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Balla24

2322 Posts

September 11 2013 15:25 GMT

#33

/in

Balla24

2322 Posts

September 25 2013 02:54 GMT

#89

It's just a good topic to start on. Establishing the fact that lurkers will not be tolerated early on is always good. The game is not fun when it is not active, so let's make it clear that non-active people are not welcome in this game. There's really very little to talk about during first day, especially when there are no kills. This is a good start if it will generate a few posts.

Balla24

2322 Posts

September 25 2013 14:47 GMT

#118

We can't and shouldn't be discussing whether or not we should be lynching lurkers. Even if you aren't a lurker policy lyncher day 1 you need to at least show that lurking is unacceptable. It doesn't matter what your endday goal is (lynch lurkers/not lynch lurkers) but that pressure needs to be there to stop lurking from occuring. It's soooo bad, and if people think that town is going to be very adamant about lynching lurkers then they might post more.

While not lynching lurkers might be the attitude we have towards the end of the day right now we need to be in the mindset of lynching lurkers until we see that it won't be a problem. It's not a black and white choice for day1 right away. If it's not a problem when it gets close to voting time then we succeeded. If it is a problem, THEN we can discuss whether or not to policy lynch lurkers. But right now the game is still opening up, our mindset should be to policy lynch lurkers.

We need to be scumhunting, so hopefully this post serves as an end to the lurker lynching discussion (we will lynch lurkers!!!) and the start to the good stuff. I'd like to hear from the guys who have played together so far (i think that was Bereft, Heavenz and Blurry?), what do you guys think about the opening tone of the game and can you give us some insight on each other's play?

Balla24

2322 Posts

September 25 2013 14:50 GMT

#119

T_T Zaragon we said pretty much the same thing... i need to be not so long-winded and refresh the page before i post

Balla24

2322 Posts

September 25 2013 15:55 GMT

#124

This is my first game of any mafia. I used to play sc2 mafia but that really really doesn't count haha... I became interested in playing real mafia by watching eSports mafia on twitch.tv/koibu where a bunch of esports personalities (some from this forum) play games over skype.

So all I really have is my knowledge from watching that for a bunch of weeks and then i've lurked in some threads before that. I've read up on a bunch of stuff in the stickies and what not for a while and i decided to dive into this one.

Balla24

2322 Posts

September 25 2013 17:50 GMT

#130

On September 26 2013 01:20 JonnyLaw wrote:

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This is an odd question. Feels like someone trying to role call falsely in order to be above suspicion. Why not pm your coach or a mod?

Mluneth's other post since joining
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On September 25 2013 22:51 MLuneth wrote:
Hey guys, let try and keep the jokes down a little, it just ends up clogging up the thread, something that just helps mafia. In terms of policy lynching a lurker on d1(and in general), I'm against it simply because it lets maf chill (as they know how we will act) rather then being on their toes and hopefully making mistakes that we can punish.
As for my idea on on lurkers, I think pressure is key as there is really no reason for town to avoid discussion.
Anyway, greetings from Australia

does raise a good point about staying on topic but aside from that really says nothing.

On Mluneth, I agree his question is kind of odd. In fact, i'm not totally sure what it was meant to say either? I like the longer post though, it was his first post and he just wanted to get his opinion on the topic out there before going to sleep. We aren't really going to hear much more from him for a while as it is 4:00 am where he his atm.

Balla24

2322 Posts

September 26 2013 02:37 GMT

#141

I'm not really getting any bad vibes from anybody at this point. Really need to hear from the less talkative people at this point to get a read off of them. As far as town reads I'm liking Zaragon for sure, and maybee Bereft. Both of them have been quite active in trying to move the discussion forward and providing their reads. They have also been looking into other's past games which i think is quite helpful for us.

We just really need to hear from the quiet ones at this point though, they are really stalling the game and it's been a whole 24 hours. Some people have 1/2 posts only and have been quite weird. If we're not going to hear from them though, i'd like to hear a bit more from Heavenz now that some time has passed, maybe there are more insights about how people are acting first day compared to that last game they played together. Blurry specifically, as his opening post -> sudden quietness is worrying from what I hear so far about his play.

Balla24

2322 Posts

September 26 2013 16:01 GMT

#165

Morning all, just woke up and want to provide my opinions on everything that happened while I slept. I will vote in a future post, as I still want to hear from the inactives and I will be around till day end.

First off: MLuneth's re-entry into the thread is just as confusing as his entry. He opens again with an odd post in

On September 26 2013 16:26 MLuneth wrote:
Time for my first scum read: heavenz

I think he is scum because:

Willingness to bring up useless information/ ask for pointless information that is irrelevant to the scumhunt
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On September 26 2013 00:25 heavenz wrote:
here's our last newby game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=426146
Bereft and Blurry were town and I was mafia.

So regarding Blurry, he's very reasonable, gives good imput, but keeps a rather conservative position. He was killed night1 so, I only know his day1 play. The spectators agreed that he was the "obvious" lynch choice, because he played good town (which wasn't that obvious to the players). I would expect of him to play a good townman here as well.

Bereft has the right intention, but he was quite busy, so some decision came hasty. I would expect him to play active, calling players out who are not activly participating and pursuing town goals.

So, assuming that both are town, I'ld say we have good chances. Even if they aren't town, and they are participating well it's an advantage.

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On September 26 2013 00:49 heavenz wrote:
gogogo, everybody post something

have you participated in games before this? What are your experiences with tl mafia games?

In regards to your first post I feel that the last game is pretty irrelevant as hopefully they learned something in between game. Furthermore, this information is even more useless if they are scum, in which case it can put us off them completely.
On your second point we really don't want everyone posting their previous experiences of mafia as it just clogs up the thread.
He wants to clog up the thread, a scum tell
A willingness to lynch lurkers
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On September 25 2013 23:14 heavenz wrote:
the reason why it's a good strat to threaten to lynch all lurkers is to not have any lurkers in the first place. Nothing is easier for scum then just to drop a few summaries and make a post about who they suspect and then stay out of everything for the most part.

What he leaves out in this good plan of his is that lynching lurkers gives us no information and therefore completely wastes the lynch, meaning that mafia gets to kill someone effectively for free
He wants us to waste our lynch, a scum tell

The two points he makes I just flat out disagree with. I think heavenz was making pro-town moves at a point in time that there wasn't really much else going on so it WAS very useful. Past game information is always useful albeit unreliable, and trying to start conversations by asking questions (however relevant or irrelevant they are) is good. We needed discussion at that point in time and he started some. Secondly, many of us discussed the lurker lynching pretty in depth and i thought it was decided that we need to pressure them by threatening the lynch (Zaragon, Me, Heavenz). You even bringing that back up is kind of anti-town. Not only that, but Heavenz wasn't the only one pro-lurker-lynch and I think it's odd that you single him out like this.

Suspicious, IMO, but i'd rather spend this day working on getting us into a productive active mode and going after quiet people.

