. I also doubt he's gonna be lynched today, so there isn't much of a point trying to piece him in. I will do that tomorrow.

Right now, I think I'm gonna put my vote on FT since there isn't that big a benefit lynching VA over him, and plus, I wanna save Palmer.


##Vote: FirmTofu


Scum with Palmsy?? LOL! He votes Vayne / FT multiple times but never Palmar in any case ever in life.

CR's posts are really constructed and fluent... kind of like town -should- be playing but don't.. kind of reeks of 'i wanna look townie'....

Have a few reservations, but def not a townread anymore.

He quotes three posts that give him scum feelings on CR.

Problem 1:
+ Show Spoiler +
On September 30 2013 10:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I'm townreading CR for this post:

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On September 29 2013 06:52 Chairman Ray wrote:
Oh shit! I didn't get lynched on day 1 this time. I think it's pretty clear that I'm mafia. This will never happen if I'm town.


Chairman Ray has been the victim of D1 mislynches in his first two games. If he's mafia this game, I'd believe that he'd be even more cautious of the noose. I don't know of many players who, on their first scum game, would make a joke like this. This is a joke post that is null if a player like myself posted it, but for a noob like CR I'm leaning townie.

Notice the timestamps. Before this CC has not read CR in any way. Two of his posts that now make CR scum have been posted before CC puts out his town read on CR. How are they now scummy? They were not before.

Problem 2:
The last quote of CR. It's been 36 hours since that post and Mr.CC has not mentioned CR in any way in his filter in that time frame. He has wanted to lynch solstice, prefers Oats lynch, Pandain is ok. Not a single mention of CR.


This "case" looks like it's fabricated, and all in all is really weak.

Leaning on bus.
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October 09 2013 15:29 GMT
#5619
And btw i am refusing to lynch WoS or Vayne.

Vayne has been straight up townie with his interactions with scum. No retarded "let's make me look better"-busses with cases on scumbuddies (which has been the case here). No trying to save anyone or any other shennies. Just straight up "these people are scum, that's it, now die". Looks like normal town!Vayne, not too tryhard.

WoS has been genuinely interested in these Solstice/CR situations. Has been asking the right questions and has a clear thought process. If he is scum he deserves to win, because there are couple of things that are (in that case) incredibly next-level scumplay. (1) His interactions with Solstice on D4. (2) CR claims scum. When the plan goes shit, CR claims fakeclaiming shennies as town. WoS tricks CR into claiming scum again. If that is the plan for scum!WoS and CR, oh my god, i salute WoS!

So yeah, lynch CC, then Austin. CC before Austin because if Austin is town he has played a really good game and i don't want to mislynch him for good play unless he is my last pick for mafia.
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October 09 2013 15:35 GMT
#5621
Oh WoS, then you don't get the trick credit. I was waiting someone of the non-confirmed's to ask that. :D
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October 09 2013 15:38 GMT
#5624
On October 10 2013 00:36 VayneAuthority wrote:
idk its tough. I wouldn't say austin played a good game by any stretch. He looks scummy as fuck in the way he talks about/interacts with the lurkers, especially CR and s0lstice who is the teammate we are looking for. He blatantly refused to see why pandain was scum. There is a lot of things that don't add up for him. Tunneling me and refusing to see 100% scum doesn't exactly make me go, oh yea dudes tOwN!

It does not matter Vayne. We can lynch both CC and Austin.
You are gonna be in LYLO with WoS/Austin (if CC is in fact town). WoS just said he'll lynch Austin. WoS thinks you are town.

No worries.
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October 09 2013 15:41 GMT
#5627
Actually fuck no. If scum have 2 KP tonight we do not have a mislynch. hmmzz..
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October 09 2013 15:44 GMT
#5628
Wait i really need to think about this now.
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October 09 2013 15:48 GMT
#5630
WoS and VA do you guys have your vests?
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October 09 2013 15:49 GMT
#5631
Well what the hell, Austin and CC too?
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October 09 2013 15:51 GMT
#5632
Because if every townie has their vest besides VE, there is not gonna be 2 NK's. :D
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October 09 2013 15:58 GMT
#5635
On October 10 2013 00:55 VayneAuthority wrote:
both scum teams were pushing me lolZ

rofl that's correct. :D
I will not let you get lynched when you are town.

*inb4 you endgame me again*
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October 09 2013 16:00 GMT
#5636
On September 28 2013 22:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On September 28 2013 22:44 Koshi wrote:
On September 28 2013 22:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 28 2013 22:37 Koshi wrote:
You are a the Joker. I am Batman.

Good cop bad cop, remember. Bros.

Who am I?

Good cop.

This is probably the most hilarious post i have ever made in a mafia game, knowing what has happened since..
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October 09 2013 16:06 GMT
#5638
I dunno Vayne, why did you say "CR did not hold his shot"?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 09 2013 16:09 GMT
#5640
tbh i do not think you would make that kinda slip as scum as you usually like to analyze the night kills as town. Would be easier to analyze them as scum and not say stupid stuff. :p
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 09 2013 16:10 GMT
#5641
What is your opinion, who shot who during nights Vayne?
Do you think scum have 2 KP the following night or not?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 09 2013 16:21 GMT
#5643
So if Pandain used drive-by on N3, wouldn't the 2 kills from N4 be Banger kills?
And therefore the other team would have 2 KP (as drive-by'ing on N4).
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 09 2013 16:31 GMT
#5645
I actually think both of the kills are from Pandain. If Koshi bussed he would have prolly bussed himself with Austin (as i told him to, before the very end of night phase). Therefore hitting Koshi is safe for Pandain (not for the other team if Austin is scum). Oats was a safe kill too for Pandain, actually i am pretty sure Pandain hit Oats. Because you don't want the kills to overlap, and VE had no vest left, Pandain would know if the other team has 1 or 2 KP. They would hit VE -> me most likely.

I was actually trying to mindfuck Koshi into bussing me (or shooting scum). Therefore, 2 KP next night does not matter. :D
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 09 2013 16:34 GMT
#5647
yeah i actually didn't vest on N3 or N4.
I thought both teams would drive-by N3.
And i thought VE (as he had no vest) and Koshi were more likely targets on N4.

