Thug Life Mini Mafia

On September 25 2013 13:10 WaveofShadow wrote:

Are you playing just to troll at this point, Vayne?

On September 25 2013 13:22 WaveofShadow wrote:

I don't even understand what you're talking about.

On September 27 2013 05:30 yamato77 wrote:

Just wait before coming to any rash conclusions

On September 27 2013 05:57 Koshi wrote:

Wait, are you going to play serious?

On September 27 2013 05:59 yamato77 wrote:

Do you REALLY think scum would claim scum?

Townies are stupid.

On September 27 2013 06:01 yamato77 wrote:

LAL is not a perfect policy.

On September 27 2013 06:03 Koshi wrote:

Ok cool. You roll the dice ->random.org<-
Who is it?

On September 27 2013 06:05 yamato77 wrote:

While I don't disagree, I won't be basing my lynch on people claiming scum in their first post on D1.

On September 27 2013 06:18 Grackaroni wrote:
Just to clarify, you guys are voting me because you think I am mafia or because you think I am trolling?

On September 27 2013 13:59 hiro protagonist wrote:

I didnt say he wasn't trolling, just that he was less trolly. hes trolled waaaayyy hard than this.

VA, your here, and actively lurking hardcore. reads? opinons? any thing at all to give me a reason not to lynch you?

On September 27 2013 14:03 WaveofShadow wrote:
You know, a policy lynch of Vayne OR RNG scumlynch would be a D1 victory for me at this point.
Vayne, I think I'll gun for you D1 in every game.

On September 27 2013 15:03 hiro protagonist wrote:
Hmm, VA, in case you dont get it, you need to contribute. you cant just sit there and 'watch'. Unless you give me a good reason for you to just chill back(hint: you cant), then you better start giving me reads. what do you think af the game so far? who is suspicious in your eyes? What might have slipped under the radar?

From this point on, your gonna carry your weight. got it?

On September 28 2013 00:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
How is my case unconvincing? There is no reason for a townie to shit over the town in the beginning of the game and eclare the game is basically lost. There is zero town motivation in that. If you can give me one good reason why promoting badtown atmosphere is townie then i will reconsider my vot.

I have written big cases in past. It does not work because people don't even read what i write in those cases. My case on WoS is simple and easily to be understood. It doesn't need to have anything else. What makes him scum is enough.

And no, i am not scum, and no, i am not being inconsistent.

On September 28 2013 00:43 Oatsmaster wrote:

Meta is an extremely good reason to vote for someone.
Why dont you think so?

On September 28 2013 00:46 Oatsmaster wrote:

Dont you agree that people play certain ways as scum and different ways as town? You arent 'everyone'.

VE, doesnt matter, got whiteknighted.

Why do I have a feeling that Yamato is gonna flip town guys

On September 28 2013 00:48 VisceraEyes wrote:

You're ignoring my post on the matter.

On September 28 2013 00:52 VisceraEyes wrote:

Okay, what about the fact that he said "Grack has been talked about too much for me to lynch"

Does that make sense at all? Like at all? Isn't yamato supposed to be...you know...GOOD if he's town?

On September 28 2013 02:59 ShiaoPi wrote:
ebwop: I mean go back and look at that exchange and tell me a good reason why koshi does not consider the possibility of town!Grack

On September 28 2013 03:04 WaveofShadow wrote:

Hey Vayne, you've played scum with me. What am I like as scum?

On September 28 2013 03:06 Grackaroni wrote:

You're scum aren't you. That wasn't even my strategy that was your strategy. terrible reasoning.
"People know about bussing the vanilla scum for the most part so I'd say Grack is our bus of choice" - Vayne.

You were the first one in the QT to mention the idea of bussing.

On September 28 2013 03:11 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh I see Vayne I guess you missed this post.

On September 28 2013 03:13 Grackaroni wrote:

SO I put an early vote on OP. That didn't work out well in my favor so why would I do the same thing again. Me being right on scum makes me less likely to be town? Are you kidding me? honestly horrible, awful, unbelievably bad reasoning. You are probably trying to play dumb like you did last game.

On September 28 2013 03:15 Grackaroni wrote:

Again you don't think I feel an urge to call out bad reasoning as town?

On September 28 2013 03:18 Grackaroni wrote:

It is bad reasoning because you are just assuming that I cannot possibly be right as town. There's no reason why someone else being scum should point to me being scum.

On September 29 2013 09:02 WaveofShadow wrote:
Hey VA!
Any reads?
Thoughts on the lynch?
Anything at all?

