EPTBut it seems like you're actually reading my filter, which I appreciate/you should do if you're gonna call someone mafia. At the very least, it looks like you've gone from "I never saw him push anyone" to "Easy push, rayn and grack were making the same posts" to "Why didn't you push him earlier?"
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But it seems like you're actually reading my filter, which I appreciate/you should do if you're gonna call someone mafia. At the very least, it looks like you've gone from "I never saw him push anyone" to "Easy push, rayn and grack were making the same posts" to "Why didn't you push him earlier?" | ||
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On October 08 2013 15:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: I mostly agree with the first bit. But again I was not here. Sorry for not catching scum before I started playing.What i care about is this: Scum don't want to call out other scum at the start of the game, even if they figure them out. Because the other team might kill you and you then effectively shit on each others bed. My problem is this: When SnB was killed the other scumteam HAS to assume Palmar is town, because the bus was so incredible. Then, magically then, you come up with this Palmar stuff, while on N2 you have him as fucking town. On D4, when there is a Solstice life on the line, you magically come up with Chairman Ray who is ABSOLUTELY MAFIA! Out of fucking nowhere. OUT OF FUCKING NOWHERE! That, sir, is a big problem in your play to me. Also, I don't magically come up with CR. Jesus. Here's my scumreads D2 On October 02 2013 03:29 austinmcc wrote: Don't want to lynch FT or ShiaoPi. Happy with Koshi, Solstice, probably CR, possibly Pandain. ##vote: s0Lstice Hiro, could you share some thoughts on people who aren't FT and ShiaoPi? Maybe take a look at rayn/palmar arguing, a peek at CR, and whatchoo thinkin' bout solstice? On D3, I look harder at CR: Here's my looking into other CR games: On October 05 2013 03:03 austinmcc wrote: CR or someone else, can you point me to your other mafia games? On October 05 2013 03:03 austinmcc wrote: where your = CR's as far as the "someone else" is concerned. Profile full of a bunch of, gasp, non-mafia posts On October 05 2013 03:08 austinmcc wrote: Yeah. I just want to look over those other games. When I start making lists, he's in this middle grouping and I need to pull some of those folks one way or another. after Koshi first outs himself: On October 05 2013 04:29 austinmcc wrote: (Which is why we should lynch him. High five!) Palmar/WoS/solstice/CR/(VA or Cheese) is where I currently sit. LOOK AT MY MUSCULAR, CHISELED BACK TOWN. LOOK AT IT. DO YOU NOT WANT TO HOP ON? Perhaps tomorrow, or perhaps later Koshi revelations will clear something neat up. Here's my looking into other CR games: On October 05 2013 03:03 austinmcc wrote: CR or someone else, can you point me to your other mafia games? On October 05 2013 03:03 austinmcc wrote: where your = CR's as far as the "someone else" is concerned. Profile full of a bunch of, gasp, non-mafia posts On October 05 2013 03:08 austinmcc wrote: Yeah. I just want to look over those other games. When I start making lists, he's in this middle grouping and I need to pull some of those folks one way or another. Someone asks me about my reads: On October 05 2013 04:40 austinmcc wrote: LOOK. I EXPLAIN WHY I THINK CR IS MAFIA HERE, ON D3, BEFORE PALMAR HAS EVEN FLIPPED. I explain by referencing past games.A lot hinges on FT and Palmar. I agree that Oats ain't strongly town, but some of what he's said just struck me as very town-minded. Not even town-minded in a "scumhunting the other team" way, but just about the game in general. CR's old town games are like...plans to do stuff, votes put on people he doesn't think are scum so that MAYBE scum will hop off the leading candidate and onto that other guy (indicating that the main candidate IS scum), etc. etc. Tricksy, calculating, and lynched for it because it sounds a little too wonky. This game, he's doing a little calculating and theory, but it almost always concerns scum actions/scum teams. In some ways, my read on him is like...reverse blue sniping. It looks like he wants to play his normal game, but he's caught up in scum actions, and so all his theories and speculation posts focus on scum actions. Not a boatload to go on, but it's there. His entry posts are also a bit crafted for my taste. He never never drops in. It's always a sizeable post focused on one or two areas, not like he hops in and gets dirty but like he knows he's not around and crafts these single posts to drop into thread. There might have been something else but I forget. WoS/solstice