Especially now that we are close, we have 3 people who are insanely quiet out of 13, that's NO GOOD. Out of a possible 4 scum that means there's a 30% chance that any one person is scum, I'm willing to take that risk on a quiet person if they don't speak up and offer some good information and become interested. Really unnaceptable, so I'm agreeing with BajaBlood, playerboy and stormtemplar on this one.

and final note on the BajaBlood suspiciousness... I don't really agree with that. He's targetting 2 quiet people, and I don't honestly think it matters which one we go after. They need to step up. That's all i have to say about that.

Balla24

2322 Posts

September 26 2013 16:46 GMT

#166

EBWOP: The 3 people who im saying are quiet is Blurry, xIvan and Jayte.... why is everyone letting Blurry off the hook just because he had a nice opening post?

Balla24

2322 Posts

September 26 2013 19:41 GMT

#180

Alright, it's been almost 3 1/2 hours since my post. Still no sign of the lurkers.

@JonnyLaw I'm not sold on stormtemplar's behavior being scummy. I would like to both hear more from you about it on why you think his posts have been scummy and also stormtemplar's defense. But at this point I'm not really reading scum from his posts besides the fact that he hasn't really shared tooo much about his reads and has just been going off of others. At least he is disagreeing with people which I like.

With that said. We are almost 2 hours from voting and none of the inactive people have shown their faces. We have been asking for them to talk for 2 days now and nothing. Now which one should we lynch? Here i'm going to have to go with ##Vote: Blurry. He started off with a good 1st day post (very early in the game mind you), and then nothing for 2 days straight. Not only is this completely different from his previous game (which I don't think carries too much weight) but he just doesn't seem interested.

One last thing though. Both him and xIvan have only posted once and people are saying xIvan is probably going to get modkilled...would Blurry then also get modkilled?

Balla24

2322 Posts

September 26 2013 19:51 GMT

#183

I'm not sure they will even get modkilled...

Activity:
You must post in this thread once per day/night cycle and vote every day while you are alive. If you fail to do so, you will be modkilled. BE ACTIVE OR FACE MY ETERNAL WRATH!

Everyone has fulfilled that. Can we get some clarification mods, will Blurry/xIvanJ be modkilled or not?

Balla24

2322 Posts

September 26 2013 19:54 GMT

#185

EBWOP: oh they aren't going to vote probably so they will get modkilled, my bad! In that case I will wait a little longer. I'm not feeling stormtemplar as scum still. Jonnylaw can you please elaborate on why you think he's scummy?

Balla24

2322 Posts

September 26 2013 20:17 GMT

#189

He also said this

Simply going inactive is a classic inexperienced mafia behavior, and at best he's an inactive townie, which is not good for us. Obviously he's done nothing scummy, but doing nothing is itself kinda scummy. He needs to show up and post so we can get some reads.

Which is exactly what he's done. Kind of interesting that he would say that and then 1 post later disappear. I'm starting to get convinced but not fully. I think I need to hear his defense to see how he reacts to this pressure. I'm with you guys though, and again I'll be here till voting deadline so I hope we get some posts. It's starting to get too late to call though tbh.

Balla24

2322 Posts

September 26 2013 21:54 GMT

#220

Ugh sorry I got distracted in some SC2 games, didn't expect this much to happen, let me see if anything would change my mind. MLuneth was suspicious to me before but it didn't seem like anybody else agreed except Zaragon. I would be comfortable lynching him rather than stormtemplar, but I still think we need to be looking at these inactive people and not relying on the modkills.

Balla24

2322 Posts

September 26 2013 21:55 GMT

#222

EBWOP: But I agree with Bajablood. Having him around Day2 seems like he will slip up again if he is indeed scum. Then again, he is the only real suspicious person besides the afkers.

##vote MLuneth

Balla24

2322 Posts

September 26 2013 22:00 GMT

#228

@heavenz yeah but he's less of an afker than the rest.. it's impossible to make a vote when all the suspects are fucking afk T_T

Balla24

2322 Posts

September 27 2013 03:08 GMT

#249

Dang, didn't think we could post during night. Cool ^_^

Just to shed some light on what I was thinking at the end of the day: I was already suspicious of MLuneth due to his posts earlier today. I didn't want to vote him initially because I was more suspicious of Blurry for his inactivity after his intro post (which was completely unlike him based on that other game). Once I realized that we might be wasting a lynch since he might get modkilled, I wanted to switch my target. MLuneth was the only person i was suspicious of at the time. I honestly wish I hadn't gotten distracted though and didn't have to rush my vote because re-reading through this I definitely made a mistake. If I could do it again, I would have stayed on Blurry but the modkill talk made me scared to waste the lynch. This might have been a good situation to no-lynch as well. You live and you learn I guess.

Regardless, we need to get Blurry, xIvanJ and Jayte active. Also, let's start the voting process earlier day 2 so we don't have to rush it. Blurry says he's going to post his thoughts before the end of the night so let's make sure we hold him to that.

As far as the active(ish) people:

I'm feeling pretty good about Bereft because even with the hasty vote and (not that I did any better) how he appears less interested than at the start. He also didn't hop on any bandwagons so there's that too, if he were mafia he probably would have hopped on the MLuneth bandwagon, especially since he picked up on the Vigi claim (i didn't pick that up, chalk it up to inexperience I guess).

I'm still not very convinced about stormtemplar. Waiting for his defense, he was here recently and should definitely be posting his defense. Hopefully, if he is scum, we can see some holes and I can hop on board the jonnylaw/heavenz train.

I really want to start making some actual scum reads here but with this lack of activity I just can't, which is why I think we won't be making a mistake going after the quiet people. xIvanJ and Jayte, and Blurry if he doesn't follow up on his promise tomorrow.

Balla24

2322 Posts

September 27 2013 03:24 GMT

#253

On September 27 2013 12:21 Bereft wrote:

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On September 27 2013 12:08 Balla24 wrote:
Dang, didn't think we could post during night. Cool ^_^

Just to shed some light on what I was thinking at the end of the day: I was already suspicious of MLuneth due to his posts earlier today. I didn't want to vote him initially because I was more suspicious of Blurry for his inactivity after his intro post (which was completely unlike him based on that other game). Once I realized that we might be wasting a lynch since he might get modkilled, I wanted to switch my target. MLuneth was the only person i was suspicious of at the time. I honestly wish I hadn't gotten distracted though and didn't have to rush my vote because re-reading through this I definitely made a mistake. If I could do it again, I would have stayed on Blurry but the modkill talk made me scared to waste the lynch. This might have been a good situation to no-lynch as well. You live and you learn I guess.

Regardless, we need to get Blurry, xIvanJ and Jayte active. Also, let's start the voting process earlier day 2 so we don't have to rush it. Blurry says he's going to post his thoughts before the end of the night so let's make sure we hold him to that.

As far as the active(ish) people:

I'm feeling pretty good about Bereft because even with the hasty vote and (not that I did any better) how he appears less interested than at the start. He also didn't hop on any bandwagons so there's that too, if he were mafia he probably would have hopped on the MLuneth bandwagon, especially since he picked up on the Vigi claim (i didn't pick that up, chalk it up to inexperience I guess).