On September 30 2013 02:14 Grackaroni wrote:

that's just WoS. I will be judging you based on how intelligent I think your posts are
Comment on my case. Good/bad/total shit from obvious scum on Koshi's scum team.

On September 30 2013 02:31 Grackaroni wrote:

You think that if those people flip scum Palmar is scum because he is trying to soft-bus them and push for them without actually getting them lynched like me /w BH correct?

I think he is more likely scum if they are town. I think he is scum because rather than looking for scum he is looking for people doing strange things to attack when he can't even explain why the things FT/Hiro/Me do make us more likely scum. He's uninterested and it shows. He normally chooses the day1 lynch and the best he's done so far is prove that FT is an illogical player for choosing to vote SP over me because there was a lot of people discussing me.

On September 30 2013 07:39 Pandain wrote:
Vayne is probably scum. Also a generally good shot. I would suggest cops to shoot him, as it's hard to differentiate his town and scum play.

He's clearly reading due to what he's saying but he's acting like he doesn't give a shit.
Town reads are Cheesecake and SnB.

If Palmar doesn't push today, he's probably scum.

On September 30 2013 07:44 Grackaroni wrote:
Did Rayn ever explain why CR is town?

On September 30 2013 07:46 Chairman Ray wrote:


What about lethal force?

On September 30 2013 07:52 WaveofShadow wrote:

Oooo them's fightin' words.

Whatever I've given up on getting you lynched. If you're town then great, people can be stuck with you at LYLO and lose.
If you're scum, then you'll win and maybe people will learn their lesson not to leave you alive, ever.

FT is the target for today. I have another couple in mind but no time to explain atm.

On September 30 2013 07:57 WaveofShadow wrote:

Have you ever pushed a lynch through as town? Identifying scum means shit all other than giving you a little pen0r boost that you can lord over people in situations like this.
If you don't get scum LYNCHED then fuck your percentages.

I'ma let you continue to contribute though---I think it's particularly hilarious that you think the entirety of D1 was useless. Looking forward to you outing both scumteams!

On September 30 2013 10:19 Pandain wrote:


Or he wants to appear town?

Addressing an argument isn't the same as having inherent guilt.

On September 30 2013 10:22 Pandain wrote:


Well clearly you made of it that he's scummy.

On September 30 2013 15:34 Koshi wrote:
I am going to trow a scumread to CC just based on his confidence level this game. Would be quite crazy if he was bussing HP atm so dnu where the confidence comes from.

On October 01 2013 00:47 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:


You're basing your read on them based solely on the fact that BH got shot?

What about FT? BH was FACEROLLING FT.

On October 01 2013 00:42 WaveofShadow wrote:
No but guys!
Don't lynch VA!
He's totally a useful contributing member of the game!
And he's also very clearly town!

On October 01 2013 01:06 Palmar wrote:


"one of my bait posts" sounded like you had done it multiple times.

Anyway, I think WoS's reaction is quite appropriate. I think Grack is one of the less likely people in the game to be scum, so I don't see an issue with WoS reacting to you voting him.

On October 01 2013 01:14 Palmar wrote:


Difference is I'm actually good at mafia.

On October 01 2013 01:22 Palmar wrote:


This guy is hilarious.

I wonder if intentionally dumb or accidentally dumb.

On October 01 2013 10:33 WaveofShadow wrote:

Need I remind you that you too were lurking until very recently?

Now do you want to 'keep waiting' or do you want to talk?
As is I'm guessing the rest of today is going to be a wash.

On October 02 2013 00:47 ShiaoPi wrote:
Why did you wait for 6 hours to try and push pandain then?
His post about CR's case is like 1 hour after your post in response to CR, why wait?

On October 02 2013 00:50 ShiaoPi wrote:

Just asking, I have no clue from which part of US you are (as if I knew your bazillion timezones anyway), so the difference was weird to me

On October 02 2013 01:57 WaveofShadow wrote:

VA: You always think you have games figured out even when you don't.


Rayn I like that last post even if I don't necessarily agree with the reads. Find it difficult to believe you'd put that much thought into trying to actually determine both scumteams through association as scum, though I suppose that's predicated on whether those scumteams/reads make sense in relation to each other, which I haven't done the fact checking on.

No martyring. If you're town I'm not lynching you and I'm not lynching Palmar. It would be nice to have a game where we both have solid townreads on each other for once---can you please try and discover what it was exactly that made you change your mind about me for the final time? That really confuses me.

