THE ACTUAL COP ACTIONS:
N1: precision shot VE/ambulance hiro
N2: precision shot SnB/prius on WoS (confirms WoS) as town.
So about N1.
Here's hiro in thread:
On September 28 2013 16:51 hiro protagonist wrote:
Sense everyone else is given out there scum teams:
VE/FT/ and mayyyyyybeeeee ShiaoPo
On September 28 2013 17:44 hiro protagonist wrote:
Yep. BH get in here and fix this mess you started!
The real work will be sorting out the those that are trolling as town vs those who are trolling as mafia. I get the feeling that VE is was starting shit for fun and then let it get out of control. His fault, but not necessarily a scummy move. just a bad move.
WoS on the other hand... He has been doing antitown shit all day, but I feel his actions have more intention behind them than VE's does. Hes on my radar.
starting out with VE suspicion. He was pretty nervous about VE's scum game in QT. I didn't have a problem with the check.
After the check:
On September 30 2013 09:55 hiro protagonist wrote:BH noooo. Anyway, looks like some people got some questions. first off, my "scum slip" in posting only one scumteam. That post was more emotional than logical. I was Mad at the state of the thread at the time and kinda took it out on WoS and VE, who I felt deserved the most responsibility for its current state. look at that post in context with my other posts at the time: + Show Spoiler +On September 28 2013 16:43 hiro protagonist wrote:Time to call out some bullshit: Show nested quote +On September 28 2013 14:24 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 28 2013 14:22 Koshi wrote:
Wyy are you letting this happen WoS? I'm not sure honestly. I'm caught up in the fun of being bad I suppose? What the fuck is this? First you act all apathetic, and now, after making some sob story about how a bad town "broke your heart", your gonna do the same bad town play? especially after posts like this: Show nested quote +On September 28 2013 04:10 WaveofShadow wrote:You didn't shut everyone down in that game either. You yelled at people to vote for me but you did allow the conversation to go to other places at times. I dunno I'm kinda disappointed I was expecting more. Anyway FT read: His entire 1-page filter reads like a scum manual. On September 27 2013 15:18 FirmTofu wrote:
Ok, my first impressions are that Yamato, WoS, and VE look super town. Grack is probably scum. His posting is terrible.
I've never played a legit game with BH or Palmar, so I can't read them yet. 1) Give strong players townreads, throw out a couple others just to keep people honest, and be honest regarding unknowns, you don't want anyone on your ass you can't handle. On September 27 2013 15:35 FirmTofu wrote:Okay, so my best scum read right now is ShiaoPi. He's been around, but hasn't contributed. His filter is all one liners with basically no substance. Now, I know ShiaoPi is a lot better than how he's playing right now. I want to know why he is playing below is full potential. Filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=429897&user=ShiaoPi
RNG debate. Statistically, it is a great idea to randomly choose a day one lynch. There are 6 scum between us. 6/20= .3 I don't think the best scumhunters among us can lynch with greater accuracy on Day 1 than 30%. However, I also don't think there is any method by which we can decide a fair way to choose a random kill. We would need an unbiased party to use random.org or something. We don't have any confirmed town, so discussing this topic is pointless. Lynching randomly is impractical and unfeasible. Stop wasting time discussing this pointless topic. 2) RNG is BAD. No town will ever go for this so make sure to shut it down to look as towny as possible. Just in case this game actually is different though (considering the statistics) make it look like you'll consider it to appease people. On September 27 2013 15:38 FirmTofu wrote:On September 27 2013 15:36 Grackaroni wrote:On September 27 2013 15:18 FirmTofu wrote:
Ok, my first impressions are that Yamato, WoS, and VE look super town. Grack is probably scum. His posting is terrible.
I've never played a legit game with BH or Palmar, so I can't read them yet. Thanks for the detailed explanations. Care to explain? We've already discussed you quite enough. There are at least 5 other scummers out there. I'm interested in discussing as many people as possible. I'll discuss you if you end up being the #1 or #2 candidate later in the day. 3) Oh yeah, I gave this guy a scumread based on nothing huh? I'll delay this as long as I can and maybe people will forget. On September 28 2013 03:30 FirmTofu wrote:
##vote: Koshi
I'm keeping my word here. BH's solution to the RNG problem is quite inventive. I will double check if it was truly random, but if it was I'm sticking with Koshi.
30% are pretty good odds.