So if all townies have their vests besides VE, scum can't kill 2 people even if they have 2 KP.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 09 2013 16:39 GMT
#5649
Actually, WoS, CC and Austin.
The two of you who are town do not tell if you have vests or not. Let's the scum guess. :D
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 09 2013 16:42 GMT
#5651
On October 10 2013 01:41 VayneAuthority wrote:
ok dude so lets see

Blazinghand kill ---> bangers

hiro kill ----> bangers

grack/snb kills ---> ballers

hiro had snb/panda on his shit list, I think this makes the most sense. time to see why snb/grack died

I think the Pandain <--> BH fixation makes BH being killed by them.
grack was all over Palmar --> bangers too.

Makes sense?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 09 2013 16:43 GMT
#5652
I think SnB was probably a failed bluesnipe.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 09 2013 16:48 GMT
#5655
On October 10 2013 01:46 VayneAuthority wrote:
so who is moer likely to do kills like this, austin or cheesecake?

That is a good question. I am a bit torn because the night actions and Ballers' play points towards Austin.
But if i analyze Austin/CC individual play Austin looks less scummy.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 09 2013 16:49 GMT
#5656
Vayne:
Did Austin or CC call you scum in Aperture?
Did CC call you scum in Noire?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 09 2013 16:55 GMT
#5658
Do you remember Austin and NWM?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 09 2013 16:59 GMT
#5661
Oh dat game and Ace. My fault for not convincing you guys and totally misreading Austin's reaction.. :/

Hmm, I am kinda wondering why CR flipped his read on Austin upside down. Reverse-psychology?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 09 2013 17:15 GMT
#5664
On October 10 2013 02:12 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Is there any argument for why I'm scum besides conspiracy theory? I'm way more active as mafia. Could I post my PMs with s0lstice and get modkilled? Lol #noire

If I flip this game, remember to think twice about Austin. He looks pretty town, I think scum is between Vayne / WoS despite Rayn saying he won't lynch either of them.

Could you make a decent case on WoS/Vayne, and could you tell why you think Austin is town?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 09 2013 17:16 GMT
#5665
Also could you answer me about what i wrote on you before?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 09 2013 17:23 GMT
#5670
CheeseCake, when you make a case these are the things i especially want you to contribute to:
(1) Solstice payphoning you. How does the scum guys actions on D4 make sense regarding that happening?
(2) N4, and CR claiming scum, and the scum guys actions regarding that.
(3) D5, CR retracting from the scumclaim when seeing Pandain flip and then claiming scum again. The scum guys actions regarding that.

(4) How does WoS/Vayne's actions make sense from scum pov in those situations, and why? I have been trying to consider all possibilities and i do not see it. I just can't see it.

(5) Why does Austin not fit into scum!profile considering what has happened D4 onwards?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 09 2013 17:23 GMT
#5671
On October 10 2013 02:19 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
If I had the time, I'd make cases. My problem lies with vayne/wos buddying up, I think one of them is scum that needs to have a friend in this time of need. When I made posts about CR being possible scum, WoS jumped all over me and told me they were bad. He also tried to discredit me the entire time when s0l was up for lynch. I'd lynch him first. Vayne I'm not so sure on. I haven't seen a game of his where he didn't troll as town, and this game he's active and stuff. It's weird.

Austin is probably town because of the way he handled the s0l lynch. Like, every other person and their mother just voted s0l and fucked off. Even CR, mafia. I'm more inclined to think mafia just sat with their vote on s0l rather than make huge posts considering if Koshi was mafia or not.

So how is this different from you/Austin buddying up now?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 09 2013 17:25 GMT
#5673
The post i just quoted is really bad, because Solstice/CR WERE busses. They were bussed by scum. WoS didn't bus them, not in scummy way. His action seem legit D4 ->.

I don't understand what you are trying to say because Solstice and CR lynches [i]were designed to be a bus![/b]
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 09 2013 17:27 GMT
#5674
Austin want's to lynch VA..
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 09 2013 17:31 GMT
#5676
On October 10 2013 02:28 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Why the fuck does CR claim scum? It makes no sense from any perspective. I think he's just terrible.

But he did. You should, as town, at least try to figure out why.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 09 2013 17:35 GMT
#5679
On October 10 2013 02:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
CheeseCake, when you make a case these are the things i especially want you to contribute to:
(1) Solstice payphoning you. How does the scum guys actions on D4 make sense regarding that happening?
(2) N4, and CR claiming scum, and the scum guys actions regarding that.
(3) D5, CR retracting from the scumclaim when seeing Pandain flip and then claiming scum again. The scum guys actions regarding that.

(4) How does WoS/Vayne's actions make sense from scum pov in those situations, and why? I have been trying to consider all possibilities and i do not see it. I just can't see it.

(5) Why does Austin not fit into scum!profile considering what has happened D4 onwards?

This is where this game boils down to CC.
If you are town, please, do try. I don't want to mislynch again because someone doesn't try to play the game.

I can give you the guidelines into what to look for. You need to do the work in case i am missing something. Right now you are not making much sense.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 09 2013 17:50 GMT
#5681
Anyone except VisceraEyes, this is what i want you to do on N5, or at last on D6;
Wo is the last scum and why, considering these things:

(1) Solstice payphoning CC. How does the scum actions on D4 make sense regarding that happening?
(2) N4, and CR claiming scum, and the scum actions regarding that.
(3) D5, CR retracting from the scumclaim when seeing Pandain flip and then claiming scum again. The scum guys actions regarding that.

(4) It is clear that D4 onwards scum were bussing and bussing hard. Who is the last scum and why do their actions from D4 onwards make most sense from scum!pov?


VE: One of us is gonna die the next night. You, or if scum have 2 KP they might double stack me. Look closely into those answers, consider what i have said, and if it does make sense when you cross-reference that into other people's answers. If someone does not answer this post, lynch.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 09 2013 18:09 GMT
#5685
If someone claims scum there is a reason for it. We have now 2 scum claimed scum. There is a reason for it. Someone from you four has acted "according to plan", there is a plan.