we'll see about. Then continue looking at my posts. I'm focused on that one post of CR's during N3 On October 06 2013 01:53 austinmcc wrote: Oats. I still kind of sort of think you're town. Please do some super townie stuff or something if you're town. I don't think we conclude anything off of that. IF WoS isn't the third member of that team, CR is a decent option, but honestly I read more into what CR wrote about Palmar than what Palmar wrote about CR. Go look at CR's post D2 where he goes through the permutations of VA/Palmar/SnB/FT scumteams. He concludes overall that Palmar is scummy but the worst lynch for information-gathering reasons. THAT is something I like much more as a connection than what Palmar says about CR. (This post is when I had WoS as most likely MCB, CR second likely) Here's solstice defending CR N3, and me explaining to solstice why CR is mafia: On October 06 2013 02:29 austinmcc wrote: Look at his past games. Look at his posts this one. There are less, they're generally very well-constructed and almost never spur of the moment little comments. He rarely sticks around. A lot of his scumhunting is bolstered by ... events, by votes, by flips, by something other than just filters. It's not just that he's not doing these weird votes to try and make something happen and out mafia, he's OVERLY cautious, very apologetic, and never just straight sitting down and scumhunting. To the extent you like disappearing after lynch, as some other people have mentioned in this thread, as a scumtell, CR not only hasn't been around but this is, as best I can tell, the first time he's seen a scum lynch on TL. In both other games he was a D1 mislynch. In this game, SnB flips scum and CR's response is:Palmar flips scum and CR's response is:There is no joy in mudville. Combine that with the fact that there's a limited pool of possible mafia players, and he's mafia. I'm not going to grab any more posts. They're all in my filter. You can look at them. I don't grab CR from nowhere. I've been explaining why CR is mafia from later in D3, and arguing harder for him during N3 and at the start of D4. I don't magically come up with CR. I scumhunt. And I found scum. And very, very few people were interested in listening at all, despite me asking a bunch of people about CR, and trying to get them to see the light. | ||
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CC very unlikely to be banger. CR much more likely telling the truth, based on his actions, than pulling some .. even more than next level play. It's not just mafia v town on D3. It's DRB with 3 players vs. MCB with 2 players vs. town. If the remaining MCB allows Palmar to die, he doesn't just lose a scumbuddy. His team now only has ONE member left, and it's not just mafia KP vs. town lynch. It's their kp vs town lynch + DRB KP + cop actions coming in. They CANNOT go down to one member, because the deck will be so stacked against them. CR fits that bill. CC doesn't. You DO have paranoid thoughts in my head now, lol. I don't have a problem with DRB solstice and DRB CC. Yesterday, the moment oats was off the table, mafia didn't have their main mislynch option. They know another cop action is coming tonight. They've got 3 players, and know that IF the last MCB doesn't die there are 3 KP tonight. I could understand them being okay with saccing a single player to ensure the 3 KP AND to try and put CC in a better light. Remember, BEFORE the solstice thing, CC hadn't done too much. He wasn't on anyone's definitely town list. And I was really, really arguing that he was mafia based on the interaction with oats yesterday. He was gonna be under some pressure and some scrutiny that day, even if I couldn't get anyone to see what I was seeing, I wasn't going to shut up. If they didn't think he could really hold up, maybe it's a ploy to try and get him looking better, they think he has a decent chance of going late and solstice doesn't or something. | ||
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On October 09 2013 00:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: rayn.The plan was bad. The plan would have ensured both of Koshi & Solstice alive on D5. As Koshi would have been roleblocked / Solstice vested. Suddenly we have 1 confirmed town (VE) instead of 4 (me/VE/Koshi/Oats). Nobody can be trusted. Austin said we "remove KP by making Sol/Koshi vest or something". Right. We remove KP now too, unless mafia wants Koshi to confirm more townies / shoot scum. Same outcome, except that we have 4 conf-townies instead of 1. Bad plan, bad. Koshi being RBed or solstice vested means scum spent KP on items. Not on killing townies. That's GOOD for town. We don't remove KP this way. If we'd lynched CR, mafia would have 1-2 KP MAX tonight. As it is, they have 3 KP. That's BAD for town. You are so focused on the cops, so focused on "confirmed" townies, that it's warped your sense of the game. Cops and confirmed townies are LESS important than having LESS DEAD TOWNIES. Games get won without cops and confirmed townies. Games DON'T get won with all the townies dead. I would rather have unconfirmed people ALIVE than CONFIRMED TOWN DEAD. Do you disagree that dead townies are bad? | ||