I'm still not very convinced about stormtemplar. Waiting for his defense, he was here recently and should definitely be posting his defense. Hopefully, if he is scum, we can see some holes and I can hop on board the jonnylaw/heavenz train.

I really want to start making some actual scum reads here but with this lack of activity I just can't, which is why I think we won't be making a mistake going after the quiet people. xIvanJ and Jayte, and Blurry if he doesn't follow up on his promise tomorrow.

following your logic, if you switched to mluneth instead of blurry because you "didn't want to waste a lynch" on someone getting modkilled, how is targeting xlvanj and jayte any different since they'll also get modkilled/replaced if they don't vote again?

Sorry I don't understand the question. Are you asking why I didn't switch to xIvanj or jayte instead of MLuneth?

Balla24

2322 Posts

September 27 2013 03:29 GMT

#255

On September 27 2013 12:23 Bereft wrote:
balla, who's your biggest scum read at the moment? this is a pretty weak excuse

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I'm reading more into Bajablood's filter atm. He seems a bit sketchy. He's making empty promises:

- Saying he will analyze Stormtemplar in the 20 minutes before vote and post his thoughts and then not posting anything about him.
- Saying we had his full attention now that he was back from work and that he would post his thoughts on everybody when he has time. It's now getting close to sleep time for NA and still nothing (he is central time)

I also agree with you though, he seems to be analyzing the lurkers a lot, which is somewhat helpful but not nearly as helpful as the rest of the stuff he says he's going to do but doesn't.

Balla24

2322 Posts

September 27 2013 03:32 GMT

#258

On September 27 2013 12:26 Bereft wrote:
no, i'm saying if you switched to a more active player d1 because you didn't want to waste a lynch on someone getting modkilled, following that logic, why should we vote for xlvanj / jayte / blurry d2? i'm referring again in particular to this line:

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Because they didn't get modkilled so they still have the chance to show up. I mean if we want to just assume they aren't gonna show up again and thus get modkilled that's fine but I still think we need to pressure them. If they are gonna play they need to play. And i'm not saying we should vote for them but pressure them. Let's not waste too much time on it though, but we should definitely be bringing it up every few posts so that they have higher chance to see the pressure.

Balla24

2322 Posts

September 27 2013 03:33 GMT

#259

On September 27 2013 12:30 Bereft wrote:
also, is this game like 90% euros or something? there's like no one to play with me when i'm able to get on, and lots of posting when i'm at work

I think so T_T. I think there is a total of like... 3 or 4 NA players. Me, you, onlywonderboy(i think) and maybe someone else.

Balla24

2322 Posts

September 27 2013 03:50 GMT

#261

@onlywonderboy, I mean you're only digging yourself into even more of a hole by defending it so much. If you're town you have nothing to hide. Then again people keep bringing it up. Let's hear your reads. Who is most scum to you? What do you think of everything Bereft has been saying etc.

Balla24

2322 Posts

September 27 2013 05:08 GMT

#263

Alright I'm heading off to bed.

Onlywonderboy is feeling very scummy to me. He's overly defensive about a small detail and wayyy to conservative with his posts/reads. He is being directly asked for reads an isn't providing anything.

Let me know what you guys think... i'll be back in ~10 hours.

Balla24

2322 Posts

September 27 2013 20:00 GMT

#270

Thank you onlywonderboy. I like that you are going against the popular opinions in the thread. You aren't just looking at someone's reads and agreeing with them (on Zaragon and myself especially). I like the point you bring up about Bajablood somewhat, but I find it interesting that you don't say the same thing about playerboy here before the vote:

I'm not too comfortable with the MLuneth lynch to be honest, I really don't get that much of a scum read from him :/

Right now i'm more interested in Bajablood, and I was just pressuring you so that you would actually post your reads. I'm pretty neutral on you. Bajablood keeps saying he's busy, and I believe him, but he also keeps saying he's going to do things and then doesn't do them.

Not that my opinion on this matter is new, but i'd just like to reiterate it so that maybe you (Bajablood) can make some time when you get back from work after day post to post some analysis.

Balla24

2322 Posts

September 27 2013 21:53 GMT

#274

Alright it's the end of night 1 and still nothing from Blurry (who said he would post a full analysis by the end of the night) and the other guys, xIvanJ and Jayte.

Balla24

2322 Posts

September 27 2013 22:48 GMT

#283

On September 28 2013 06:57 playerboy345 wrote:

Also note that Balla24 switches his vote to MLuneth aswell. He says he's the only suspicious person besides the afkers, while I can agree that his posting was indeed odd, it doesn't explain his sudden switch. He agrees with BajaBlood:

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What BajaBlood says is don't lynch MLuneth because if he is scum it'll be easy to tell. WHY DO YOU VOTE HIM IF YOU AGREE THAT LETTING HIM LIVE FOR ANOTHER DAY WILL MAKE IT EASY TO TELL IF HE IS SCUM OR NOT? I'm sorry but that just makes absolutely 0 sense to me.

I wouldn't call my switch sudden. I started off that morning describing why I thought MLuneth was suspicious. During the voting process, we were at a point in time where people were saying that Blurry, xIvanJ and Jayte were going to get modkilled for sure. I was agreeing with Bajablood on this post:

On September 27 2013 06:42 BajaBlood wrote:
My read on Mluneth actually leans towards him being a misguided townie. It's not the most urgent topic we have right now since he doesn't seem to be at the top of the list, so I will write up why I think this sometime soon. But I don't think he should be the lynch candidate of the night.

However not on the last sentence obviously since I ended up voting him. At the time of my EBWOP with the vote (i had meant to vote in my previous post already) I hadn't even seen the post that you quoted and was simply posting what was going through my head. In the end, I decided to vote him because I thought he was scummy (for the reasons I had opened the morning with), nobody else appeared scummy and the inactives were going to get modkilled. Like I said, it probably would have been better to go for a no-lynch (not probably, for sure would have been better) but I chalk that up to inexperience.

Balla24

2322 Posts

September 28 2013 05:52 GMT

#298

Alright, I wasn't posting to let the stormtemplar/jonnylaw conversation continue a little while. I wasn't digging stormtemplar for mafia, and i'm still not really sure. He responds to jonnylaw's pressure well IMO. I don't think he seemed angry and he brings up the point of him bussing playerboy early on (if both were mafia).

I want to bring up the first posts of his where he brings up playerboy:

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However, as to your point about me just joining Zaragon on playerboy, no, not at all. As a matter of fact, I'm not really feeling zaragon's read on him. I'm not getting solid town vibes out of him at all. He's contributed rather minimally. (7 of his posts are 1-2 lines with maybe a quote.)

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This is his one good post, but it's not really doing much more then throwing around short opinions on jonnylaw's reads. There is that one bit of really weird logic at the end (It's scum because any non-scum asking that question must be a town roleblocker, therefore they wouldn't post it? Kinda shaky and weird.)

