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Message GMarshal if you request a ban please ^_^

Also when the game you're sitting out is over!
~GMarshal
gobbledydook
Profile Joined October 2012
Australia2605 Posts
July 25 2014 07:02 GMT
#1481
On July 25 2014 13:13 Chairman Ray wrote:
No mafia for me for a while

Serves you right
I am a dirty Protoss bullshit abuser
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 25 2014 09:41 GMT
#1482
I do think 4 is very harsh actually.

I don't think it carried the same malicious intent that other stuff gets banned for. I think it was against the spirit of the game (not reading PM) and stupid (posting screenshot after death) but not malicious. I think CR was just "lololol i was really telling the truth" without thinking what that meant for the game.

Much as I'm a fan of punishing stupidity, I do think 4 is kinda harsh. Say he sits out a couple - is another 1-2 on top of that really necessary to remind him that he simply can't do that? I don't really think so...

Compare to say 2 of the requests on Storm - kush purposefully and knowingly getting himself banned midgame + a history of other abuses, or Corazon getting modkilled despite strong host warnings + a history of doing very similar things in previous games.

I can't possibly see how these warrant less than a one-off dumb offence from an otherwise quite normal member.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
July 25 2014 10:44 GMT
#1483
CR either gets 3 or 4 game ban, depends on how your heart feels BH. No less than that. The rules were clear and they were broken without any doubt. This is past Bill Murray behaviour and should be treated the same.
I work alone. // Visit TL Mafia subforum!
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 25 2014 11:06 GMT
#1484
and BM is/was a serial offender and CR simply isn't. It's the significant difference that you happily ignore. Woof woof.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-25 13:22:59
July 25 2014 13:18 GMT
#1485
On July 25 2014 20:06 marvellosity wrote:
and BM is/was a serial offender and CR simply isn't. It's the significant difference that you happily ignore. Woof woof.

So everyone can cheat freely once and get away with it? I do not understand. As for BM, he got permabanned for his "work" but he was getting banned for his actions. Dura lex sed lex.
EDIT: You know that I am very easy on people who get modkilled for activity. I would love to let this slide, but it was a clear-cut cheating.
I work alone. // Visit TL Mafia subforum!
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 25 2014 13:27 GMT
#1486
Did CR show his unanswered PM to hide his teammate or to show he really didn't read his PM?

bh says the former, marv says the latter.


if bh is right 3 sounds correct. 2 if we are being nice and because CR is nice.
If marv is right 1 sounds right.
I had a good night of sleep.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 25 2014 13:36 GMT
#1487
On July 25 2014 22:18 Kurumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2014 20:06 marvellosity wrote:
and BM is/was a serial offender and CR simply isn't. It's the significant difference that you happily ignore. Woof woof.

So everyone can cheat freely once and get away with it? I do not understand. As for BM, he got permabanned for his "work" but he was getting banned for his actions. Dura lex sed lex.
EDIT: You know that I am very easy on people who get modkilled for activity. I would love to let this slide, but it was a clear-cut cheating.

That is clearly not what I said, so I have no idea why you are trying to make it look like I said that. Bad argument.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-25 14:20:49
July 25 2014 14:18 GMT
#1488
On July 25 2014 22:27 Koshi wrote:
Did CR show his unanswered PM to hide his teammate or to show he really didn't read his PM?

bh says the former, marv says the latter.


if bh is right 3 sounds correct. 2 if we are being nice and because CR is nice.
If marv is right 1 sounds right.

He posted a screenshot of his inbox after his death.
Marv I said I do not understand your argument. You want to let this slide because CR did not intend it to be harmful?
I work alone. // Visit TL Mafia subforum!
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 25 2014 14:21 GMT
#1489
On July 25 2014 23:18 Kurumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2014 22:27 Koshi wrote:
Did CR show his unanswered PM to hide his teammate or to show he really didn't read his PM?

bh says the former, marv says the latter.


if bh is right 3 sounds correct. 2 if we are being nice and because CR is nice.
If marv is right 1 sounds right.

He posted a screenshot of inbox shortcut after his death.
Marv I said I do not understand your argument. You want to let this slide because CR did not intend it to be harmful?

Can you put messages you read back to unread on TL?
I had a good night of sleep.
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
July 25 2014 14:26 GMT
#1490
On July 25 2014 23:21 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2014 23:18 Kurumi wrote:
On July 25 2014 22:27 Koshi wrote:
Did CR show his unanswered PM to hide his teammate or to show he really didn't read his PM?

bh says the former, marv says the latter.


if bh is right 3 sounds correct. 2 if we are being nice and because CR is nice.
If marv is right 1 sounds right.

He posted a screenshot of inbox shortcut after his death.
Marv I said I do not understand your argument. You want to let this slide because CR did not intend it to be harmful?

Can you put messages you read back to unread on TL?

Yes.

CR was CLEARLY doing this to prove he didn't read it and had no idea of the implications it would have on the game. Thinking otherwise is absolutely bonkers and you should smack yourself for thinking he had any ulterior motives
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-25 14:27:22
July 25 2014 14:26 GMT
#1491
null and void because you can put messages back to unread.
I had a good night of sleep.
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
July 25 2014 14:28 GMT
#1492
True story, Kurumi modkilled me for questioning him during night phase in a private chat

True story, Marv isn't on irc
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 25 2014 14:29 GMT
#1493
On July 25 2014 23:18 Kurumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2014 22:27 Koshi wrote:
Did CR show his unanswered PM to hide his teammate or to show he really didn't read his PM?

bh says the former, marv says the latter.


if bh is right 3 sounds correct. 2 if we are being nice and because CR is nice.
If marv is right 1 sounds right.

