Thug Life Mini Mafia

On September 24 2013 11:17 VayneAuthority wrote:
/in

On September 25 2013 13:08 VayneAuthority wrote:
looking forward to dying N1 for very different reasons

On September 25 2013 13:15 VayneAuthority wrote:


No, you just got unlucky with the RNG. PM me if you wish to discuss any problems you have and I'd be glad to have a discussion.

On September 25 2013 14:28 VisceraEyes wrote:
/in

I want to see what a non-mean BH looks like. I bet its not as funny.

On September 27 2013 05:48 yamato77 wrote:
The only thing that will lose town this game is negative attitudes like that.

In all, seriousness, I as town could catch every player in this game if they were scum, and expect to.

On September 27 2013 05:49 Koshi wrote:
WoS don't worry this game. Pretty sure you won't get nk night 1. You ain't that good.

On September 27 2013 05:48 VisceraEyes wrote:

God damn this stinks of insincerity and contrivance.

But whatever I'll deal with you later sir.

On September 27 2013 05:56 VayneAuthority wrote:
I don't get what he is talking about when he says he knows stuff about the Noire game. Seems like he is just blowing smoke really which seems more like town WoS.

anyways I see no reason to not vote palmar or grackaroni this phase

On September 27 2013 07:14 Grackaroni wrote:
lol you guys are so cute, that part was me trolling. I realize that nobody is going to follow a random lynch of a target deliberately chosen by me because that's not random.

On September 27 2013 05:53 VisceraEyes wrote:

He's been dying N1 recently. You remember what that's like - the confidence it temporarily bestows.

The question is, is he overplaying it? I think so, but again, I'm willing to see what he's got before making that call ultimately.

On September 27 2013 05:57 Grackaroni wrote:
WoS's posts at the endgame of golden sun match up with the mindset he's showing here.

On September 27 2013 08:05 Grackaroni wrote:
(Not intended to be insulting but instructive)
Chairman Ray has been mislynched twice in a row as town day1
FirmTofu as well has had the lynch pushed on to him several times as town day 1.
This is what mafia are comfortable doing, not random lynching.

On September 27 2013 11:55 yamato77 wrote:

You have no right to complain about anything.

On September 27 2013 11:56 Grackaroni wrote:
I didn't lie about anything... VE said that he was only ok with a random lynch if it was truly random and then I suggested the random lynch of me picking Palmar. (proof I'm not a fan of Palmar ) which is obviously not random.

We shot you last game because Pandain/Rayn/Debaers were all up against each other's throats and you seemed like you could become a potential threat when you had time to be active.

On September 27 2013 11:58 Grackaroni wrote:

That's because it wasn't a read. people were saying were being insincere and from reading your posts last game I am saying it's probably not that important.

On September 27 2013 12:03 yamato77 wrote:

Some of it is residual frustration from the other game, some of it is legitimately that grack/BH make me want to kill them.

Regardless, we both know I'm horrid as mafia, so this shouldn't be a concern for long.

On September 27 2013 12:07 yamato77 wrote:

If Palmar is town, yes.

On September 27 2013 12:49 yamato77 wrote:
1) Palmar is exceedingly good as town on D1. Like, really good. Lynches scum a lot. If he and I are town together, we can find a mafia.

2) Random lynching isn't just bad because town could do better, it's also bad because it essentially wastes 48 hours of town's time on a lynch that no one had to take any stance on or push, and gives no valuable leads like vote counts, vote posts, and vote reasonings.

Even if we lynch scum with this method, it means very little. Even if we lynch town on a normal day 1 lynch, it can mean a lot. There's no reason to random lynch, even if statistics is in favor. It's a pro-mafia move. That's why I've been shitting on the idea since the game started and why my vote sits on grack, yet now I see you espousing the same sentiment?

I'm willing to excuse this on the fact that you're butthurt because you've played in a string of bad towns, but seriously, this is shit that should be policy lynched. You've lost anything you gained by being suspicious of grack by echoing the same stupid sentiment.

On September 27 2013 12:52 hiro protagonist wrote:
WoS, why bring up a "man, town sucks" tone into a game that so far has not gone south?

On September 27 2013 12:55 Grackaroni wrote:

One weird thing I picked up on, how often do townies feel bad about pushing their scum reads?

On September 27 2013 13:04 Grackaroni wrote:

I didn't really care to comment on the meat of it. Scum probably had some influence in the lynch and if they did not then they easily could have if one of their own came under pressure.

You weren't apologetic at all when you were pushing me last game. It seems like a scum mindset, wow everyone's jumping on Grack but it's just so easy....

On September 27 2013 13:10 Grackaroni wrote:

I was flat out wrong, making easy reads, not taking stances, lying. Seems like you were leaning towards me being scum.

On September 27 2013 13:21 hiro protagonist wrote:
WoS, If you wanna vent a bit, fine. But Im not gonna let how you feel be a vail for you to slack off and hide. Your opening post was a good start, why dont you do more of that. If your attitude starts to mess with town atmosphere, Im gonna call you on it.

