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I mean, let's do it regardless of anything. When we attack a target one of us acts like an idiot and the other one is reasonable. haha. ^_^ j/k | ||
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On September 26 2013 22:20 marvellosity wrote: That would imply either of you are capable of being reasonable :OOOO scumclaim. only one of us needs to be able to be that. | ||
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On September 27 2013 01:32 WaveofShadow wrote: I know this is completely unrelated to anything, but I didn't know where to put it (since I'm dead in LXII). Someone needs to make Personality Mafia 3 so I can be Koshi. dnu dnu dnu dnu dnu The guy who "gets" to be me has no future. :D | ||
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On September 27 2013 22:33 Koshi wrote: rayn, your opinion on Grack? I dunno yet, leaning town. Interesting, should we lynch you? | ||
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That's a surreal suggestion given there are 2 scumteams. | ||
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On September 27 2013 22:52 Palmar wrote: It's completely viable to have a town read at this point in the game, I have a few people I'm leaning town on myself. However it's wildly inconsistent for yamato to proclaim his townread on me, and then proceed to ignore everything I'm saying, in favor of a policy lynch with almost nothing to back it up. I think VE is town, that's given 2 scumteams... is that strange? No i think it's not impossible to have town reads. I think it's impossible to have a town read on you at this point. I think VE is town aswell, i also think Oats is town. | ||
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On September 27 2013 22:55 Koshi wrote: Again not on me? What is dis world I live in? You are not enought town to be town with VE and Oats. You are lesser town, get it? :p | ||
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Because even if you make sense in a townie way you can be attacking a member of another scumteam -> it's possible to genuinely scumhunt and look town even if you are scum. | ||
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On September 27 2013 23:04 Oatsmaster wrote: Leading on, rayn, how do you have these townreads on me and VE? Both of you are not making sense in a scumy way. | ||
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On September 27 2013 23:06 Oatsmaster wrote: But Palmar is? I dont understand man. It doesn't matter, you don't need to understand. I kinda wanna lynch WoS. | ||
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On September 27 2013 23:09 Oatsmaster wrote: I kinda do need to understand how you formulate reads to know if you are town or scum. For example, I think that your current reads on me and VE are not very well substantiated and you are avoiding giving Palmar a town read for no good reason. It's the style of your posts. Why should i geve Palmar a town read if i don't think he's necessarily town? | ||
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Atm i wanna lynch WoS. ##Vote: WaveofShadow The only thing i have found out that's really unlike to come from a townie is him shitting on town before the game hasn't even started fully. Another thing is that he is overly emo and i think he is faking it. | ||
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On September 27 2013 23:30 Palmar wrote: Given this, I really don't understand this: You wouldn't be asking this question unless you thought there was something fishy about yamato's townread on me. But because what I'm saying makes sense, according to yourself, I would think that grounds enough for thinking I'm town. Do you think yamato should have further reservations? Do you think it's suspicious that he doesn't? Yes i think it's suspicious that he declareas you town. In this game making sense in a townie way does not necessarily mean you are town, you might just be attacking another scumteam. yamato should know that your posting this far does not make you town. | ||
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Isn't it nice how this game works. :D | ||
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Joking aside, i'll explain in a bit, gotta smoke first. | ||
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On September 27 2013 23:47 Palmar wrote: The bolded sentences could be considered inconsistent, especially in the light that your suspicion on WoS came pretty much out of the blue while in the middle of an entirely different discussion. For someone who's willing to throw Oats a townread for basically nothing but being an asshole, I find it very surprising that you have a problem with yamato giving me a townread for making sense. That, too, seems inconsistent. That's basically my point regarding Oats. There is a difference in his town and scum play. It has nothing to do with if he is making sense or not. He basically is an asshole as town. He makes a lot more sense as scum and he is more careful. That does not apply to you, or me, or BH for example. What you have said so far does not make you town. Whatever you do on D1, even if you lynch scum, does not make you town. You know it and yamato should know it too. That's what's wrong in his read on you. What's wrong with my case on WoS? Are you saying i am not allowed to make a case on him when i am discussing something different? Why does the timing of my case make me scum? Was i supposed to make it in my first post, why? | ||
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I have written big cases in past. It does not work because people don't even read what i write in those cases. My case on WoS is simple and easily to be understood. It doesn't need to have anything else. What makes him scum is enough. And no, i am not scum, and no, i am not being inconsistent. | ||
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On September 28 2013 00:18 Palmar wrote: I don't want you to reconsider your vote. In fact I agree WoS's entry post was absolutely awful. I'm not questioning whether or not you're right, I'm questioning your motivation and methods. I'm not trying to go after WoS right now, I'm trying to determine your alignment. So no, I'm not not going to give you good reasons for being awful, because there aren't any. What you have to demonstrate is why this suspicion should be considered over other people who've been mentioned as possible lynch candidates. It very well could be, I haven't paid much attention to WoS, and there's actually a great benefit of putting WoS under massive pressure, given what I know about his playstyle. What do you consider to be other cases atm? Grackaroni and FT? FirmTofu is really bad on D1's as town. I don't think him saying what he has makes him scum. Grackaroni is right on what he says about FT. I need more from him to judge his alignment. I don't even understand the case on Grackaroni so i can't really comment on it. | ||
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On September 28 2013 00:19 Oatsmaster wrote: lol I voted for WoS first. I didn't mean you, i meant Vayne and Koshi as agreeing as they said they agreed. | ||
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In Golden Sun i figured BH was scum from his first 3 posts. I got into an argument with Grackaroni on D1 aswell. These were the first things i did in that game. They were both scum. Both of my arguments were called "incredibly bad" by ~80% of the townies. So i doubted myself and looked elsewhere. I tried explaining myself for about 5 pages in my filter, apparently i was not convincing enough. I had a 40 or something page filter in that game. 20 pages of it is me telling people why Vayne, Grackaroni and BH are scum. Nobody listened to me even when i took multiple approaches. I basically did everything i could. The 20 other pages were me arguing with townies who forced me to choose a lynch between a guy who was confirmed town to me by a cop check and a guy who i was 99% sure is town, or townies who forced me to vote for them in LYLO because they wouldn't look at the situation objjectively. Nobody listened. Ever. I really don't care as much as i used to, because that game was so fucked up. | ||
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On September 28 2013 00:43 Grackaroni wrote: lol Rayn you had 20 other pages in that game saying why every other townie was scum. Don't act like you were right all game and just got ignored. You were on the right track at the start and had it solved at the end. Not really, i looked at multiple places on D3 and made possible scenarios. Nobody really gave shit about it and nobody would discuss them. Yeah it might look like that, but it wasn't that. And ofc i was wrong, about Sno being SK for example. | ||
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On September 28 2013 00:45 VisceraEyes wrote: If I find something suspicious about Cheesecake, I can assure you it has nothing to do with you specifically. My problem lies with Cheesecake and how he presented his suspicion. Could you elaborate on that. I have no idea what to think about his post. | ||
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On September 28 2013 00:51 VisceraEyes wrote: I don't understand the question. Could you rephrase it? Afaik Palmar is really good in reading you, correct? If he is scum and you are town, does he need to call you town unless he wants you to find him out? I mean, is it possible for him to fake suspicion on you as scum. | ||
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On September 28 2013 01:01 Oatsmaster wrote: Im not sure that you are town WoS Can you claim doc or something to make me sure? I'm bulletproof. | ||
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My problem with Palmar is his stance on yamato. No other problems. | ||
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On September 28 2013 01:12 VisceraEyes wrote: But it's presently the same stance as mine I like his stance on Yamato just fine. So you don't find it odd at all that he makes a big issue of me questioning yamato's townread on him (as in he doesn't think that's scummy), and in the next hour he sheeps you on yamato? | ||
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On September 28 2013 01:13 WaveofShadow wrote: Koshi can you show me where I specifically did this? I assume you're taking my calling town shit as 'town is shit if they lynch me cuz town always lynch town D1 and they bad lololol?' Where did I ever talk about myself getting lynched? Does my posting somehow belie that I am worried about it? Like....the first post where you brought up feeling bad about me made me think you were town but this one has me stumped. Again I'm inclined to think town because this is just such a convoluted way of thinking to come from scum. So why did you shit over the town in the first place? | ||
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On September 28 2013 03:38 FirmTofu wrote: Absent and defending me. Everytime that's happened, he's been scum. s one: | ||
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On September 28 2013 03:52 WaveofShadow wrote: Hai Rayn. Why didn't you tear up my post? Because i don't have to. It's just wrong. What do you think of what i just said about FT? | ||
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On September 28 2013 03:52 Koshi wrote: Pretty sure you pushed FT lynch in GoT. Don't remember any other games you flipped scum in. So yeah. FT full of shit. FT is like the easiest lynch to push if you are scum. Especially on D1. Yes, he's full of shit. town or scum full of shit? smells like scum FT again to me. | ||
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On September 28 2013 02:41 WaveofShadow wrote: Epiphany: Rayn is scum. He is pushing me really strongly off the bat and entering his shit-rayn tunnel-mode. He is capable of this as both town and scum. Why does this make him scum? He knows he can get me lynched. When we were both town in Persona he pushed me relentlessly and got me lynched D1 (I played a shit game and probs deserved it but whatever). I didn't go down without a fight and much of that first day was us calling each other scum---and yet he won in the end with spam and yelling and whatnot as Rayn is wont to do. Rayn's original reasoning outside of this case on me that game is because I was being belligerent and refusing to address him, 'even though he gave me chances.' He gave me a few opportunities to deal with him but I didn't want to bother, so he got me lynched. He learned his lesson about this supposedly after the game and so I believe as town he wouldn't attempt this sort of a push again because of how detrimental it would be to the atmosphere and to the town in general. In this game yes I am being belligerent once again but I am also being transparent and actively engaging everyone. Scum Rayn has picked out that he can try and get me lynched based on the belligerence and perceived 'emo-ness' of my posting thus far despite the fact that I am playing fundamentally differently to Persona, and ultimately way more towny. Given the chance, he may very well succeed as overall Rayn is pretty damn good at pushing lynches. He is taking the 'safe' route here---something he knows he can get done and he won't look overly bad when I do flip town because not only do some other people suspect me atm, but it is something a town Rayn 'would' do. Rayn and Vayne, the rhyming scum. (Not necessarily on same team though ) In short. The 4 Persona game has nothing to do with this game. I am not tunneling you. I am not shutting everyone down and yelling everyone to vote for you. That's basically it. | ||
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That's another thing. I don't agree though. | ||
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That's why i said i will probably sheep Palmar at the end of the day. | ||
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On September 28 2013 04:13 Koshi wrote: Let's imagine a Grack/FT scumteam and you guys rng lynch me. That would be epic. Let's imagine you make some actual analysis soon ok? | ||
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On September 28 2013 04:19 strongandbig wrote: i dont like this post. rayn clearly indicated that palmar making sense was not alignment indicative. but palmar is trying to twist/recast that reasoning into rayn having had a townread on him. either intentional, in which case scummy, or unintentional, in which case this really doesn't fit with the brooks-no-nonsense-or-illogicalness palmar we know and love. then there's another thing. Palmar is voting for yamato right now, but he's made cases for why at least two other people (grack and hiro) are actively scummy. (his "pattern finding"). whereas he's said pretty much nothing about yamato. what's the point of putting emphasis on pattern finding if you're not going to actually use it to kill scum. Also, I think one thing scum players love to do is give advice and not follow it: And the last thing: Who else thinks it's weird that palmar posted this, then didn't say anything in terms of analysis of what came out of it? Like, someone even asked him to say something about vayne based on it, and he didn't mention it at all. My impression of palmar from his opening shenanigans in other games is that he likes to get something from them. When he proposes a random lynch or other stupid policy, he has a very specific set of goals in mind as town for information he wants to get from the shenanigans and peoples' reactions to them. This game, I don't see that. Yes, I do think palmar is cocky enough to claim scum as scum. I think you are totally right in this post. On the other hand, we don't need to lynch Palmar on D1, even if he is scum. He can net us more scum, and the other scumteam needs to shoot him if me make him do so. :D That's basically what i am trying to do. | ||
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On September 28 2013 04:23 strongandbig wrote: um wat you think he's scum but you don't want to kill him? .... I am not sure if he is scum or not. I will lynch him if i think he is definitely scum. | ||
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On September 28 2013 04:22 strongandbig wrote: ##vote: palmar for now. when's deadline again? 02:00 GMT (+00:00)? We got 23,5h. | ||
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On September 28 2013 05:54 yamato77 wrote: This post is horrible. Saying WoS is being a shithead and voting him for it are two different things. Rayn is worthy of a hard look for this shit. Being a shithead when there is no reason to be a shithead and emoing about "rolling town because TL towns so bad" isa townie thingy to do at the start of the game? | ||
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On September 28 2013 17:22 hiro protagonist wrote: There actions. Panda put an effort into a real case. A convincing one at that. Oats has been calling people out on there bullshit all game long. Do you have conflicting views in this regard? More importantly do you have someone you want to lynch? You haven't voted yet ether. I agree Pandain put effort into his case. He is not scum with yamato, i give you that. I don't see anything that makes him town though. Oats i agree with you on + i have my own reasons to think he is town. I have voted. | ||
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+ ~70% of the comments in thread this phase have something to do with randomlynch, in a way or another. And i want to lynch BlazingHand, just for that. This thread is shit and it's his fault. | ||
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Random lynching in this game: 6/19, chance of hitting mafia = 0.315789 raynpelikoneet first post analysis in 2 last games: 2/2, chance of hitting mafia = 1.000000 WoS is clearly the best lynch. | ||
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On September 28 2013 18:18 yamato77 wrote: I am clearly mafia. confessions confessions.. | ||
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And bus VE with someone, like WoS. | ||
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POLICE 2 Police (Buddy Cop Team) - By-the-book and loose-cannon cops. Both have a number of items which they can use a set number of times. Some items are exclusive to each cop, others are not. Here is the list: Precision Shot: if aimed at an unprotected townie, the shot will not fire and be refunded. If aimed at a bulletproofed townie, the cop will think the townie is up to no good and shoot, destroying the vest (but not killing townie). If aimed at a scum, the shot fires and scum will die assuming no protection. Cocaine-Covered Prius: If delivered to a gang member, will roleblock his entire gang for the night. If delivered to a townie, they will ignore it and you will get your Prius back. Ambulance: protects a player from any and all KP that night. Can be used on either cop. Lethal Force: Target one player and he will be shot at the end of the night. Hollywood CPR: protects target from 1 KP. Target will die if hit by more than 1 KP. Motorcycle: Switches any two players in the game. All actions done to one player will be done to the other, and vice versa (bus driver). Walkie-Talkie: For the following day-phase, the player may talk to the target in PM’s. Stakeout: Shows if the target visited someone at night. Works on the nightkill and all 1 KP abilities that have a target. Also works on sleepwalker and molotov. Okay, this is plan B. Bus Koshi with WoS. Nowhere does it say it has to be during the night. Profit! | ||