I want your opinion on who is it and why.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 09 2013 18:17 GMT
#5688
On October 10 2013 02:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Anyone except VisceraEyes, this is what i want you to do on N5, or at last on D6;
Wo is the last scum and why, considering these things:

(1) Solstice payphoning CC. How does the scum actions on D4 make sense regarding that happening?
(2) N4, and CR claiming scum, and the scum actions regarding that.
(3) D5, CR retracting from the scumclaim when seeing Pandain flip and then claiming scum again. The scum guys actions regarding that.

(4) It is clear that D4 onwards scum were bussing and bussing hard. Who is the last scum and why do their actions from D4 onwards make most sense from scum!pov?


VE: One of us is gonna die the next night. You, or if scum have 2 KP they might double stack me. Look closely into those answers, consider what i have said, and if it does make sense when you cross-reference that into other people's answers. If someone does not answer this post, lynch.

Actually guys, i need to tell VE something important regarding this before the night ends, and there is a possibility that i die, so post your answers before Night ends.

If you think some of these point-of-analysis is not important include the reasoning for it into your analysis.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 09 2013 18:33 GMT
#5691
Austin FYI none of you guys have pushed any of Solstice/CR/Pandain before N3 end (i mean really pushed -- i don't count some crappy votes or "cases" that were shit), besides Vayne labeling Pandain as scum as soon as Noire ended & Palmar flipped.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 09 2013 18:51 GMT
#5694
On October 10 2013 03:08 austinmcc wrote:
One question for me is whether s0lstice was legitimately trying to get Koshi lynched early after his claim. IF he's actually trying to push a Koshi-lynch, like really thinks he can do this, then he's gotta be making legitimate points.

Basically, he has a couple actual reads which we can't entirely trust, but also more situationally-oriented posts like this:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2013 02:50 s0Lstice wrote:
On October 07 2013 02:39 Koshi wrote:
On October 07 2013 02:34 s0Lstice wrote:
On October 07 2013 02:29 Koshi wrote:
The only thing I dont get is why s0lstice ever thought this would work. Like cc is town now or the other scumteam are honest and respectful mafia players. This means the pool of possible scummers get really small. I am almost feeling WoS&Austin same scumteam but that is really crazy.

Like you need 6 votes on me s0lstice. How was that ever going to work unless you had the entirr other scumteam working with you. Like why not try and yet cc lynched... It makes me think you.put all eggs in CC basket and then went full funzies for your last day. But then again, you would get lynched after me. So is this not against your wincon??? You dont win when I am lynched. You just make the other scumteam win...

So yeah. You play vs own wincon or.scumteams are teamed up atm.

Probably last...



I like when scumbags make my argument for me. There's a reason it's hard to find the scum motivation for this.

Just humor me and tell me why you do this as scum. As completely illogical as it is. You are last banger and you try to lynch the real cop. How is this going to help your wincon? You agree there is no way?


There wouldn't be much motivation for me to do it as the last banger. There is no scenario where it isn't suicide basically that I can see off-hand. That would mean if I am scum, it's gotta be the 3-man team. Even there, like I wasn't in a terrible spot. People suspected me but I don't think I was in any real danger. It doesn't even depend on how much control scum think they have on the game. In the end, if I am lying, I'm dead anyway so it's a one-for-one trade. So either scum feels fucked and they decide to do a bogus cop claim to....what end exactly? A TON would still have to go right for them to have a path to win. The cop would have to get lynched (unlikely), then the other team would need to cooperate (I think? need to look at numbers again) and they would need to miss vests. Or scum feels good and they decide to do an inefficient 1 for 1 trade despite feeling in control?

He's scum. He's three man scum. He KNOWS he'll flip eventually and be outed. But is he trying to make sense with this post, be honest, and maybe get Koshi lynched? Or is the mindfuckery already beginning.

IF this reads legitimate to you, it implicates CC. Why would 3 man do this, why would they make the 1 for 1 trade if they feel in control? They wouldn't so there has to be another benefit. The benefit to VA/WoS/CC/me that came out of solstice's thing was that CC looked a little better for outing solstice.

If the mindfuck has already begun, can't trust it anyway.

The question is do you think if it's legitmate or not? And why? I have already given my analysis of the situation and tbh you look the worst given this Solstice thing because of your "do not lynch into the cops plan". We now know it in fact was a bus. Which kinda bus it was and why? Did scum want Solstice lynched, CC gain town credit from it because of the payphone? If so, why? Did CC need town credit? I want you to tell me this, not ask questions.

I have given scenarios that make sense to me, and WoS & Vayne do not fit into those scenarios. On D5 i have given my analysis on CR and why he claimed scum, and it fits into my analysis from D4. Why am i wrong? What am i missing? I know i am right on the fact that it was a plan by the scum team, and the plan was to keep Pandain alive for the extra KP. You can't deny that, or if you will, tell me why? Why would scum out themselves when there are at least one confirmed townie + 1 unconfirmed person who will push Pandain lynch on D4? What gives? How do scum benefit from outing themselves? Not only once but twice.

What's the point of CR retracting from his scumclaim on D5? Pandain flipped, that's the obvious reason. If you disagree with this, why? And why would he claim scum again later on? What's the point of not fighting?

I have answers, but i can't say i am 100% sure. I know one of you has the answers because one of you is scum. I want to see what you make of the situation because at this poinst there is going to be 6 different analysis and only one of them is from scum. I want to analyze the scenarios to have a better overall view of how different people engage these situations and why.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 09 2013 18:58 GMT
#5695
I mean, i know how all of you guys approached this. Now i want the thought process behind your actions, given that the situation is what it is. How have things changed in light of new events?

I could understand each of WoS/Vayne/CC thought process on D4. On D5 i can't understand CC either, and you Austin look a bit better. I am 90% sure one of Austin/CC is scum. I do not know which one of you it is. That's why i am trying to understand. I also want WoS/Vayne to help the town to make it 100% sure they are town (or make it 10% -> 100% they are scum).

Town has lost the past games because they got sloppy. Do not get fucking sloppy now.