On September 27 2013 13:31 Oatsmaster wrote:

If WoS gets to insult me, I get to call him out on it.

I think yamato's hardheadness and seriousness makes him towny, but there are some things that seem weird to me.
BH has been completely useless so null.

Whats your read on Palmar?
I think he's town myself but he hasnt done much besides joke around and promote RNG.

On September 27 2013 13:34 Oatsmaster wrote:

Actually Palmar is even more useless than I thought.

And Yamato too dick to be scum.

Ok.
Whos scum WoS?

On September 27 2013 13:43 Oatsmaster wrote:

Are you really going to push me off word choice?

Anyway, other people where using the reasoning that Palmar is ok with it to push it. Somewhere.
So thats promoting totally.

On September 27 2013 13:46 Oatsmaster wrote:

Oh im sorry, which word should I use instead of pushing?

Its somewhere in the previous 20 pages. I dont think Palmar was trolling, I think he is really ok with Random Lynching. What makes you think otherwise?

On September 27 2013 13:37 WaveofShadow wrote:

No idea yet.
Would you really call that one post by Palmar 'promoting' RNG lynch though? Especially since he is pushing Grack who is the primary proponent of RNG this game so far.

On September 28 2013 00:18 Palmar wrote:


I don't want you to reconsider your vote. In fact I agree WoS's entry post was absolutely awful. I'm not questioning whether or not you're right, I'm questioning your motivation and methods. I'm not trying to go after WoS right now, I'm trying to determine your alignment.

So no, I'm not not going to give you good reasons for being awful, because there aren't any.

What you have to demonstrate is why this suspicion should be considered over other people who've been mentioned as possible lynch candidates. It very well could be, I haven't paid much attention to WoS, and there's actually a great benefit of putting WoS under massive pressure, given what I know about his playstyle.

On September 27 2013 23:45 Koshi wrote:
Well, somewhat ignoring the whole townread thing but I like the vote on WoS. Like I said, the emo stuff makes me want to vote him as wel because he tries to mindfuck us not voting him.

On September 28 2013 00:35 Oatsmaster wrote:
Someone streams rolling a dice with our posts in the background.
Like.
1) sets up stream, table and screen where we can see.
2) When he sees a post that says ROLL, he rolls.
3) whoever gets chosen gets lynched.
EZ. PZ.

On September 28 2013 01:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:

So why did you shit over the town in the first place?

On September 28 2013 01:18 VisceraEyes wrote:

I would sooner vote for you.

On September 28 2013 01:25 Oatsmaster wrote:
hahahhahaha WoS being Oats-like.

On September 28 2013 01:26 WaveofShadow wrote:

Nope, because in any given game i will always be more useful than you, attitude aside.

VE, my first post regarding yamato then, do you think it's coming from a scum place?

On September 28 2013 01:56 VisceraEyes wrote:
Anyway, when RebirthOfLethargy gets here, tell him VE doesn't want to lynch Yamato so he votes for Yamato. He has some kind of natural aversion to reading my filter, so it will just be our little secret.

On September 27 2013 12:00 WaveofShadow wrote:

Thank you yamato.
Quick Q for you.
Is your response to my first post and as well your play this game all for show?
You seem to be making quite an effort to appear similar to Noire. I am well aware of how you've played in toher games and it's not like this isn't normal for you, but the sheer confidence this early straight out of another towngame (now that you've flipped) to me can't be alignment indicative because I know you are well aware of your meta.

On September 27 2013 12:03 yamato77 wrote:

Some of it is residual frustration from the other game, some of it is legitimately that grack/BH make me want to kill them.

Regardless, we both know I'm horrid as mafia, so this shouldn't be a concern for long.

On September 28 2013 02:42 Blazinghand wrote:
You guys wanna see "real"? This rando lynch just got seriously real. Everyone who took stances about it now has to re-evaluate (or pretend to re-evaluate) that shit, cause the RNG just produced a person for us: Koshi. Yeah. What now?

I gave up on RNG. But anyone who's serious about it now, you better freaking vote Koshi, or shut up about it.

On September 28 2013 02:54 ShiaoPi wrote:
how about I favor a koshi/yamato lynch but do not favor a rng lynch?
still voting koshi though

##vote: koshi

On September 28 2013 02:57 Blazinghand wrote:


I guess you don't really support an RNG lynch if you're not voting Koshi right

On September 28 2013 02:58 Grackaroni wrote:

I know you support RNG but even then if the RNG landed on my strongest town read I would push against it.

On September 28 2013 03:02 VayneAuthority wrote:
WoS backpedaling and not addressing concerns/explaining his thought process is concerning as well. Seems like he's just throwing random stuff out there at this point

On September 28 2013 03:06 VayneAuthority wrote:


Quite a while ago when you still had some humility, so I don't know if there's anything to be gained there. You reminded me of grack though, constantly paranoid in the QT which goes against how you are posting here. But even if you are town, it's not great play. Randomly I jumped from a policy lynch to scum and there's nothing there to explain that. The entire post is about rayn. Makes zero sense

On September 28 2013 01:18 WaveofShadow wrote:
Yeah Vayne cares about his scumgame way more than his towngame.
I feel really good about VA lynch today.
At worst, policy 'cuz I don't like his play in most games, and at best, scum.
Win-win.