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On October 09 2013 00:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: 1 team used drive by last night. 1 team did not. Tonight, there are 3 KP.Explain to me, how the fuck would there be 2-3 KP less? ChairmanRay can now shoot. That's 1 KP less. Who is to say he is not dumb will not shoot into your team? How do Ballers have now more KP than they would have if Solstice was alive? Explain this. If we lynch a cop claimer, he's DRB. That means both teams are still alive and kicking. That means tonight there are 3 KP. If we lynch CR, the MCB team is gone. If they had 1 KP, that means there are 2 KP in play. If they had 2 KP, that means there is 1 KP in play. By getting rid of a team, scum are down a total of 1-2 KP, just because a team is gone. So there's a base, -1 or -2 KP for finishing off a team. Then you have koshi and solstice alive. If mafia don't just want Koshi shooting solstice and solving the whole thing, they have to spend KP on a rb or a vest. That's another KP down. Now, they don't HAVE to do that. But here are the two scenarios: (1) MCB is gone, -1 or -2 KP. DRB choose to use a power to save solstice, -1 KP. That's -2 or -3 KP. (2) MCB is gone, -1 or -2 KP. DRB choose NOT to use a power to save solstice, shoot koshi. In this case, mafia is STILL down -1 or -2 KP, and we don't have have another day of counterclaims. You worry, that people won't be confirmed and that we'll go into the next day not 100000% sure of who the cop is, can ONLY happen in a world where mafia loses -2 or -3 KP from losing a team AND protecting solstice. If mafia doesn't give up KP to protect solstice, then he dies or he AND koshi die, and we KNOW the next day who was who. Even in that case, they're short -1 or -2 KP depending on which team drove by on N3. So either -2 or -3 KP and we still have solstice/koshi the next day, or -1 or -2 KP and we don't. In either case, less dead townies is good for town. Fundamentally, do you disagree with just this statement, "Less dead townies is good for town"? On October 09 2013 00:50 Koshi wrote: You need to read my filter.+ Show Spoiler +This isn't true. Austin was clearly not trying to lynch CR specifically last lynch. Who was he trying to lynch? Somebody remembers? Because that guy is probably not in his team. On October 06 2013 05:00 austinmcc wrote: CR Oh yeah lynch this dude tomorrow. He's not been newbie. He's been near useless, despite getting lynched for contributions in other game that people found scummy. His posts all avoid direct scumhunting. He never casually posts. Lynch this dude. Lynch him. I RAN OUT OF TIME BOLLOCKS. If Oats town, cheese scum. That one post does it. SOME OTHER PEOPLE ARE ALSO SCUM THIS POST SUCKS SO MUCH AS A LAST MINUTE POST WTF On October 06 2013 05:14 austinmcc wrote: ##vote: Chairman Ray Post serious. I think Cheese is on the NOT palmar team, 10000000% I think CR or WoS is on the palmar team. I think we have a lot of stuff to mine from the last couple days, people who suddenly jump on the oats train. On October 06 2013 08:38 austinmcc wrote: Thing is, after this whole bit today I honestly believe VA is super mafia. Which means CR in the last banger slot, not WoS, and probably WoS town/solstice mafia. On October 07 2013 04:33 austinmcc wrote: In my head, the super duper right play is to have everyone try and create full scum teams. Just off the top of their head, who they think are the 4 scum, don't have to align. We leave that on the back burner. I like when Chezinu tries to get everyone to make lists, and I think it's something to have people DO but not rely on heavily. Then we don't lynch either cop claimer. We have Koshi precision shot solstice (he claims his is up). We have solstice...he said he used his precision shot and that the prius was Hiro's, so I guess we just have him do something defensive. Try to save someone. This forces either scumKoshiteam to deal with an extra protect OR scumsolsticeteam to RB koshi/buy vest for solstice or lose solstice. One way we 100% kill solstice or save a KP from town (they have to spend KP on the RB item). The other way we have a CHANCE of saving a townie. In my head, that's the RIGHT play, we'll be right