This is after he has been pressured by Heavenz already a little bit. He appears neutral on playerboy, he seems like he doesn't want to commit to him being town but doesn't want to push him too hard here. Only after he has multiple people on him (Heavenz, Jonnylaw) does he really turn the heat up on playerboy. IMO, this could conceivably be a bus, albeit a bad one.

With all that being said, I don't think it is. Playerboy and stormtemplar's posting angles have been completely different, althought stormtemplar has been under pretty heavy pressure all game long so he's been focusing on defending himself. I don't think they are both mafia (either one or the other), but I definitely don't want to leave the possibility off the table that they are. One last thing on the stormtemplar/playerboy subject (and another reason I don't think they are scum together). Stormtemplar completely dismisses playerboy's recent post as scum without even a second thought (more on my thoughts on the post later) just because he goes against Zaragon. No elaboration here, but he continues to call him useless even though playerboy's post at least brings up something that was relevant at the time, the voting patterns.

Now let me preface this by repeating the fact that I believe I made a mistake in voting on day 1, I should have voted for a no-lynch when everything came to pass, and I definitely should have noticed the blue claim. We've talked about it already and both Zaragon and I have given our reasoning. I find it odd that playerboy pretty much disregards what we said during the night and looks only at the day 1 events. But that could also just be good town play by not letting possible scum targets talk their way out of a slip. I think the post had good-intentions by looking at the voting pattern objectively and finding mob voters but the end of that day was hectic and I don't think you are taking that into account. I'm not sure what the angle would be as scum to post that though (i'm tired as fuck right now and i've been re-reading everything in night1 for ages), maybe to discredit Zaragon and I as townies since we got a blue role lynched. I'm gonna give it some more thought and definitely need to see more opinions on it when I have a fresh mind.

Lastly, I've been looking through filters for any kind of alliances or non-alliances whether they seem scummy or not (meaning I wasn't looking at content for scumminess, just rather who has disagreed/agreed with each other).

Jonnylaw and Heavenz
Stormtemplar or Jonnylaw
Stormtemplar or Playerboys
Zaragon and Jonnylaw
Zaragon or Bajablood
Heavenz and onlywonderboy

Maybe it can be helpful or maybe not. Just thought it would be interesting to see. Unfortunately it's getting late so I'm going to have to leave it at that. I was going to look at each of these pairs and see how they fit with the Bereft kill. But at first glance, it looks like Bereft might have just been a "strong-townie" kill that was not likely to be healed by doc since it was quite obvious that Zaragon was going to receive the heal. Looks like a safe kill.

Anyways, I'm tired as fuck and this probably doesn't even amke any sense so goodnight T_T.

Balla24

2322 Posts

September 29 2013 04:35 GMT

#321

On onlywonderboy:

On September 29 2013 05:00 onlywonderboy wrote:
Alright, heavenz calling me out with no facts leads me to believe he is scum. Seems like he's soft role calling Town Cop when he isn't one. His posts just come off as "I have insider information, trust me." With the format of the game we may not even have a Town Cop. If he's going to post that he is certain someone is scum he needs to provide his reasoning for why upfront.

I kind of picked up the soft-claim at the beginning of the day, but you're not really thinking this through. What he said later contradicts the "soft-claim" directly. He claimed he was roleblocked and THEN called you out for being scum (with no evidence, yes). There's no way he's town cop, and your post kind of gives me the feeling of you mis-evaluating the situation and trying to get the cop to come out as scum so that you can kill him the next day. However, he does need to come forward with his reasoning for accusing you

On playerboy:
His big post is now irrelevant with Zaragon's cop claim, I would have liked to have other people's opinions on everything said in there besides my own and Zaragon's but I guess we can move past that now. I am very interested to hear your (playerboy's) reads and defenses now that your theory has been refuted/debunked.

On Jonnylaw and Heavenz:

I previously said that these guys were agreeing a lot and could possibly be a mafia pair. This was due to their reads on day1 and also their voting pattern: they both initially went after stormtemplar and then switched in a very close time period to MLuneth. Their styles on day 1 were also very similar, it was mostly "feelings" on stormtemplar and when I asked them to elaborate they weren't really able to point out anything super scummy about him. Feelings are good in this game, especially on day1.

Today, Jonnylaw is bringing up good points about playerboy, but he disregards the major post of playerboy's as if it was irrelevant. I would have liked him to post his thoughts on that instead of just previous interaction of playerboy/stormtemplar. It's this kind of tunnel vision that i'm worried about. How do your thoughts change when you take into account that post? Is everything he did in line with how you thought of him before? Heavenz, however continues the same way he did on day1, off of feeling and still no real evidence. This series of posts from Heavenz particularly baffles me:

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On September 27 2013 06:28 heavenz wrote:
ok, onlywounderboy is behaving pro town because he explains himself and acts accordingly.

1. he's active in the beginning with 1 liners, to start discussion and avoid lurking

2. when you question him about this he answeres explaining himself
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I think I got scared into writing one liners due to people claiming we were going to lynch non-active people. But, tis true, I should have transitioned into writing more useful posts. This is still my first game so I'm trying to take a lot of it in. I have pretty much zero knowledge of everyone in this game so getting a read off of people on a relatively few number of pages is proving more difficult than I had hoped. That said, stand outs right now:

Jayte: Joke post to start off the game, hasn't contributed anything of value. Isn't trying to cause chaos in the town, but his absence is questionable. Mentions being busy with work, could just be throwing that out so we don't seem suspicious

MLuneth: Had that odd question to start, could have easily asked a coach instead of putting it in the thread.

playerboy: Great analysis of all the players. But, imo, it seemed like a post that was trying too hard to put the spotlight on "Hey, look, I'm helping the town!" I'm definitely not saying he should be a candidate for the first lynch, but just something to keep in mind in the future.

then he makes his vote post because he has to go and goes with one of the afk/s which is kinda a safe bet to vote on.
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Unfortunately I have to be getting to work, so I'll miss any last minute deliberations. I'm going to have to ##Vote: Blurry. He's had plenty of time to defend himself so I'm not sure a least minute appeal would change my mind. He sorta flew under the radar for me, but people have pointed out his lack of contribution I agree it seems problematic.

What can I say I don't know if he's really town, but he seems reasonable and constructive to me.

I also don't think you're suspicious. Like I said too I don't want to vote Blurry or Bereft.

From the active players Stormtemplar and Mluneth are suspicious
then we have still Jeyte and xIvanJ, I would be willing to vote them too though

On September 28 2013 16:32 heavenz wrote:
if he were town he wouldn't have such issues answering simle questions and didn't have to come it with excuses "was joke soso, low battery can't post, plx no kill me, i post moar i swears"

Zargan, that you indirectly imply that I mistook his word for what it was and not a silly joke on purpose makes you scummy.

onlywounderboy is certainly Mafia

btw I was roleblocked

In what order are the nightactions processed? First town or first mafia?

He says onlywonderboy is town and gives his reasons for it and then suddenly switches completely 180 degrees and accuses him of being scum with no reasoning whatsoever. Are you getting sloppy and giving less of a fuck? I've never seen a switch so sudden.