GOGO VOTE VA

On September 28 2013 03:13 VayneAuthority wrote:


How is that anything except a policy lynch? Doesn't make me scum in the slightest.

On September 28 2013 03:13 Grackaroni wrote:

SO I put an early vote on OP. That didn't work out well in my favor so why would I do the same thing again. Me being right on scum makes me less likely to be town? Are you kidding me? honestly horrible, awful, unbelievably bad reasoning. You are probably trying to play dumb like you did last game.

On September 28 2013 03:20 Blazinghand wrote:


If you're trying to make me stop talking by threatening me, you can only expect me to talk more. I DO NOT BOW TO THE DEMaNDS OF TERRORISTS NATIONS

The point of the RNG discussion is: I fairly RNGed Koshi. from now on, anyone who claims to really support RNG needs to start convincing people to vote Koshi, or they need to stop supporting RNG and scumhunt (ie, vote FT). that's it.

On September 28 2013 03:21 Grackaroni wrote:

That is legitimately what he does. Golden Sun scum QT.

vayne
09-25-2013
03:06 PM ET (US)
i hate playing scum, you have to like pretend you're a retard and say stupid shit

On September 27 2013 06:47 VayneAuthority wrote:
put 3 for town and 9 for mafia

On September 28 2013 03:23 Blazinghand wrote:
In any case, the point I'm trying to make here (if people would just accept that Koshi was RNGed) is that we're done talking about some "abstract RNG lynch". We're talking about lynching Koshi. People want to use RNG to opt out of the town discourse, but that is no longer possible because we've actually RNGed someone, you see?

On September 28 2013 03:29 Blazinghand wrote:


As the other primary proponent, I never attempted to opt out either. but the fact that the concept exists WITHOUT HAVING RNGED SOMEONE is bad. In fact, multiple people (not sure if you) said "yeah, I like RNG lynch but looks like we can't RNG anyone so I guess my support for it is meaningless"

WELL YOU GUYS JUST GOT PUNKED.

On September 28 2013 01:27 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
WoS is looking townier by the minute folks.

On September 28 2013 03:39 Koshi wrote:

About your case on rayn. I don't like it.
rayn talked about over 10 people already and made clear where is stances are. Sadly in this game scum can hunt but I am keeping him around.

On September 28 2013 03:43 FirmTofu wrote:
Blazinghand is town. He's actively pushing the thread forward and his read on on me seems genuine. Forcing people to take sides on the RNG debate was a brilliant idea. Helps us out a great deal by holding people accountable for their empty stances. He's completely wrong about me, but his sincerity is clearly apparent.

On September 28 2013 03:51 WaveofShadow wrote:

You know a post like this makes it real easy for BH to say that you're just scum trying to appease him.

For the record I agree with most of your post---I'm not sure how forwardly he's pushing the thread atm, nor do I think his devising of the actual RNG was 'brilliant' as much as 'necessary.' It was the logical progression from that discussion---without a way to actually perform RNG there was no point in discussing it further and I personally did not think of a way to do it.

I'd also be careful about how 'sincere' you think BH is. He is a Wile E. guy. (Who i think is town)

On September 28 2013 03:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Because i don't have to. It's just wrong.

What do you think of what i just said about FT?

On September 28 2013 03:57 WaveofShadow wrote:
Yup, Rayn town. Damn was I wrong.
Still wouldn't mind an explanation regarding my post though because I'm fairly certain our reasons are different.

On September 27 2013 15:18 FirmTofu wrote:
Ok, my first impressions are that Yamato, WoS, and VE look super town. Grack is probably scum. His posting is terrible.

I've never played a legit game with BH or Palmar, so I can't read them yet.

On September 27 2013 15:35 FirmTofu wrote:
Okay, so my best scum read right now is ShiaoPi. He's been around, but hasn't contributed. His filter is all one liners with basically no substance. Now, I know ShiaoPi is a lot better than how he's playing right now. I want to know why he is playing below is full potential.
Filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=429897&user=ShiaoPi

---

RNG debate.

Statistically, it is a great idea to randomly choose a day one lynch. There are 6 scum between us. 6/20= .3
I don't think the best scumhunters among us can lynch with greater accuracy on Day 1 than 30%. However, I also don't think there is any method by which we can decide a fair way to choose a random kill. We would need an unbiased party to use random.org or something. We don't have any confirmed town, so discussing this topic is pointless.

Lynching randomly is impractical and unfeasible. Stop wasting time discussing this pointless topic.