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Just don't die at night. Like, both of you use Ambulance every night on each other, and every day bus the lynch onto someone. Game solved, let's go home. | ||
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On September 28 2013 19:12 Koshi wrote: ... I dont get what you are saying. Bus you and WoS. WoS get's lynched instead of you if you have the most votes at the end of the day. | ||
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On September 28 2013 19:17 Koshi wrote: Its going to be night actions lol. How OP would that be. I don't care if it's OP. :D | ||
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On September 28 2013 19:27 Palmar wrote: But WoS isn't scum, that's bad and awful plan rayn. Elaborate please? | ||
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1) His opening posts are horrible, town!WoS is not horrible. He is promoting bad town atmosphere and that's not a thing a townie should ever be doing and he knows it. His emoness is stupid filler in his post and it's not necessary. It's faked. 2) His case one me was really bad. The things he said about me do not make me mafia, it's about last game i tunneled him and the purpose of that post is not to get me lynched (he doesn't really even try it). He is just producing "content" that serves no purpose and on top of that is wrong, the only reason for his post is "don't listen to rayn, he is bad". 3) After that he retracts from his comment about me being scum. If he is town, in the first place (as he has called me scum) he has read my posts, correct? Correct! Well what does WoS do after that. He says "no rayn is town after all". Okay. What's his next post? "Oh shit i forgot, multiple scumteams, maybe rayn is scum after all". There is no way WoS does not remember there are multiple scumteams in case he is town. In case he is town he has read my posts and a lot of my posts talk about Palmar and him not being necessarily town because of multiple scumteams in this game. Therefore, if WoS is town, he cannot "not remember the existance of multiple scumteams". This is the most damning evidence and it makes WaveofShadow scum. ggnore | ||
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On September 28 2013 19:58 Oatsmaster wrote: So Yamato, horrible town include palmar and VE and BH. I see. Rayn, how does point 3 make WoS mafia? All I see is that it makes him forgetful. When you look at someone's posts you think is mafia, and ~40% of his posts is talking about X, you tend to forget about the X when you are analyzing his alignment? | ||
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On September 28 2013 21:13 Palmar wrote: I agree it's a strange mistake to make. Just so we're clear, you're assuming that he's LYING about forgetting, not that he actually forgot, right? yes | ||
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On September 28 2013 21:19 Oatsmaster wrote: I think that backing off from it is townie lol, see how he backs off from it and what he does after that. No Oats, it's not townie. | ||
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On September 28 2013 21:37 Palmar wrote: We're not lynching WoS rayn, even based on activity alone it makes almost no sense. Hey, this is a dumb argument Palmar. | ||
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Because activity =/= alignment and your argument is bades purely on activity. | ||
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On September 28 2013 22:18 Palmar wrote: No it isn't. Anyway, he's not getting lynched so this discussion is useless. I know he is not getting lynched because of this rng shit, but you are lying, your argument is based purely on activity. | ||
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On September 28 2013 22:15 Koshi wrote: I cannot believe FT with 2 scumreads is on my ass CR where is your.love? I need your love now. Grack move your ass off me if you are town. WoS you the same. This isnt funny anymore. I will hate you the most for this lynch. Palmar be sensible plz. The rest of you are fuckers and no longer my bros. I am your bro dude. :/ | ||
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On September 28 2013 22:37 Koshi wrote: You are a the Joker. I am Batman. Good cop bad cop, remember. Bros. | ||
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On September 28 2013 22:46 Palmar wrote: The one argument I have presented is based on activity. And hell, that's good enough argument to rather try to lynch Rol, or Hiro etc. If you want to defend WoS with a lurker lynch at least be a man and say so. Anyways that's a shitty defence. | ||
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On September 28 2013 22:51 Koshi wrote: Can you bust some kneecaps then? I have bandages with Hello Kitty for after. I got Hell's angels ones, and cocaine. I can, WoS first. | ||
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On September 28 2013 19:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay this is why WaveofShadow is mafia: 1) His opening posts are horrible, town!WoS is not horrible. He is promoting bad town atmosphere and that's not a thing a townie should ever be doing and he knows it. His emoness is stupid filler in his post and it's not necessary. It's faked. 2) His case one me was really bad. The things he said about me do not make me mafia, it's about last game i tunneled him and the purpose of that post is not to get me lynched (he doesn't really even try it). He is just producing "content" that serves no purpose and on top of that is wrong, the only reason for his post is "don't listen to rayn, he is bad". 3) After that he retracts from his comment about me being scum. If he is town, in the first place (as he has called me scum) he has read my posts, correct? Correct! Well what does WoS do after that. He says "no rayn is town after all". Okay. What's his next post? "Oh shit i forgot, multiple scumteams, maybe rayn is scum after all". There is no way WoS does not remember there are multiple scumteams in case he is town. In case he is town he has read my posts and a lot of my posts talk about Palmar and him not being necessarily town because of multiple scumteams in this game. Therefore, if WoS is town, he cannot "not remember the existance of multiple scumteams". This is the most damning evidence and it makes WaveofShadow scum. ggnore | ||
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On September 29 2013 02:11 WaveofShadow wrote: You want me to answer it, link it to me. Pretty simple. Lol in Persona it was scummy because I didn't want to bother with you, now it's scummy because I do? You;re a super cutie. Is there anything I can ever do that you won't find scummy when you're in retard-rayn-tunnel-mode? I think not. I want you to be reasonable, which you are, as town. You are not being reasonable now WoS. If you are town man the fuck up, answer me and find mafia. | ||
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On September 29 2013 02:15 WaveofShadow wrote: 1) Not faked. Ask anyone who I talked to after I died in Noire. I admitted it was a little over the top shortly after that but I am legitimately annoyed I rolled town this game. 2) You're right that it was bad, but I was expressing my thoughts. I have zero issues doing that, as you can see from your third point. Why would I bother posting that I forgot something at all if mafia? You honestly think it's worth it for me as scum to risk people like you tunneling on something that appears fake?' 3) It has nothing to do with me not remembering the presence of multiple scumteams, it's HOW the presence of those multiple scumteams affects my read which I thought about while posting this. It was stream-of-consciousness. A scumteam in this game does not act like normal scum because they legitimately need to scumhunt, which affects the way you play. I know it would affect mine in that way. 1) You know i can't do it, but fair enough. 2) Okay so why did you make a bad post without thinking it through first? 3) So how multiple scumteams affect to your read on me? And why did you go from rayn scum -- rayn town -- no, rayn might be scum? | ||
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On September 29 2013 02:19 WaveofShadow wrote: Don't you fucking dare tell me I haven't been scumhunting/attempting to find mafia this game. I have scumreads on VA since nearly the fucking start, yamato has done dick all this game which means he probs scum (though it worries me slightly that he's somewhat of a popular side-wagon), FT likely scum due to his horrible opening posts. Rayn nothing I will do once you've gotten like this will ever appease you. You know and I know it. So keep pushing your retarded tunnel for the rest of the day. Either people will listen to you or they won't. I don't want to turn this into Persona D1, I'd actually like to be useful for the rest of today if town is actually REALLY fucking retarded and listens to you. I think your read on VA is bad. I think your scumread on yamato might be correct, can you elaborate more on that? | ||
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You are not playing, you are coaching, in this very game. And that's bad. | ||
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On September 29 2013 02:36 WaveofShadow wrote: I can't Rayn. I am not making it up, but I honestly cannot tell you. If that makes me scum so be it. Okay you are town. ##Unvote: ##Vote: BlazingHand Coaching instead of playing. | ||
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On September 29 2013 02:37 Blazinghand wrote: "hey guys there's been no resistance to the WoS lynch" "but WoS isn't getting lynched how can you even-" "herp derp it's raising my hackles" ughhhhhhhhhh why did i even wake up today wtf? | ||
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On September 29 2013 02:38 Blazinghand wrote: lol rayne you're just throwing your vote away. nobody's lynching me today. It's day 1 and i'm blazinghand and I fucking made the RNG discussion when there would be no reason to do that except as town. get off your high horse This is totally wrong and wrong. The RNG stuff is totally non-alignment indicative, the way you went with it is. You are BH, you can get lynched like any other player in this game, on D1. I am not throwing my vote away, i am gonna lynch you. | ||
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The RNG stuff is totally non-alignment indicative, the way you went with it is. And this is scummy. | ||
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BH, who is scum? And why, besides yamato? | ||
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On September 29 2013 02:44 strongandbig wrote: Also palmar is still scum. Basically it looks like he jumped on the random lynch wagon instead of pushing his scum read because it was easier and because he's been captain random lynvh in past town games. But the thing is, he has been captain random lunch because it gives valuable analysis, never just for the purpose of circumventing analysis I on say one. But here we have all the positions to analyze but instead of doing that or pushing his scum read he is down with random lunching. Put that with my earlier case and we should be voting pmar. Did anyone ever actually disagree with or counter my case? Cause I will argue with them if so. We should be voting palmar ibaread of koshi. People agreed with you or didnät say anything. | ||
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On September 29 2013 02:46 Palmar wrote: So here's a thought, how about instead of being awful, now that you agree WoS isn't scum, you actually spend the tiny amount of time to consider the people who are you know... actually likely to flip scum. FT, Hiro, RoL: Go! I didn't have the information i have now. You didn't aswell. Yet you were sure WoS is town despite calling his posts "bad", while knowing WoS is not a bad player. You, Sir, are scum. *Also VE is totally a boss and i can't lynch him ever just because he listens to awesome music. | ||
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On September 29 2013 02:47 WaveofShadow wrote: Rayn please just fucking stop. Frenzied rayn is shit useless rayn. Sit back, get a cup of tea or something, and start using your brain, please. Pick a scumread and stick with it with 2 hours to go imo. I think Palmar is most likely to be scum. You want reasons? | ||
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(2) Palmar is not here to find scum. town!Palmar ALWAYS want's to find scum because he is at his best on D1. That's it. | ||
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On September 29 2013 02:53 Palmar wrote: WoS is historically awful unless he's taken massive improvements since I last played with him. I mentioned there being a benefit in putting him under pressure at some point, the reason being that I played a game with him where he was town and bad until people wanted to lynch him, and somehow he actually became useful when under pressure. I think this was that game where BC quickhammered me because why not. However, if WoS is scum, as you suggested at the point, he's engaging very casually in conversation in the thread, making big posts and directly conversing with people. Maybe he's good as scum, but for the most part just doing that is pretty advanced and better than what I'd expect out of WoS. WoS is really good as town, he is really good as scum. Get your facts straight. | ||
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On September 29 2013 03:20 Palmar wrote: Hi. Stop talking shit. You don't know my stance on yamato. Yeah from before the "RNG KOSHI" stage. A stance that's inconsistent and never explained. | ||
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On September 29 2013 03:29 Palmar wrote: Just curious rayn. Do you think I want to lynch yamato? you voted for him. as for now, i have no idea. i have absolutely no idea who you want to lynch, and taht's bad. | ||
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On October 01 2013 05:09 Grackaroni wrote: Rayn who should we lynch? I would probably go with FT, since he has imo most chances of flipping scum. | ||
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Townies: THE KOSHI, VisceraEyes, Oatsmaster, Chairman Ray, WaveofShadow, VayneAuthority, Grackaroni *Yes i know my read on WoS has been fucked up and contradicting, it's because i was sick on Sunday -> now. Deal with it.* Could go either way: Mr. Cheesecake, strongandbig, austinmcc, Pandain, S0lstice. Scum: Palmar - Is not playing like he does as town. Grackaroni pointed it out already, so did SnB. His cases are really bad, and apparently he can't understand why i brought up his stance on yamato. Anyways, he's not gonna get lynched today, so there is no need to explain it further. hiro protagonist - Hasn't done anything. Really good lynch. ShiaoPi - Same FirmTofu - Same + weird contradictions in his behavior. Best lynch. ##Vote: FirmTofu | ||
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On October 01 2013 21:36 Palmar wrote: Also, you have YET to explain where I took any kind of "stance on yamato". Please do, before you continue bringing this fabrication up. You didn't call yamato out for his townread on you. I already have explained why there was no good reasons for yamato to have a townread on you at that time. Instead you went into an argument with me about it. What am i supposed to take from it? That you have a scumread on him but you are arguing with me because i have a scumread on him? That's bullshit Palmar. Then, after that, you sheep VE into a vote on yamato, for no apparent reason. | ||
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My concern is that you, of all the people Palmar, don't understand this simple fact. In addition to that, you havn't been actively trying to find mafia. In fact, you have devoted this game into calling people bad. That's what you usually do in games, but that's so over the top in this game. You are not trying to actively find scum. You might be right on something, but you are off in a lot of things, considering what your town play usually looks like. You are afraid of getting shot. Given that you have a vest if you are town, you should not be afraid of getting shot. If you are a Police guy, the other dude can protect you, and you are confirmed. You should not be afraid of getting shot. If you are town. TLDR; You are not playing up to your standards, in a game where you can basically guarantee your survival during the nights by playing really pro-town. This would be the best game to play so. You are not doing it, therefore you are scum. | ||
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I have explained this already, wtf is wrong with you Palmar? You are intentionally twisting my words around. | ||
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That's basically my point regarding Oats. There is a difference in his town and scum play. It has nothing to do with if he is making sense or not. He basically is an asshole as town. He makes a lot more sense as scum and he is more careful. That does not apply to you, or me, or BH for example. What you have said so far does not make you town. Whatever you do on D1, even if you lynch scum, does not make you town. You know it and yamato should know it too. That's what's wrong in his read on you. Is it so hard to understand? | ||
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On October 01 2013 23:07 Oatsmaster wrote: So rayn, palmar's scum and town meta are the same? No they are not. It's the fact that in this game scum can also genuinely scumhunt. He is scumhunting to some extent, but not up to his normal town play. | ||
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On October 01 2013 23:10 Palmar wrote: I have no idea what you're saying. Let me try to wrap my head around it. You're saying that your read on Oats/VE is legit because it's a meta read. You're saying yamato's read on me is not legit because it's based on me making sense. Even if we ignore how insane the above is (especially now that yamato flipped town) it's also factually incorrect. Yamato never explained what his read on me was based on as far as I remember, I don't recall him saying I'm town because I make sense. It was literally this: So how do you know he didn't just.. you know actually read the thread and figure the right answer out? I never assumed anything about why yamato called you town. That's why i said the read on you was surreal. | ||