BH, why aren't you voting Koshi? On September 28 2013 03:38 FirmTofu wrote:
Anyone who supports RNG, myself included, should still scumhunt and make full use of the day. There is still much to say and much to find. Anyone who stops scumhunting should be subject to lynch as well. On September 28 2013 03:43 FirmTofu wrote:
Blazinghand is town. He's actively pushing the thread forward and his read on on me seems genuine. Forcing people to take sides on the RNG debate was a brilliant idea. Helps us out a great deal by holding people accountable for their empty stances. He's completely wrong about me, but his sincerity is clearly apparent. 4) Shit, strong town player is on to me! Better appease him too and I have to stick with my RNG stance now that the bluff has been called! The only issue I have with this narrative is it almost seems...too obvious? Also regarding what I said about BH's progression of the RNG discussion by actually RNGing someone----would scum really get caught by that? I'm not going to use 'too scummy to be scum' here because I hate that heuristic, but this would be a very good place for it. Overall i'd have to lean scum simply based on the narrative but also based on what I know about my thoughts towards RNG and how I acted about it vs how FT did. If we're 'Keeping it Simple, Stupid,' FT must be scum. FT, scum in your book, but oh whats that? VE says I should Rado lynch? good enough for me, lets make history and do TL's first ever Rado lynch yaaaaahhhh!!! hey guys, VE made me do it... On September 28 2013 16:51 hiro protagonist wrote:
Sense everyone else is given out there scum teams:
VE/FT/ and mayyyyyybeeeee ShiaoPo On September 28 2013 17:03 hiro protagonist wrote:If where done trolling for the moment I would like to bring up this: Show nested quote +On September 28 2013 05:27 Pandain wrote:I have read several of Yamato's DAY ONES as town and have noted several town trends: Town Day One Play:Comprehensive in outlook, can tunnel but comments on all things Aperture + Show Spoiler + On August 30 2013 21:51 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 16:19 Onegu wrote:
Slam stop for realz this like like the 6-7th pic or vid you have posted, one every other day is okish but this is just bad spam. This was a very poor way to enter the thread. FOS Onegu On August 30 2013 22:02 yamato77 wrote:
WoS you are kinda playing weird. On August 30 2013 22:38 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 21:31 kitaman27 wrote:On August 30 2013 14:19 Dandel Ion wrote:
While I have not read the role PM yet (DEAL WITH IT), I will probably have the same role as him (it's likely, but one can never be sure) How original. This was just so fun the first five times someone did this that I can totally understand. On August 30 2013 19:59 Dandel Ion wrote:
Hello and good morning peoples.
In light of the truth and only the truth, I will henceforth play the game as such:
1) lurking
2) trolling
3) spamming
4) blatantly playing anti-town
are nowadays TOWNTELLS. Therefor, people doing these things I will consider confirmed town by sitemeta.
snb is automatically confirmed town because he always does 1) 2) and 4) (while attacking people for doing the same thing, which is actually town-point 4.5) btw )
Scumtells are now:
1) playing the game
2) being reasonable and/or calm
3) decent activity
4) being "pro-town"
5) trying to find a lynch (lynching is mean)
As such,
##Vote Koshi
With Regards,
Dandel, Master of Meta Mafia podcast thread has an entire discussion about how mafia players will start to take advantage of the troll meta and there is no reason for a town player to play like this. Proceeds to over the top troll. Policy lynch time! ##Dandel Ion oh, this was kita's first post actually, he is a good lynch. On August 31 2013 07:04 yamato77 wrote:Caught up, things to reply to: Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 01:14 Cephiro wrote:Alrighty. It seems like there has been some interesting discussion going on. I very strongly think that unless the situation is extremely favourable for town, everyone except town should be killed. What I mean is, different 3rd parties are just as good as scum to me. geriptNeeds to be killed. Keeps begging for gun, has listed several people he would like to kill without proper reasoning. If he's town, he needs to step up and become serious. In my opinion, he hasn't shown any intent of playing pro-town. He tries to make some kind of contact with almost everyone, yet it's all non-committing. yamato77A general bad vibe. Flip-flops on WaveOfShadow. It feels like he's trying to establish a connection without content, as he doesn't want it to be a raised issue. + Show Spoiler +On August 30 2013 22:31 yamato77 wrote:
Calm down, WoS. I just told you I'm not that interested in you atm. It is impossible to say for sure yet, but a possibility is that he's trying to create a false sense of communication with a scumbuddy. There are many times when the scum player can be found not for his connections, but for the lack of them. VayneAuthorityOn August 30 2013 16:09 VayneAuthority wrote:
No I don't think he's scum yet but that he would be a good shot. This single sentence alone (references to his opinion about me), is enough for me to raise my suspicions. If you're town, why would you want to kill someone that you think isn't scum? Especially without delving further into the matter, or not even mentioning if he thinks I could be a 3rd party? What I feel from this line is fear. And town does not need to fear me. There is a ton of people flying under the radar at the moment, but for now there isn't very much to do about it. I'll be more than happy to pressure them, but given what we have seen already there are more urgent matters at hand. @KoshiMay I please have your item? My powers exceed it's. I will forward it to anyone that town wants the next day. Calls me scum for my interactions with WoS that look like scum interacting with scum, but doesn't think WoS is scum in the same post. Bullshit. Would lynch. Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 01:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
cakepie, mkfuba, randombum, TheRavensName
With so many people who have done literally nothing this game, I'd be willing to bet my very life that there's at least one scum in this list.