On September 27 2013 15:38 FirmTofu wrote:

We've already discussed you quite enough. There are at least 5 other scummers out there. I'm interested in discussing as many people as possible. I'll discuss you if you end up being the #1 or #2 candidate later in the day.

On September 28 2013 03:30 FirmTofu wrote:
##vote: Koshi
I'm keeping my word here. BH's solution to the RNG problem is quite inventive. I will double check if it was truly random, but if it was I'm sticking with Koshi.

30% are pretty good odds.

BH, why aren't you voting Koshi?

On September 28 2013 03:38 FirmTofu wrote:
Anyone who supports RNG, myself included, should still scumhunt and make full use of the day. There is still much to say and much to find. Anyone who stops scumhunting should be subject to lynch as well.

On September 28 2013 03:43 FirmTofu wrote:
Blazinghand is town. He's actively pushing the thread forward and his read on on me seems genuine. Forcing people to take sides on the RNG debate was a brilliant idea. Helps us out a great deal by holding people accountable for their empty stances. He's completely wrong about me, but his sincerity is clearly apparent.

On September 28 2013 04:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
I am saying he has some ulterior motivation for bucking the RNG lynch now that it's a think when he was in favor of it when there was no target.

On September 28 2013 04:29 VisceraEyes wrote:

I said I'm in favor of RNG. I don't know what it means with relation to BH - maybe he lied to get information, maybe he's lying now to get information, maybe he's scumbuddies with Koshi. I need to see content to see what it means in relation to BH.

But the RNG is Koshi. Man up and vote.

On September 28 2013 01:13 WaveofShadow wrote:

Koshi can you show me where I specifically did this?
I assume you're taking my calling town shit as 'town is shit if they lynch me cuz town always lynch town D1 and they bad lololol?'
Where did I ever talk about myself getting lynched? Does my posting somehow belie that I am worried about it?
Like....the first post where you brought up feeling bad about me made me think you were town but this one has me stumped. Again I'm inclined to think town because this is just such a convoluted way of thinking to come from scum.

On September 28 2013 04:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
I think that superficially it looks like scum trying to test the waters of a WoS lynch.

On September 28 2013 04:51 Blazinghand wrote:
Hmmm okay so if there are meta issues there are meta issues. I guess I'll take a look at his previous games and see if he does this as town ._.

On September 28 2013 04:51 VisceraEyes wrote:

You wouldn't be asking this question if you replaced the bolded with "BH and VE had voted for me" now would you?

On September 27 2013 05:55 VisceraEyes wrote:

You misunderstand me - I fully expect WoS to have confidence. But his whole "OH FUCK ME I'M TOWN CRY CRY CRY CRY" seems overplayed. I did something similar, but I didn't write a whole post on the matter - only made a little joke about it. And I'm slightly more dramatic than WoS.

On September 28 2013 01:37 VisceraEyes wrote:

I'm not saying I unequivocally think you're scum - I'm saying I'd lynch you before I'd lynch VA.


VA is posting more townlike than I'd expect from a scum VA, though to be honest I'm not really sure WHAT I expect of a scum VA because I'm not sure I've even played with such a beast. I think he's a far poorer lynch than yamato, who is clearly scum to me. And I think he's a poorer lynch than you because not only have you been consistently shitting on town, but now you're sheeping after scum. No bueno.

On September 28 2013 06:11 yamato77 wrote:

To some degree, yes, it is. Emotion is a reasonably difficult thing to fake as mafia at times, especially early on.

That said, him not switching modes and actually trying this game does make me somewhat hesitant. He had his little thing about you, but that's his only real "read" and he rescinded it fairly quickly.

On September 28 2013 08:35 VisceraEyes wrote:

Wait a tick, was this in a case against me?!

On September 28 2013 10:14 Palmar wrote:
yeah ok, I'm in

##Unvote
##Vote Kosher

On September 28 2013 10:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
I know man, I'm starting to think town too now that he's freaking the fuck out.

But I don't even care. Let's all hold hands and bathe in his blood.

On September 28 2013 10:18 VisceraEyes wrote:
Can I tell you guys how annoyed no one gave me a nod for "RebirthOfLethargy"? I thought that was like super clever.

On September 28 2013 10:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
Everything is fine. I'm about 75% on Koshi being scum...that's down from like 80% earlier.

The thing that gets me is that he's like, actually super afraid to die. Everyone wants to live, but townies are less afraid to die in general in my experience. All the expletives make me think he's just trying to be manipulative. :/

Maybe not. I don't know. But he's the lynch guy, and my body is ready.

On September 28 2013 10:33 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm town bra. I'd be spending a lot less time in this thread if I were scum and a lot more time telling my teammates to fucking post something.

On September 28 2013 10:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hrmmmmm....

BH/Koshi/maaaaybe SnB.

Yamato/Grack/maaaaaybe hiro protagonist.

My maybes are thrown in there mostly because we're missing half the playerbase still...I don't feel strongly about SnB or hiro.