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Some players however (as i pointed out, for example you, me and BH) can probably "fade out" those differences because as there are multiple scumteams, they can legitmately scumhunt. That's why it's hard to have a townread on people like us. It's basically impossible (barring some circumstances - which apply to for example WoS). That's what i am saying and i don't understand why do i have to explain that to a bright guy like you for fucking 10 times. | ||
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On October 02 2013 00:25 Grackaroni wrote: Rayn why are you less aggressive this game? Because i am demotivated from Golden Sun. Purely because of that. | ||
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On October 02 2013 00:48 Palmar wrote: So if you're demotivated, why don't we just lynch you, thus you don't have to try to convince anyone your reads are genuine, and you don't have to play. Deal? You can lynch me if people promise to lynch you on D3 in case i flip town. Deal? | ||
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ShioPi is scum. Purely for this: On October 02 2013 01:03 ShiaoPi wrote: well got to go soon, hoped to catch solstice or Mr.CC in thread as well but whatever. Get off FT and VA and go lynch Mr.CC instead How did this part of his long post on Hiro got buried? I am totally a viable lynch candidate so why the fuck shoot me instead of lynching?? The longer posts he did were all on easy candidates, but still I cannot wrap my head around why he wants to shoot me instead of lynching, makes zero sense. ##Vote: Mr.Cheesecake Why would you say you are a lynch candidate if you are town. There is no reason to. Inherent guilt. Also he is afraid of getting shot by another scumteam. Next... | ||
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Palmar, ShiaoPi, hiro, Pandain, FT, SnB and maybe Grack scum. I am not entirely sure of FT, SnB and Grack. Palmar is in a team with Pandain and someone who is not FT/SnB. If SnB is scum he is definitely not in a team with Palmar. Not with ShiaoPi aswell. Or Grack. Grack and PAlmar have been on each other's throats like usually, the difference is they are just insulting each other, not trying to get each other lynched. Notice Grack has had a scumread on Palmar for like the whole game and has done nothing about it. Probably he is scum and one of FT/SnB is town. | ||
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On October 02 2013 01:44 WaveofShadow wrote: Catching up, but I gotta say I feel pretty good about Palms being town. 3 pages back atm. Rayn, I am not letting you off the hook. Your reads on me have been weird as shit this game----you gave up your original tunnel pretty quick, then tried to get back on it after the first day and then just got off again? Sick =/= explanation. Let's hear it. I forgot the one post that made you town. You can lynch me, no probs. Just lynch Palmar D3 and then the rest of my list. | ||
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On October 02 2013 01:55 Grackaroni wrote: hahaha Rayn I'm like confirmed town. Nah you have recycled my reasons in why Palmar is scum and have done nothing else about it. Also he's not attacking you but me because i am not scum withg him and you probably are. | ||
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On October 02 2013 01:57 WaveofShadow wrote: VA: You always think you have games figured out even when you don't. Rayn I like that last post even if I don't necessarily agree with the reads. Find it difficult to believe you'd put that much thought into trying to actually determine both scumteams through association as scum, though I suppose that's predicated on whether those scumteams/reads make sense in relation to each other, which I haven't done the fact checking on. No martyring. If you're town I'm not lynching you and I'm not lynching Palmar. It would be nice to have a game where we both have solid townreads on each other for once---can you please try and discover what it was exactly that made you change your mind about me for the final time? That really confuses me. This post: On September 29 2013 02:36 WaveofShadow wrote: I can't Rayn. I am not making it up, but I honestly cannot tell you. If that makes me scum so be it. I thought i commented on it but apparently i didn't. This was exactly the answer i was looking for. You are not making up bullshit reasons but saying "i have no idea, something was fucked up with me". | ||
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On October 02 2013 02:06 WaveofShadow wrote: VAYNE YOU FUCKING IDIOT. (ADHOMADHOMADHOMADHOM) You said 'I'll ahve this game figured out.' You always say shit like 'My D1 reads are always accurate.' So based on my observances of you I make a statement that that is false. Do you need me to come over to your house and spell it out with fucking fisher price letters? Holy balls you are infuriatingly obtuse. Vayne's reads are really good on D1 when he is town. | ||
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On October 02 2013 02:10 WaveofShadow wrote: HAHA No, that's not quite it but I do think you and I are on the same page with this one. I know exactly what I was thinking at the time and I'm thinking maybe you might have caught on too. Problem is, I'm not entirely sure why that constitutes a townread of me. You are not being bullshitty but genuine instead. If you are fooling me so be it but i think you are not. | ||
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On October 02 2013 02:26 Oatsmaster wrote: what the fuck rayn I asked you to explain this. What reason is there to say that you are a lynch candidate if you are scum? There is no reason to. SO YOU DON'T GET SHOT! | ||
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On October 02 2013 03:29 austinmcc wrote: Don't want to lynch FT or ShiaoPi. Happy with Koshi, Solstice, probably CR, possibly Pandain. ##vote: s0Lstice Hiro, could you share some thoughts on people who aren't FT and ShiaoPi? Maybe take a look at rayn/palmar arguing, a peek at CR, and whatchoo thinkin' bout solstice? Now wtf is this... That's like, no... austin? | ||
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Another guy is here and posts all his reads, types all the time. GJ lynch fuckers. | ||
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On October 03 2013 02:18 Oatsmaster wrote: I say we lynch Palmar. What do you guys think? Very good idea. | ||
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On October 03 2013 02:45 Grackaroni wrote: Koshi totes VT. Check Hiro IMO So you and Palmar can keep on calling me scum? Nah.. | ||
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On October 05 2013 00:28 austinmcc wrote: And scum only defend scumbuddies! They never defend townies. Trying not to play the "toss everything Palmar says on the scummy pile" game, but this statement is just lazy/bad/anti-town. I guarantee you FT doesn't have magical powers where his being alive prevents people from posting, from reading, from doing anything. If he survives another 18,000 nights, we'll all have the capacity to read and post. I am not saying it's definitely so that FT is SnB's scumbuddy. I was pointing out the incorrect statement from Pandain that there is a possible conncetion. | ||
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On October 05 2013 00:43 austinmcc wrote: I have one in particular in mind. One of the dudes on the player list. So should we in your opinion discuss them -- Koshi? In case you are right one of them has to be mafia right? | ||
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On October 05 2013 00:46 Pandain wrote: Lets not talk about cop claims except to say no one has really claimed cop. Palmar I picked up on Koshi too but why mention it? He obviously didn't get shot by scum last night so why bring it to their attention? Because it was so obvious noone could have possibly missed it. And yeah, he has basically claimed cop. | ||
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On October 05 2013 00:49 Pandain wrote: No he didn't stop spreading this lie tell me where he said FT is town I have not said SnB called FT town. Mafia usually tends to not call their scumbuddies town, they tend to call someone else scummier. Look at SnB's filter and his arguments on FT -- ShiaoPi, if you can't see that as defending FT by proxy then i dunno what to tell you.. | ||
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On October 05 2013 00:51 Pandain wrote: Except apparently scum did. Maybe scum team is bad? Why point it out. I see you using it to indirectly justify a town read on Rayn but he isn't getting lynched so there was no reason to talk about it. That's a major reason Austin is town to me for downplaying it I am talking about his claim this phase, not on N2. Why do you think everyone thinks Palmar is scum but noone is actyually willing to lynch him? | ||
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On October 05 2013 00:54 Pandain wrote: Because a palmar lynch is bad Why? Why the fuck everyone says so? Scum lynch is good. | ||
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On October 05 2013 00:54 austinmcc wrote: Because people look at their original reads and think they must be right. Like VE's "less townie" on Palmar, I think people liked his early play and aren't taking a fresh look at his play in full. Personal theory. Yeah, i think you are right. Palmar has done absolutely nothing to help the town this game. | ||
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On October 05 2013 00:58 Koshi wrote: Oh and rayn is 100%. I am keeping 1 townie a secret. Dnu why. Fucking wasting every blue role I get D: No this is good because you can bus yourself. You guys should have both bussed on N1. :D | ||
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On October 05 2013 01:16 WaveofShadow wrote: Palmar didn't help town a great deal in LXI either and was a lot of the reason people were all over him all game (aside from the triple cop claim caper). That's not really true. He agreed with people who made logical arguments (mainly me & Sharrant from what i remember) and the marv&geript stuff threw him totally off. | ||
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On October 05 2013 01:34 WaveofShadow wrote: I don't really find Cheese suspicious. Me neither. I mean i don't remember anything he has said and that makes him probably town. Also PAndain's case on Vayne is really bad. Vayne has said a lot of cool stuff in this game. | ||
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On October 05 2013 04:40 VayneAuthority wrote: ?? we just played golden sun where I tried to get you killed all game until doctor claim lol Actually you didn't until i started calling you scum. You agreed with me until that point, besides on BH. :p Austin; There was something CR said at the start of the game that made me have a strong town read on him. I can dig that up later. | ||
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On October 05 2013 05:31 VayneAuthority wrote: you should absolutely vest, we need both of you alive or to at least eat double stacks to finish this game Do you think the game is not gonna finish if we die? :D | ||
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On October 05 2013 05:31 Koshi wrote: Need to find the last Banger. Prior 1 Do you think he is a banger rayn? I dunno. I'll look through Palmar's & SnB's filters tomorrow morning. | ||
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On October 05 2013 05:37 VisceraEyes wrote: You speak like the last member on his team. But to your credit, you're about here now. You know i was seriously just about to quote Justin Bieber to tell where you are.:DX | ||
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On October 05 2013 05:46 WaveofShadow wrote: So if SnB/Palmar were bussing hardcore do we think 3rd Motor banger whatever was too? Worth thinking about? I think it's the opposite. That would be really dumb. Trust me, i know what i am talking about and how that ends *cough* Catch 22 *cough*. :D | ||
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On October 05 2013 05:50 WaveofShadow wrote: I was thinking that but I don't know if we really have a way of knowing. Rayn why are you so chummy with me? With all of the other suspicion toward me going around atm I would expect you of all people to be all over that. Especially since you started out the game with me as scum. I dunno, you have said some stuff that i would not expect to come from town!WoS lately. But you are definitely on top of my list atm. | ||
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Solstice i know it's weird. I have been wanting to lynch Palmar all game and have been called scum for it by half of the people. Funny. I dunno why you should be considered scummy. | ||
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On October 05 2013 05:56 VayneAuthority wrote: Austin is capable of good scum games and it would explain his s0lstice obsession. he hasn't commented on other lurkers like cheesecake really. also pandain is basically confirmed other team scum, I was right at the beginning in thinking that wasn't fake. palmar claimed motor city banger and pandain came in and said he's from the opposite scum team. More on why pandain is scum when you know what happens Actually lol.. I already forgot about that. That's a pretty fucking interesting theory. | ||
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On October 05 2013 01:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Pandain is also scum, most likely. He's been going so hard against the thread sentiment it's unbelieveable. Like nothing anyone else says makes sense to him... How's that possible? This. | ||
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Also Grackaroni is a good place to look into, he was killed for a reason, most likely because he was after Palmar with me but Palmar didn't call him scum like he did call me. There could be more though. | ||
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Koshi said cops have not shot anyone. Cops have also confirmed me and VE as town. Please read. | ||
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This game has been so weird. :D | ||
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On October 05 2013 09:33 VisceraEyes wrote: RAAAH RAAH AH AH AHH RAAH MAAA RAMAH AAH GAAAH GAAAH OOH LAA LAAAH Are we singing this together in... let's say... 3,5 hours? | ||
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But you are wrong, none of the teams is loaded. | ||
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On October 05 2013 09:42 VayneAuthority wrote: 5 KP and 3 members vs 3 KP and 1 member ^^ loaded by comparison. about as strong a game as scum could have at this point There is no 3 KP this night. Team 1 = 1kp N1 + 1 kp N2 Team 2 = 0kp N1 + 2kp N2 Neither of the teams can have 2 KP this night. | ||
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I'll make a post tomorrow about the scum people. | ||
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On October 05 2013 12:00 Pandain wrote: What I've literally been town this whole game I didn't do shit in noir and bussed a lot I'm sorry i can't stop laughing when reading this, just because regardless of anything it sounds so hilarious. :D | ||
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On October 06 2013 22:07 Koshi wrote: The ambulance on Hiro day 1 is maybe the least likely. We never even considered that. | ||
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On October 06 2013 23:27 Koshi wrote: These rayn tests are getting a bit too easy. Yet Oats fails the test horribly. :D | ||
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On October 07 2013 00:27 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: s0lstice idc about rayn he is being useless fuck. Useless fuck who's been trying to lynch scum from the start of the game, unlike many other people. | ||
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On October 07 2013 00:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: s0lstice already shot SnB... he can't shoot again? Or am i wrong about that SnB was N2 shot. There is a dude who fakeclaim a cop and you shoot someone else? | ||
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Koshi basically claimed on N2. Anyone not retard saw that. | ||
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On October 07 2013 00:46 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Rayn where did he "claim on n2" that any retard could see. He basically told the thread he is going to shoot me. | ||
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On October 03 2013 02:22 Koshi wrote: Oh hi rayn. Imagine I am a cop and I can confirm you tonight. Would you like me to do it so the entire town knows you are town? On October 03 2013 02:23 Koshi wrote: You will be called bad instead of scum, but everybody will know it comes from town rayn. A gift from me to you. Totally a "breadcrumb". TOTALLY! This is TOTALLY a breacrumb. AT LEAST THSI IS TOTALLY MORE LIKELY TO BE A "NICE BREADCRUMB" THAN A CLAIM! omfg, don't let this game turn into another Noire. | ||
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Confirming me resulted in lynching Palmar. Confirming Oats resulted in non-Oats lynch. Unless Oats is scum with Koshi, it makes no sense. And even the it doesn't make sense to fakeclaim cop when it's not needed. Solstice on the other fucked up and had no other option. | ||
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It's like saying someone must be mafia because they want to "kill" people instead of "lynching". And you have not tried to figure this game out either. On October 07 2013 03:49 s0Lstice wrote: Talk to me about how your characterization makes a clear distinction between blue and scum. Wtf is this bullshit? | ||
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On October 07 2013 03:58 WaveofShadow wrote: Simple scenario is daaaa best The only thing I have trouble with now + Show Spoiler + (aside from why did a scum solstice bother doing this in the first place----probably impatience imo because I imagine it's ridiculously nerve-wracking when your survival is entirely out of your own hands---oh wait I know about that survivor lololol) I think both scumteam sacced KP last night? That was the wisest thing for them. Apparently not though, as VE was shot and solstice telephoned CC (unless they are both in the same scumteam, but that's practically impossible). lol, dumb scum. I have a theory on Solstice's actions, but it doesn't really matter, because we'll lynch him either way. | ||