To zaragon:
I'd like to hear your current thoughts on Heavenz and Jonnylaw. Really on everybody since you're likely to die tonight. But heavenz and jonnylaw are high priority to me right now, and you can save your reads on everybody else till nightphase. Also, no reason to reveal until nightphase unless you or they are about to get lynched.

Balla24

2322 Posts

September 29 2013 18:02 GMT

#327

On September 30 2013 02:53 Zaragon wrote:

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I almost forgot my mental note to look at this. 1 minute before deadline, just along with Playerboy and setting up for "if Zaragon survives the night". Then even an EBWOP to make light of it:

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And a couple of hours later, he didn't do that. Also, the post with the meta information on MLuneth, even if very good, was suspiciously timed (the 7 minutes until deadline I mentioned before). By that time the lynch was set. By itself, this doesn't mean anything, he could've not caught up to how fast people wanted to go MLuneth and not been worried until late. With another just-before-deadline post he looks suspicious in the same way playerboy does.

Baja/Playerboy/inactive is now my biggest scum circle read. I'll check so I haven't missed something that contradicts them planning together.

Thanks for that, I had stopped looking at Bajablood completely and he seems to just completely not do what he says hes going to do. This has happened multiple times and i'll refer back to a post that I did previously

On September 27 2013 12:29 Balla24 wrote:

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I'm going to agree with you here on the Bajablood/playerboy pair. WTB some defenses T_T...

Balla24

2322 Posts

September 29 2013 19:01 GMT

#343

Ugh, Heavenz you are confusing the shit out of me...

Balla24

2322 Posts

September 29 2013 19:32 GMT

#347

On September 30 2013 04:22 Zaragon wrote:
onlywonderboy, do you have a defense?

At this point, the most dangerous possibilities for me are heavenz using lurker factor to bring a scum win, possibly in conjunction with Playerboy. But both of them are contributing and reading town in many ways. A more subdued scum team is more likely to me by now.

Tons of possibilities for lurker combinations but we have to disregard those I think. We get a lot of information tonight with an active target. Hopefully modkills sweep up foil targets and maybe even a scum or two.

Jayte voted last night and Blurry did not, so for tomorrow depending on the landscape--good scum reads first obviously--prioritize a Jayte lynch if it comes down to a lurker. Assuming he will be modkilled last. Frustrating to depend on modkills but we have to.

Jayte did not vote last night.

I'm gonna put my vote on onlywonderboy (##vote: onlywonderboy), he needs to defend himself. If there is no defense in an hour or so I will remove for the time being and reconsider. I don't want to make the same mistake as last day so I'm going to be here the entire time.

Heavenz to me right now is playing super dangerously both as town and as scum (sk or mafia). He's flip flopping a hell of a lot, claimed to be roleblocked (which to me signifies that he has a role) and is going after people with little evidence. He seems to be frustrated with the game. This could mean that he is mafia and has afk teammates which would fucking suck.

Please people, if you are under suspicion defend yourself! If you are accusing people bring up why you think so. If you don't and you are town, then the game is lost. So far the only one who has defended himself is actually just playerboy, which is hilarious and confusing.. come on guys.

Balla24

2322 Posts

September 29 2013 21:19 GMT

#360

On September 30 2013 05:45 JonnyLaw wrote:
Hey guys, the more I think about the more I feel like we're getting MLuneth2.0 by lynching onlywonderboy. I've been going over it my head and rereading his logs. He could be mafia but that's just not the feeling I'm getting.

heavenz and playerboy seem much scummier in their posting. We're going lynch onlywonderboy for lack of content in a noob game? I dunno, give me some more reasons than that and I'm more than happy to hop aboard the lynch train.

I'm gonna have to agree with you here, ##unvote. His defense, is again lackluster, the number of slip ups is considerate but he hasn't been changing up his play and I can't really pinpoint anything specific besides the Blurry vote on day 1 and even the most town people messed up their voting day 1.

Like I said previously, Heavenz is playing very dangerously. His accusations are completely baseless and he continues to do so. Heavenz will be my end day vote unless something changes.

Balla24

2322 Posts

September 29 2013 21:43 GMT

#368

On September 30 2013 06:39 Zaragon wrote:
Ok I'll buy it.

Betting onlywonderboy.

Wait i'm confused, why do you buy it? Isn't vt just vanilla townie? Why would someone claim that? Not too relevant to the game i guess but im just so confused right now.

Balla24

2322 Posts

September 29 2013 21:50 GMT

#372

##vote Heavenz

I don't buy it, and I don't understand why you do Zaragon and after this goes through I'd like to hear why you buy it.

Balla24

2322 Posts

September 29 2013 21:55 GMT

#379

On September 30 2013 06:53 Zaragon wrote:

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Ah my first thought was vigi which could be proven in the night.

I'm not sure, I just buy the possibility of a mafia roleblocker hitting heavenz since Bereft died and I wasn't roleblocked. playerboy hasn't said anything about roleblocking either.

Of course, heavenz would know if there isn't a scum roleblocker in the game if he is scum... Ugh

I don't know

Who did you check? is it relevant?

Balla24

2322 Posts

September 29 2013 21:56 GMT

#380

EBWOP: Don't reveal if it's not relevant but if it clears any of Heavenz, Playerboy or Onlywonderboy then it's important obviously, I just don't want you to forget.

Balla24

2322 Posts

September 29 2013 23:07 GMT

#403

On September 30 2013 07:49 Koshi wrote:
Bella
Why did you vote for heavenz when you can be the deciding factor between playerboy and onlywonderboy. Why not switch votes after you saw heavenz wasn't getting lynched. Did you think onlywonderboy was scum? Or that both playerboy and onlywonderboy were town? Tell me what you were thinking.

I wasn't the deciding factor.. I was hoping that Zaragon would switch his vote to heavenz but I wasn't 100% sure on onlywonderboy, I wanted to vote him so that he would defend himself and we could clear himself but I still wasn't sure he was town... with his flip we can go after heavenz and playerboy... both were pushing OWB pretty hard and both are scummy.

Heavenz didn't claim RB... he claimed getting roleblocked. I don't know how that tells us he is town. He says he is vt, but he seemed pretty pissed off that he was roleblocked, that's why I think he's scum.

Balla24

2322 Posts

September 29 2013 23:25 GMT

#411

On September 30 2013 08:21 Koshi wrote:

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What? You get RB message after the night? Like wtf? Is this the worst claim in mafia history?

No I think he's saying that the day starts when he's asleep or something... i dunno

Balla24

2322 Posts

September 30 2013 02:04 GMT

#426

Wait what, why would mafia roleblock an afk? That doesn't make sense...

Balla24

2322 Posts

September 30 2013 02:09 GMT

#428

I'm still not sold on the fact that Heavenz isn't scum just because he was roleblocked, especially when we know it wasn't a mafia roleblock. You all saw how "fuck it all" he was when he got roleblocked. I'm scared of SK and he's the only one who seems like an SK at this point.