I have read all of your filters from start to finish. I can't find anything before N3 that makes anyone scum. People interact with scumbuddies or do not interact with them. I can't tell anything from those actions, given that this is a multi-scumteam game. That's why i think D4 -> is important. Of course if you find something and disagree, point out why i am wrong.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 09 2013 19:04 GMT
#5698
Another thing i would like to have answered is this:
BlazingHand was hit N1. I was pretty surprised as only people (besides now confirmed town) he called scum was WoS. Why was Blazinghand hit? He wanted me dead. Noone used that against me from that point on while they could have. Not even Palmar. Could this incriminate WoS and if so, why? Why has noone brought this up at any point in this game?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 09 2013 19:08 GMT
#5701
On October 10 2013 04:02 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2013 03:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 10 2013 03:08 austinmcc wrote:
One question for me is whether s0lstice was legitimately trying to get Koshi lynched early after his claim. IF he's actually trying to push a Koshi-lynch, like really thinks he can do this, then he's gotta be making legitimate points.

Basically, he has a couple actual reads which we can't entirely trust, but also more situationally-oriented posts like this:
On October 07 2013 02:50 s0Lstice wrote:
On October 07 2013 02:39 Koshi wrote:
On October 07 2013 02:34 s0Lstice wrote:
On October 07 2013 02:29 Koshi wrote:
The only thing I dont get is why s0lstice ever thought this would work. Like cc is town now or the other scumteam are honest and respectful mafia players. This means the pool of possible scummers get really small. I am almost feeling WoS&Austin same scumteam but that is really crazy.

Like you need 6 votes on me s0lstice. How was that ever going to work unless you had the entirr other scumteam working with you. Like why not try and yet cc lynched... It makes me think you.put all eggs in CC basket and then went full funzies for your last day. But then again, you would get lynched after me. So is this not against your wincon??? You dont win when I am lynched. You just make the other scumteam win...

So yeah. You play vs own wincon or.scumteams are teamed up atm.

Probably last...



I like when scumbags make my argument for me. There's a reason it's hard to find the scum motivation for this.

Just humor me and tell me why you do this as scum. As completely illogical as it is. You are last banger and you try to lynch the real cop. How is this going to help your wincon? You agree there is no way?


There wouldn't be much motivation for me to do it as the last banger. There is no scenario where it isn't suicide basically that I can see off-hand. That would mean if I am scum, it's gotta be the 3-man team. Even there, like I wasn't in a terrible spot. People suspected me but I don't think I was in any real danger. It doesn't even depend on how much control scum think they have on the game. In the end, if I am lying, I'm dead anyway so it's a one-for-one trade. So either scum feels fucked and they decide to do a bogus cop claim to....what end exactly? A TON would still have to go right for them to have a path to win. The cop would have to get lynched (unlikely), then the other team would need to cooperate (I think? need to look at numbers again) and they would need to miss vests. Or scum feels good and they decide to do an inefficient 1 for 1 trade despite feeling in control?

He's scum. He's three man scum. He KNOWS he'll flip eventually and be outed. But is he trying to make sense with this post, be honest, and maybe get Koshi lynched? Or is the mindfuckery already beginning.

IF this reads legitimate to you, it implicates CC. Why would 3 man do this, why would they make the 1 for 1 trade if they feel in control? They wouldn't so there has to be another benefit. The benefit to VA/WoS/CC/me that came out of solstice's thing was that CC looked a little better for outing solstice.

If the mindfuck has already begun, can't trust it anyway.

The question is do you think if it's legitmate or not? And why? I have already given my analysis of the situation and tbh you look the worst given this Solstice thing because of your "do not lynch into the cops plan". We now know it in fact was a bus. Which kinda bus it was and why? Did scum want Solstice lynched, CC gain town credit from it because of the payphone? If so, why? Did CC need town credit? I want you to tell me this, not ask questions.

I have given scenarios that make sense to me, and WoS & Vayne do not fit into those scenarios. On D5 i have given my analysis on CR and why he claimed scum, and it fits into my analysis from D4. Why am i wrong? What am i missing? I know i am right on the fact that it was a plan by the scum team, and the plan was to keep Pandain alive for the extra KP. You can't deny that, or if you will, tell me why? Why would scum out themselves when there are at least one confirmed townie + 1 unconfirmed person who will push Pandain lynch on D4? What gives? How do scum benefit from outing themselves? Not only once but twice.

What's the point of CR retracting from his scumclaim on D5? Pandain flipped, that's the obvious reason. If you disagree with this, why? And why would he claim scum again later on? What's the point of not fighting?

I have answers, but i can't say i am 100% sure. I know one of you has the answers because one of you is scum. I want to see what you make of the situation because at this poinst there is going to be 6 different analysis and only one of them is from scum. I want to analyze the scenarios to have a better overall view of how different people engage these situations and why.
How is the solstice lynch a bus? Like, the only person that could "bus" solstice is CC making a fake payphone claim.

As far as the rest of the game, half you guys weren't willing to consider that solstice COULD be the cop, so what does scum gain from "bussing" like that? EVERYONE is in a single pocket, there's no cred for x or y except for cc.

If the goal is to bus solstice, then I DON'T make sense, because you seem to think I came out looking WORSE for the day. You're suggesting that, if I'm scum, our team decided we would toss away solstice and that I would play to look scummier for the day. That's not a bus, in my mind. And it's not a bus for WoS or VA, because they don't come out looking particularly anti-solstice there. If you actually think bus, you think CC, imo.


Honestly, CR either claims to keep the other team alive OR because the claim/unclaim thing looks very much like his town games. The reason he got lynched in town games is fake votes on people he thinks are town, to see if scum will try to mislynch those guys, and little tricks like that.

It was a little late in the game to suddenly do that, but...the claim/unclaim thing is honestly the towniest-CR thing that CR has done. I don't think it's necessarily to confuse people or protect x or y, it may very well be because THAT POST looks like town CR, and he's not entirely wrong that scum has no reason to claim scum. So...I disagree with the premise that CR is claiming so as to protect or influence someone else, and I think it's more likely he's trying to protect himself.