On September 28 2013 10:54 Grackaroni wrote:
hmmmm I think it probably looks something like this:

RoL JJD Chairman Ray

Palmar VE Pandain

On September 28 2013 11:03 WaveofShadow wrote:

You're bad at this game.

KK lemme see.
VA/pandain/maaayyyybe yamato

vs

FT/hiro/ some 3rd guy who's useless. (RoL/CR/Shiao/whoeva)

On September 28 2013 11:06 Grackaroni wrote:

Tell me about it. Hosts sure did a shitty job balancing teams, putting all those lurkers together is just cruel.

On September 28 2013 14:22 Koshi wrote:
Wyy are you letting this happen WoS?

On September 29 2013 02:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay so we lynch you instead so you don't have to hate Koshi ok?

On September 29 2013 02:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Can you answer my case WoS?

On September 29 2013 02:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why is it so that every post you make makes me think you are scummier and scummier. You can't even look my case up by yourself?

On September 29 2013 02:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I want you to be reasonable, which you are, as town. You are not being reasonable now WoS. If you are town man the fuck up, answer me and find mafia.

On September 29 2013 02:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:

1) You know i can't do it, but fair enough.
2) Okay so why did you make a bad post without thinking it through first?
3) So how multiple scumteams affect to your read on me? And why did you go from rayn scum -- rayn town -- no, rayn might be scum?

On September 29 2013 02:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
WoS i read every scum QT of every game, always. Your read on VA is bad.

On September 29 2013 02:30 Blazinghand wrote:
Hello everyone. Wow, Koshi seems to be putting on quite a show of "being mad". The fact that you unvote him for this WoS is totally weak. Are you really worried about Koshi's eternal hatred? Is there anything about his vitriol that he's more likely to do as town than scum? He could easily do this as scum. Get your head on your neck.

I also see the non-RNG case for a Koshi lynch. In addition to his huge anger, he's also like contributing and interacting a bit less than he did in GS Mini. That being said, I think we really have a slam dunk with yamato or potentially FT. Whatever meta reasons you guys may give for them (yamato always shits up the thread, or FT always gets mislynched D1) from an objective standpoint these guys need to be lynched. This is basically true. FT is not a realistic lynch option today, so I would like to advise all who are not on board for a Koshi lynch (for whatever reason) to join me in voting Yamato.

##vote yamato77

That being said, I find the circumstances surrounding WoS's unvote of Koshi to be highly suspicious. I don't buy his reason at all. WoS, until your vote is back on Koshi I ##FoS WoS. Your lack of faith disturbs me.

On September 29 2013 02:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
WoS can you elaborate on my (3). What went through your head during those posts.

On September 29 2013 02:36 Blazinghand wrote:
No resistance to the yamato lynch? HES NTO FUCKING GetTING LYNCHED

HES NOT GETTING LYNCHEd, WHAT DO YOU MEAN NO RESISTANCE.

On September 29 2013 02:39 Blazinghand wrote:
WoS put your damn vote on koshi

On September 29 2013 02:40 strongandbig wrote:
Here's what I conclude:
1. Chairman Ray, ShiaoPi and Grack are likely scum. They all joined in the randomlynch on koshi but were all reluctant or afraid to own it. The entire point of a random lunch is that if you are doing it you lunch it's target regardless of analysis.
- ray's long post analyzing koshi but not mentioning the rng lynch just really strikes me as scummy. The point of a random lynch is to circumvent analysis on your first target, giving better odds of hitting scum, and make analysis easier on your second target because of how people reacted to the peoposed random lunch.
- grack is also super scummy from the way he shifted from "I'm pro random lunc" before it was targeted to "koshi is scum" after if was targeted without still defending random lynch. Unwilling to stick up for / defend his views when it comes down to it.
- shiaopi - little harder to analyze because he posted so little before his vote. However the whole concept of "I'm against rng lunch but pro koshi lynch" is not necessarily scummy I guess if you have a strong read on the player (strong enough that you want townies who don't agree with your scum read to vote him anyway because you're so sure you're right and they're wrong. I don't see any evidence in shiaopi's filter that his scum read is strong or even exists on koshi before he voted for him. So voting for him after/becaus he was random lynch targeted but saying you don't suppose the random lynch but having a randomly showing up scum read seems really scummy to me.

On September 29 2013 02:41 Blazinghand wrote:
I try to be helpful even once

I announce it beforehand

and this is what I get

funk being nice. asshole time

On September 29 2013 02:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I can lynch Palmar too, he's scum.

On September 29 2013 02:46 Palmar wrote:


So here's a thought, how about instead of being awful, now that you agree WoS isn't scum, you actually spend the tiny amount of time to consider the people who are you know... actually likely to flip scum.

FT, Hiro, RoL: Go!

On September 29 2013 02:40 WaveofShadow wrote:

lol what the shit? Pushing for yamato lynch and telling me to vote Koshi.

Who's herping and derping now?