Balla24

2322 Posts

September 30 2013 02:11 GMT

#429

There still could be a doc too so don't assume you will be dying, but do get all the information out there that you have (Zaragon/Stormtemplar)

Balla24

2322 Posts

September 30 2013 02:17 GMT

#431

There would need to be 1 unclaimed doctor, not 1-shot doctor. There is already an explanation for why there was one NK, you blocked the SK... is the unclaimed doctor so hard to believe? Doctor should never come out unless it is a game winning move.

Balla24

2322 Posts

September 30 2013 02:27 GMT

#433

Also, who did Bereft roleblock? There should be 3 total roleblocks on night 1 right?

Balla24

2322 Posts

September 30 2013 02:29 GMT

#434

You haven't been under suspicion for a while now, and you claiming that you roleblocked heavenz makes perfect sense. I 100% believe you. It is an easy thing to claim though so maybe we should re-think that. The fact that you even bring that up though makes me believe you even more.

Balla24

2322 Posts

September 30 2013 03:32 GMT

#437

On September 30 2013 11:32 JonnyLaw wrote:
I'm not sold on anyone to be fair. I wanted heavenz...he responded. I went back to my original read. storm's safe enough for now. I still say we should have lynched heavenz or playerboy.

If you want my feeling on this game. I want to lynch someone who will give the town info by doing so. I wanted storm day1 and it was not going to happen. I thought Mluneth had a chance of being mafia; not high but a chance, and I played on it.

I thought owb had a very, very slight chance so I didnt wanna make the same mistake.

playerboy and heavenz; one is mafia. If we had lynched one of them yesterday it'd be easier to choose.

i think owb did give us some info, did it not? not that it's ever good to kill a towny, but now we know for sure that out of playerboy/heavenz there is at least 1 scum... maybe 2.

Balla24

2322 Posts

September 30 2013 03:32 GMT

#438

EBWOP: Well, not for sure but chances are VERY high.

Balla24

2322 Posts

September 30 2013 15:53 GMT

#456

Heavenz, go back to my day 1 filter and look at exactly what I was saying in regards to stormtemplar. It was on YOU and Jonnylaw to provide evidence of why he was scum because I just couldn't find any. When you were asked for more, only Jonnylaw was able to provide more but I still wasn't sold. MLuneth made logical sense to me at the time, and we've been through this like 4 times.

On day2 voting. I wasn't the deciding vote... not at all. I voted on Heavenz to try to get support from Jonnylaw and Zaragon but that didn't happen. Zaragon was the deciding vote. I was very clear on my voting stance on day 2. I said at the beginning of voting what my plan was, to vote on OWB to get him to defend himself and then reconsider. That's exactly what I did.. Maybe I should have switched earlier or something to get more people to think about it but I didn't so you live and you learn.

On stormtemplar being scum roleblocker. You're right, he definitely could be and I should not blindly believe him. That actually makes more sense. Bereft roleblocks Blurry and stormtemplar roleblocks you. Stormtemplar has just played less scum then you all game and he got my backing with my tunnel vision. I won't believe stormtemplar as town RB until there is more proof.

Balla24

2322 Posts

September 30 2013 15:55 GMT

#457

On September 30 2013 21:20 Koshi wrote:
I am going to believe stormtemplar tbh. There was no reason for him to claim RB after a RB already flipped. wtf the chances of this setup are low. like REALLY LOW. I can't believe this shit...

That's true too. Looking at the way he claimed it and how he talks openly about how we shouldn't trust him is really a town tell. Or a really good scum player.

Balla24

2322 Posts

September 30 2013 15:59 GMT

#458

On September 30 2013 09:18 stormtemplar wrote:
Ah, alright, didn't know if an unclaimed should come out. I will then: I'm a town roleblocker, I suspected heavenz and playerboy night one, and decided to block heavenz last minute over playerboy.

On September 30 2013 11:27 stormtemplar wrote:
Also, random question, I don't exactly follow why everyone is so sure I'm town after I claimed. I presume there's a reason but what is it?

This is what i'm talking about btw.

Balla24

2322 Posts

September 30 2013 16:14 GMT

#461

Just a random thought, Heavenz could be the scum RB and not SK which could explain why he was so angry when he got roleblocked. This makes some amount of sense and it allows for him to have a scum teammate in playerboy.

and I'm not going to drop the fact that he was angry because to me that signifies that he was a role and he was acting retardedly... just look at his beginning of day 2 action it was just silly.. if he was VT he would have just claimed to be RB'ed and that was it. what does it matter if you get RB'ed.

- his sudden switch on onlywonderboy (pretty sure he's town on day1 -> HES SCUM on day2 with no explanation)
- the possible slip that zaragon pointed out
- calling me the deciding vote when he was even more of a deciding vote than I was... you could have hammered playerboy but you didn't because you've been defending him(more indication that there is a scum pair here). I couldn't hammer anyone.

Balla24

2322 Posts

September 30 2013 16:21 GMT

#463

No, he roleblocked Heavenz. He already said that...

Balla24

2322 Posts

September 30 2013 16:50 GMT

#467

Zaragon thinks I am town due to process of elimination. Last I heard is he thought I was in a possible mafia pair with playerboy or Jonnylaw but he decided that is the most unlikely case as the heavenz/playerboy is a much higher possibility based on the flow of the game. At least that's what I think he is thinking.

Balla24

2322 Posts

September 30 2013 16:52 GMT

#468

Ugh why would you bring that up man? This is a newbie game it might not have been clear what their kill was.

Balla24

2322 Posts

September 30 2013 17:05 GMT

#471

I don't know... it could be anybody except Zaragon and Stormtemplar i guess. Just because he was checked and it returned town doesn't mean he could be godfather though. The way he has been playing doesn't indicate scum to me though.

Balla24

2322 Posts

September 30 2013 17:53 GMT

#476

Look here heavenz, http://wiki.mafiascum.net/?title=C9++ there can't be a GF in your case. Not that it will change your mind, but for future games so that you can be aware of how the setups work.

Balla24

2322 Posts

September 30 2013 18:59 GMT

#484

heavanz bajablood got modkilled, he was VT...

and that setup is not possible. no.... futhermore your whole argument about me as scum is because i've been defending stormtemplar who you think is mafia roleblocker so I really don't see how you come up with jonny/me...

Balla24

2322 Posts

September 30 2013 19:01 GMT

#485

it sounds like you are just trying to find any way for me to be scum just to discredit me because i'm pushing for you so hard.

Balla24

2322 Posts

September 30 2013 19:18 GMT

#487

Dude it's LYLO. If you're town you would defend yourself to the very end..

Balla24

2322 Posts

September 30 2013 20:20 GMT

#500

Hey guys my name is b-A-l-l-a not bElla. Haha.. god that was bothering me forever lol. Back to work

I definitely agree, it's all about reading filters. That and the night actions will give us a huge understanding of everything that is going on. After all, this is only the 2nd night of actions.

Balla24

2322 Posts

September 30 2013 22:19 GMT

#509

Stortemplar give us your info!!

Balla24

2322 Posts

September 30 2013 23:02 GMT

#520

I'm still on heavenz/playerboy, but stormtemplar's info could totally change that.