On October 02 2013 02:00 WaveofShadow wrote:

Yup, you totes caught me.
Use your brain for a second.

On October 02 2013 02:03 WaveofShadow wrote:

Because i've read your posting in obs QTs.
You don't have the scumteam nailed down nearly as often as you think you do.

On October 02 2013 02:06 WaveofShadow wrote:
VAYNE YOU FUCKING IDIOT. (ADHOMADHOMADHOMADHOM)
You said 'I'll ahve this game figured out.'
You always say shit like 'My D1 reads are always accurate.'
So based on my observances of you I make a statement that that is false.

Do you need me to come over to your house and spell it out with fucking fisher price letters?

Holy balls you are infuriatingly obtuse.

On October 02 2013 02:12 WaveofShadow wrote:

Because your play makes me angry.
You're arrogant and have absolutely zero reason to be.

it seems it's actually gotten to a point where your sheer presence in a game fucks with mine. I won't be playing games with you any more.

On October 02 2013 09:51 austinmcc wrote:
Stupidity/random questions/paint pictures > ad homs.

I actually had a bit I deleted about how you say you don't like to push your lynches/reads, and that's fine, but I feel like this is a separate matter.

This is just about presenting a full thought, or presenting any sort of read. That post is entirely air, imo (anyone else, feel free to weigh in here). I have found you scummy in games you've presented reads, yeah, but I don't think you can claim that the post about who might have killed BH is a read or something like that.

On October 02 2013 09:55 Pandain wrote:
Vayne do you still believe this:

On October 02 2013 10:00 Pandain wrote:


I just find it surprising that if you believe I am so certain scum you aren't lynching me.

On October 02 2013 09:58 austinmcc wrote:
I have no problem with that, if you actually want to play in that matter.

But, to me, that's a reason to be suspicious/scummy on you.

Because if you want to present concise reads and not waste your breath, then that post about how 1/4 of the thread might have killed BH is not a concise read and IS a waste of breath. Heck, that's why it sticks out, because it appears to be exactly the sort of thing you say you don't care about, but you posted it anyway. Reads like a post made for activity's sake/trying to look like you're analyzing something.

On October 02 2013 09:58 WaveofShadow wrote:

No ad homs but indirectly insults everyone else in the game.
Ugh every post you make baits me.

On October 02 2013 10:04 Pandain wrote:


I thought you unvoted me for SP.

On October 02 2013 10:06 austinmcc wrote:
I think if you have 3 clear scum reads, that is sexy and good.

However, THIS post is NOT 3 clear scum reads:
And this is the post that I keep coming back to and having trouble with. I'm specifically talking about that single post, and you don't present those people as clear scumreads there, imo.

(Side note: When I want to find that post, I open your full filter and do a search for the word boner, because I know it appears in that post and no others.....)

If you're using "these people interacted with BH" as part of thinking all three of those people are scum, then I also find that wonky, as it's unlikely they all got together and shot BH.

On October 02 2013 10:06 Pandain wrote:

You unvoted me several hours ago, I still could have been a lynch. From what I understand many people suspect me.

On October 02 2013 10:07 WaveofShadow wrote:
Martyring hasn't been a scumtell since...I dunno.
Can't even think of the last game where a scum martyred Maybe Bluelightz---I think DrH did.
Other than that, always townies. Terrible terrible townies.

On October 02 2013 10:28 austinmcc wrote:
The sad thing is I legitimately find that scummy. Whenever I've asked random dumb questions to people, town has responded and scum have ducked them/said they don't understand/not responded. It's 2/2 on catching scum even though it's not supposed to, never should, and I don't understand.

If WoS is scum, I might actually have to put some credence in reads based on stupid crap, and I'm not sure I'm ready for that world yet.

On October 02 2013 10:30 Grackaroni wrote:
I think some bus driving may be in order. I don't suggest Walkie Talkie, probably not worth it unless it's super cheap.

On October 02 2013 10:31 austinmcc wrote:
(Except unless you're a cop you don't know whether those abilities are split between the two or both on one)

On October 02 2013 10:39 Grackaroni wrote:

then I will never be lynched and you will sit back and watch me win in end game. Town won't lynch me without your input.

On October 03 2013 01:21 Koshi wrote:
Just so I understand this plan. If the cops would walkie talkie you, would you have anything interesting to say in PMs or are you just going to be the guy that tells the entire thread what the gathered information is?