On September 29 2013 02:53 Palmar wrote:


WoS is historically awful unless he's taken massive improvements since I last played with him. I mentioned there being a benefit in putting him under pressure at some point, the reason being that I played a game with him where he was town and bad until people wanted to lynch him, and somehow he actually became useful when under pressure. I think this was that game where BC quickhammered me because why not.

However, if WoS is scum, as you suggested at the point, he's engaging very casually in conversation in the thread, making big posts and directly conversing with people. Maybe he's good as scum, but for the most part just doing that is pretty advanced and better than what I'd expect out of WoS.

On September 29 2013 02:58 Blazinghand wrote:
wos makes ko KO NSE hen should be voting for Hus top read. backing off of koshu for shit read sons is shit

PS at dentist so expect four phosts

On September 29 2013 02:59 Palmar wrote:


Maybe. LXI is my baseline.

On September 29 2013 03:01 Blazinghand wrote:
an yone want to swap to rayne? can that be a thing

On September 28 2013 10:26 WaveofShadow wrote:

I dunno man, especially after recent games I'd be pretty mad fucking pissed at first if I were the one chosen by RNG lynch. I'd like to think I'd eventually accept my fate though but I suppose that's sort of hard to predict when it's not actually happening to you. Do you really think YOU would go down without a fight?

Honestly, simply the fact that Koshi provided reads immediately upon realizing he's probably dead is pretty fucking townie. I made this case when the blubbdavid D1 lynch was going in GS and I was right. Heuristic becomes better the closer it is to actual lynch but I've had a townread on Koshi from pretty damn near the start so yeah.

On September 29 2013 03:04 Blazinghand wrote:

and I don't suppose you're down for a wos swap

On September 29 2013 03:09 Blazinghand wrote:
your

On September 29 2013 03:15 Blazinghand wrote:
I'd vote you wos but my vote is needed on the yanato wagon

On September 29 2013 03:57 Oatsmaster wrote:

I think yamato being scum is more likely.

I dont see why scum teams have to be bad to let one of their members die.

On September 29 2013 04:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
He's not even getting lynched right now. WoS saying there's no resistance to yamato lynch is meaningless because he's not getting lynched right now. There is talk but it's just talk right now.

On September 29 2013 04:05 VisceraEyes wrote:
Word that son. Is my vote needed? Its so hard phonevoting.

On September 29 2013 04:17 VisceraEyes wrote:

Why are you thinking in terms of how suspicious you look?

On September 29 2013 04:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
We gonna lynch Yamato instead. You act like you no like.

On September 29 2013 04:29 Grackaroni wrote:

I agree with everything WoS just said about Yamato. Down for a Vayne lynch.

On September 29 2013 04:31 Koshi wrote:
Look if you want to get something out VA you plynch him day 2 and then decide what he does xuring the day. Yamato really not the worst lynch.

On September 29 2013 04:34 Blazinghand wrote:
yayyyyyy

On September 29 2013 04:33 Grackaroni wrote:

Could be a good lynch but kind of iffy on him because he actually came back and started doing some things after his policy lynch vote.

On September 29 2013 04:41 Chairman Ray wrote:
Do we wanna talk about why the transition onto Yamato has been so smooth? Like I mean when we were all on Koshi, there was heavy resistance. After switching onto Yamato, I haven't seen much effort to get back onto Koshi. I'm kinda worried here.

On September 29 2013 05:21 yamato77 wrote:
Awful.

On September 29 2013 05:22 Oatsmaster wrote:
I think Palmar is 3p actually. If they exist.

On September 29 2013 08:42 Blazinghand wrote:
also like what is it with people and me coaching. like if it's scummy to do it, fine, but that's not gonna stop me from saying things that are literally correct and need to be said.

What's scummy isn't coaching, it's coaching instead of scumhunting. It's coaching in an attempt to look like contributing when you're not. Coaching is completely normal town behavior. It's coaching alone that isn't.

So yeah suck on that coach-sayers

On September 29 2013 09:04 VayneAuthority wrote:


Like I said meta isn't enough to convict anyone and the lynch proved that, hence why I didn't vote yamato. He is a terrible day 1 lynch since he can barely tie his shoes as scum past day 2.

There wasn't really much content to base reads on, just people insulting each other and talking about useless stuff. Pretty bad day 1 for people that are town. Just got home and read it all.

On September 29 2013 09:28 VayneAuthority wrote:
You could make a case for things like "you/rayn aren't on the same scum team" or "SnB/palmar arent on the same scum team" but thats about the extent of it. I don't fight rayn and BH spamming that interesting or important to read

On September 30 2013 07:07 Grackaroni wrote:

Hell I don't know. I thought it would be fun. I felt like it. I kind of wanted to see Palmar's reaction but not really.

On September 30 2013 07:11 Grackaroni wrote:

hypotheticaaaaaly I miiiiight have wanted to annoy Palmar. I did promise to be less of an ass though T_T

On September 30 2013 07:19 Pandain wrote:
I think his responses are fine for the moment. He's not more scummy then FT.

Grack have you just been defending yourself or also reading into our alignments and if so what do you think.