back in this situation tomorrow (unless solstice scum and doesn't rb or buy vest), but we'll have a night that's slightly more town-favored than it otherwise would be. The real issue with that is: (1) It requires people to ignore the competing claims (2) A LOT of folks are implicated in the claims --> rayn, oats, cc, somewhat you So we avoid all of those and we find scum in the remainder. Heck, perhaps we're the super coolest bestest town ever and magically take out the last MCB if it's not someone locked up in these claims. That's my legitimate thought process. I think the absolute RIGHT play is to lynch CR. + Show Spoiler + In my mind, he's not associated with EITHER set of claims, so lynching him isn't explicitly siding with one cop claimer. He hasn't been around. He doesn't seem to care about this cop claim stuff, DESPITE BEING SUPER PLOTTY AND TRICKSY IN HIS OTHER GAMES. THIS GAME GOT CRAZY WEIRD AND INTERESTING AND CONVOLUTED AND HE, AGAIN, JUST DROPS ONE POST AND DIPS. I can believe he's got RL commitments. But we're over a WEEK of time where he NEVER posts casually, and NEVER is just around. And he's not interested where his past games indicate, to me, that he should be interested. Agree? Disagree? Think that (1) interferes with that? VE, how about you? On October 07 2013 04:39 austinmcc wrote: Like...read this post: And then look at the Koshi/Cheesecake/solstice situation. THIS IS EXACTLY THE KIND OF STUFF HE WAS TRYING TO PULL AS TOWN. I'M GOING TO DO X TO TRICK SCUM AND GET THEM TO REVEAL THEMSELVES. I know he's been told not to do it. I know he got lynched for it. But based on him DOING THIS PREVIOUSLY, RECENTLY, we know he LIKES this kind of stuff. I know I shouldn't be so paranoid, but it hits and I LIKE IT and I spam paranoid crap and I love it. Yum yum addictive. And then when ALL OF THIS COMES OUT TODAY, what does CR post?He's not thinking about stuff. He's not INTERESTED in stuff. He goes "HAI HAS ANYONE CONSIDERED THIS OTHER SCENARIO?" And what does he do with that question? NOTHING. He doesn't seem to consider it. He doesn't post implications. He doesn't discuss with any other people the issues that we are all discussing, that he asked a question about and is supposedly interested in. CR is HOLY BALLS SO SCUMMY SO SCUMMY SO SCUMMY. On October 07 2013 04:47 austinmcc wrote: VE. I agree that we want to hit the remaining MCB. WoS doesn't look as good for that slot as I previously thought, and he's tied up in the cop stuff because one claimed cop says WoS is confirmed. Would you look at CR, look at SnB and Palmar's filters, and tell me whether you think: (1) CR is mafia (2) CR is > 50/50 mafia (3) CR is a decent fit for MCB Specifically, CR posting before the D3 lynch, that Palmar is scum but wants to save him. Or that Palmar is scum but doesn't give as much information as other scum so we should lynch others. That post. On October 08 2013 02:19 austinmcc wrote: I'd rather lynch CR. Last banger is CR/Pandain/WoS. Most likely CR I believe. If you're going to get super bent out of shape about me voting you, it totally happened. I'm paranoid enough and found enough stuff to indicate that you might be the one lying that I was happy to vote you. But my vote is on you for 21 minutes. I ask for a CR lynch N3. I ask for a CR lynch start of D4. I ask for a CR lynch while we're lynching solstice. Actually look at my posts, then try to say that I wasn't trying to lynch CR specifically. On October 09 2013 00:56 VisceraEyes wrote: Nope. Your hat must be malfunctioning. I absolutely wanted to lynch outside the cops. However, there was a good period of time where I was not 100% sure which cop claim was correct. I was much much much more sure of CR than either cop.You're misinterpreting his intentions. I don't think he couldn't tell which was the fake-claim. I don't think that's the case at all. I think he would have just rather lynched the last Banger. That was my intention. I could tell between the real and the fake claims, but I wanted to lynch the last Banger instead. On October 09 2013 01:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: But you're not.I am tunneled because i know i am fucking right! I actually reread the thread for D4 because that was the most important phase in this game! On October 09 2013 01:12 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah yeah, sometimes I'm not at the computer. I defended myself plenty last night; I'll defend myself some more today. 