On October 03 2013 01:22 WaveofShadow wrote:

How would that make it any different at all?
If FT is scum and gets protected then it's the same problem, and then you're masoned with scum which could go either way, and doesn't necessarily prove anything.

On October 03 2013 01:25 Koshi wrote:

Isn't it easier to just tell the thread the gathered information on D3 and then just bus that cop on N4 and onwards?

On October 03 2013 01:26 austinmcc wrote:
Which maybe works except maybe those abilities are on the same cop so we can't know what they're going to do. It's two dudes with a list of powers and a mason chat and 120 hours by now. If they can't figure out what good things are for them to be doing, then....

Plus gang members have the pay phone dealy, so there's no guarantee that when someone masons you, they're automatically da popo. Gotta actually figure out whether you trust em.

All that aside, VA isn't super mega scummy for suggesting that. Again, I'm more worried about the followup, people who read the comment but didn't think things through (or did and realized that it's not as airtight as originally thought)

On October 03 2013 06:30 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh and
##Vote: FirmTofu
Because this fucking guy needs to die already.

Oh other thoughts I had regarding NK---was there some busdriving or something going on? I can't understand why any scumteam would kill Grack or honestly even SnB. Maybe scumteams just decided to play it safe and shoot wherever they assumed there'd be no protection and not care whether they hit scum or town.

Yeah probably not busdriving. Imo scum probably find it more important to eliminate those that aren't themselves first before worrying about stronger townies. With one cop down they may start shooting at stronger targets tomorrow night.

On October 03 2013 06:48 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Is 1 KP really missing? 4 deaths in two nights. 2 x 2 = 4. Hiro obviously wasnt a cop shot. Maybe SnB was, however. Idk how we're missing one KP for sure.

On October 03 2013 07:21 austinmcc wrote:
Yesterday
Today "SnB defended FT so he scum"

Me no likey.

On October 03 2013 07:10 Pandain wrote:
What about me Vayne. FT relies on meta and widow arguments but I'm objectively scummy

On October 03 2013 08:29 WaveofShadow wrote:

You mean better.

On October 03 2013 08:40 WaveofShadow wrote:

Better for RNG silly.

On October 03 2013 12:14 Pandain wrote:



Simply because of this post I will never lynch FT this game. It may be stupid of me, but this feels so genuine and real from what I've seen him post in previous games, and it's not reactive of a scum who may have simply failed to lynch another scum.

On October 04 2013 08:54 Pandain wrote:


I think you are playing a good scum game but your role speculation which isn't sensible and logical unless you have inside knowledge reveals you. Additionally your lack of pushing reveals you.

It's day three and you say usually by now you're fitting pieces together and you're dangerous in the end-game. It's 8-5 town/scum ratio. Where's your end-game fitting in? All I see is an easy vote on FT.




I'm not as concerned about Pa's due to the fact that I know what I post. I also think we should actually lynch scum, and my reasons for lynching Palmar are too policy oriented(although there are some good suspicions) to justify me voting him and to justify you voting him.

On October 04 2013 09:05 Pandain wrote:


Ignore that for the most part, I'm more concerned with the Grack vote and the failure to actually push or prod me palmar or Grack . You voted Grack but never advocated for him.

On October 04 2013 09:12 Pandain wrote:


So you're just going to vote someone and hope they get lynched?
When you voted Grack you immediately got called out by two players, and never pushed him further.

Palmar never got voted and only vote on me was by you.

On October 04 2013 09:17 Pandain wrote:


Then why even post at all?

To me all your proving is that you should get policy lynched every day.

On October 04 2013 10:11 WaveofShadow wrote:

Dunno 'cause either FT is scum and I win, or he's town and I think it would be hilarious if we lynched a townie despite the biggest defense case I have ever seen anyone make.

It's win-win.

On October 04 2013 12:29 Pandain wrote:
Can we also lynch VA for taunting me

On October 02 2013 04:57 hiro protagonist wrote:
real quick before the deadline.

Most likely town: VE, WoS, Grack, Koshi, austin

null: Palmer, ryan, VA, CR.

People I once thought as town, but are now slightly scummy: SaB, Panda, Oats

Scummy: Shiao... damn, doin up this list makes me realize how little other strong scum reads I had...

On October 04 2013 12:59 VisceraEyes wrote:
Nonono, scum don't win until ALL the townies are dead...right?

On October 05 2013 02:07 Koshi wrote:
##Unvote:
##Vote: Palmar

I am waiting on VA wisdom

On October 05 2013 02:53 Pandain wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Palmar

##Unvote
##Vote VA


There now he should be in the lead

On October 05 2013 05:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
This gunna be very interesting. VE i think we should vest ourselves tonight.