Yes, the lynch was probably pandain or CR today, and his claim helps cement it on himself. And his unclaim and dick around fits either scenario - no way to protect pandain OR no more ability to make yourself look townie and get the lynch ON pandain.

Currently of the mindset that it's NOT scum trying to save pandain, because they were at 2-1, and if we lynch CR for claiming scum, teams are at 1-1. I don't think DRB wants to save Pandain so much that they're willing to sac their numbers advantage. They now are in a worse position relative to town AND the other mafia team. So I believe that CR's claim was for his own benefit, trying the claim/unclaim thing to try and appear town.

(Yes, you read that correctly)

No Austin, this is wrong.
If CC is town you cannot know what happens when you make the plan. Maybe CC is the last banger. Maybe he will take tha bait. Maybe the scumteam wanted CC to take tha bait and reveal it in the last second as Solstice claiming cop and 100% incriminating CC.

Maybe scum wanted both of Sol/Koshi to live. No confirmed townies yet -> both live onto D5, noone except VE can be trusted. I do not know what happened. You can't say "people believed Koshi, that's why XYZ" because you do not know if people do believe Koshi over Sol before it happens.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 09 2013 19:10 GMT
#5702
And the claim/unclaim thing is the scummies thing CR has done this game. 100%.
You are talking bullshit now Austin.
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raynpelikoneet
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October 09 2013 19:12 GMT
#5703
On October 10 2013 04:06 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2013 04:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Another thing i would like to have answered is this:
BlazingHand was hit N1. I was pretty surprised as only people (besides now confirmed town) he called scum was WoS. Why was Blazinghand hit? He wanted me dead. Noone used that against me from that point on while they could have. Not even Palmar. Could this incriminate WoS and if so, why? Why has noone brought this up at any point in this game?

Wat.
Are you serious?
Part of the reason I was so sure of FT is because BH was going after him for much of the day!
BH was pinning down FT for scum, and I honestly don't even remember him calling me as such.
Where are you getting this?

I do not necessarily think you are scum because of it. I wanna know what other people think about it.
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Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 09 2013 19:32 GMT
#5708
Yeah that's fishy. One other thing. Gimme a sec.
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Finland43268 Posts
October 09 2013 19:35 GMT
#5710
On October 10 2013 04:33 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2013 04:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 10 2013 04:06 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 10 2013 04:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Another thing i would like to have answered is this:
BlazingHand was hit N1. I was pretty surprised as only people (besides now confirmed town) he called scum was WoS. Why was Blazinghand hit? He wanted me dead. Noone used that against me from that point on while they could have. Not even Palmar. Could this incriminate WoS and if so, why? Why has noone brought this up at any point in this game?

Wat.
Are you serious?
Part of the reason I was so sure of FT is because BH was going after him for much of the day!
BH was pinning down FT for scum, and I honestly don't even remember him calling me as such.
Where are you getting this?

I do not necessarily think you are scum because of it. I wanna know what other people think about it.

That's not what I mean.
Oh wait you said 'besides cofnirmed town.' lol nvm.
I assumed you somehow missed his FT push.

I actually asked you about this earlier and afaik you never answered..
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October 09 2013 19:41 GMT
#5711
I am actually trying to make you guys give out your reads and try to interact with each other right now.
Noone is doing a good job atm..
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 09 2013 19:49 GMT
#5713
Good!
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
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October 09 2013 19:49 GMT
#5714
Or should we say...
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
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October 09 2013 20:06 GMT
#5719
On October 10 2013 05:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2013 04:44 austinmcc wrote:
BONUS QUESTION: There's a 3 man scumteam that decides CHEESECAKE is the most likely mafia apart from them. solstice/CR/x. Fill in the x that believe Cheesecake is the most likely other scum OR the x that allows solstice to push Cheesecake as the most likely other scum.

To answer this question I'd need to know whether the CR claim is premeditated or not. Because that matters in the context of this question.

Of course it was.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 09 2013 20:08 GMT
#5721
On October 10 2013 05:06 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2013 05:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
On October 10 2013 04:44 austinmcc wrote:
BONUS QUESTION: There's a 3 man scumteam that decides CHEESECAKE is the most likely mafia apart from them. solstice/CR/x. Fill in the x that believe Cheesecake is the most likely other scum OR the x that allows solstice to push Cheesecake as the most likely other scum.

To answer this question I'd need to know whether the CR claim is premeditated or not. Because that matters in the context of this question.
I have currently been assuming that the CR claim was at the very least not so premeditated that it stretches back all the way to N3/start of D4.

At least to me, when I've got all 3 members alive and am like...a mislynch or two away from winning, I don't tell solstice to claim cop AND CR to claim scum, that's not my plan going into a day.

Not on N3 or D4, but N4.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 09 2013 20:09 GMT
#5723
Oh shit Austin, that's so bad post..
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 09 2013 20:11 GMT
#5725
Austin you have a nomination for best scum claim in 2013 and you can't see this. wtf?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 09 2013 20:11 GMT
#5727
EBWOP: Best scum play -- as in claiming scum when it helps your team to win.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 09 2013 20:12 GMT
#5728
On October 10 2013 05:11 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2013 05:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 10 2013 05:06 austinmcc wrote:
On October 10 2013 05:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
On October 10 2013 04:44 austinmcc wrote:
BONUS QUESTION: There's a 3 man scumteam that decides CHEESECAKE is the most likely mafia apart from them. solstice/CR/x. Fill in the x that believe Cheesecake is the most likely other scum OR the x that allows solstice to push Cheesecake as the most likely other scum.

To answer this question I'd need to know whether the CR claim is premeditated or not. Because that matters in the context of this question.
I have currently been assuming that the CR claim was at the very least not so premeditated that it stretches back all the way to N3/start of D4.

At least to me, when I've got all 3 members alive and am like...a mislynch or two away from winning, I don't tell solstice to claim cop AND CR to claim scum, that's not my plan going into a day.

Not on N3 or D4, but N4.
If it's planned on N4, I don't THINK it affects my intentions with the possible payphone use or targeting.

What I'm more getting at is, IF the payphone thing is legit, who picks cheesecake? If it's not, it's fake anyway. CR's later claim doesn't factor into that for me, because by N4, the payphone thing has come and gone.