I almost added ObviousOne to this list, but he's done one thing - which is one more than these dudes have done.
How do people feel about lynching into lurkers today? I'm for it. Better list: kita/Ceph/geript/Risen Not lurkers, but actual possible mafia. Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 01:48 Cephiro wrote:On August 31 2013 01:42 VayneAuthority wrote:On August 31 2013 01:40 Cephiro wrote:
You keep claiming you are not scum, but you never even mention the thought you could be town. You are clearly a 3rd party afraid of me. Care to elaborate on your reasons to play very pro-town? of course you want to paint me as a third party when you know I'm not actually scum. And revealing my role makes it completely worthless but I'm trying to hint here. its very useful. See, you're not even trying to deny it. You're clearly NOT TOWN. Unless you provide a very good reason how you are of benefit for the town, you should be killed. Why should we keep anyone not town around otherwise? The underlined is an interesting reaction. I never called you specifically scum or 3rd party at first, until my latest message. All I said up to that point were my suspicions of you. You could very well be scum, but your responses are screaming "3rd party." And as long as you are anything but town, you should die for all I care. @VE: To answer your earlier question: I am up for a lurker lynch today if that is the only way we're going to gain majority, but I think we have much better options available we should go for. Still might be scum, is definitely obsessed with the idea that VA is 3P. Claim makes no sense from VA but this dude is definite suspect. Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 02:25 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Hi. Can we lynch this guy? If I have to explain why, you are not town or bad. On August 31 2013 00:24 Felkyr wrote:
Hi guys. Sorry about me being late and acting as a 'lurker'. I've caught up with the thread now.
What I would like to elaborate on is the Null Talisman. It's the first item we've seen and I think it might be potentially very dangerous (or good of course). Now that Koshi has revealed it, it will surely come into play fast.
Some thoughts:
1) Why did Koshi reveal it? It might be that it blocks his role in some way. Of course, he could just have given it away then anonymously. But now it makes him appear town?
2) Can we trust Clarity to give him the item? I would be very careful with that.
3) On the other hand, now it is revealed, we can be quite sure scum will be after it. If there is about 6 scum (?), there might be a thief and someone who can use it in their advantage.
4) If scum would want to steal the item, how many nights would it take for them to actually use it? One night to steal, one night to give to someone who can use it, one night to actually use it. That's a long time.
5) Has someone a better idea on how the item exchange works? When Koshi gives the item away and it gets stolen on the same night, what happens first? That which is PMed first?
On another note, I don't understand Slam at all. But I have the feeling he says important things in his posts. ##Vote: Felkyr Added Felkyr to list. I agree that his post looks like mafia. Good work CC. Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 02:33 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:I also want to lynch Risen because this is his entire filter. On August 30 2013 15:25 Risen wrote:
I'm so confused by this game. On August 30 2013 15:39 Risen wrote:On August 30 2013 15:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
How about how the fuck we're ever going to win this game with 12 people posting out of 30.
I'm so goddamn sick of lurk.