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Lynches were FT & Palmar, maybe Vayne (but not for real). Confirming me opened a venue to lynching Palmar as i can be trusted. So Koshi is not scum with him. Why would one of the three man scum team claim scum when Koshi did, as Vayne (from the lynch candidates) COULD be scum with him, noone else. And Vayne was the worst lynch D3. | ||
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On October 07 2013 04:08 WaveofShadow wrote: Rayn can you explain to me why you didn't bother playing the game until your butt buddy Koshi came under fire? I have tried to lynch Palmar every single day in this game. If you guys do not listen to me, then i can't do anything about it. | ||
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On October 07 2013 04:13 WaveofShadow wrote: After the Palmar lynch where were you? What do you mean? Why should i be here on night phase? I put on vest and that's it. I live unless double stacked. I also told i think Pandain is scum and should be lynched next. Obviously that changed after the sol claim. | ||
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Austin/Pandain/Solstice/Mr.CC. There we have our 4 scum.Just need to get rid of them. | ||
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On October 07 2013 05:35 s0Lstice wrote: VE, being a nervous and unsure blue does not affect the convictions I have in my own reads. I was convinced CC was scum. This fact remains the same whether I'm green or blue. The distinction is what I do with the blue actions and the blue role in general. These are not mutually exclusive ideas. They run parallel not opposite. So because CC didn't claim scum to you he must be town? Right. | ||
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On October 07 2013 05:38 austinmcc wrote: Why? Don't be lazy. Why do you think it's bad? BECAUSE WE LOSE KOSHI ON THE NEXT NIGHT 100%! That's removing confirmed townies for a fucking KP in a game where people have vests.. | ||
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On October 07 2013 05:41 austinmcc wrote: Why is losing Koshi bad? If we lose Koshi, we 100% know solstice's alignment. WHY IS HAVING THE WHOLE SITUATION RESOLVED A BAD THING? You are fucking idiot because when we lynch Solstice and he is scum we have me + Oats as confirmed town aswell. Besides Koshi. And we lynched scum. Your game is falling apart. | ||
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On October 07 2013 08:05 austinmcc wrote: Couple things. The landscape has somewhat changed during D4. He's looked reasonable today, and I don't think scum super needs to be reasonable right here given how everything is going. Given that you're townie and I NEED you on board to push something other than a cop lynch, because of how thread is structured right now, I don't have conviction on WoS scum to fight you over that. The two factions also make it difficult to push WoS scum. If solstice is the cop, WoS is town. If koshi is the cop, then koshi and rayn are town, they seem to have no interest in pushing WoS, they seem to HAVE interest in lynching me eventually, so I need to...build consensus on something else before pushing WoS if I still have him on my scumlist. If that makes sense. Either he's town, or town thinks I'm mafia and he's town. For right now, that's NOT the read to push, and I need to find common ground OR bust heads harder, and then solve WoS later (unless he REALLY sticks out as 3rd banger). So you are not trying to solve the game but give out reads that suit you the best? Like, "i can convince people this guy is scum, but not this guy". How does that make any sense? | ||
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If we do not kill either of them, Koshi will be either shot or there will be no confirmed townies (in case scum leave him alive). Again we are going to be guessing on the next day, even if we lynched scum today. | ||
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How about you tell us who is scum from outside me/Oats/Koshi? | ||
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On October 08 2013 00:26 s0Lstice wrote: Which do you think put more effective, convincing distance between the two players involved? Was I putting hiro in danger? Would ANYBODY think that he and I were linked after my early actions? Exactly. Nah, Pandain is the last guy alive from the other team. They shot BH on N1, because Pandain wants to kill BH always for no reason. Then you shot SnB and hiro on N2, probably thought they were vice versa (SnB town -> lynch Palmar the next day, and hiro scum from another team). Palmar wanted to get rid of grack because he was calling him scum, and Palmar had a "scumred" on me already. It's pretty easy to conclude how these things went. | ||
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Koshi, you shoud prolly shoot Pandain next night. He has to sac KP in case he wants to survive. | ||
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On October 08 2013 00:33 Pandain wrote: I like it Rayn you got me Yeah i know. I'll all scum before i die this night. Actually i prolly won't because they'll shoot Koshi. :D | ||
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Not necessarily. Other scumteam does not know what he does for real. Pandain has to vest himself. Either way, in case Koshi dies, Pandain dies too, or there will be 2 KP and Pandain is confirmed town. So we trade 1-1 and/or have less suspicious people with same amount of conf-townies. | ||
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On October 08 2013 00:37 Koshi wrote: I just don't understand you. Like, if I was scum I was always on the 3 man team (you confirmed this earlier). So if you are a cop, why not contact me, why contact CC? Because it seems you were certain about both me and CC? And we are in the same scumteam, and you knew rayn was in our team. Why not simple shoot me, and then say: "oh hi guis, I am cop, Koshi obviously isn't, his teammates are 100% CC and 85% rayn". That would actually make sense if you were a cop. If you are scum why am i on your team? | ||
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We do not know what motivation Solstice had to contact Mr.CC. But it doesn't matter. What matters is that when he DID contact him, he HAD to claim cop because that was his only option. Also he did not counter-claim Koshi in the first place, and let him run around "confirming" townies. That's all the evidence we need. He is mafia. | ||
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On October 08 2013 00:44 austinmcc wrote: He did NOT have to claim cop. He had the option of saying CC was lying. Yes but if you fight against Mr.CC rather than Koshi, the cop is confirmed and so are the townies. | ||
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The point is what Solstice did, it is what he should have done if he was a cop. We can't know his (teams) reasons for scum motivation, but there is zero town motivation for his actions. | ||
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On October 08 2013 00:51 austinmcc wrote: Solstice the MCB doesn't care. He's one man. He's all alone, like VE was with the bear earlier. You're saying that solstice, as the last man on his scumteam, would go for the play where he puts suspicion on koshi's townies for a day BUT GETS 1000000% KILLED. He absolutely loses if he goes for this play. If he calls out cc, he fights against cc rather than koshi, has confirmed townies lying around, but he doesn't 100000% die. If he's the one-man team, not 10000% dying is better than having a harder lategame. Solstice is from the 3 man team. Pandain is the last banger dude. | ||
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Living players: Koshi, VisceraEyes, Mr. Cheesecake, Oatsmaster, raynpelikoneet, Chairman Ray, WaveofShadow, VayneAuthority, austinmcc, Pandain, s0lstice Koshi has confirmed me/VE/Oats. That leaves; Solstice, austin, WoS, VA, CR, Pandain, Mr.CC Three of those are scum. You have to have an educated guess on three people, who to contact, what kinda response do you get (maybe they team with you, maybe not), how to proceed. When the scumteam of three people left has all the alignments clear, the game becomes much easier for them, even if they lose on player. Who to push, what to expect to happen. In this gmae scum do not have all the information and situations change. That's also why Pandain is scum, he reacts to situation changes in a different way than townies do. His reads change for no real reasoning based purely on what happened the last night and what players flipped. Townies keep their story straight, Pandain doesn't. | ||
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On October 08 2013 01:00 WaveofShadow wrote: Are you suggesting we lynch Pandain today then? There are quite a few people who want the last MCB dead. No i want Koshi to shoot Pandain for what i said earlier. It makes the game again easier for us. | ||
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On October 08 2013 01:08 WaveofShadow wrote: Alright so then you and I are on the same page, at least regarding today/Solstice. I seem to remember Vayne being on that page as well, though I'm slightly disconcerted with his fucking off for the day. Vayne is cool. He's been consistent the whole game. He writed good posts and his train of thought has been solid the whole game. He's pretty likely town. | ||
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On October 08 2013 01:10 WaveofShadow wrote: Ehhhhhh I'd be real careful with that. Have you seen scumVayne? Yes, Vayne does stuff that gives him away as scum. He's wishy-washy about lynches and shit. It's true that he could be scum but i highly doubt. As scum he is active and uses other people's credit as his own (in lynches and shit). I don't see it here. | ||
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On October 08 2013 01:15 WaveofShadow wrote: He does it as scum too if I remember correctly. Gonna go look at Les Mis. From Golden Sun i remember he made some. He dropped them when he was being called dumb for it (your kill on N1). SK fit in his scumplay better as town didn't really know what happened. If Vayne was town he would not have let that go as his ego would be against it. After i brought up the "no SK" -theory he just went with it because i think he realized he could not contest it. | ||
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On October 08 2013 01:15 WaveofShadow wrote: I thought this too, sorta, but I don't think they necessarily need to be on the same team. Essentially If they are on same team, it's way more suspicious of Austin to be hardcore soft-defending solstice all day by trying to move the lynch. If different teams then he knows his method won't do anything, he can say whatever he wants, opposite scum still gets lynched and Austin gets an A for effort. That's pretty WIFOMy. Also Austin's defence and "let's not kill either of them" makes zero sense. | ||
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On October 08 2013 01:20 WaveofShadow wrote: Yeah he talks about NKs all the time as scum. His analysis wasn't nearly as heavy in that game but imo there was less to analyze. It's not indicative imo. Plus overall it's very difficult to meta Vayne aside from the playing like ass = town, playing well = scum thing he usually has going. Issue I have is this game he's had his share of both. But his analysis are different as scum. I can't really explain it, i just know it. :D I can try if you really want to. | ||
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On October 06 2013 05:13 austinmcc wrote: Shoop da woop. Koshi, you were serious about shooting Oats? As in, he's either town or SCUM, AHEAD OF TIME, USED KP TO PUT A VEST ON HIM? Also, we need two things. Anyone who got shot needs to claim. We count claims, expect POSSIBLE fakes, and lynch some scum today. Are you scum too by your own definition? | ||
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On October 08 2013 02:08 s0Lstice wrote: welp. looks like its about that time. <3 ahahahah | ||
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On October 08 2013 02:10 VayneAuthority wrote: if solstice is last banger then I will re-read austin. my scumread of austin is based on s0lstice/austin scum together +1 | ||
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There are better possible lynches if Sol is the last banger dude. And him possily living through the lynch is not playing against his wincon. | ||
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On October 08 2013 02:20 WaveofShadow wrote: Solstice! <3<3<3 My fucking reads are shit bad this game, but thank you for at least making me feel better about keeping my vote on you. you played the counterclaim pretty fucking fantastically I gotta say. I guess you can't give away motivation for doing what you did in the first place? You just need to listen to me this game. While i do not post as much as usual i make 100% sense. | ||
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On October 08 2013 02:20 s0Lstice wrote: I'm listening.. Do your thing and I'll vote where I vote. No, the deal is only on the table if you tell us your night actions. | ||
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On October 08 2013 02:24 WaveofShadow wrote: OO intrigue. This bartering is pretty fucking interesting right here. I'm not so sure I'd go in for it though tbh----I mean Solstice I <3 u and all but I have trust issues. It's not you it's me. You are gonna go with it if you are town. It'll help us as Solstice essentially needs to do what we tell him to. | ||
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On October 08 2013 02:28 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: This seems risky to negotiate with mafia. Especially considering he could be part of either team, we can't trust him. On October 08 2013 02:28 austinmcc wrote: ARAM and also writing I post where I tell you that you can make SENSE with your pushes/reads but they can still be wrong. But I don't like the way it comes out, really, and it's not currently helpful to finding scum. You two, explain to me how is negotiating with Solstice harmful to the town? | ||
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On October 08 2013 02:33 austinmcc wrote: You were scummy on both ShiaoPi and FT. Voted them D2, were willing to vote FT D3. However, you were scummy on palmar, and seemed mixed on oats which is alright. To the extent you're pushing me, you're wrong again. To the extent you're pushing pandain scum and VA town, i THINK you're wrong, but we'll have to see flips. Only people i have been pushing this game are Palmar, Pandain, Solstice and WoS. I have never pushed you. Why are you forgetting my WoS push in the beginning of the game? WoS; When/If Solstice gives us info we analyze if it makes sense or not, and act on that. I am not saying we automatically trust him lol. | ||
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On October 08 2013 02:09 s0Lstice wrote: sorry for putting you through that Koshi, i had to do SOMETHING <3 But this post supports he in fact is... | ||
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On October 08 2013 02:52 VayneAuthority wrote: and austin looks better if s0lstice is banger because I have a scumread on him for defending pandain and mentioning s0lstice so much when there are other lurkers. so if they arent a team of 3 together then it softens my scumread on austin. Okay this is pretty bad reasoning because it does not make sense. It makes sense the other way around as scum will get town credit for lynching scum. | ||
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On October 08 2013 02:54 s0Lstice wrote: gimme a bit im still turning over possibilities. what is the plan if I agree? If we can figure out a better lynch (that is scum) for this phase you get to live and shoot scum during nights and every time you do so we do not lynch you. | ||
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On October 08 2013 02:59 s0Lstice wrote: in this scenario, other team is going to be forced to kill me right off the bat if i'm potentially throwing kp their way. i'm trying to see if this actually leads to a chance to win for me. Better chances than dying today. | ||
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On October 08 2013 03:00 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm sort of curious myself. If solstice is a banger couldn't he theoretically lie and say he's not since our goal is inevitably to lower KP? Or am I not considering something? If he says he is not a banger we lynch him. If he is not he is 100% our best chance to hit mafia, noone comes even close. | ||
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On October 08 2013 03:00 austinmcc wrote: It doesn't mean MUCH. 100% agree there. But boy howdy it sure looks like I might have made posts on solstice earlier. It looks like we had interactions. Maybe someone interested in figuring out my alignment would look at them. Yeah, i also thought SnB and Palmar were not in the same team. Oh boy how wrong was i. | ||
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On October 08 2013 03:06 austinmcc wrote: Get fooled by mafia once, shame on mafia. Get fooled by mafia once, respond by refusing to look at certain information that may be generally useful in determining alignments, shame on you. Old saying. Yup. They were on the same team. Doesn't make information worthless. Of course, that's why i am not looking only into interactions between certain players. I am looking for their effort in pushing lynches and if the lynches make sense (like, how Palmar was definitely scum in this game). | ||
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On October 08 2013 03:06 WaveofShadow wrote: Wat. So now we don't care about reducing KP tonight? No if the KP becomes town!KP + we get valuable info. | ||
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On October 08 2013 03:08 s0Lstice wrote: i dunno rayn this just doesnt feel right. action means i'm fucking one faction. inaction means im only fucking myself. and to boot i dont really see a REAL path to victory by helping one side or the other. think im gonna sit out. So you are not even gonna try? Fine. I would have expected more from you. :/ | ||
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On October 08 2013 03:15 s0Lstice wrote: No. I can't win. It's basically impossible so I'd rather sit out. Well GG! I would have lynched you anyways. :D Mr.BigPlays WaveofShadow, why did you think i was gonna let guaranteed mafia live regardless of what he says? Scared of something? Same goes for Austin and to some extent Vayne. Scum there? | ||