He posted a screenshot of his inbox after his death.
Marv I said I do not understand your argument. You want to let this slide because CR did not intend it to be harmful?

I said 4 was too many, not to let it slide
Much as I'm a fan of punishing stupidity, I do think 4 is kinda harsh. Say he sits out a couple - is another 1-2 on top of that really necessary to remind him that he simply can't do that? I don't really think so...

thought this was relatively clear tbh
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
July 25 2014 14:30 GMT
#1494
Not knowing the law does not make you immune to it. He broke two rules under cheating and it DID matter for the game. At one point someone suggested Palmar pushing CR to make him read his role pm (not true because Palmar was Town, but the theory had some merit to it).
I work alone. // Visit TL Mafia subforum!
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
July 25 2014 14:32 GMT
#1495
No one is claiming he shouldn't be punished. We're claiming it was an unintentional breach of the rules and he should be treated more leniently
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
July 25 2014 14:33 GMT
#1496
I, for one, am certain that a 2 game ban will make CR never do that again.

Plus, who doesn't feel bad for a guy who has rolled mafia in like 90% of his games on TL
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-25 14:39:34
July 25 2014 14:38 GMT
#1497
On July 25 2014 23:33 IAmRobik wrote:
I, for one, am certain that a 2 game ban will make CR never do that again.

Plus, who doesn't feel bad for a guy who has rolled mafia in like 90% of his games on TL

This. He won't ever do it again.

Plus 2 games is still like a month.

Don't get why people would want more for this guy. Other than insane bloodlust and schadenfreude. Which I don't put past most people tbh.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
July 25 2014 14:42 GMT
#1498
On July 25 2014 23:28 IAmRobik wrote:
True story, Kurumi modkilled me for questioning him during night phase in a private chat

True story, Marv isn't on irc

You were berating me, calling me a terrible mod, that I should never host, that I am showing "Polish salt". Look, I never wanted to bring this up because I gave you a second chance. I told myself not to play with you for some time. You on the other hand still go for this black PR any chance you get it. I asked you to stop and you refused. I am not your personal toy to channel anger at.
I work alone. // Visit TL Mafia subforum!
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
July 25 2014 15:27 GMT
#1499
On July 25 2014 18:41 marvellosity wrote:
Compare to say 2 of the requests on Storm - kush purposefully and knowingly getting himself banned midgame + a history of other abuses,


first i purposefully AND knowingly got myself banned? are those different things? can you do something on purpose without knowing it?
also no, I had no idea saying that was going to get me banned actually. I was not thinking about that at all when I wrote it.
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
July 25 2014 17:49 GMT
#1500
On July 22 2014 02:34 Palmar wrote:
Storm Mafia ban requests

  • 3 game ban for Corazon for ignoring requests to tone it down and getting modkilled for abusive language.
  • 3 game ban for Kushm4sta for getting banned while playing a game of mafia and posting after death
  • 3 game ban for Alakaslam for requesting a ban while playing a game of mafia (seriously... wtf dude?)
  • 1 game ban for ExO_ for playing against his win condition by not posting for 7 days straight.


Corazon: This is easy, this isn't your first offense, and frankly, if the host asks you to tone it down, you should really tone it down, its not that hard. I know you get heated in the moment, etc, etc, etc, but come on, you've played dozens of games. Learn to take a step back and not call someone names a lot. I agree that three is harsh, so I'm going to say this, 2 game ban, and if you get modkilled for behavior again, you'll get an extra ban tacked on to it. This is a gesture of good faith.

Kush - usually we try not to add punishment to getting banned, as its usually not intentional, and not done with the intent of ruining a game, and it just feels like adding insult to injury. Could you elaborate on what he posted after death?

Alakaslam - Yeah, this seems reasonable, he's allowed to sit out one while banned, but he still has to serve two when he gets back.

ExO_ - sure.

Twitterverse

4 game ban to Chairman Ray for cheating. He repeatedly claimed not to have read his role PM during D1, which is acceptable to claim. However, after he was lynched for it, he posted the following: http://i.imgur.com/6of12Zd.png . This is a screenshot of his inbox, of the Role PM he received from me, unread. This falls under rules 5 and 6 in cheating from my OP: "5. Posting screenshots of your inbox, or really any screenshots of things from the game. 6. Posting or sharing any PM you receive from a host." as well as rule 1: "1. Posting after death. You may have one polite goodbye post, but it may not contain any potentially game-changing information."

By revealing he had not read his Role PM via screenshot (which is cheating anyways) after he was dead, Chairman Ray demonstrated to the town that none of what he said about people was motivated by him knowing who his scumbuddy was, etc etc. And it's a freaking screenshot of his unread role PM! It was pretty damn game-changing and is basically as clear-cut as it gets. And he was dead!

I cannot possibly imagine an argument that would convince me that Chairman Ray should not get a serious ban for this


Yeah, this is a pretty serious violation, reading the discussion following it though, I think a three game ban is more in line with the level of maliciousness. Still breaking two of the written rules is bad -__-
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