I dunno, who would pick CheeseCake?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 09 2013 20:20 GMT
#5735
On October 10 2013 05:15 VisceraEyes wrote:
People Oats was suspicious of, my bad. People that Oats said he was interested in lynching. Let's have a look.

Oats was a safe shot. At least when 2 scumteams alive. "would the other team shoot him, no? Would he use vest, no?"

But i sitll want Vayne to contribute aswell. Could you see Vayne making this kinda play from D4 -> with Solstice/ChairmanRay?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 09 2013 20:27 GMT
#5738
VE, also do you think Oats could have ever pushed a lynch on anyone in this game?
Like, if i put myself into scum position; In Noir, i wanted to kill people who are able to push a lynch on me. I didn't give a fuck if Koshi called me scum because he never gave any reasons for me being scum. I didn't give a fuck about JAT and Zaragon (other people suspicious of me) because they didin't not have credit/credibility to lynch me. I did not give a fuck about Mocsta because he fucked up on D2 and lost all credibility and town would never lynch me before him.

Why kill someone if it can only make you look bad? When the alternative is him calling you scum for nothing and "shitting up the thread" with you not having to fear them?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 09 2013 20:28 GMT
#5739
On October 10 2013 05:23 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh and regarding the recent conversation before I go, I think CR claim COULD have been premeditated, but if so, why give up in the exact same way twice?
Appears way more likely to have really given up, then convinced by scumbuddy to fight, then gave up again and even TOLD us that he was being yelled at in QT.
Of course the above could have been a lie but then why confess essentially the same way twice?

Because you tricked him into "scumslip". Which you didn't even realize. :D
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 10 2013 04:29 GMT
#5828
austin scum.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 10 2013 17:05 GMT
#5831
raynpelikoneet the Vanilla Townie has been bored to death.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 10 2013 17:06 GMT
#5832
ChairmanRay and austinmcc the Derelict Row Ballers are making plans in QT.

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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 11 2013 15:43 GMT
#5948
Where does Cheese consider lynching anyone but Solstice?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 11 2013 15:48 GMT
#5949
D4 Cheese looks 10000x better than Austin.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 11 2013 15:59 GMT
#5951
TLDR'd version is that Cheese never ever even considers any other than Solstice lynch. Austin doesn't want to lynch Solstice, but someone else. Hell, Austin even has his vote on Koshi at some point. The thing is, a person who has had good reads all game and had solstice as scum before D4, can't distinguish a real cop claim from a fake one based on the claims themselves and the information he has had before. But somehow he can be sure that someone else has to be 100% mafia.

What bothers me about Austin are these things:
1) His actions on D4 -- when compared them to what he has said earlier (mainly his stance on Solstice - it does not make sense)
2) His stance on FT, there is literally no way anyone could think he is town -- by Austins methods, CR should have looked way more town than FT
3) His 100% sure scumread on CR
4) His unwillingness to read Pandain -- when Noire ands and 2 people instantly say "Pandain 100% scum" there has to be something in it, there just has to.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 11 2013 16:50 GMT
#5954
Yeah i dunno. Maybe CC is scum after all.

Austin had a case on CR. Me and WoS questioned him on N4 and he claimed scum. We didn't even think he is scum at that point rofl (at least i did not -- i just wanted to question him as he was present). Would Austin do that kinda unnecessary bus? With being the only one who really wants to lynch CR.

Like why not just... not bus?

CR had to think he is under some serious pressure. So either Austin made a good bus or CC/CR misread my/WoS read on CR.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 11 2013 16:53 GMT
#5956
Austin do you think it's possible for WoS/Vayne to be scum?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 11 2013 17:23 GMT
#5959
So you do not find these towntells you found from for example FT's posts from Vayne's posts?

I mean, with some people you seem to be working differently than others. FirmTofu had some posts "mafia could not make", same with Pandain. It's not like every single post makes someone mafia. And there are no "townslips". Read Titanic where i couldn't get FirmTofu lynched all game because he townslipped on D1. Funny.. he was mafia.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 11 2013 17:32 GMT
#5961
Yes WoS has been the towniest town since D3.
Vayne's play is VERY unlikely to come form mafia!Vayne. He works differently as mafia. I just read Noir's obs QT and Vayne describes his town!meta very accurately there. That's the easiest way to read him.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 11 2013 17:55 GMT
#5964
On October 12 2013 02:47 austinmcc wrote:
At this point though, I have three options. CC/VA/WoS.

So if it ain't cc, it's one of the other two, regardless of townie play.

I also maintain that, whether he's played townie or scummily, those posts on oats come from the mafia mindset. Cheese has his own mafia mindset post on oats though and now it can only be one person.

No it doesn't.
"I don't find the "convincing others" part to be very fun or interesting. I just like seeing if what I am doing is correct. "

Whether or not you think this is wise it's a perfect summary of how Vayne plays as town. Unless he has changed his meta a full 180 this is town!Vayne without any doubt.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 11 2013 17:59 GMT
#5965
Vayne's reaction to Oats confirmation would be a scumtell for most of the people playing mafia, but not to him. He cares more about if he is right or not compared to who is winning or who gets lynched.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 11 2013 18:10 GMT
#5968
So why does he do that as mafia?
Is it more likely that he wants to claim scum rather than that he cannot believe Oats was town and was angry because of it?

Which is more likely?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 11 2013 18:22 GMT
#5976
On October 12 2013 03:16 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ehhhhh
I'm not 100% sure on Vayne (mostly because my recent townread is based on some mind-meld town POV stuff, and every other time I've based reads on like one post this game I've been wrong), but I don't necessarily see how that's a scum reaction.

I'd be WAY more careful as scum to let my anger over losing a mislynch target spill into the thread. Like.,...why would you not fake the joy or go for the townie reaction here?
I 100% would.

This.