Geript if I could give you a gun and you'd fire 3 bullets into the air and they'd fall and land on some fucking useless chaff then I would. That's a little harsh considering the game has very recently started. Seems to me like you're trying to find something to appear active. You should try and tone it back a little, just makes you look like you're puffing up your post count. On August 30 2013 15:39 Risen wrote:
EBWOP: In hindsight, that's probably considered a filler post as well. Says he has no idea what's going on and flings shit at random dude. Let's not lynch rather active people D1. POST OR DIE BITCHES Risen's opening posts are also horrible. CC best town. Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 03:00 Blazinghand wrote:On August 31 2013 01:14 Cephiro wrote:
geript
Needs to be killed. Keeps begging for gun, has listed several people he would like to kill without proper reasoning. If he's town, he needs to step up and become serious. In my opinion, he hasn't shown any intent of playing pro-town. He tries to make some kind of contact with almost everyone, yet it's all non-committing.
geript is your typical low-hanging fruit / lynchbait townie, as he often is. let me rephrase what you've said here geript: "keeps begging for a gun, has stuck his neck out and stated who he wants to kill, even if he hasn't fully reasoned it though. We're less than 24 hours in the game, and geript is being his usual non-seriosu stuff. He is being very active and trying to at least make some contact with every player!" well shit now he sounds like not a good lynch huh You know who's a good lynch? Cephiro check out dis shit On August 30 2013 13:28 Cephiro wrote:On August 30 2013 13:26 geript wrote:
Yes I could. No I won't. You wouldn't understand the differences unless you had a good understanding of him. If you're going into the territory of "meta", by trying to say that "that's not how he usually trolls / that's not his town-trolling", you shouldn't even play Mafia. Or is this the point where I accuse you of trying undermine me and my intelligence by false claims and giving you an out, not having to explain yourself? Cephiro claims that he can't deal with a meta of trolls, but doesn't want to admit that to do otherwise is to policy lynch trolling. I'm not saying I'm not down for that, but if you gotta call a horse a horse and say "I dont' like geript's style, so even though I don't think he's scum, I want to lynch him anyways" if that's what your'e doing. His interaction with VA, although it seems at first to be the classic "overzealous townie" style, is in fact far more insidious. Take a look: On August 31 2013 01:40 Cephiro wrote:
You keep claiming you are not scum, but you never even mention the thought you could be town. You are clearly a 3rd party afraid of me. Care to elaborate on your reasons to play very pro-town? On August 31 2013 01:48 Cephiro wrote:
See, you're not even trying to deny it. You're clearly NOT TOWN. Unless you provide a very good reason how you are of benefit for the town, you should be killed. Why should we keep anyone not town around otherwise?
OK so what is going on here? Well, VA is, well, kinda joking around and posted and acrostic saying "I AM NOT SCUM". Was it worth his time? No. Was it useful to town? No. Is it a scumtell? I don't really see why. The fact that he wrote "i am not scum" rather than "i am town" isn't like a scumslip or anything, that's just how he chose to phrase it. Cephiro is going all lou ferrigno on this guy for phrasing his claim to be town differently. This isn't overzealous townie, this is someone trying to play overzealous townie. overzealous townies cling to hard to certain pieces of evidence, go over the top, and push/tunnel hard, but almost always these pieces of evidence are pieces of evidence that make sense. Cephiro doesn't make sense. The fact that he is loud, or that he tried pushing a relatively defenseless player (geript) should not be mitigating factors. Let's lynch him. ##vote Cephiro Agree with BH here to an extent. Weary of wily scum BH. Kita still maybe scum, more interested in speculating setup that scum WOULDN'T know 100% about than actually finding mafia. Geript scum with that unlynchable claim for sure. - I know less appliable because of mini but still note: + Show Spoiler + On August 30 2013 01:49 yamato77 wrote:
I'm really only interested in figuring out the alignments of Marv and Hapa, because if they are town they will figure the rest of you out and we'll win the game. If they are scum we lynch them and the game becomes far easier to figure out. So forgive me for ignoring everyone else, my posts will be focused on them.
First of all, the way Marv entered the thread earlier today acting superior is a "holier than thou" attitude that I would not expect from town Marv towards two players he has played with so much in the past (Oats and myself). Mind you, his interactions with us basically served no purpose other than to establish his early activity, discredit my early vote, and to shit up the thread with Oats. He doesn't think either of us are mafia. Plenty of mafia motivation in his actions there. Since then, of course, he's been pro-town, but I know he's more than capable of that for at least a few hours.
What is even more perplexing to me is that Hapa, when questioned about the alignment of Marv, specifically said that this did not look like a "holier-than-thou" scum-Marv. If Hapa was town and Marv scum, he may be the only one well-versed enough in the wiles of mafia Marvellosity to truly push his lynch, but this shows that he's either not reading Marv very closely or has pre-decided what he thinks of Marv with some information from out of the thread. Either way, this is what a mafia Hapa would be like regarding Marv as either alignment. I may yet be wrong and this could be attributable to Hapa being up late and tired from all the awesome DotA we played, but it's something to note.