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On October 08 2013 03:19 WaveofShadow wrote: Not entirely because CC could still be baller if Solstice MCB Sucks for CC he lynches scum and still goes under the microscope. Although i guess it's the same for you Austin. lol these 2x scumteam games----you can be a town hero and people dont (and shouldn't) give a shit WoS explain this? | ||
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On October 08 2013 03:21 austinmcc wrote: Don't care. Asked pandain why he was thinking about it because i DO care about his answer. Plus, the only way to call someone is to explain there's no hope. Then nobody's gonna say anything weird or give themselves up Why did you guys actually think i would not lynch Solstice? Why in the world would you think so? Why the fuck would i do that as town? Why would anyone do that as town? We had a chance of getting info from him, you guys didn't even try. You know, you can lie in this game.... As town... | ||
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I am now confirmed town. Why would i NOT try to get ALL THE INFO I POSSIBLY CAN from guaranteed scum? What's the harm? Why are you questioning my motives? | ||
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I don't believe you because you are scum. :D | ||
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On October 08 2013 03:41 WaveofShadow wrote: Nah just being logical, Rayn. Solstice isn't dumb and neither am I. tbh WoS, that's not a reason to try. 90% of my "traps and shit" will not work. But if i succeed even in 1/100 it's worth it. You don't lose by making mistakes, you lose by not trying to do everything you can to kill scum. | ||
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On October 08 2013 03:42 austinmcc wrote: Hey WoS, Do you think s0lstice is dumb? Yeah i also thought Ace is not dumb in NWM.... | ||
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On October 08 2013 03:44 WaveofShadow wrote: True, which is why I didn't flat out say RAYN AMG NEVER LIE AS TOWN WTF because I've seen you make it work. Doesn't mean a) I caught on to you doing anything b) Even had I caught on, I'd lie along with you. I supported your attempt to try and get information out of Solstice, but i expressed myself in that I said I didn't think he had any reason to comply. Don't really see the problem. That's bad WoS. When Sol effectively claimed scum, you should have thought "what are rayn's intentions? Okay, he is town, what is he trying to do? Why?" This is even more clear situation for other townies than it was in NWM (where i understand people fucked up -- or reacted in a way i was not expecting -- because of paranoia). There was no possible paranoia in this one. Because you guys can be sure i am town! | ||
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Whenever you guys play with me, for fucks sake think about why i say what i do. First of all, that's how you will find out my alignment. Second, when i am town and you realize what i am actually doing you get a certain townread on me and we can hold hands and shit and destroy scum. In this case there was not a single scum!motivation for my actions because i am confirmed town. The only question is; "why would town!rayn do this?". Am i dumb? Well if you believe so, then your responses are acceptable (or if you guys are dumb). The problem is i do not think either of you -- WoS/Austin/Vayne -- are dumb. Another problem is you all very well know i do crazy stuff sometimes. The third problem is not each one of you even thought what would my town!motivation be, while it was pretty clear. That's why Pandain gets many many townie points for this, and you guys get many many scumpoints. CC gets AFK-when-shit-goes-on-points. | ||
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On October 08 2013 03:56 VayneAuthority wrote: i dont give a shit about your intentions because it doesn't line up with my morals. so you do not want scum to "scumslip" either? lol dude... | ||
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On October 08 2013 03:57 Koshi wrote: Please tell me why you ambulanced Hiro night 1 Koshi, if you read the last 2 hours -- and be honest -- can you see what i was trying to do? | ||
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On October 08 2013 04:00 VayneAuthority wrote: what? there is no inconsistency here, I have never supported dirty/cheap play and never will. That's the end. I don't play to win at all costs. If you call this play cheap/dirty you probably should not play mafia. | ||
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On October 08 2013 04:00 WaveofShadow wrote: Sorry Rayn, I'm not adjusting the way I play specifically to look out for if/when you start lying about shit and trying to determine whether I'm going to fall into a tarp or anyone else should. I haven't caught on yet and I probably never will even if I did try. I just continue to assume, like most logical people, that town have no reason to lie about things, and that gets me through just fine. Well if you are town, you should't do that. There will always be reasons for townies to lie. | ||
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On October 08 2013 04:02 Koshi wrote: Sorry. 60 pages so 1200 posts were needed and after that people were reliefed they were right. Got to respect rayn, VA and pandain for seeing through the bullshit instantly. There is a cop claim. Another dude claims after 2 phases (when he is outed if he is scum). That's it. Period. Fuck that was hard. | ||
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On October 08 2013 04:03 austinmcc wrote: Postgame Shut up, i am trying to figure out if you guys are scum or not. These kinda comments do not make you more town. | ||
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On October 08 2013 04:04 Koshi wrote: Ofc... Get scum who has more information spill it. Always smart. Should have offered him his life for N3 actions. Then lynch his ass. I need VE's and Oats' opinions on this too. And for fucks sake, do not lie. Not now. | ||
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When you come back, read pages 233-238 before anything else and give your opinion on my actions during those pages before reading anything else!!!! | ||
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On October 08 2013 04:06 VayneAuthority wrote: and this is why no one wants to play with rayn, when he has these moments of fucking full retard. makes me not want to play the game anymore by how annoying he is with this shit I expect people to do things in a certain way if they are town. I expect them to do things in some other way if they are scum. You do not find scum if you buy every explanation one gives to you. I look for what makes sense to you and what doesn't. I am not sure you guys are scum, i am trying to figure it out. Is this the time when you go into the ad hom mode because you can't defend yourself any other way? | ||
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On October 08 2013 04:12 VayneAuthority wrote: this is the part where I tell you are a dumbass for thinking that because I think you're a scummy shitbag of a player that resorts to cheap shit that it has something to do with my alignment, nothing pisses me off more then people that go after morals. If you expect me to take your towniness at face value everytime you don't want to do something because of morals you are playing a wrong game. There is nothing morally wrong in trying to make people out their info to you regardless of their affiliation. | ||
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On October 08 2013 04:16 VayneAuthority wrote: Hey and that's your opinion. But I have a VERY STRONG one in the other direction and I play whatever the fuck I want, thank you. There is plenty morally wrong in guaranteeing that you will help s0lstice then just taking info from him and killing him. Okay, let's stop this right now. I have seen your/Austin's/WoS' opinion already. I am not asking you anything regarding this. I am only asking VE/Oats opinion. This discussion is taking us nowhere. Who do you think are the remaining scum and why? | ||
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When you come back, read pages 233-238 before anything else and give your opinion on my actions during those pages before reading anything else!!!! | ||
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On October 08 2013 04:25 austinmcc wrote: My first game as DT was my only ban from the forum, because I compared role PMs with another DT-ish role. As a watcher I saw Sandroba kill marv in a game, didn't tell town, gave a huge townread on sandroba and tried to get him to give out more reads. The only game I've ever been mislynched, and I think one of only two times I've been lynched, I was a vet. I held onto that info til the last second cuz I thought I could swing the lynch. When I was Phoenix Wright, I ended up confirming a godfather as town, although they figured that out later. TWICE in PTPish games, I've rolled scum and only used my powers in a pro-town manner. Roles and I just don't seem to agree. There is nothing wrong in using your role "wrong". I claimed vet in Desert because i was sure there were not 2 vets and debears had "my role and had to be scum". There was a 3p vet and that fucked up the game for the town (not 100%, but still, i made myself useless). I thought i found scum. There is however a difference in using your role "wrong" and "completely wrong in a way that makes no sense", like Solstice did here. | ||
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Survived Lynched D1 Survived Killed N1 Survived Endgamed N1 Survived Lynched D1. :D | ||
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On October 08 2013 04:50 VisceraEyes wrote: What am I looking for here? What do you want my comment on? my actions towards Solstice. What do you think of them. | ||
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On October 08 2013 04:49 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: We don't have a QT, we are allowed to PM. Would you like me to paraphrase the rest of our PM log? It's not long. It contains one line I find interesting, and that's about it. Why would you not paraphrase that if it's interesting? | ||
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On October 08 2013 04:49 Pandain wrote: Me? Yes you. CC go! | ||
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On October 08 2013 04:53 VisceraEyes wrote: I think if s0Lstice were less intelligent it would have been a pretty clever way to try and get more information - as it stands though s0Lstice is clearly not dumb and it wasn't ever going to really work. Not to mention that no matter what he says or the circumstances, because he's not on our team we have to take everything he says with a grain of salt. Why are you asking? Like, do you just want affirmation that it wasn't totally retarded or something? I want confirmed townies opinion compared to WoS/Austin/Vayne who called it out in the first place aka. didn't even try. | ||
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On October 08 2013 04:53 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I asked why he payphoned me. s0lstice said something like this: "Abilities don't always work out the way you expect them to". I'm not sure what it means, or if it's complete WIFOM he's throwing me. haha lol. I know what this means most likely. | ||
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... seriously dude? Why does noone in this game think...? | ||
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Koshi who did you bus? | ||
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Yeah sol/CC outed you bussed last night. Who did you bus? Yourself and CC? | ||
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On October 08 2013 05:32 Koshi wrote: Yeah maybe. Kinda strange though. I still like the idea you (CC) are scum with s0lstice and the real banger contacted you guys. That makes no sense. | ||
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On October 08 2013 05:35 VisceraEyes wrote: It's just you and me tonight Rayn...we're both dead tomorrow, and I don't trust Austin/Wave for tonight. You and I have to figure out who the last Banger is. WoS/Pandain with a small chance of VA (i'd say, from top of my head). I'll look at it before the deadline and give my opinion. Now i gtg. | ||
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On October 08 2013 13:53 Pandain wrote: Where are you getting Austin scum? I think it's preposterous to say that WoS and Vayne are more town then Austin. No but they are. They are more town than you are too. | ||
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On October 08 2013 14:14 VayneAuthority wrote: rayn that doesnt matter bro, remember they used payphone last night. so that is not even possible at this point Not necessarily, if CC is scum. | ||
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On October 08 2013 14:22 Pandain wrote: No, you didn't answer my question. When it became evident FT was to become modkilled, votes could either go onto Palmar or Vayne. You voted Vayne. However you did not support that vote or argue for others to vote for Vayne. In essence you had a useless vote and useless voice on someone you were heavily sure was scum. Explain that please. So did you. | ||
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Because i remember him not pushing any lynch in Noire, only arguing against lynches and having his vote on "right places". In Golden Sun i remember HAVING to HAVE TO LYNCH MY 99% townread because some stubborn people would not believe others.. Hmm, which does this game look like? | ||
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On October 08 2013 15:07 austinmcc wrote: rayn. I will save anything else for postgame or postflip, but here. Go and read my filter. I pushed Palmar. If you look D3, there are OODLES of posts between Pandain and I. We agree FT is not scum. He wants to lynch VA, I want to lynch Palmar. Look through D3 and watch me push Palmar over FT, and push him pretty hard. I'm trying to get votes off FT way before the modkill nonsense came up, because I was on Palmar that whoooooole day and trying to drum up support FOR palmar, as well as trying to push people OFF FT. Go read N3 and the start of D4. I'm on Chairman Ray. He or WoS is the last MCB, as I see the world, and I start the day off with a CR vote and pushing CR. The cop stuff came around and turned the day into that, but: (1) I was pushing CR scum and CR last MCB during the night; (2) I was pushing CR scum, CR last MCB during the early day; and (3) it seems pretty clear that I was actually pushing to lynch CR over a cop claimer. While (3) wasn't getting traction, I was pushing it, and town would be in a better spot tonight if we HAD lynched CR (again, guaranteed 100% no MCB KP). You know who I pushed D1? NOBODY CUZ I WASN'T IN THE GAME YET You know who I pushed D2? NOT REALLY ANYONE CUZ I WAS CATCHING UP, but I DID make clear posts showing why I thought ShiaoPi and FT were town. If you think I haven't pushed ShiaoPi town, FT town, Palmar scum, oats town, CR scum this game, you're flat wrong and you haven't been reading. It's POSSIBLE that one reason you don't think I've pushed stuff is that I wasn't here at all for D1, and wasn't here for about half of D2. I can't be responsible for not pushing reads during time I wasn't even in the game yet. However, at EVERY CYCLE since I've been caught up, I've both pushed correct lynches and pushed AGAINST mislynches. Seriously. Just read my filter. Read my posts within the game context. Either, both. I can pull off probably 20 quotes from my/Grack's filter that say exactly same things about Palmar than your case. Also, as i just said, after SnB's flip, if you are scum, Palmar was probably town for you. Then, on D4. If you are town the idea of lynching CR over Solstice was absolutely horrible. If you are mafia your team has probably concluded that he is the last scum and you have a possibility to save Solstice / look good by "defending" him and pushing another scum. win-win. | ||
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On October 05 2013 00:43 austinmcc wrote: I have one in particular in mind. One of the dudes on the player list. austin who was this and why? | ||
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On October 08 2013 15:19 austinmcc wrote: ALSO IF YOU CAN PULL 20 POSTS FROM YOUR FILTER AND GRACK'S FILTER THAT SAY THE SAME THING I WAS SAYING THEN WHAT SHOULD THAT TELL YOU1?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? Like. You're town. Grack was town. IF I WAS PUSHING THINGS IN THE SAME WAY WHAT IS THE LIKELY CONCLUSION ABOUT MY ALIGNMEEEEEEEEEEEEEENT You had Palmar as town before SnB flipped. After that you started pushing him. Why only then? Like, his play was shit the whole D1 and D2. As shitty as N2 and D3. Why magically after SnB's flip you started pushing him? As i see this little thing called "he is probably town so i don't get killed by another scumteam next night and can safely push him" | ||
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On October 08 2013 15:31 austinmcc wrote: Cuz he continued to do nothing, and he started off D3 by arguing about the ShiaoPi/FT vote swap bit. If you read why I'm scummy on him, the amount of effort he puts into posting about something that matters as little as why he swapped his vote at the end of D2 really highlights the amount of effort he's NOT putting into scumhunting. That's what made Palmar scummy for me --> willing to focus on stuff that doesn't matter, not willing to focus on stuff that does. I can't factor that into a read until he actually makes those posts. But the fact is Palmar put zero effort into scumhunting on D1 and D2. D1 no effort Palmar should be enough to lynch. Immediately. | ||
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Scum don't want to call out other scum at the start of the game, even if they figure them out. Because the other team might kill you and you then effectively shit on each others bed. My problem is this: When SnB was killed the other scumteam HAS to assume Palmar is town, because the bus was so incredible. Then, magically then, you come up with this Palmar stuff, while on N2 you have him as fucking town. On D4, when there is a Solstice life on the line, you magically come up with Chairman Ray who is ABSOLUTELY MAFIA! Out of fucking nowhere. OUT OF FUCKING NOWHERE! That, sir, is a big problem in your play to me. | ||