Like what, try to still get Oats lynched after he has been cleared? That's a ridiculous statement Austin..
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 11 2013 18:23 GMT
#5977
I also can't get past Austin's reaction to CR claiming scum on N4.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 11 2013 18:25 GMT
#5978
+ Show Spoiler +
On October 08 2013 12:51 austinmcc wrote:
If you were a matador, and the players alive in this game were all part-bull part-robot beasts (are part-robot animals cyborgs?), probably the result of some sort of scientific experimentation, perhaps a government program in an early phase before looking towards human cyborg soldiers:

(1) which player would be the most robotic, perhaps with just a shred of bullmanity remaining?
(2) which player has the most original bull, and has barely been robotified at all?
(3) which player is the most dangerous bull, the one you know you have to keep in front of you or you'll be gored?
(4) how do you subdue the robot bulls?

feel free to answer later if you're headed home. but please do answer

When people were talking about his "reads post" that apparently never existed in the first place, this was all Austin had to say.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 11 2013 18:26 GMT
#5979
EBWOP: Obviously talking about CR's reads post.
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raynpelikoneet
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Finland43268 Posts
October 11 2013 19:08 GMT
#5986
On October 05 2013 03:06 VayneAuthority wrote:
all I know about CR is that he has never rolled scum here before and Coag said he plays scum well on the other site they play together. I don't find him townie at all really but I guess im alone. more on that before night ends.

In short, it seems like he is using me as leverage for the lynch tomorrow, so that he has an excuse to already vote me tomorrow without doing much of anything again.

I actually find this very townie post. That thing with Coag <--> CR is from Noir and i remember it aswell. I think it was not worthless to point out.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 11 2013 19:33 GMT
#5993
I don't understand. From my memory Vayne has voted for those people every day after that and called them scum (obviously barring Solstice/CR lynces).
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
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October 11 2013 19:58 GMT
#5995
I have no idea which one of Austin/CC we should lynch.
Probably just lynch CC as he completely fucked off after D4. At least Austin is trying and putting effort into this.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
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October 11 2013 20:06 GMT
#6008
Good job VE.
Okay guys we have a mislynch. Kill CC.

##Vote: Mr.CheeseCake
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 11 2013 20:10 GMT
#6012
I hope KP (other than drive-by) does not bank, becuase if it does i have played this game under false information from OP and the drive-by ability is useless for scum.,
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 11 2013 20:18 GMT
#6016
I hope mafia actually had 2 KP last night because i didn't actually have my vest left. Would be nice to fool scum into not shooting. :D
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 11 2013 20:29 GMT
#6019
On October 12 2013 05:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2013 05:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I hope mafia actually had 2 KP last night because i didn't actually have my vest left. Would be nice to fool scum into not shooting. :D

Shhhh.
If we still have vests left we may get 2 mislynches out of this. (I certainly hope we do not need them.)

^_^
Who knows, maybe i am lying?
Anyone got shot last night? VE the joke is on you.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 11 2013 21:43 GMT
#6027
I dunno what i think.
On the other hand lately on Cheesydude has been the definition of uselessness and i really hate that now when it actually does matter.
On the other hand Vayne is a cool dude and shares my thoughts almost exactly. And has done so nearly whole game. Especially the sureness of certain people's alignments with no apparent reasoning (i didn't find it good) is really fishy and concerns me the most. Like, he is "too right" on many people but then can't see Pandain scum and Koshi/Solstice situation.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 11 2013 22:23 GMT
#6029
I can't. I never find CC townie in games when i am town. He's always scummy regardless of alignment, mainly because he does not do much.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 11 2013 23:06 GMT
#6043
On October 12 2013 07:57 WaveofShadow wrote:
I have an Occam's Razor for you guise.
Which is more likely from a scum player in general when they are about to lose (not talking LYLO here)?
To fight like crazy against all odds, pushing lynches, delving filters constantly, and engaging the town in conversation ALL of the time?
Or giving up and hoping the town just magically forgets about you because you've most likely lost anyway and you don't want to put in wasted effort?

The first one, at least if i was in question.
In I swear 2 when Sylencia killed Artanis and Z-Boson claimed scum (and outed me aswell) to FirmTofu i wanted to shoot him and claim vigilante and try play 9-1. :D
I only gave up when he posted all comments from our scum QT. :D
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 11 2013 23:16 GMT
#6048
If Austin is scum the game is not lost for him. We are atm lynching CC.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 12 2013 03:10 GMT
#6055
Well done guys by looking hella town.
Sorry austin for going after you, i was paranoid because WoS & Vayne were so so town and i don't know your play well enough.

Finally town wins something. ^_^
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 12 2013 03:20 GMT
#6057
I still think the plan was bad because it would not reduce the suspect pool and Solstice was quite obviously mafia (to me at least, i know Koshi pretty well and he was soooo town). It would be like saying "you guys can still make cases against Koshi/rayn/Oats and noone can call you out for it" -> give mafia (and town too) possibilities to look into wrong places for no reason (as CR would not have flipped Banger).
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 12 2013 03:20 GMT
#6058
But yeah, damn your reads were spot on this game. Well played!
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 12 2013 03:25 GMT
#6060
Funny thing is at least i didn't think CR was scum at that point..
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 12 2013 03:26 GMT
#6061
WoS please never ever start a game like you did. :D
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
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October 12 2013 03:31 GMT
#6065
No it wasn't. We did good. People were good at reading different people and we had good atmosphere as soon as BH died. :D
jk.

But yeah, i think this is one of the best games i have ever played in as town, everyone was cool and there no personal attacks. Damn why can't we all be town every game. It was pleasure to play with you guys.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 12 2013 03:41 GMT
#6068
Koshi listened to right people on N4. Koshi always listen to me. <3
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 12 2013 04:16 GMT
#6075
See guys:
Palmar
09-30-2013
11:09 AM ET (US)
Playing in 2-team mafia games IS SO MUCH FUCKING EFFORT.

play well enough not to be lynched, play badly enough not to be shot.

We really need to start hitting the other team.

Just about what i said why Palmar is scum.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 12 2013 04:48 GMT
#6085
The most hilarious part for me was when Noir ended, i think "okay so now i can actually make a case against Pandain". Then Vayne immediately posts "Pandain totally scum, no doubt."