Aside from those interactions, I've yet to be particularly impressed by the scumhunting efforts of either player, but it is still in the first half of D1 and there is time yet to do better. Hapa going after debears was not what I usually see out of him as town.
If anyone wants to talk about the alignment of these two, feel free to respond. I will be on thread later. On August 30 2013 08:18 yamato77 wrote:Giant post inc
RE: Marvellosity/HapahauliShow nested quote +On August 30 2013 06:37 marvellosity wrote:On August 30 2013 06:33 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Marv
Can you comment on this Hopeless thing?
Also, comments on my Syl/Onegu/Yamato thoughts from above would be appreciated. yamato we'll see, his big post on you/me was full of logic fail (hapa can read marv, hapa is reading marv differently than me, hapa is suspicious), but in a way it's egotistical enough to come from town. if he doesn't do much else he's gonna look worse super fast. Show nested quote +On August 29 2013 19:24 Hapahauli wrote:On August 29 2013 19:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
...
Hapa wanna lynch marv? Why would I want to do that? I'm actually leaning town on marv because he seems legitimately impatient/offended at the people attacking him. And not in a scum-marv "holier than thou" way. This post is Hapa's read on Marv. It's also entirely truthful in Hapa's assessment of scum Marv's play. We've talked about this before on skype many times, and he's said that this is how he "catches" scum Marv. What I disagree with is his conclusion, that this game is somehow NOT indicative of this scum-Marv attitude. Show nested quote +On August 29 2013 18:44 marvellosity wrote:
Back to marv calling yamato out for being bad who is simultaneously telling town they don't know how to play day 1 (you don't catch me doing this) Not holier-than-thou, eh? I beg to differ. Like I said, Hapa is either not reading closely enough (never seen town Hapa do this) or has already decided Marv's alignment (town Hapa wouldn't do this either). My post wasn't "fail-logic". I know what I'm talking about. As a follow up to this read, Hapa posts this: Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 04:58 Hapahauli wrote:@ YamatoFirst of all, the way Marv entered the thread earlier today acting superior is a "holier than thou" attitude that I would not expect from town Marv towards two players he has played with so much in the past (Oats and myself). Mind you, his interactions with us basically served no purpose other than to establish his early activity, discredit my early vote, and to shit up the thread with Oats. He doesn't think either of us are mafia. Plenty of mafia motivation in his actions there. Since then, of course, he's been pro-town, but I know he's more than capable of that for at least a few hours.
What is even more perplexing to me is that Hapa, when questioned about the alignment of Marv, specifically said that this did not look like a "holier-than-thou" scum-Marv. If Hapa was town and Marv scum, he may be the only one well-versed enough in the wiles of mafia Marvellosity to truly push his lynch, but this shows that he's either not reading Marv very closely or has pre-decided what he thinks of Marv with some information from out of the thread. Either way, this is what a mafia Hapa would be like regarding Marv as either alignment. I may yet be wrong and this could be attributable to Hapa being up late and tired from all the awesome DotA we played, but it's something to note. 1Marv sounds very bitchy to me. In fact, it sounds as if his emotions are a bit out of control when responding to things. 2When marv is scum, he says things that people want to hear, and doesn't antagonize the vocal town population. It sounds like you two got into a fight, and your ego's are preventing both of you from backing down from each other. 1 Bitchy isn't somewhat of a holier-than-thou way of acting? If all you do is complain about the play of others, doesn't that imply that you put yourself on a pedestal above them? 2 Doesn't this sort of contradict your earlier assessment of his scum play? And it doesn't seem like he's agreeing, for the most part, with the most vocal/influential players in the game (yourself, rayn to an extent)? Notably, he's largely avoided interacting with me about my reads. He didn't even respond to my post until you asked him to. Doesn't that seem a bit off? Also, on the topic of debears, you said this: Show nested quote +Aside from those interactions, I've yet to be particularly impressed by the scumhunting efforts of either player, but it is still in the first half of D1 and there is time yet to do better. Hapa going after debears was not what I usually see out of him as town.