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Austin did want to lynch outside the cops on D4. The plan was terrible. It was absolutely terrible. Read it again if you do not believe me. Terribad. Hell this dude even had his vote on Koshi. He did not know if Koshi or Solstice is mafia, he gives possible scumteams fo cop!Koshi, does not give them for cop!Solstice "because there were so much possible permutations". But still, despite those SO MANY permutations Chairman Ray has to be mafia. Has to be mafia over Solstice whose claim made absolutely zero sense. That's it, i don't give a fuck if Austin has lynched the other scumteam. It doesn't mean shit. What does mean shit is that he did not want to lynch Solstice and tried to push the lynch elsewhere. I don't give a fuck if the other guy was mafia, because it was a guy who was not in Solstice's team. It makes no sense, the plan was terrible. Austin is mafia. | ||
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The plan would have ensured both of Koshi & Solstice alive on D5. As Koshi would have been roleblocked / Solstice vested. Suddenly we have 1 confirmed town (VE) instead of 4 (me/VE/Koshi/Oats). Nobody can be trusted. Austin said we "remove KP by making Sol/Koshi vest or something". Right. We remove KP now too, unless mafia wants Koshi to confirm more townies / shoot scum. Same outcome, except that we have 4 conf-townies instead of 1. Bad plan, bad. | ||
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This is unbelieveable from a guy who can't tell which one of Koshi/Solstice is fakeclaiming. If you can't even tell from the claims Solstice is scum and Koshi is town you fucking can't possible tell from 10 people FOR SURE who is the last MBC. Unless you know who is not (your team), and who is town (confirmed) and have an educated guess on like ~3-4 people. That's so fucking simple. Nothing else makes sense. | ||
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On October 09 2013 00:22 austinmcc wrote: Essentially, if we lynch CR and scum uses an item on koshi/solstice, there would be 2-3 LESS KP tonight. At worst, we save 2-3 townies AND have solstice/koshi tomorrow. If they don't use an item, it saves 1-2 KP AND solstice/koshi resolves overnight. Explain to me, how the fuck would there be 2-3 KP less? ChairmanRay can now shoot. That's 1 KP less. Who is to say he is not dumb will not shoot into your team? How do Ballers have now more KP than they would have if Solstice was alive? Explain this. | ||
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On October 09 2013 00:38 VisceraEyes wrote: Rayn it makes sense. Look at it from a scum perspective If both cops are alive, then NEXT day, they BOTH have to still be alive in order for the lie not to be blown. In order to ensure that, they have to either Vest s0L or RB Koshi. And they'd have to spend KP to do it. We are close to lylo. Don't fucking blow this now VE. What Austin did makes zero sense. His explanation it makes zero sense. He has to be mafia. | ||
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On October 09 2013 00:39 VisceraEyes wrote: Because they can just SHOOT him rayn! He had to be alive as long as s0L was alive (because the scums want you to believe that s0L is the cop and Koshi mafia!) so now instead of blocking him, they can just shoot him because town KNOWS he's the cop now. IF THEY SHOOT HIM AND KOSHI SHOOTS SCUM IT'S 1-1 TRADE! If they do not want Koshi to kill mafia, they have to roleblock him. | ||
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If Solstice is alive IT'S BENEFICIAL TO MAFIA TO NOT KILL KOSHI! Now they HAVE to besically kill him. Fuck VE, why is this so hard. | ||
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Now people know WE ARE ABSOLUTELY 100% town! NOBODY NEEDS TO EVEN CONSIDER FOR A SECOND WE ARE SCUM! | ||
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On October 09 2013 00:46 VisceraEyes wrote: I get that, but understand this: The vast majority of town was on Koshi's side. VAST MAJORITY. Whether we killed s0L or not, that's a fact. If both s0L and Koshi were alive, it doesn't matter how much WIFOM there is about rayn/Oats/Koshi - MOST of town was going to be on our side. Also factor in rayn: s0L CLAIMED SCUM IN THE THREAD! HE WANTED TO DIE!! WHY DO YOU THINK THAT IS MAN? BECAUSE HE DIDN'T WANT US LYNCHING THE BANGER INSTEAD!! No VE, solstice was the main lynch candidate and the thread sentiment was going towards lynching him. I don't care why he claimed scum, as i do not know what scum thought, it's wifom. What i do know is that lynching him was the absolute best possible solution and he was clearly scum and Austin somehow "couldn't see it" and wanted to lynch someone else based on a sihtty plan which does not even hold water by his explanation. Koshi shoot Austin. | ||
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But if he can't even fucking tell which on of you / Solstice is scum from your claims he definitely can't tell for 100% CR is the last Banger. That's so unbelieveable, at least considering nearly everyone had a TOWN READ on CR! | ||
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THEN WHO THE FUCK IS SCUM BECAUSE EVERYONE ELSE WAS MAKING MORE OR LESS SENSE LAST DAY? | ||
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On October 09 2013 00:56 VisceraEyes wrote: You're misinterpreting his intentions. I don't think he couldn't tell which was the fake-claim. I don't think that's the case at all. I think he would have just rather lynched the last Banger. That was my intention. I could tell between the real and the fake claims, but I wanted to lynch the last Banger instead. REALLY VE REALLY? AUTIN HAD HIS VOTE ON KSOHI BEFORE SOLSTICE!!!! | ||
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On October 07 2013 02:38 austinmcc wrote: ##unvote ##vote: Koshi I am NOT certain that we should be lynching into these two, rather than having Koshi precision shot solstice tonight. If we could know that cop stuff wasn't going to dominaate the discussion forever, I like that idea. But this is in front of us and I don't think everyone will be able to get past it if we don't lynch into them today. | ||
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On October 09 2013 00:59 Koshi wrote: I don't know. But austin his idea wasn't the worst in the world if he was legitimatly doubting my claim. The funny thing is that ausin mentions s0lstice around 10-15 times in his filter. Always one-liners that say he might lynch s0lstice. And then after the claim he goes all "AMAGAD I THINK s0lstice is totes cop guis." When it was a forced cc for cop after failed payphone... Austin made zero sense. WaveofShadow was making 1000x more sense than Austin. VA never EVER doubted you over Solstice. Pandain had some wishy-washy comments. Mr.CC wanted to lynch Solstice, entertained the idea of not lynching into cops. That's what people did. | ||
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On October 09 2013 01:00 Koshi wrote: But then there is WoS who posted around 200 messages doubting my copclaim and still didn't figure it out 40 hours later... So yeah. yOU MISREAD EVERY SINGLE OF WOS' POSTS! He never took his vote off you, even if he doubted you he immediately went back to Occam's Razor and "lynch Solstice". You took like 10 of his posts out of context and said "WoS bad, WoS doubt me". | ||
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On October 09 2013 01:02 VisceraEyes wrote: Actually I did rayn, get your facts straight. I don't give a fuck what you did because you are town. I give a fuck about the fact that Austin can't tell which one of Koshi / Sol is mafia, but he can somehow tell CR is 100% scum!! It makes no fucking sense. + the fact that his "removing KP and being in a better position" is 100% bullshit. That's it. | ||
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WoS and other people who doubt the claims question Solstice and Koshi. Austin is just sitting there providing analysis. He is not trying to figure anything out, he just tells people "idk, but hey, let's do this". | ||
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On October 09 2013 01:07 VisceraEyes wrote: Rayn you're tunneled. Austin may be mafia, but not for his plan. We'll figure it out tomorrow because he'll certainly be alive regardless. I am tunneled because i know i am fucking right! I actually reread the thread for D4 because that was the most important phase in this game! | ||
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On October 09 2013 01:10 VayneAuthority wrote: need I remind people that s0lstice was a scum read for austin for a while but believes he could be cop when he claims, even after he just answered rayn that the other possible cop was me? but yea VE just keep trollin' bro its amusing rofl right.. | ||
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If there is anything to be gathered from BH's filter that is not accusing confirmed townies (by Koshi or by death -- lol BlazingHand), the only person he accuses of being scum is WoS. WoS why do you think BlazingHand was hit on N1 when drive-by is 100x better option? | ||
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Austin and Pandain scum. | ||
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D1: yamato scum. N1: oh shit yamato was town.. hmm.. need to come up with something new D2: FT scum N2: FT scum, some random townreads, some random scumreads with no explanation D3: Vayne scum, Palmar town. Suddenly in the middle of the day FT town, Palmar might be scum, but Vayne scum - doesn't push him. After that he has just been going with the thread sentiment, as there was the Koshi/Sol thingy. | ||
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"FT and Palmar are bad lynches, join my Vayne lynch, or at least lynch Solstice. Vayne does not play to his town or scum meta from some games. He is scum. Vayne has 8 pages of filter and is not saying much in his filter." *guess who had 14 pages of filter at that point and hadn't said at least more than Vayne* | ||
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Again, my townread on Pandain stems mostly mostly mostly from his D2. Really trying to push people off FT to no effect. And even when he HAS no effect, he's continuing to try and force it to happen. He's expending energy, posts, time, effort, into something that anyone outside the situation can see is having no impact on the thread. Scum almost never devote time/posts/energy into doing something that does nothing. If they want to do nothing, they do nothing. They don't post a crapton just to have no effect. This is entirely incorrect meta-read on Pandain. This is entirely incorrect meta-read on me aswell if i am scum. This is incorrect for certain people, especially for Pandain. | ||
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On October 09 2013 04:22 VayneAuthority wrote: the problem with players like VE and austin if they are town is they think effort = town and that's the end of it. I put wayyyy more effort in as scum then town because you have to. sigh that thinking. I know, this is retarded. If i do not have 20 pages of filter D1 i get called scum for it. Funny isn't it. :D | ||
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On October 09 2013 04:24 austinmcc wrote: Wanting to devote time to something that does nothing is fine, but I view that as falling into things like Ace or palmar arguing with you. Pandain trying to shift the lynch involves a lot of something, a lot of FT defending and a lot of VA attacking, but for no...no payoff. It's too much work to get nothing out of, and he continues long after it's dead. If I'm wrong on Pandain, okeedoke. But a heck of a lot of people were wrong on CR, and never bothered to go read his games. Read Noire and GS and you will see how wrong you are in Pandain's meta. When Pandain is town and wants something to happen he makes it happen, like in GS. I am probably the best person to say this because our playstyle is quite similar. He does what i did no longer than ~5 games ago. If i concluded someone is scum i pushed the lynch through. That's it, i didn't give a fuck who the other players in the game were or what they did think. That's what Pandain does as town. Look at Noire, Pandain "pushes things", how many things go through. Absolutely zero. | ||
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LOVE YOU GOOD COP! ##Vote: Chairman Ray | ||
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On October 09 2013 05:01 VayneAuthority wrote: playing by the book to his scum meta and austin refused to see it, lynch this scrubs ass Lynch the conf scum first! | ||
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I nominate Austinmcc for the following in Best Role Claim: Austinmcc had not been playing particularly stellar. He had coasted by until the endgame, but his team had already shafted him completely by D2 by conspicuously not hammering him D1 (and the fact that he was in a position to be hammered D1 says something about his play so far). Anyway, crazy stuff was happening and austin significantly picked up his play during most of D2. Being a PTP, pretty much everybody was dead by the time D3 rolled around and it was a 3-1-1 situation with the 3P already claimed, so just 1 more scum to find. Then this happened: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19064936 Austin claims scum. Terrible right? Except it was a stroke of genius. Kita was a known dayvig who had played anti-town all game. By claiming scum, austin could now freely post parts of the scumQT incriminating Kita, who had been masoned with another scum. He could also argue about how nightkill roulette with Xfire's amazing powers were a better bet than being stuck with an unstoppable dayvig the next day. It worked, Kita was lynched, and austin won the nightkill roulette! | ||
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On October 09 2013 05:25 austinmcc wrote: rayn. Does a team of CR/austinmcc/ANYONE make sense to you? Team Solstice/CR/anyone does not make sense to me. That means there is some clever mindfuck games going on -- Which you and WoS are most capable of. | ||
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This must be the truth. | ||
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If you guys are too dumb or scum to see it i can't help you. Which one of the non-confirmed townies (+Vayne) can give me reasons why? Now is your time to shine and gain some town credit. | ||
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You very well know what is wise and what is not as you have played in the clusterfuck Noire. | ||
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On October 09 2013 08:06 VisceraEyes wrote: Rayn if you must say something, explain to me why Vayne CANNOT be scum. The idea that you're willing to give unconfirmed town townie points for affirming your confirmation bias is fucking bad. Explain to me, now, why VA is 100% town to you. First of all, CR is scum. Second, Vayne is not scum with him. That is impossible given the interactions + Vaynes stance on Pandain. It is beneficial for the 3-man scumteam to sacrifice people over saving Pandain. It gives scum more KP in total, and once the last banger sees the other team is helping them they help each other until town is not in such a good position we are. It doesn't matter if you have 3 people alive, it's more beneficial to have one guy hiding and the other (1-man) scumteam alive for double KP. It also creates a lot of wifom due to night actions. This went to shit when Koshi shot Pandain. There is no other scumteam anymore. When CR gets lynched we are 5-1 instead of 5-1-1 (which is a good spot for scum -- if well hidden). As scum, you do not want to remove KP, even if it from a different team, especially as you have in 2 last phases helped out the other scumteam to survive (remember, me and Vayne were gunning hard for Pandain lynch RIGHT after Noir ended and never let go of that -- and never wouldn't). If Solstice would not have fakeclaimed on D4 we would have lynched Pandain. Trust me, we would have done it. That would have been incredibly bad spot for remaining scum. 7-3, cop alive, you have 1 KP, 4/7 of the town is confirmed, there are vests. Imagine it? ChairmanRay is scum, Vayne is town. That's a fucking fact. Because Vayne was gunning hard for Pandain lynch, and that would not have been good play if Vayne is scum with Sol/CR. Also VE, trust me, the other team had figured out Pandain is scum. | ||
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If you gun hard for other mafia team's people, they might kill you. You want to hold hands and stay silent and not disturb them because it helps you more (see Palmar for example) as you kill townies together, and when the time is right you win the game with one big blow. | ||
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Let a scum who claimed scum live! | ||
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Now we are again not discussing who is the last scum.. We are discussing if the confirmed scum is scum?? For fucks sake. | ||
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On October 09 2013 08:46 WaveofShadow wrote: He's just taking a page out of YOUR book, Rayn. Do you see what kind of precedent you set? I may have fakeclaimed, but i do not claim fucking scum! If you claim scum it affects people's reads. Also nobody will ever trust you again in this game. That's all you get for claiming scum as town. There is no way anyone should ever claim scum as town "to not get shot" or "to get someone else shot". This is fucking bullshit. | ||
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On October 09 2013 08:53 WaveofShadow wrote: I don't really see a difference. You don't think the more you do it, that people aren't going to be able to trust anything YOU say because you're setting up some retarded trap? This is the perfect example of why you don't fucking lie as town. Holy shit WoS, are you scum? Seriously. You put fakeclaiming and lying as town in the same category of claiming scum, when there are zero advantages to do so as town. Dude says he has a big post of reads. "Post it". Takes an hour, apparently he typed the post up there. Pressure on. Cracks under pressure. What's next. HE DECIDES THAT HIS BEST CHANCE AS TOWN TO HELP THE TOWN IS TO CLAIM SCUM! ROFLSKATES! | ||
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On October 09 2013 09:18 WaveofShadow wrote: Lying is lying Rayn. Pointless to get a bigger argument about it right now because it's not entirely relevant. People know what my stance on policy-lynchable stuff is. Anyway, the situation is kind of hilarious because I remember thinking that CR could come back and do exactly this around the time I cam back with the Daypost but I forgot. Here's a question. Which scum member would be sufficiently 'I don't give a fuck' enough to let CR do this? Essentially they either would have had to plan this from the start, or CR scumclaimed without consulting his buddy and now the buddy is freaking out saying 'NO. THIS IS WHAT YOU WILL SAY/DO NOW. Gonna try and clean up your mess.' This is not correct. If i was scum with Solstice and CR i would have done the exact same thing on D4 ->. This is really good scumplay, really creative. I think Austin. I explained it to VE earlier on if you read the post. | ||