On September 29 2013 03:02 WaveofShadow wrote:

You played in Ego with me as well and I had Axle and Tunkeg nailed if I remember correctly. I was certainly capable of playing better than LXI even back then.

In any case, are you going to base all of your perceptions of my play on a game that occurred literally before the halfway point of my time on TL mafia? Because that would be terrible. Are you terrible, Palmar?

On September 29 2013 03:26 WaveofShadow wrote:

Well I'm flattered, but spoken for.
I think I had Palmar as town originally but now I'm curious. What kind of Palmar wouldn't bother putting in the effort to check my play in the months since I've played with him and base his read of me entirely on that?

I'm kinda thinking that's still town Palmar.

On September 30 2013 07:30 Pandain wrote:
If someone would help me understand when hamza occurs and how it differs from without hamza, I would greatly appreciate a PM.

On September 30 2013 07:44 VayneAuthority wrote:
chairman ray at least read the OP please. BH was not shot by the police, it is actually impossible.

POLICE

2 Police (Buddy Cop Team) - By-the-book and loose-cannon cops. Both have a number of items which they can use a set number of times. Some items are exclusive to each cop, others are not. Here is the list:

Precision Shot: if aimed at an unprotected townie, the shot will not fire and be refunded. If aimed at a bulletproofed townie, the cop will think the townie is up to no good and shoot, destroying the vest (but not killing townie). If aimed at a scum, the shot fires and scum will die assuming no protection.

Cocaine-Covered Prius: If delivered to a gang member, will roleblock his entire gang for the night. If delivered to a townie, they will ignore it and you will get your Prius back.

Ambulance: protects a player from any and all KP that night. Can be used on either cop.

Lethal Force: Target one player and he will be shot at the end of the night.

Hollywood CPR: protects target from 1 KP. Target will die if hit by more than 1 KP.

Motorcycle: Switches any two players in the game. All actions done to one player will be done to the other, and vice versa (bus driver).

Walkie-Talkie: For the following day-phase, the player may talk to the target in PM’s.

Stakeout: Shows if the target visited

On September 30 2013 07:49 VayneAuthority wrote:
like there's really no reason to ever use lethal force over precision shot unless they are confirmed 100% scum. he wasn't killed by a cop unless we have monkeys playing the blue roles

On September 30 2013 07:49 VayneAuthority wrote:
unless you want to claim down syndrome cop WoS then I suggest you keep up with the thread

On September 30 2013 07:55 VayneAuthority wrote:


My percentage for identifying scum at endgame is pretty high. Look at my town game will posts and you will find they are usually pretty good. You just have some sort of sick confirmation bias against me for being the worst player of all time or something.

On September 30 2013 08:03 VayneAuthority wrote:


I don't care whether other people or agree with me or not. So no I don't really care too much to "push" lynches. Your condescending tone is very charming and I look forward to future chats.

On September 29 2013 17:22 Koshi wrote:
/in

Willing to sit out for vets.

On September 30 2013 12:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Busy in that other game that shall not be named,

I'll vote Hiro for now.

##Vote: HiroProtagonist

On September 30 2013 13:59 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:


If you look upwards on this very page I have a big post saying hiromafbreh.

I dare not defy the BlazingOne.... FT could be mafia indeed. They are pretty much on the same WAVElength of scumminess. HA. haha. I'm drunk.

On September 30 2013 21:40 Palmar wrote:


Pandain was on my scumteam but I fired him for aids and bads.

(see personality mafia, I have a reason to think pandain is awful as scum).

On September 30 2013 21:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why do people think WoS is town?
I am pretty sure he is not.

On September 30 2013 23:30 strongandbig wrote:
Okay first question. Grack why aren't you voting palmar. I thought you were with me on that. You talked a lot more about him than about the other people you're voting for.

Nothing has changed to persuade me that palmar isn't our best lynch. I don't agree with bh's townread on him - anyone can point things out, and I don't get the same "town feeling" from palmar's later posts that bh did.

Second point. Between shiaopi and firmtofu I would much rather lynch shiaopi.
1. My personal experience is that shiaopi has done much more in past games to show he can contribute as town. This makes his lack of contribution this game scummier than tofu's. people who host games tend to care more about mafia than people who don't, in general.
2. The way shiaopi joined the koshi lynch. Like I said a while ago, I find this actively scummy. No indication prior to the vote that koshi is a scum read. First one to join the randomly generated lynch train, but distances himself from the whole idea of the random lynch, then doesn't talk about it again.
Also this post:

When was Yamato his scumread? Why? I see him "in favor of" a Yamato lynch but I see no reasons and no thought process - nothing that can distinguish it from just voting with town sentiment.


Tofu, on the other hand, I just see as a mega lurker. He voted koshi for te random lynch and owned up to that, which I find to be a townie action.
That said, he did say

And then not do it. But I find shiaopi much more likely to flip scum.