"Thank you, a totally free and legit townread added to my collection." ^_^
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 12 2013 04:59 GMT
#6087
The guy next to me must be Koshi shouting in obs QT right?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
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October 12 2013 05:07 GMT
#6089
I was very confused when i read that. I don't understand why people are not even trying to read you.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 12 2013 05:39 GMT
#6091
Oats you were very confusing this game. I don't remember a single post of yours whole game besides the ones where you questioned my read on Palmar at the start of the game.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
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October 12 2013 05:48 GMT
#6094
During the last 2 games i have realized i should never read what BH posts on D1.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 12 2013 06:02 GMT
#6096
I also laughed hard when someone thought i was a cop for my seriously imbalnced "day-bus-the-lynch-target-with-scum" plan. ^^
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 12 2013 14:10 GMT
#6101
Oh god i was close to getting angry about Solstice and CR lynches when you guys went "but what if.."..
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
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October 12 2013 14:14 GMT
#6103
You were not a good cop Kohsi, you were awesome cop! Also hiro, you guys took really good actions!
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raynpelikoneet
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Finland43268 Posts
October 12 2013 14:18 GMT
#6105
lol, i just realized. Everyone but SnB claimed scum.. :D
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
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October 12 2013 14:24 GMT
#6109
On October 12 2013 23:19 Koshi wrote:
But confirming people as town is superpowerful.

Look at how you, VE were treated because thread knew you were town.

If you look at austin and how much work he put in, in a normal game he would be untouchable just because of that.

Unfortunately for Austin he started playing imbalancebly good when scum kinda needed to bus (D4 ->). It really was more beneficial for Ballers to get themselves killed over Pandain, as it does not reduce scum KP. I PoE'd Vayne after Palmar's flip and WoS on D4 - N4 with his actions/questions to Solstice/CR. Austin was just a "could still be scum and capable of this play" and i can't read Mr.CC. When i could fully trust WoS it helped a lot, and CC not trying was a final nail in his coffin, it would have been wrong in any way to lynch Austin over him, but if CC flipped town i would have lynched Austin next.
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October 12 2013 14:24 GMT
#6110
On October 12 2013 23:20 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2013 23:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
lol, i just realized. Everyone but SnB claimed scum.. :D

Palmar didn't but FT being afk helped town there.

They both did claim scum with Pandain at the start of the game. :D
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 12 2013 14:34 GMT
#6113
Actually what most bothered me about Austin was him not trying reading Pandain. He did a lot of good and spot on filter dives and i was like "dude, look at Pandain, this is something you just can't miss, why won't you do it...?"
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
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October 12 2013 14:48 GMT
#6116
lol phagga, look at the answers to the post you quoted from me. :D
Oats: "you so bad"
Austin: "let's talk about something else" -> then on D3 makes the exact same case. :D
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raynpelikoneet
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October 12 2013 14:51 GMT
#6117
On October 12 2013 23:48 phagga wrote:
Also, I think some towns are hard to lead. While most townies are looking for a leader (which makes them susceptible to scum manipulations), there are some who want to do just their own thing. Vayne is a good example of the latter, and I think you wasted too much time trying to get him to do more (after all, you know how he plays) while also being unnecessary aggressive towards him. It was ok that you started ignoring him for a while, but you should have done that much earlier and concentrate on other players.

This is what most people go wrong with Vayne. That just doesn't work. He does stuff and interacts with you if you do it right. But never ever be aggressive or threaten him. He is usually quite spot on with his reads but how to interact with him is the question here, and being aggressive is not the answer.
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Last Edited: 2013-10-12 14:57:20
October 12 2013 14:56 GMT
#6119
On October 12 2013 23:51 phagga wrote:
Oh yeah, right, being unnecessarily aggressive was also a thing.

WHY CAN'T I MAKE A SENSE OF THIS ANYMORE!

I had it all in my head this week on what I wanted to say about your early game and did not write it down, and now I can't get it together anymore


My early game was trying to read Palmar and when i realized he was probably scum trying to get him lynched but i am so bad at convincing people.
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raynpelikoneet
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October 12 2013 16:46 GMT
#6123
Thanks Sentinel, phagga and cakepie for hosting.
I have to say this was one of the most funniest and enjoyable games i have ever played.

Also thanks to all the players, was fun!
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raynpelikoneet
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October 12 2013 17:34 GMT
#6127
WoS please please play like you did from N1 -> every game from now on so we can murder scum in every game.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
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October 12 2013 17:50 GMT
#6129
You were all confirmed town, especially after D3.
This:
On October 10 2013 00:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And btw i am refusing to lynch WoS or Vayne.

Vayne has been straight up townie with his interactions with scum. No retarded "let's make me look better"-busses with cases on scumbuddies (which has been the case here). No trying to save anyone or any other shennies. Just straight up "these people are scum, that's it, now die". Looks like normal town!Vayne, not too tryhard.

WoS has been genuinely interested in these Solstice/CR situations. Has been asking the right questions and has a clear thought process. If he is scum he deserves to win, because there are couple of things that are (in that case) incredibly next-level scumplay. (1) His interactions with Solstice on D4. (2) CR claims scum. When the plan goes shit, CR claims fakeclaiming shennies as town. WoS tricks CR into claiming scum again. If that is the plan for scum!WoS and CR, oh my god, i salute WoS!

So yeah, lynch CC, then Austin. CC before Austin because if Austin is town he has played a really good game and i don't want to mislynch him for good play unless he is my last pick for mafia.

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October 12 2013 17:58 GMT
#6131
Because i am dumb and paranoid.
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Last Edited: 2013-10-12 18:24:58
October 12 2013 18:24 GMT
#6135
On October 13 2013 03:17 Chairman Ray wrote:
I am never gonna use fakeclaiming as a strategy again

But that was a good game

Never ever claim scum. There is no way it is going to help you. You could have used some coaching in scum QT, other than that you did fine, not getting lynchedon early days and looked townie to many people. If you do not know what to do, never refrain from posting, never apologize about anything, never give up. Ask advice from your scumbuddies and post. If you think you look bad you can even bus your teammates hardcore because nobody is going to believe you anyways, at worst you or your buddy gets lynched and the other one of you gains credit.

Now, when you claimed scum, everything you said was treated as WIFOM.
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