If anyone wants to talk about the alignment of these two, feel free to respond. I will be on thread later. Really? I haven't gone after someone early on in the other 70 games I've played with you? It's not so much that you're going after someone (in fact I expect you to do that), it's that you picked someone already under some pressure (debears) and the post you made about him was... lackluster. For reference: Show nested quote +On August 29 2013 19:09 Hapahauli wrote:@ Marv, Yamato, Oats, and RaynPlay nice. Between the four of you, there is enormous thread-shitting potential, and how town does in this game is going to be determined by how well everyone can get along together. If you are town, stop with the antagonism. Going around and burning every bridge you can in this game is not how Day 1 is played.
##Vote DebearsOf all the people in the thread so far, Debears' push on Sciberia bothers me the most. I really don't understand the suspicions on scib all that much, and he's firmly null in my mind. On August 29 2013 13:19 debears wrote:
#vote scibs
his game reminds me of his scum game.
I see a divide btw him and rayn. I definitely dony see both as scum.
this smurf tonka stuff seems to be overreaction, but ill let if go yo see who it truly be. Ill look over scribs posts better later tonight when not drunk
<3 hopeless The bolded is completely random and unsubstantiated. Reminds me of his scum-game is such a cop-out read, much less when it's unexplained to everyone else in the thread. On August 29 2013 13:26 debears wrote:
Also, a 95% town read is full retard early d1 is full retard as town. As scum, its dumb but it has motivations (avoid early conflict, make friend of someone who apparently is consider3d bad town).
Vote scribs guise So according to this, debears doesn't care whether Scib is dumb town or scum. He mentions both, then uses it as a justification to vote. That's pretty darrrrrn scummy. This post is bad OVERALL, not just in its suspicion of debears. I've already commented on that. But specifically, why are debears' suspicions of Scib so hard to understand if you only have him as null? And did you read his scum game YANMM (that debears was in)? He started out in a similar fashion to this game with policy talk and a general "pro-town" style. It's not unsubstantiated if you know the context. But you didn't bother to ask, did you? Plus, when the fuck do you say "darrrrrrn scummy" when talking about mafia? Why is debears voting for Scib somehow scummy when deebs is plainly stating the scum motivations he sees? Post reeks of bullshit, Hapahauli. Notably, it's also your first post of the game, and I KNOW you have a hard time getting going as scum. That's why I was suspicious of you in the first place, and your Marv read is just another red flag.
RE: DebearsDeebs is someone who played when I started. Like I said, he also played in YANMM as SK with scib, so I don't see anything wrong with how he approached sciberbia in the early game. It's something I noticed as well, but didn't put as much stock into. Debears is notorious for tunneling early D1 and getting reads off that, so I'm totally fine with his play thus far in the game and wouldn't worry about him unless he becomes far less active.
RE: ScibShow nested quote +On August 29 2013 08:21 sciberbia wrote:On August 29 2013 08:11 Sn0_Man wrote:
So, idle speculation here: We have heathen mongrels and Unfaithful Worms mentioned in the daypost. 2 scum teams? I doubt it. - It just looks like colorful flavor to me.
- The way the OP is written also suggests to me that there is only one scumteam.
- Two scum-teams in addition to third parties (?) seems an awful lot for a 13 player game.
I do feel there is most likely at least one third party, due to this line from the OP On August 22 2013 06:29 Dandel Ion wrote:
Third parties have their own victory conditions.