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On October 09 2013 09:28 VisceraEyes wrote: I like how you said that two members of a three-man scumteam claiming scum is good play, even as you sniff it out and lynch them in rapid succession. Rayn your mind is ever a mystery. It would be. Except that it's not anymore when Koshi was a baller and shot Pandain. | ||
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On October 09 2013 10:12 WaveofShadow wrote: I don't need your charity. I AM A SELF MADE MAN <3 | ||
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On October 09 2013 10:12 Chairman Ray wrote: We had 10 people left. Mafia has up to 3KP. If 3 town dies, and I get shot by cop. That leaves 3-2-1. If town then gets lynched, town loses. If you lynch the one banger, then town loses at night since it goes down to 2-2-0 after the kill. If you lynch the other scum team, then it goes to 3-1-1, and after 2 KP, it goes to 1-1-1, and then town loses. I had to do something drastic to make sure that this doesn't happen. The problem here is townies do not die to cop shots.. | ||
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On October 09 2013 10:15 WaveofShadow wrote: So yeah...CC probably best chance for last scum atm. Rayn, thoughts? Dunno, def not you or Vayne i'd say. We have a mislynch, two left... dun dun.. :D | ||
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On October 09 2013 10:24 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Hihi Haven't read anything since my last post right after the lynch. Checked who died. Anything cool happen? lol, everything cool happened. | ||
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On October 09 2013 11:57 VisceraEyes wrote: Punk music is the devil's music. Hang, scum. Nono you got something wrong there now VE. We have a problem. :p | ||
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On October 09 2013 10:24 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Hihi Haven't read anything since my last post right after the lynch. Checked who died. Anything cool happen? The timing of this post is kinda interesting. What do you guys think? | ||
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On October 09 2013 23:29 VisceraEyes wrote: I think it's interesting that he says he checked who died AND he asked if anything cool happened. Like he's going to great lengths to say "Hey I have definitely NOT been following along AT ALL. FOR SURE. Yeah. You are right. Maybe we lynch Cheesecake before Austin. Punk music and everything- | ||
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Just after CR posts this: On October 09 2013 10:21 Chairman Ray wrote: Yeah, I'm mafia. I definitely lost this. My play really sucked. Getting quite an earful in QT lol. GL finding last mafia. ^^ Like, is Cheesecake trying to intentionally incriminate himself by reverse-psychology as town or wtf? | ||
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On October 06 2013 00:19 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Problem with the bolded: Invalidates his entire paragraph because 'he is not Koshi'. Preparing for a townflip (or, scum that isn't his team flip) Next post: wtf? This made me LOL: Scum with Palmsy?? LOL! He votes Vayne / FT multiple times but never Palmar in any case ever in life. CR's posts are really constructed and fluent... kind of like town -should- be playing but don't.. kind of reeks of 'i wanna look townie'.... Have a few reservations, but def not a townread anymore. He quotes three posts that give him scum feelings on CR. Problem 1: + Show Spoiler + On September 30 2013 10:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I'm townreading CR for this post: Chairman Ray has been the victim of D1 mislynches in his first two games. If he's mafia this game, I'd believe that he'd be even more cautious of the noose. I don't know of many players who, on their first scum game, would make a joke like this. This is a joke post that is null if a player like myself posted it, but for a noob like CR I'm leaning townie. Notice the timestamps. Before this CC has not read CR in any way. Two of his posts that now make CR scum have been posted before CC puts out his town read on CR. How are they now scummy? They were not before. Problem 2: The last quote of CR. It's been 36 hours since that post and Mr.CC has not mentioned CR in any way in his filter in that time frame. He has wanted to lynch solstice, prefers Oats lynch, Pandain is ok. Not a single mention of CR. This "case" looks like it's fabricated, and all in all is really weak. Leaning on bus. | ||
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Vayne has been straight up townie with his interactions with scum. No retarded "let's make me look better"-busses with cases on scumbuddies (which has been the case here). No trying to save anyone or any other shennies. Just straight up "these people are scum, that's it, now die". Looks like normal town!Vayne, not too tryhard. WoS has been genuinely interested in these Solstice/CR situations. Has been asking the right questions and has a clear thought process. If he is scum he deserves to win, because there are couple of things that are (in that case) incredibly next-level scumplay. (1) His interactions with Solstice on D4. (2) CR claims scum. When the plan goes shit, CR claims fakeclaiming shennies as town. WoS tricks CR into claiming scum again. If that is the plan for scum!WoS and CR, oh my god, i salute WoS! So yeah, lynch CC, then Austin. CC before Austin because if Austin is town he has played a really good game and i don't want to mislynch him for good play unless he is my last pick for mafia. | ||
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On October 10 2013 00:36 VayneAuthority wrote: idk its tough. I wouldn't say austin played a good game by any stretch. He looks scummy as fuck in the way he talks about/interacts with the lurkers, especially CR and s0lstice who is the teammate we are looking for. He blatantly refused to see why pandain was scum. There is a lot of things that don't add up for him. Tunneling me and refusing to see 100% scum doesn't exactly make me go, oh yea dudes tOwN! It does not matter Vayne. We can lynch both CC and Austin. You are gonna be in LYLO with WoS/Austin (if CC is in fact town). WoS just said he'll lynch Austin. WoS thinks you are town. No worries. | ||
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On October 10 2013 00:55 VayneAuthority wrote: both scum teams were pushing me lolZ rofl that's correct. :D I will not let you get lynched when you are town. *inb4 you endgame me again* | ||
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This is probably the most hilarious post i have ever made in a mafia game, knowing what has happened since.. | ||
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And therefore the other team would have 2 KP (as drive-by'ing on N4). | ||
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I was actually trying to mindfuck Koshi into bussing me (or shooting scum). Therefore, 2 KP next night does not matter. :D | ||
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I thought both teams would drive-by N3. And i thought VE (as he had no vest) and Koshi were more likely targets on N4. So if all townies have their vests besides VE, scum can't kill 2 people even if they have 2 KP. | ||
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The two of you who are town do not tell if you have vests or not. Let's the scum guess. :D | ||
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On October 10 2013 01:41 VayneAuthority wrote: ok dude so lets see Blazinghand kill ---> bangers hiro kill ----> bangers grack/snb kills ---> ballers hiro had snb/panda on his shit list, I think this makes the most sense. time to see why snb/grack died I think the Pandain <--> BH fixation makes BH being killed by them. grack was all over Palmar --> bangers too. Makes sense? | ||
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On October 10 2013 01:46 VayneAuthority wrote: so who is moer likely to do kills like this, austin or cheesecake? That is a good question. I am a bit torn because the night actions and Ballers' play points towards Austin. But if i analyze Austin/CC individual play Austin looks less scummy. | ||
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Did Austin or CC call you scum in Aperture? Did CC call you scum in Noire? | ||
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On October 10 2013 02:12 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Is there any argument for why I'm scum besides conspiracy theory? I'm way more active as mafia. Could I post my PMs with s0lstice and get modkilled? Lol #noire If I flip this game, remember to think twice about Austin. He looks pretty town, I think scum is between Vayne / WoS despite Rayn saying he won't lynch either of them. Could you make a decent case on WoS/Vayne, and could you tell why you think Austin is town? | ||
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(1) Solstice payphoning you. How does the scum guys actions on D4 make sense regarding that happening? (2) N4, and CR claiming scum, and the scum guys actions regarding that. (3) D5, CR retracting from the scumclaim when seeing Pandain flip and then claiming scum again. The scum guys actions regarding that. (4) How does WoS/Vayne's actions make sense from scum pov in those situations, and why? I have been trying to consider all possibilities and i do not see it. I just can't see it. (5) Why does Austin not fit into scum!profile considering what has happened D4 onwards? | ||
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On October 10 2013 02:19 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: If I had the time, I'd make cases. My problem lies with vayne/wos buddying up, I think one of them is scum that needs to have a friend in this time of need. When I made posts about CR being possible scum, WoS jumped all over me and told me they were bad. He also tried to discredit me the entire time when s0l was up for lynch. I'd lynch him first. Vayne I'm not so sure on. I haven't seen a game of his where he didn't troll as town, and this game he's active and stuff. It's weird. Austin is probably town because of the way he handled the s0l lynch. Like, every other person and their mother just voted s0l and fucked off. Even CR, mafia. I'm more inclined to think mafia just sat with their vote on s0l rather than make huge posts considering if Koshi was mafia or not. So how is this different from you/Austin buddying up now? | ||
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On October 10 2013 02:28 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Why the fuck does CR claim scum? It makes no sense from any perspective. I think he's just terrible. But he did. You should, as town, at least try to figure out why. | ||
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On October 10 2013 02:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: CheeseCake, when you make a case these are the things i especially want you to contribute to: (1) Solstice payphoning you. How does the scum guys actions on D4 make sense regarding that happening? (2) N4, and CR claiming scum, and the scum guys actions regarding that. (3) D5, CR retracting from the scumclaim when seeing Pandain flip and then claiming scum again. The scum guys actions regarding that. (4) How does WoS/Vayne's actions make sense from scum pov in those situations, and why? I have been trying to consider all possibilities and i do not see it. I just can't see it. (5) Why does Austin not fit into scum!profile considering what has happened D4 onwards? This is where this game boils down to CC. If you are town, please, do try. I don't want to mislynch again because someone doesn't try to play the game. I can give you the guidelines into what to look for. You need to do the work in case i am missing something. Right now you are not making much sense. | ||
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Wo is the last scum and why, considering these things: (1) Solstice payphoning CC. How does the scum actions on D4 make sense regarding that happening? (2) N4, and CR claiming scum, and the scum actions regarding that. (3) D5, CR retracting from the scumclaim when seeing Pandain flip and then claiming scum again. The scum guys actions regarding that. (4) It is clear that D4 onwards scum were bussing and bussing hard. Who is the last scum and why do their actions from D4 onwards make most sense from scum!pov? VE: One of us is gonna die the next night. You, or if scum have 2 KP they might double stack me. Look closely into those answers, consider what i have said, and if it does make sense when you cross-reference that into other people's answers. If someone does not answer this post, lynch. | ||
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On October 10 2013 02:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: Anyone except VisceraEyes, this is what i want you to do on N5, or at last on D6; Wo is the last scum and why, considering these things: (1) Solstice payphoning CC. How does the scum actions on D4 make sense regarding that happening? (2) N4, and CR claiming scum, and the scum actions regarding that. (3) D5, CR retracting from the scumclaim when seeing Pandain flip and then claiming scum again. The scum guys actions regarding that. (4) It is clear that D4 onwards scum were bussing and bussing hard. Who is the last scum and why do their actions from D4 onwards make most sense from scum!pov? VE: One of us is gonna die the next night. You, or if scum have 2 KP they might double stack me. Look closely into those answers, consider what i have said, and if it does make sense when you cross-reference that into other people's answers. If someone does not answer this post, lynch. Actually guys, i need to tell VE something important regarding this before the night ends, and there is a possibility that i die, so post your answers before Night ends. If you think some of these point-of-analysis is not important include the reasoning for it into your analysis. | ||
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On October 10 2013 03:08 austinmcc wrote: One question for me is whether s0lstice was legitimately trying to get Koshi lynched early after his claim. IF he's actually trying to push a Koshi-lynch, like really thinks he can do this, then he's gotta be making legitimate points. Basically, he has a couple actual reads which we can't entirely trust, but also more situationally-oriented posts like this:He's scum. He's three man scum. He KNOWS he'll flip eventually and be outed. But is he trying to make sense with this post, be honest, and maybe get Koshi lynched? Or is the mindfuckery already beginning. IF this reads legitimate to you, it implicates CC. Why would 3 man do this, why would they make the 1 for 1 trade if they feel in control? They wouldn't so there has to be another benefit. The benefit to VA/WoS/CC/me that came out of solstice's thing was that CC looked a little better for outing solstice. If the mindfuck has already begun, can't trust it anyway. The question is do you think if it's legitmate or not? And why? I have already given my analysis of the situation and tbh you look the worst given this Solstice thing because of your "do not lynch into the cops plan". We now know it in fact was a bus. Which kinda bus it was and why? Did scum want Solstice lynched, CC gain town credit from it because of the payphone? If so, why? Did CC need town credit? I want you to tell me this, not ask questions. I have given scenarios that make sense to me, and WoS & Vayne do not fit into those scenarios. On D5 i have given my analysis on CR and why he claimed scum, and it fits into my analysis from D4. Why am i wrong? What am i missing? I know i am right on the fact that it was a plan by the scum team, and the plan was to keep Pandain alive for the extra KP. You can't deny that, or if you will, tell me why? Why would scum out themselves when there are at least one confirmed townie + 1 unconfirmed person who will push Pandain lynch on D4? What gives? How do scum benefit from outing themselves? Not only once but twice. What's the point of CR retracting from his scumclaim on D5? Pandain flipped, that's the obvious reason. If you disagree with this, why? And why would he claim scum again later on? What's the point of not fighting? I have answers, but i can't say i am 100% sure. I know one of you has the answers because one of you is scum. I want to see what you make of the situation because at this poinst there is going to be 6 different analysis and only one of them is from scum. I want to analyze the scenarios to have a better overall view of how different people engage these situations and why. | ||
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I could understand each of WoS/Vayne/CC thought process on D4. On D5 i can't understand CC either, and you Austin look a bit better. I am 90% sure one of Austin/CC is scum. I do not know which one of you it is. That's why i am trying to understand. I also want WoS/Vayne to help the town to make it 100% sure they are town (or make it 10% -> 100% they are scum). Town has lost the past games because they got sloppy. Do not get fucking sloppy now. I have read all of your filters from start to finish. I can't find anything before N3 that makes anyone scum. People interact with scumbuddies or do not interact with them. I can't tell anything from those actions, given that this is a multi-scumteam game. That's why i think D4 -> is important. Of course if you find something and disagree, point out why i am wrong. | ||
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BlazingHand was hit N1. I was pretty surprised as only people (besides now confirmed town) he called scum was WoS. Why was Blazinghand hit? He wanted me dead. Noone used that against me from that point on while they could have. Not even Palmar. Could this incriminate WoS and if so, why? Why has noone brought this up at any point in this game? | ||