On October 05 2013 05:31 austinmcc wrote:
I do not want to kill Pandain next. While he did try and skirt Palmar as the alternative to FT, he put in so much fanatical work that I think he would have given up sooner/done less as scum.

On October 05 2013 05:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Do you think the game is not gonna finish if we die? :D

On October 05 2013 05:37 s0Lstice wrote:


This is correct. Pandain was way too try-hard this day. When he was doing his Vayne thing, Palmar was by no means a sure thing. Don't look too far into it i.e. Pandain was trying to save Palmar! FT had a looot of play throughout the day.

Oats is next imo.

On October 05 2013 05:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Actually lol.. I already forgot about that. That's a pretty fucking interesting theory.

On October 05 2013 08:15 VisceraEyes wrote:


I think we have our winner. Sorry VA, but I'm gonna side with the boys on this one. Tomorrow you get to convince me to remove my vote from you. For science.

On October 05 2013 08:19 VisceraEyes wrote:

Oh I'll be using my vest tonight friend. And I'll be asking that austin do the same. We've got to figure out if Wave is scum together while we remove you from the premises.

On October 05 2013 09:10 VisceraEyes wrote:

Mine was the whole wanting to policy lynch you then being so vehemently against it, to the point of spite, when Pandain was all about lynching you.

On October 05 2013 09:13 VisceraEyes wrote:
So you would hold hands with your arch nemesis to lynch Oats tomorrow VA?

On October 05 2013 09:39 Koshi wrote:
VA. Do you think 1 team shot both SnB and Hiro? Is it possible. How much % chance do you give it?

On October 05 2013 09:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You might be right Vayne, it makes the most sense.
But you are wrong, none of the teams is loaded.

On October 05 2013 11:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Don't worry VE. Go on with what you were doing, it was good.
I'll make a post tomorrow about the scum people.

On October 05 2013 11:26 austinmcc wrote:
WoS has posted more than cheese, CR, and at least in my head, solstice and oats. All under consideration.

But this isn't an activity lynch at this point. We've got flips, we've got days of play, we've got SOME associations at this point. Is there another player in the maybe list that you think fits the bill for being on that scumteam better than WoS?

Cuz you said Oats. But you didn't really get specific beyond Oat's activity. Anything else beyond that?

On October 05 2013 11:28 VisceraEyes wrote:
Ugh why do scum think it's fun making me rage

I was having fun this game too. Fuck you Vayne.

On September 24 2013 08:32 Pandain wrote:
I'll be back later tonight.

In case I (somehow) get shot before I come back, here is my last good read(and advice).


Emotion makes people towns

Basically read any analysis. Scum are the ones who are inherently afraid to post, while town doesn't have that limitation. Because of this, any scum post, unless they're on the verge of being lynched(or a scum mate is), is going to be forced post rather than a genuine one.

I think it's very hard to fake an emotion resulting from feeling bad this game. Mafia you don't even really feel bad, because you have a team to rest it on. You weren't playing bad, you were playing "well", simply as mafia. They didn't know.

But if you're town and others criticize you, that hurts.

Gertript is known for pulling off crazy tricks. Or at least, he did it in Aperture.


This post is too genuine for me. First, scum don't say they don't feel the game as an excuse. Actually to be fair they definitely can, but I have never seen a scum use an excuse like that. Because scum actually do feel for the game, it is hard to post posts which go against directly what you believe.

To clarify further, being interested in the game(having a feel for it), and being interested in solving it are the two distinctions between emotion in mafia.

Is this clear?

Gertrip if you're reading this, I know how you feel. I felt exactly the same way in a weird Caller Japenese themed game. I was sure that Ace was scum but no one believed me. Eventually I was convinced I had no idea what to believe. And I hated it because I was confused.

Keep at it man, and look at Palmar. He improved so much despite people constantly shit-talking him. Don't give up, and look at other people besides DP. I don't think shooting him is a good idea, even if you think he's mafia, because he is so strong later on.

On October 05 2013 08:42 Pandain wrote:
me?
you literally think I'm mafia?

The only guy trying to stave a lynch off a townie and lynch decondou/stutters?

On October 04 2013 22:25 Pandain wrote:
No because FT is the guy that would flip town

On October 06 2013 00:42 VisceraEyes wrote:
Ugh if there are two KP tonight that brings us to 5tv4s

Those are still long odds.