In YANMM he made a setup-focused post like this one as his first post and it rang some alarms but I, in my noob days, ignored it because of how bad people generally were in my NMM games. To see it again this game is somewhat disturbing, but like I said, it's not damning. Show nested quote +On August 29 2013 11:39 sciberbia wrote:On August 29 2013 11:35 yamato77 wrote:
##unvote
##Vote Marvellosity
Seems like a warm place for my vote. If I were to offer you 1 million dollars if you could correctly identify 1 scum, who would your guess be and why? Show nested quote +On August 29 2013 16:21 sciberbia wrote:On August 29 2013 13:30 debears wrote:On August 29 2013 11:39 sciberbia wrote:On August 29 2013 11:35 yamato77 wrote:
##unvote
##Vote Marvellosity
Seems like a warm place for my vote. If I were to offer you 1 million dollars if you could correctly identify 1 scum, who would your guess be and why? Could I not say the same to you? 3) And yamato for being in the thread but avoiding engaging in discussion. Also I don't understand why marv is his strongest scumread for being useless when there is a whole handful of players who are as of yet equally useless. I'd appreciate it if sylencia/tofu/yamato/anyone would chime in with agree/disagree on these three. These consecutive posts feel weird. I did indeed respond to him, he just either didn't get the hint (I was suspicious of Marv) or was downright ignoring my posts and threw shit at me for nothing. I even explained my read on Marv at some point, as he noted in this post, yet he never attempted to disagree with me, he just shat on my read and said I wasn't "engaging in the discussion" (read: contributing to the spam-fest). No really that important either, just plain odd. Other than that, most of his filter is arguing with Rayn/Debears which is not what I'd expect from a scum scib that I remember to have been rather quiet. He's also obviously affected emotionally by the posts of others at times and seems interested in actually finding mafia. He posts some weird things, but I generally don't like to get caught up in semantics with people who play this game that I don't know that well. If there's anyone else worth talking about, ask. I'll broaden my horizons because Hapa/Marv (even if I am right) can't be the only scum. Note I don't think him having long posts is an indicator, merely that he's more comprehensive in his outlook, something you don't need to do as scum and can just pick specific people in order to appear active. On August 30 2013 08:44 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 08:35 Hapahauli wrote:On August 30 2013 08:31 yamato77 wrote:On August 30 2013 08:29 marvellosity wrote:
Hapa has seemed fine to me, the only thing I noticed so far is that he's seemed somewhat more snippy than usual, which is why I asked him about how he felt about the game. Not entirely sure what I make of it but meh
Bugs me that yamato is suspicious of Hapa for being able to read me better than yamato can. It's just dumb on so many levels Are you even reading my posts? That's basically half the reason you're suspicious of me no? You know I've played a ton of games with marv. While I can articulate my methods of reading him in one way or another, the bottom-line is that a majority of me reading marv is completely on gut. There are just certain posts by him that I get strong town/scum vibes from, mostly because we have such a history together. In this game, there's just something about the way he's responding to the pressure here that makes me feel he's town. So back to the "holier than thou" thing with scum-marv, he tends to put himself above all the arguments, and either use it as an OMGUS or completely dismiss them at hand. In this game, he's getting emotionally caught up in them, which I consider a town-tell. Is he really, though? It seems like he wants to use these back-and-forth exchanges more as an avenue to shit on my play and my reads than to actually get anything useful out of it. If I am right about him, there is plenty of motivation for scum-Marv to want to discredit me when town-Marv is usually more cooperative even when I am tunneling him, in the recent past. Why the change this game in his response, and his overall attitude as compared to his recent play? On August 30 2013 22:04 yamato77 wrote:
I'm not thrilled with a Syl lynch. I've never seen him post his much, ever. Something tells me he wouldn't pick his scum game to start tryharding.
Hopeless I still have yet to read, but honestly FT is not a terrible lynch. On August 22 2013 09:02 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2013 09:00 kushm4sta wrote:
wow your derision of spam wins my heart over <3 Honestly I'm just tired of people calling each other scum and arguing about it for days. I don't know how many times I have to tell people that this is fucking pointless. This is the main thing which you should get from this. In addition, you should read the thread itself. I actually think Yamato plays a very good game here, but the problem is that he appeared comprehensive, but he wasn't actually trying to get someone lynched. That doesn't seem to be his goal, merely a coincidence that agreed with the posts he was making. Wasn't actively trying to make people respond, get them thinking about Vayne for instance when he pushed him. . Namely, Rayn and Marv. As mafia, there is not much to go on. But he did make a mention of "possibly voting kush as policy lynch" but then never followed up on it in Persona mafia.
+ Show Spoiler + On August 21 2013 10:09 yamato77 wrote:Usually I don't even bother reading the thread when it gets as stupid as it has now, but I did. Because I'm a masochist. All of you fighting among yourselves and arguing with people you think are scum are making my head hurt. Thankfully, there are a few things worth responding to: Show nested quote +On August 21 2013 01:17 VayneAuthority wrote:
There is no point in claiming a role that there is likely zero or one of as scum when not everybody has posted. Koshi has also painted a target on his back so no reason to lynch him for the time being.
Don't like Rainbows first post, nitpicks DP flip flopping but doesn't actually follow up on it at all. Possible scum since they usually look for really obvious stuff like that since they have to fabricate scum reads.
WoS is playing to his 3rd party meta. Wouldn't be surprised if he rolled SK/Survivor. Good lynch.
Something feels off about geript's posting, not angry enough.