On October 01 2013 00:52 VayneAuthority wrote:
Also, WoS reaction to yet another one of my bait posts was horrible and if FT flips town I would strongly look into him

On October 01 2013 01:08 VayneAuthority wrote:


He was also "one of the least likely people to be scum" in our previous game as scum together. Didn't stop him from being scum. He posts a shit ton and makes long posts either way. I don't really like much of anything he's said this game. If I'm wrong so be it, but I don't think I am.

On October 01 2013 09:50 VisceraEyes wrote:

Comment on something relevant. My mistakes in other games are not relevant here.

On October 01 2013 10:07 VayneAuthority wrote:
pretty much sums it up...half the game has shown what their views are. Hard to continue the game until the other half starts contributing...just playing dat waiting game.

On October 01 2013 10:45 VayneAuthority wrote:


There's a difference between lurking and what I was complaining about. I have made my stances fairly clear I believe.

Besides, I have a 4 page filter which isn't too bad. Hardly lurking.

There's not much to say anyway since people just say "bad" or "wrong" whenever I post anything so I'm fine just chillin' until we lose I guess.

On October 01 2013 11:12 VisceraEyes wrote:
I didn't out shit he's been screaming about it for half of his filter -.-

If he's really a cop scum know it just as well as I do.

On October 01 2013 11:16 austinmcc wrote:
Nope.

Can we play now?

On October 01 2013 11:16 austinmcc wrote:
I liked him for scum, was planning on pushing, now may watch, unsure.

I don't like FT for scum. He first got scrutinized for his early posts:Thread wasn't hopping at the point FT dropped these. If FT is scum, he wanted to get active, post something legitimate, and dropped...that set of posts? No. He has no reason to do that as scum - he doesn't need to finger SP, he doesn't need to tell Grack he's not gonna talk about Grack. He doesn't need to take a hard stance and say eff you guys I'm sleeping.

If FT is scum, I don't think he makes 1/3 of a case on SP, drops a vote on SP, tells grack he's not chatting, and goes to bed. It's messy, it's not crafted, it's very confident that he can tell Grack to shove off. In an odd way, I viewed the lack of explanation that other people are jumping on as scummy but not anti-town?

Like...yes, scum may like dropping votes for no/bad reasons. But townies do it to. And the timing and circumstances of FT's posts here and vote don't strike me as scummy, because scum doesn't have a reason to do this --> add a new candidate, not push that guy, dip from thread (barring scumbuddy being heavily scrutinized at the time, but then I'd expect a real push from FT onto someone else).

One of the reasons I liked Koshi for scum was his quick defense of FT on slightly shaky grounds, that FT was a townie trying to make a "splash" - A lot of my D1 notes are just in relation to FT, who attacked him/defended him for what (except not the last chunk of D1, tl;dr). That defense was slightly wonky, in that I didn't think it was much of a splash, and ... there's not much of an explanation here. He doesn't explain the splash, doesn't say WHY he doesn't find the "splash" scummy.

On October 01 2013 11:16 austinmcc wrote:
I liked him for scum, was planning on pushing, now may watch, unsure.

I don't like FT for scum. He first got scrutinized for his early posts:Thread wasn't hopping at the point FT dropped these. If FT is scum, he wanted to get active, post something legitimate, and dropped...that set of posts? No. He has no reason to do that as scum - he doesn't need to finger SP, he doesn't need to tell Grack he's not gonna talk about Grack. He doesn't need to take a hard stance and say eff you guys I'm sleeping.

If FT is scum, I don't think he makes 1/3 of a case on SP, drops a vote on SP, tells grack he's not chatting, and goes to bed. It's messy, it's not crafted, it's very confident that he can tell Grack to shove off. In an odd way, I viewed the lack of explanation that other people are jumping on as scummy but not anti-town?

Like...yes, scum may like dropping votes for no/bad reasons. But townies do it to. And the timing and circumstances of FT's posts here and vote don't strike me as scummy, because scum doesn't have a reason to do this --> add a new candidate, not push that guy, dip from thread (barring scumbuddy being heavily scrutinized at the time, but then I'd expect a real push from FT onto someone else).

One of the reasons I liked Koshi for scum was his quick defense of FT on slightly shaky grounds, that FT was a townie trying to make a "splash" - A lot of my D1 notes are just in relation to FT, who attacked him/defended him for what (except not the last chunk of D1, tl;dr). That defense was slightly wonky, in that I didn't think it was much of a splash, and ... there's not much of an explanation here. He doesn't explain the splash, doesn't say WHY he doesn't find the "splash" scummy.

On October 01 2013 11:41 austinmcc wrote:
I will tell you, but I need you to phrase your request as if I were a busty hot dog vendress and you were either (a) an intoxicated college student after a night of partying, just looking for a delicious hot dog before going home to pass out or (b) a guy who works at a dog grooming place down the street and regularly comes to the hot dog stand for Tuesday lunch.

On October 02 2013 01:52 VayneAuthority wrote:
nice reads, they pretty much line up perfectly with fine almost. One more cycle and ill probably have this game figured out after a few more people die.