I do want to point out something else, that might be completely irrelevant when stormtemplar reveals, but look at the nature of heavenz/playerboy's large post and cases they made. Both of them went on a point by point analysis on the voting to try to prove a point.

Balla24

2322 Posts

September 30 2013 23:10 GMT

#521

On October 01 2013 07:39 Zaragon wrote:
The NK was decent, but you being roleblocked and us having a NK at all makes no sense... Unless me and Koshi's attempt to out-meta mafia's NK went terribly wrong and out-metaed someone else too

Could you explain what you were trying to do? I definitely missed something yesterday here, cause I thought it was really bad that you and Koshi were talking about how mafia has to kill stormtemplar.

Balla24

2322 Posts

September 30 2013 23:31 GMT

#523

Cmooon stormtemplar................

Balla24

2322 Posts

October 01 2013 02:07 GMT

#525

Well that didn't give us any information at alllllllllllllllllll T_____T

Balla24

2322 Posts

October 01 2013 02:18 GMT

#528

Of course we would have gotten information... we would have gotten more evidence to accept you as RBer, gotten more information on who scum roleblocker is and possibly caught a mafia/stopped a kill/won the game.

Balla24

2322 Posts

October 01 2013 02:34 GMT

#532

I'm here, ask away.

Balla24

2322 Posts

October 01 2013 02:53 GMT

#534

I don't like the way Heavenz and Jonnylaw pushed him. Jonnylaw's push was better than Heavenz but to me he didn't do anything scummy. Basically he had one misstep with how he referred to playerboy and they were both on him. MLuneth had some possible real scum moves. I couldn't see how stormtemplar was scummy at that point.

Hmm... I'm not too sure I'll have to look at his filter more. From the top of my head I think it does TBH. Remember day1 he missed the end of the day even when he was under heavy suspicion. I'll come back to this question again.

Even though I think the mistake fits his play, I just can't really imagine a person making multiple mistakes like this. Again, I need to re-read his filter, so yes I would put him in a stormtemplar/heavenz combo. However unlikely, could be just pulling us around. I'm much more inclined to believe a heavenz/playerboy scum combo.

Balla24

2322 Posts

October 01 2013 03:01 GMT

#537

No it doesn't work... if you ARE part of a scumteam and we get it wrong then it's over.

Balla24

2322 Posts

October 01 2013 04:10 GMT

#553

On October 01 2013 13:09 Zaragon wrote:

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Good night

I guess we'll see how this turns out when heavenz and playerboy make their cases.

Balla feel free to toss in your opinion as well, maybe scrounge for a detail on playerboy or heavenz. So far it looks like you will be rather unfortunately (if you are town) tied to Stormtemplar's blunder.

Sorry what's a DT?... what is he saying? I'm about to head of to bed as well

Balla24

2322 Posts

October 01 2013 04:23 GMT

#555

Lol ok... i was so confused for a second I thought he was claiming he was DT as in detective as in cop which would totally fit this setup and make everything make more sense. I was like, wtf why are you saying that without telling us who you checked...

Balla24

2322 Posts

October 01 2013 04:30 GMT

#556

Ok i'm gonna head off to sleep! I have a job interview tomorrow so I will be on later than normal, maybe around 2-3 pm EST. Wish me luck!

Balla24

2322 Posts

October 01 2013 16:39 GMT

#569

On October 01 2013 20:47 heavenz wrote:

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yeah I know, that was badly played, but I don't see how that makes me scum. I read him as town, but I was dissapointed by his progession, he only cared about himself, that annoyed me, that's why I just wanted to push him, but I should have realized that I got opposition from the scum, so I should have stopped before the end,.. I was just hoping he would really be scum. Mistakes were made.

Btw, you keep looking at mistakes, that's not how you should play it. Look at the motivation behind the actions.
1) I wasn't the town leader
2) I wasn't convincing
3) It was really dumb, and I didn't care if you would have lynched me afterwards, coz the game with the ton of afk'ers felt like a waste of time

so basicly it was really bad and risky. If I was mafia, I would feel beforehand if more players thought that he would be a good lynch, not 180 and go for it no matter what, and that on an unimportant target.

I didn't cover myself in glory that day, but I made up for it.

Either way if you consider Stormtemplar mafia you can't think that I am mafia too.

Also this is my 2nd game, I claimed I was roleblocked because I was roleblocked (even stormtemplar attest it), I claim vt, coz I am, I never claimed anything else.

I want to ask you a question. Consider my claim to be true for a second. Now make up reasonable mafia teams.

You're right. You and Stormtemplar cannot be mafia (very very very very low chance, if they are then they deserve the win LOL). The thing is, that makes me believe that Stormtemplar is town more than you are town.

I would like to bring up Heavenz's votes again:

Day1: Mluneth... ok everybody fucked this one up, can't really say much about it because everyone looks like scum in this case.

Day2: Onlywonderboy... He voted him in a completly 180 degree flip (he is acting pro-town), didn't listen to any defense, didn't give any reasoning besides quoting Bereft. How is this not the most anti-town behavior in the thread?

I'm sorry heavenz, if you are town you really dug your own grave.

Balla24

2322 Posts

October 01 2013 23:53 GMT

#574

On October 02 2013 06:24 heavenz wrote:
You need to understand the this is not a rating of who is the most suspicious, we just have to kill the mafia. Read the last game, umasi was mafia, he wasn't suspicious at all.
.

Dude what does this even mean??????????? This entire game is about lynching the suspicious people. What else is there to go on besides suspicion? Why would you lynch someone if they aren't suspicious? The whole goal of town is to get the scum to become suspicious so that they can find out and then kill them before they kill town.

This is such a shit show. It seems to me like everybody is just bussing everybody because fuck everybody else. Please, zaragon, jonnylaw ASK MORE QUESTIONS. We're not going to get anywhere with you guys re-iterating the facts that we all know. You need to get people to share their thoughts on different subjects so that the suspects can possibly slip in their reasoning. This is one thing that Heavenz (yes, i'm going to say it again) has yet to provide. ANY reasoning for ANYTHING. Force it out! Of all of us, not just Heavenz.

Balla24

2322 Posts

October 02 2013 04:00 GMT

#579

On October 02 2013 09:50 Zaragon wrote:

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It's LYLO after 2 days and scum's job is to not appear suspicious throughout the game. It's not as easy as who looks most suspicious.

I do have another question to ask. Balla, why have you read stormtemplar town all game and showed minimal suspicion about him? After the whole roleblock conversation yesterday, can you really buy that he simply forgot to use his? He was active in the roleblocking discussion, obviously.

Other than that, I need to see playerboy's take on what he missed of the game and his reads now.

No, it's not that easy. But the whole process of this game is to make it so scum players become suspicious enough that you can lynch them. If a player isn't ever suspicious you will never catch them. Just because their actions aren't suspicious by themselves doesn't mean that together with something else they aren't suspicious either. At the end of the day, it will be who looks most suspicious, regardless of whether or not they are most suspicious now, otherwise why would you vote for them. Anyways, I don't even know why we're talking about this. It's silly. This is the kind of random rants we can't really afford right now. I shouldn't have brought it up.