Observations so far. Vayne's first post is suspect. His most definitive read is a 3P read (wtf?) on a player already under suspicion. Why is he so strongly considering the possibility of a 3P? As with Rayn before, the preoccupation with reads that aren't in the town<--->scum continuum is something worth noting. The rest of his post is notably garbage and he has yet to substantiate anything he's said so far. Definitely flying under the radar due to the massive blip of a shitstorm Rayn/DP/WoS created. Show nested quote +On August 21 2013 03:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 21 2013 02:47 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 21 2013 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 21 2013 02:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
yeah its all WoS didnt answer me.
and then you referenced it with another game where he was town and said why his non-answering made him scum.
Thats all.
no it's not. you are probably mafia.- thanks for telling me what you think your case is about. Ehh.. i think i was pretty clear in it: "There is a perfectly fine explanation for his behaviour. Why does he not say that here, in this game? Why is he not trying to explain why town!WoS would bring that "let's not talk on N0" stuff again?
Answer is:
- Because he is mafia and he is trying to play the "look, i played similarly in the other same-a-like game".
- He didn't even think of needing to have an explanation because of "look, i played similarly in the other same-a-like game" would be enough.
- If he was town he could, should and would explain himself."Can you give me a single town reason why WoS would not explain his "we should not talk N0 in this game"? Can you? Because i can't, and i gave all of you his scum!reasons, supported with his own post. As for the Rayn/WoS situation, I'm not sold on the WoS=scum theory. Rayn's entire case is based on the idea that a person should always play as they do as town given a similar situation. Funny enough, it is the SAME rationale DP used to accuse Rayn, yet was ultimately dropped. Do I need to explain why these meta reads are fucking terrible or can we all agree to stop being bad and scumhunt with more conventional means? Show nested quote +On August 21 2013 03:48 kushm4sta wrote:Thoughts while reading through this spamfest of a thread: PAGE 8 yamato you son of a bitch if i had a shot i would shoot you right now for no reason other than you piss me off. fucking think you are some maine expect because you went to caribou once lolz gtfo plz yawn, boring discussion about survivors. scum love this shit. PAGE 9 I think it's pretty safe to assume this guy is town because he said his role name: On August 20 2013 20:48 Crazometer wrote:Lol, such personal attacks. Ryan, even the best laid plans can come unstuck but I think we got something out of it either way  . I'm unsure what really happens next as I've mainly just played these in person, but around now we would go around the circle with each person claiming they were vanilla characters in order. I'll start. I'm Crazometer and I'm a Citizen of Inaba. OMG MADE IT TO PAGE 13 WOOOO kush out And yet no one wanted to policy lynch him. Offer is still on the table btw.
Other general notes Read this: right here from boardwalk and contrast to his current game of town. Overall a clear example of involved Yamato vs. Apathetic Yamato who tries to be an involved Yamato. Persona is a slight disagreement with my theory, but supports it in that Yamato isn't actually trying to get anyone lynched. I don't get the impression. He makes posts but isn't involved. So what does it mean
I have to get going soon but evidently look at Yamato, he didn't really push for Vayne to get policy lynched merely voted him and gave a single comment. Not same as he does in town. Here is his filter: Here. More response then commentary, targets specific people rather than overall try to figure out who's town and who's scum. Tunneled Grack for a bit and that's it. Yamato is playing like scum in that he isn't actively caring, as demonstrated by his previous day one play, recent from all his recent games excluding TL Noir. Vote Yamato I like this because I feel the exact same way about Yamato atm. He is not as grating as he normally is when town. When conversing with people, he is being direct, but trying not to stir the pot to hard. Not normal townie Yamato. I would right up a more detailed case on the mater, but Panda pretty much covered it. My 2 strongish town reads (Panda, and Oats) want him dead. Yamato is scum, and I will be lynching him. Anyway, Ive been out and about most of the day(seriously, gonna echo Palmer here and say we shouldn't start games on the weekend) Im gonna be home later tonight. Any other questions Ill answer then. also gonna be a lot more active when I get back, and Im gonna push for a lynch on ShaioPo. expect my case then.
VE is clean so we needed a way to walk down from the suspicion without looking terrible. This wasn't so graceful, but whatevs. Doesn't mention him again till here:
On October 02 2013 04:57 hiro protagonist wrote:
real quick before the deadline.
Most likely town: VE, WoS, Grack, Koshi, austin
null: Palmer, ryan, VA, CR.
People I once thought as town, but are now slightly scummy: SaB, Panda, Oats
Scummy: Shiao... damn, doin up this list makes me realize how little other strong scum reads I had...
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