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You guys are super overvaluing cop. Essentially, this game is wrapped up with a single check, or at most two, even if nobody ever scumhunts a single iota again. Shoot me, bus me with someone, do whatever you want, shoot someone else, etc. But you're going cop-crazy, and assuming that keeping Koshi alive and checking is the single bestest ever thing for town. However, confirmed townies, as nice as they are to have, don't guarantee correct reads. Just look at your reads on CR N3/early D4. I'm telling you he's mafia and people are saying nope, town. More confirmed townies is great, but who cares if your reads are wrong. Using the cop action to clear up alignments/reads is more beneficial to town than using cop actions solely to keep a cop around. Game is over in like...a cycle or two basically, because pieces start falling into place. What you guys need is better reads, and you can get those by shooting/bussing in a way that hopefully clears up some of the folks we're fighting over --> Pandain, me, VA. Everyone is overvaluing their individual reads too. We've all been wrong about someone at some point this game. It's POSSIBLE I'm wrong on pandain and it's pandain scum VA town but I don't think that's the case. For rayn and VA, I'm entirely town. You'll see if I flip, or postgame, or whenever you read this game and past games of mine. If you have never ever ever ever been wrong before in a read, feel free to continue arguing that I'm 100% mafia. However, if you're going to do that, you'd best feel sadface if I ever flip. Rayn, to some extent, you're having trouble that I was 100% scummy on CR, knew he was mafia, more than I knew koshi/solstice solution. But what you're telling me is that you have 100% reads, and that you were 100% on koshi cop solstice scum. You're attacking me for being basically CERTAIN of CR's alignment, by saying you can't be sure. But you're also attacking me because I SHOULD HAVE BEEN SURE of Koshi/solstice and wasn't. In essence, it's SCUMMY if I was unsure on a read (koshi/solstice) and SCUMMY/impossible if I was sure on a read (CR). If nothing else, look. If CR is the last MCB, then my sureness came whether I'm mafia or town or whatever. Regardless of my alignment, I was sure on a dude, and the dude flipped scum. You can attack me for being sure on someone you weren't, but: (1) they WILL flip scum and (2) my being SURE that someone is scum can't make me mafia, because I couldn't be on CR's team. You keep throwing these arguments out that don't make sense, and you won't listen to reason. | ||
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I don't care if you think I should have been sure on the cop. I wasn't. I'm very very very paranoid. solstice HAD some things to back up his claim. Koshi HAS some weird spots in his play. That's exactly the sort of thing that I'm going to fall down the rabbit hole with, and I did. But at all times, while not being sure on which cop was cop, I wanted to do something that: (1) would have finished off a mafia team; and (2) lowered KP tonight. Again, my townread on Pandain stems mostly mostly mostly from his D2. Really trying to push people off FT to no effect. And even when he HAS no effect, he's continuing to try and force it to happen. He's expending energy, posts, time, effort, into something that anyone outside the situation can see is having no impact on the thread. Scum almost never devote time/posts/energy into doing something that does nothing. If they want to do nothing, they do nothing. They don't post a crapton just to have no effect. CC is mafia. WoS isn't, I'm not, that leaves CC. Thing set up to get one of them into a decent position and avoid losing the other scum team yesterday. VE is pretty much right now the only person trying to get everyone to work together and stop tunneling. Koshi actually is to some degree, because it's clear he at least sees that SOME of what I'm getting called out for isn't actually as anti-town as rayn/VA want it to be. He's also reading filters, knows that I was poking at solstice earlier. Filters is gud. | ||
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On October 09 2013 04:16 VayneAuthority wrote: Because I'm town and I know townies make mistakes. Everyone here who is town has made them, and been wrong about reads this game.why do you preach about being wrong on reads and then say im your top scumread? die already so I can stop reading this shitty trash So unless you're going to tell me that all townies are always correct in all reads, then it has to be possible that I've misread you. Enough people have suspicion on pandain that he's not the most shining townie ever. Maybe he ain't town at all. I find it very very unlikely, but it's there. | ||
