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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On January 06 2014 12:58 Corazon wrote: By having an equal standard of judgement. The veterans who follow the rules will not have anything change, while the veterans who continue to bend/break the rules will be punished. so nobody deserves preferential treatment then in your opinion? | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On January 06 2014 15:07 Oatsmaster wrote: so nobody deserves preferential treatment then in your opinion? Yes. However, since most people are good on this forum, veterans who deserve to be thought highly of and don't break the rules will probably continue to not break the rules. These people also tend to understand when they break the rules and accept their punishments, which makes me see no reason why we shouldn't standardize rules/punishment. You can still spread the love to whoever you want outside of this thread. But there should be no preferential treatment here. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
Talk about this meta-moderation in an appropriate place, the thread I have created, and not here. Please and thank you. No more derailing this thread. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
I'd like to request either a 1-game Ban or a Warning for Coagulation. At MYLO, as a townie, he hammered himself. The facts: Instant Majority Lynch. MYLO with 4 town, 2 scum. Coag is town. There are 2 uncontested blue claims, considered confirmed town. One confirmed town and 2 unconfirmed players vote for Coag. One more vote is required to hammer. Coag believes that alakaslam is the final scum, and will hammer him. He says Kush and Slam are scum, hammers himself, then after the day ends (since you're not allowed to talk after the hammer) says "I hammer myself you lynch kush and slam. The speculation: Coag played against his wincon and voted for himself, an action that could only cause town to lose and have no other outcome, and he knew this was the case. After the fact, he claimed he didn't know it was MYLO (despite knowing there were 2 scum and that it was 6 players, 4 for a majority). To an extent, I believe him. I don't think coag would intentionally ruin a game by hammering himself as a townie at MYLO. If he didn't hammer himself and nobody unvoted him, it was only a matter of time before Alakaslam came back from work and hammered him. In a way, the people ACTUALLY responsible for his lynch are MrCC and Hopeless who both voted him and put him in the range that scum could quickhammer him. That being said, all the explanations he gave and instructions to town in the event of his death were given AFTER he hammered himself, when the thread was closed. He could have chosen to continue playing, by for example appealing to MrCC and Hopeless1 that the day was only about an hour old or something. There were many plays that would not result in him instantly losing. His reasons didn't include "we might have a doctor so we could have another lynch" but actually that he didn't really know it was MYLO, despite knowing there were 2 scum and also knowing that it was 6 players, 4 to lynch. I like coag, and he's a cool guy, but townies hammering themselves at MYLO in IML is something that needs to be punished. I'm interested in hearing opinions about whether this should be a warning or a ban. The outcome of the game would have PROBABLY been the same if he hadn't hammered himself (MrCC and Hopeless wouldn't unvote him, and the final scum would just show up and hammer) but it's still a pretty blatant play against wincon. If he really thought it wasn't MYLO he doesn't deserve a punishment. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
Also is there a reason why it being MYLO matters specifically? I don't think there should be any reason it's ok for town to hammer themselves really... | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
If he really thought it wasn't MYLO he doesn't deserve a punishment. I disagree, he should be aware of what the gamestate is especially in an instant majority game. | ||
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
On January 09 2014 04:25 WaveofShadow wrote: Why was that game so unbelievably short? Also is there a reason why it being MYLO matters specifically? I don't think there should be any reason it's ok for town to hammer themselves really... The thing about town hammering themselves, is that at a non-LYLO situation there MIGHT be a reason for it. For example, if you KNOW you can't argue your way out, you've said what you needed to say, and the only way for discussion to move on is if you're dead. I can see it happen. Even if it's not what's best for town, if you THINK it's what's best for town, that's what matters-- you're playing to your wincon to the best of your abilities, including your ability to judge what the right move is. Just like a cop claiming on D2 for a bad reason isn't playing against his wincon, a self-hammer at the right time is fine. At MYLO, though, a self-hammer can ONLY instantly end the game in a loss for town unless you REALLY think town vigi and doctor or something are gonna save you. This can't be acceptable. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On January 09 2014 04:25 WaveofShadow wrote: Why was that game so unbelievably short? Instant majority makes for some short-ass days, and the night phases being silent and resolving more or less as soon as all the night actions were in helps. On January 09 2014 04:25 WaveofShadow wrote: I don't think there should be any reason it's ok for town to hammer themselves really... Disagree. Sometimes being confirmed town via flipping is more important that being alive. It shouldn't really be encouraged but it isn't inexcuseable. Plus Coag had the scumteam nailed and ostensibly believed that this was how he could prove himself right. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
But yeah the game being less than 50 pages is weird to me---I'm pretty sure all of the IM minis I've played were a fair amount longer. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
On January 09 2014 04:31 WaveofShadow wrote: I can see that I suppose. But yeah the game being less than 50 pages is weird to me---I'm pretty sure all of the IM minis I've played were a fair amount longer. The game had silent nights. Town hammered 7 hours into D1, 55 hours into D2, 2 hours into D3. This puts us at a total of 64 hours of gameplay, or about the length of a single Day + half a night in a normal 48/24 style game-- this is why the thread was short. The point to get at here is whether or not coag really didn't know it was MYLO, or whether or not he had an OBLIGATION to know it was MYLO (I believe he did have an obligation to know it was MYLO, which is why I brought this to the ban list thread). If people disagree with me on that, then that's fine. | ||
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
In any case yeah let's make it a formal request for a 1 game ban. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
sadly i was town also D: | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
On January 09 2014 04:40 marvellosity wrote: I remember coag self-hammering himself on omgus to get me lynched the next day which would be lylo sadly i was town also D: Yeah there are definitely times when self-hammer is a legitimate tactic (though ideally not one aimed at lynching a fellow townie). | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
Ignorance is rarely a defence against anything. Don't play mafia if you're not willing to try hard enough to understand when it is and isn't MYLO in an IML mini... | ||
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