To me, the case on stormtemplar was very very weak on day 1 and day 2 the attention was somewhere else. There wasn't much substance behind it and I couldn't find anything particularly scummy. Today however things are totally different. I can't believe him. Just can't. Koshi calculated the chance of a setup like this being 2.5% or something like that. That's so low. I can't really believe him straight up based on that possibility, but on the other hand the situation where he is ACTUALLY town roleblocker and he ACTUALLY forgot to roleblock just makes more sense to me with the way the game has flowed and the way he has played in general. The timing all makes sense. Everything else makes sense. The situation where he is scum roleblocker seems so contrived and unreasonable. It doesn't make sense. Why would stormtemplar roleblock Jonnylaw in this case and then why would he claim he forgot to roleblock?

I don't know. I'm a in a weird situation here where BOTH cases are incredibly incredibly low probability, in one case it's due to the way the game is setup and in the other case it's just because of how it all fits together.

Balla24

2322 Posts

October 02 2013 04:06 GMT

#581

On October 02 2013 12:58 JonnyLaw wrote:
I think they're more of a gamble. If we get one we win. I just think playerboy is scummy. It's late for me I'llo give full reads tomorrow before voting time. I hope you're around then if not, pick your vote and give a reason and I'll evaluate it. I work early in the morning tomorrow.

Cmon man give it a better effort than that... poke more!! Don't gamble. You get one you win, you miss and you lose.

Balla24

2322 Posts

October 02 2013 04:29 GMT

#583

I totally understand. It's literally the worst way to lose. I'm not sure the roleblock on jonnylaw is the best move in his position, or even a good move at all. What about just roleblocking Heavenz again? He would have kept the possibility of Heavenz being scum RB and he could have covered it with the fact that he was trying to kill 2 birds with one stone (possibly block a kill and also a roleblock) and also trying to clear his name as town RB. Obviously this wouldn't be the brightest town RB play but it would certainly (IMO, and no offense stormtemplar) match his play. Again though, I'm just trying to think logically through this and understand what possibilities there are.

Can I ask you a question you asked me previously though? If he is town RB and did forget the roleblock, do you think it fits with his play the rest of the game? You've probably already thought about it, but putting thoughts out there sometimes catches things you don't normally. Just interested to see

Balla24

2322 Posts

October 02 2013 04:51 GMT

#585

Sure. Very reasonable.

I'm glad you're trying to see all the sides Zaragon. I'm going to head off to bed in a few minutes here. I'll check again before going though to make sure there's no more questions.

Balla24

2322 Posts

October 02 2013 17:33 GMT

#598

Welp. Still no new information except now we are considering Jonnylaw too? T_T

And since we are starting the votes, not so obvious for me but I'm going with my gut: ##Vote: heavenz

Balla24

2322 Posts

October 02 2013 17:53 GMT

#600

What? I've explained so many times and you always ignore it and never give any reasoning for any of it. You could easily just read my filter to see what I think of you.

You've flip flopped on so many subjects, had possible scum slips, given up at inopportune moments (LYLO), it fits with the proposed role setups. Your voting pattern matches that of a possible scum. Everything makes more sense when you are mafia. You even seem more scum then everyone else in this situation when everybody is defending themselves because you keep saying things that you shouldn't do as a townie when you are about to get lynched (when i bring up onlywonderboy and tell you that you dug your own grave you just give up and STILL don't explain it and give me a bullshit 1 liner).

Balla24

2322 Posts

October 02 2013 22:00 GMT

#612

Time to see which super low probability situation it is T_T

Balla24

2322 Posts

October 02 2013 22:05 GMT

#615

GG.

Balla24

2322 Posts

October 02 2013 22:06 GMT

#619

Can we get obs qt link?

Balla24

2322 Posts

October 02 2013 22:07 GMT

#621

oh its there lelelele

Balla24

2322 Posts

October 02 2013 22:12 GMT

#628

yeah... you guys really screwed yourselves by letting us sit... Koshi was really changing the tempo up and making it hard for us, even if he wasn't 100% going in the right direction...

Balla24

2322 Posts

October 02 2013 22:13 GMT

#632

oh yeah and the double block on heavenz LOL... we got pretty lucky with that AND the no block by storm but also playing 1 mafia down is pretty unlucky as well

Balla24

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October 02 2013 22:13 GMT

#634

On October 03 2013 07:13 Umasi wrote:

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as an aside, koshi is too experienced to keep replacing in these hehe

yeah seriously... as soon as he stepped in playerboy and i were like FUUUUUUUUUUCK

Balla24

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October 02 2013 22:14 GMT

#636

i really really didn't want to roll scum on my 1st game haha... i'll in on the next game as well but i really dont want scum T_T

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October 02 2013 22:15 GMT

#638

What haha i was telling you the entire game about the possible roles...

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October 02 2013 22:19 GMT

#642

It's easy... the creater of the game generates 7 random numbers. Each of those random numbers corresponds to a letter (decided by the # range shown). All the town blues are decided by the letters that are rolled, and the mafia roles are decided by the # of Ts that are rolled (because if it rolls a T that means a VT role is present, so the more VTs there are the less powerful the mafia teams are since there aren't as many blues).

Once all 7 rolls are done, the rest are given VTs. Makes it just random enough so you can't know exactly what there is at the beginning of the game until some flips/claims have occured.

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October 02 2013 22:20 GMT

#643

I'm curious though, why did you guys dismiss the possiblity of me/playerboy... it seemed like it was all in the very back of your minds.

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October 02 2013 22:28 GMT

#646

yeah i think i probably pissed him off a bit lol T_T

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October 02 2013 22:34 GMT

#648

IMO the me/playerboy case was definitely there... look how little I mentioned him and pushed him and how he tactically made that big post vs me/zaragon/onlywonderboy

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October 02 2013 22:39 GMT

#654

On October 03 2013 07:34 playerboy345 wrote:
Yea stormtemplar forgetting to RB was a huge blunder of his, but even if he did RB town would've still lost.

I don't understand why people go afk after signing in for a game, I assume you know what you've signed in for, no? This game wouldn't have ended this quickly if there weren't 2 modkills :/ (or was it 3? Don't want to search for it T_T)

No, they would have been in a MUCH better position which is why i was freaking out after we sent in our night actions last night.

We banked on the fact that storm would block either heavenz or playerboy. If storm blocked heavenz it would have cleared both of them because of the fact that we blocked jonnylaw. You would have had to do some slick claiming in order to get out of this one and it would have been mad hard.

Only reason we blocked jonnylaw was because we thought he was a possible doctor and heavenz was an SK (another one of my tells which makes sense with the JL block). In this case we would have been fine but still... not as easy because theres a bit more info out there.

Balla24

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October 02 2013 22:44 GMT

#661

you just need to work on explaining your accusations... the onlywonderboy thing killed you and I still don't know what happened there..

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October 02 2013 23:07 GMT

#669

yeah zaragon you played really well IMO.. at least compared to everyone else..

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