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On October 09 2013 04:21 VayneAuthority wrote: That wasn't you reading the OP wrong.ok then you misread me end of story. You don't even have a read on me, just trying to hang onto that oats thing which was me reading the OP wrong. if that's the best you got as a town member then I really hope we never have to play town together again after this and nuclear. you are always fucking play for scum! You said oats was probably bulletproofed last night as scum. That's not an OP thing, that's a wrong view of gamestate. You said you were the mislynch of choice yesterday. That's not an OP thing, that's a wrong view of the gamestate both N3 AND D4, because you were third in votes. You said oats was a bad shot. Nothing to do with the OP. Your misreading of the bullet refund WAS the OP. But your reaction to Oats being confirmed has nothing to do with the OP. | ||
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On October 09 2013 04:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Wanting to devote time to something that does nothing is fine, but I view that as falling into things like Ace or palmar arguing with you.In fact, scum WANT to devote time on something that does nothing in case their lives are not in line. Pandain trying to shift the lynch involves a lot of something, a lot of FT defending and a lot of VA attacking, but for no...no payoff. It's too much work to get nothing out of, and he continues long after it's dead. If I'm wrong on Pandain, okeedoke. But a heck of a lot of people were wrong on CR, and never bothered to go read his games. | ||
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On October 09 2013 04:24 VayneAuthority wrote: Nope. Not at all. You're ANGRY that koshi would confirm oats. Which is a good thing for town. You're upset and trying to wiggle out of something that was positive for town, with reasoning that doesn't cut it.so your whole case rests on the fact that I am "misreading" the game state when i am much more likely to do that as town then scum. Case closed you're garbage thanks for proving me town. | ||
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On October 09 2013 04:26 VayneAuthority wrote: There's a townie way to hate being wrong. There's a scummy way to hate being wrong.and I already explained that, I hate being wrong because I was 100% sure oats was scum due to how he was playing, but you are trying to play it off as some big thing. and that is why you are scum. Your first reaction was the scummy one. Koshi you took a bad shot, oats was a great bulletproof target, etc. etc. Only after a while do you have the townie reaction "I can't believe oats is doing this as town." | ||
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On October 09 2013 04:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: And what happens when Pandain pushes things but nobody will listen, yet he keeps pushing and pushing?Read Noire and GS and you will see how wrong you are in Pandain's meta. When Pandain is town and wants something to happen he makes it happen, like in GS. I am probably the best person to say this because our playstyle is quite similar. He does what i did no longer than ~5 games ago. If i concluded someone is scum i pushed the lynch through. That's it, i didn't give a fuck who the other players in the game were or what they did think. That's what Pandain does as town. Look at Noire, Pandain "pushes things", how many things go through. Absolutely zero. His alignment is determined on...the outcome? Whether his lynch gets pushed through? If that's the case, you're basing his alignment off other people's decisions, their lynch choices. | ||
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On October 09 2013 04:31 VayneAuthority wrote: like I don't see any reason except for austin/pandain scum team for him to defend his play like this in a completely wrong way. it is completely inexcusably bad if you are town. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ASE3Qeu.gif) | ||
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On October 09 2013 04:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: Mainly cuz CR has two games where he's been lynched D1, whereas Pandain has games and one of them keeps getting listed as terrible and awful to read.Austin you are very eager to look into other people's past games. Why do you refuse to look into Pandain's last games and refuse to see the obvious? Also, at this point, if I don't look at em, you go "Austin scum!" If I look at em and come to a different conclusion than you, you go, "Austin scum!" If I look at them and come to the SAME conclusion as you, you go..."Austin scum!" I'll check em out for a Pandain read, but...my response to that question, and my read on Pandain, isn't actually going to do anything to your read on me. | ||
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