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On October 10 2013 04:02 austinmcc wrote: How is the solstice lynch a bus? Like, the only person that could "bus" solstice is CC making a fake payphone claim. As far as the rest of the game, half you guys weren't willing to consider that solstice COULD be the cop, so what does scum gain from "bussing" like that? EVERYONE is in a single pocket, there's no cred for x or y except for cc. If the goal is to bus solstice, then I DON'T make sense, because you seem to think I came out looking WORSE for the day. You're suggesting that, if I'm scum, our team decided we would toss away solstice and that I would play to look scummier for the day. That's not a bus, in my mind. And it's not a bus for WoS or VA, because they don't come out looking particularly anti-solstice there. If you actually think bus, you think CC, imo. Honestly, CR either claims to keep the other team alive OR because the claim/unclaim thing looks very much like his town games. The reason he got lynched in town games is fake votes on people he thinks are town, to see if scum will try to mislynch those guys, and little tricks like that. It was a little late in the game to suddenly do that, but...the claim/unclaim thing is honestly the towniest-CR thing that CR has done. I don't think it's necessarily to confuse people or protect x or y, it may very well be because THAT POST looks like town CR, and he's not entirely wrong that scum has no reason to claim scum. So...I disagree with the premise that CR is claiming so as to protect or influence someone else, and I think it's more likely he's trying to protect himself. Yes, the lynch was probably pandain or CR today, and his claim helps cement it on himself. And his unclaim and dick around fits either scenario - no way to protect pandain OR no more ability to make yourself look townie and get the lynch ON pandain. Currently of the mindset that it's NOT scum trying to save pandain, because they were at 2-1, and if we lynch CR for claiming scum, teams are at 1-1. I don't think DRB wants to save Pandain so much that they're willing to sac their numbers advantage. They now are in a worse position relative to town AND the other mafia team. So I believe that CR's claim was for his own benefit, trying the claim/unclaim thing to try and appear town. (Yes, you read that correctly) No Austin, this is wrong. If CC is town you cannot know what happens when you make the plan. Maybe CC is the last banger. Maybe he will take tha bait. Maybe the scumteam wanted CC to take tha bait and reveal it in the last second as Solstice claiming cop and 100% incriminating CC. Maybe scum wanted both of Sol/Koshi to live. No confirmed townies yet -> both live onto D5, noone except VE can be trusted. I do not know what happened. You can't say "people believed Koshi, that's why XYZ" because you do not know if people do believe Koshi over Sol before it happens. | ||
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You are talking bullshit now Austin. | ||
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On October 10 2013 04:06 WaveofShadow wrote: Wat. Are you serious? Part of the reason I was so sure of FT is because BH was going after him for much of the day! BH was pinning down FT for scum, and I honestly don't even remember him calling me as such. Where are you getting this? I do not necessarily think you are scum because of it. I wanna know what other people think about it. | ||
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On October 10 2013 04:33 WaveofShadow wrote: That's not what I mean. Oh wait you said 'besides cofnirmed town.' lol nvm. I assumed you somehow missed his FT push. I actually asked you about this earlier and afaik you never answered.. | ||
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Noone is doing a good job atm.. | ||
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On October 10 2013 05:03 VisceraEyes wrote: To answer this question I'd need to know whether the CR claim is premeditated or not. Because that matters in the context of this question. Of course it was. | ||
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On October 10 2013 05:06 austinmcc wrote: I have currently been assuming that the CR claim was at the very least not so premeditated that it stretches back all the way to N3/start of D4. At least to me, when I've got all 3 members alive and am like...a mislynch or two away from winning, I don't tell solstice to claim cop AND CR to claim scum, that's not my plan going into a day. Not on N3 or D4, but N4. | ||
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On October 10 2013 05:11 austinmcc wrote: If it's planned on N4, I don't THINK it affects my intentions with the possible payphone use or targeting. What I'm more getting at is, IF the payphone thing is legit, who picks cheesecake? If it's not, it's fake anyway. CR's later claim doesn't factor into that for me, because by N4, the payphone thing has come and gone. I dunno, who would pick CheeseCake? | ||
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On October 10 2013 05:15 VisceraEyes wrote: People Oats was suspicious of, my bad. People that Oats said he was interested in lynching. Let's have a look. Oats was a safe shot. At least when 2 scumteams alive. "would the other team shoot him, no? Would he use vest, no?" But i sitll want Vayne to contribute aswell. Could you see Vayne making this kinda play from D4 -> with Solstice/ChairmanRay? | ||
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Like, if i put myself into scum position; In Noir, i wanted to kill people who are able to push a lynch on me. I didn't give a fuck if Koshi called me scum because he never gave any reasons for me being scum. I didn't give a fuck about JAT and Zaragon (other people suspicious of me) because they didin't not have credit/credibility to lynch me. I did not give a fuck about Mocsta because he fucked up on D2 and lost all credibility and town would never lynch me before him. Why kill someone if it can only make you look bad? When the alternative is him calling you scum for nothing and "shitting up the thread" with you not having to fear them? | ||
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On October 10 2013 05:23 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh and regarding the recent conversation before I go, I think CR claim COULD have been premeditated, but if so, why give up in the exact same way twice? Appears way more likely to have really given up, then convinced by scumbuddy to fight, then gave up again and even TOLD us that he was being yelled at in QT. Of course the above could have been a lie but then why confess essentially the same way twice? Because you tricked him into "scumslip". Which you didn't even realize. :D | ||
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What bothers me about Austin are these things: 1) His actions on D4 -- when compared them to what he has said earlier (mainly his stance on Solstice - it does not make sense) 2) His stance on FT, there is literally no way anyone could think he is town -- by Austins methods, CR should have looked way more town than FT 3) His 100% sure scumread on CR 4) His unwillingness to read Pandain -- when Noire ands and 2 people instantly say "Pandain 100% scum" there has to be something in it, there just has to. | ||
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Austin had a case on CR. Me and WoS questioned him on N4 and he claimed scum. We didn't even think he is scum at that point rofl (at least i did not -- i just wanted to question him as he was present). Would Austin do that kinda unnecessary bus? With being the only one who really wants to lynch CR. Like why not just... not bus? CR had to think he is under some serious pressure. So either Austin made a good bus or CC/CR misread my/WoS read on CR. | ||
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I mean, with some people you seem to be working differently than others. FirmTofu had some posts "mafia could not make", same with Pandain. It's not like every single post makes someone mafia. And there are no "townslips". Read Titanic where i couldn't get FirmTofu lynched all game because he townslipped on D1. Funny.. he was mafia. | ||
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Vayne's play is VERY unlikely to come form mafia!Vayne. He works differently as mafia. I just read Noir's obs QT and Vayne describes his town!meta very accurately there. That's the easiest way to read him. | ||
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On October 12 2013 02:47 austinmcc wrote: At this point though, I have three options. CC/VA/WoS. So if it ain't cc, it's one of the other two, regardless of townie play. I also maintain that, whether he's played townie or scummily, those posts on oats come from the mafia mindset. Cheese has his own mafia mindset post on oats though and now it can only be one person. No it doesn't. "I don't find the "convincing others" part to be very fun or interesting. I just like seeing if what I am doing is correct. " Whether or not you think this is wise it's a perfect summary of how Vayne plays as town. Unless he has changed his meta a full 180 this is town!Vayne without any doubt. | ||
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Is it more likely that he wants to claim scum rather than that he cannot believe Oats was town and was angry because of it? Which is more likely? | ||
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On October 12 2013 03:16 WaveofShadow wrote: Ehhhhh I'm not 100% sure on Vayne (mostly because my recent townread is based on some mind-meld town POV stuff, and every other time I've based reads on like one post this game I've been wrong), but I don't necessarily see how that's a scum reaction. I'd be WAY more careful as scum to let my anger over losing a mislynch target spill into the thread. Like.,...why would you not fake the joy or go for the townie reaction here? I 100% would. This. Like what, try to still get Oats lynched after he has been cleared? That's a ridiculous statement Austin.. | ||
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On October 08 2013 12:51 austinmcc wrote: If you were a matador, and the players alive in this game were all part-bull part-robot beasts (are part-robot animals cyborgs?), probably the result of some sort of scientific experimentation, perhaps a government program in an early phase before looking towards human cyborg soldiers: (1) which player would be the most robotic, perhaps with just a shred of bullmanity remaining? (2) which player has the most original bull, and has barely been robotified at all? (3) which player is the most dangerous bull, the one you know you have to keep in front of you or you'll be gored? (4) how do you subdue the robot bulls? feel free to answer later if you're headed home. but please do answer When people were talking about his "reads post" that apparently never existed in the first place, this was all Austin had to say. | ||
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On October 05 2013 03:06 VayneAuthority wrote: all I know about CR is that he has never rolled scum here before and Coag said he plays scum well on the other site they play together. I don't find him townie at all really but I guess im alone. more on that before night ends. In short, it seems like he is using me as leverage for the lynch tomorrow, so that he has an excuse to already vote me tomorrow without doing much of anything again. I actually find this very townie post. That thing with Coag <--> CR is from Noir and i remember it aswell. I think it was not worthless to point out. | ||
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Probably just lynch CC as he completely fucked off after D4. At least Austin is trying and putting effort into this. | ||
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Okay guys we have a mislynch. Kill CC. ##Vote: Mr.CheeseCake | ||
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On October 12 2013 05:28 WaveofShadow wrote: Shhhh. If we still have vests left we may get 2 mislynches out of this. (I certainly hope we do not need them.) ^_^ Who knows, maybe i am lying? Anyone got shot last night? VE the joke is on you. | ||
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On the other hand lately on Cheesydude has been the definition of uselessness and i really hate that now when it actually does matter. On the other hand Vayne is a cool dude and shares my thoughts almost exactly. And has done so nearly whole game. Especially the sureness of certain people's alignments with no apparent reasoning (i didn't find it good) is really fishy and concerns me the most. Like, he is "too right" on many people but then can't see Pandain scum and Koshi/Solstice situation. | ||
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On October 12 2013 07:57 WaveofShadow wrote: I have an Occam's Razor for you guise. Which is more likely from a scum player in general when they are about to lose (not talking LYLO here)? To fight like crazy against all odds, pushing lynches, delving filters constantly, and engaging the town in conversation ALL of the time? Or giving up and hoping the town just magically forgets about you because you've most likely lost anyway and you don't want to put in wasted effort? The first one, at least if i was in question. In I swear 2 when Sylencia killed Artanis and Z-Boson claimed scum (and outed me aswell) to FirmTofu i wanted to shoot him and claim vigilante and try play 9-1. :D I only gave up when he posted all comments from our scum QT. :D | ||
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Sorry austin for going after you, i was paranoid because WoS & Vayne were so so town and i don't know your play well enough. Finally town wins something. ^_^ | ||
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jk. But yeah, i think this is one of the best games i have ever played in as town, everyone was cool and there no personal attacks. Damn why can't we all be town every game. It was pleasure to play with you guys. | ||
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Palmar 09-30-2013 11:09 AM ET (US) Playing in 2-team mafia games IS SO MUCH FUCKING EFFORT. play well enough not to be lynched, play badly enough not to be shot. We really need to start hitting the other team. Just about what i said why Palmar is scum. | ||
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"Thank you, a totally free and legit townread added to my collection." ^_^ | ||
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On October 12 2013 23:19 Koshi wrote: But confirming people as town is superpowerful. Look at how you, VE were treated because thread knew you were town. If you look at austin and how much work he put in, in a normal game he would be untouchable just because of that. Unfortunately for Austin he started playing imbalancebly good when scum kinda needed to bus (D4 ->). It really was more beneficial for Ballers to get themselves killed over Pandain, as it does not reduce scum KP. I PoE'd Vayne after Palmar's flip and WoS on D4 - N4 with his actions/questions to Solstice/CR. Austin was just a "could still be scum and capable of this play" and i can't read Mr.CC. When i could fully trust WoS it helped a lot, and CC not trying was a final nail in his coffin, it would have been wrong in any way to lynch Austin over him, but if CC flipped town i would have lynched Austin next. | ||
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On October 12 2013 23:20 Koshi wrote: Palmar didn't but FT being afk helped town there. They both did claim scum with Pandain at the start of the game. :D | ||
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Oats: "you so bad" Austin: "let's talk about something else" -> then on D3 makes the exact same case. :D | ||
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On October 12 2013 23:48 phagga wrote: Also, I think some towns are hard to lead. While most townies are looking for a leader (which makes them susceptible to scum manipulations), there are some who want to do just their own thing. Vayne is a good example of the latter, and I think you wasted too much time trying to get him to do more (after all, you know how he plays) while also being unnecessary aggressive towards him. It was ok that you started ignoring him for a while, but you should have done that much earlier and concentrate on other players. This is what most people go wrong with Vayne. That just doesn't work. He does stuff and interacts with you if you do it right. But never ever be aggressive or threaten him. He is usually quite spot on with his reads but how to interact with him is the question here, and being aggressive is not the answer. | ||
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On October 12 2013 23:51 phagga wrote: Oh yeah, right, being unnecessarily aggressive was also a thing. WHY CAN'T I MAKE A SENSE OF THIS ANYMORE! I had it all in my head this week on what I wanted to say about your early game and did not write it down, and now I can't get it together anymore My early game was trying to read Palmar and when i realized he was probably scum trying to get him lynched but i am so bad at convincing people. | ||
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I have to say this was one of the most funniest and enjoyable games i have ever played. Also thanks to all the players, was fun! | ||
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This: On October 10 2013 00:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: And btw i am refusing to lynch WoS or Vayne. Vayne has been straight up townie with his interactions with scum. No retarded "let's make me look better"-busses with cases on scumbuddies (which has been the case here). No trying to save anyone or any other shennies. Just straight up "these people are scum, that's it, now die". Looks like normal town!Vayne, not too tryhard. WoS has been genuinely interested in these Solstice/CR situations. Has been asking the right questions and has a clear thought process. If he is scum he deserves to win, because there are couple of things that are (in that case) incredibly next-level scumplay. (1) His interactions with Solstice on D4. (2) CR claims scum. When the plan goes shit, CR claims fakeclaiming shennies as town. WoS tricks CR into claiming scum again. If that is the plan for scum!WoS and CR, oh my god, i salute WoS! So yeah, lynch CC, then Austin. CC before Austin because if Austin is town he has played a really good game and i don't want to mislynch him for good play unless he is my last pick for mafia. | ||
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On October 13 2013 03:17 Chairman Ray wrote: I am never gonna use fakeclaiming as a strategy again But that was a good game Never ever claim scum. There is no way it is going to help you. You could have used some coaching in scum QT, other than that you did fine, not getting lynchedon early days and looked townie to many people. If you do not know what to do, never refrain from posting, never apologize about anything, never give up. Ask advice from your scumbuddies and post. If you think you look bad you can even bus your teammates hardcore because nobody is going to believe you anyways, at worst you or your buddy gets lynched and the other one of you gains credit. Now, when you claimed scum, everything you said was treated as WIFOM. | ||
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