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I have my eye on Koshi. Not only have his opening posts been as useful as a wet sack of dead flies, that scumhunting of his against SnB SnB is feeling uncomfortable. Not having the best start SnB? D: and some other posts have led to that bandwagon. A very not so justified wagon. further: On September 12 2013 20:19 Koshi wrote: Reasons are in the thread. SnB for the start + he hasn't given me a better target. WoS for general uselessness. Pandain for worst opening post. Goodkarma, not impressed. On September 12 2013 08:28 Koshi wrote: This looks so much like Sicilian. I am leading SnB wagon of justice and VA his scumbuddy is trying to protect him. Could it be? Or not? Who knows. See what happens in the next episode "when Koshi wakes up". for now ##Vote: Koshi gn SnB has very well given you a scumtarget in the form of VA. Now SnB and VA are not on my scumradar, they rather look like two butthurt townies. But I will look into them further. and lastly: On September 12 2013 13:35 kushm4sta wrote: honestly i dont even care if i get mislynched d1. d1 sucks azz anyway. /martyr If you want to help town, then how should this post be useful in anyway? | ||
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##Vote: Koshi And I will also look into Grack, don't like his posting. | ||
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On September 12 2013 21:07 Koshi wrote: @blubbdavid 1) Are you telling me that SnB said VA is scum? 2) The reason for my vote on SnB was not because those 2 little thingies you quoted. The reason why it is still on SnB is because. Oh looks like I confused him with papa. sry for that. But I still find it suspicious that you press on SnB so much because of because. The reason why it is still on SnB is because. What do you think about VA. | ||
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Koshi, Grack and Kush Koshi for aforementioned reasons. Kush for his valuable contributions. And Grack: On September 12 2013 14:31 Grackaroni wrote: 1Pandain came into the thread with a long constructed post but he didn't analyze shit. 2He gave out some town reads that agreed with town sentiment. 3His reasoning for S&B being town is absolute bull. (S&B saw Debears post in a newbie game currently in signups, HOW DOES THAT EQUATE TO S&B GOING OUTSIDE THE GAME AND LOOKING FOR MAFIA??) 4He writes to a whole lot of nothing about OP (why did you even include that if you've made no conclusion off of it? 5And to top it off he then says that me and kush are BAD players so we are the top lynch choices 6Now when I called him out on him being more interested in lynching people for being bad than scum he says that we should focus on lurkers. I don't believe that Pandain has any interest in hunting scum. ##Vote: Pandain I disagree here with points 1,3,4,5 1. wut 3. have you already made out of thread investigation, Grack? 4. wut 5. you two should be lynched because of scum behaviour, not because you are bad On September 12 2013 16:08 Grackaroni wrote: I thought that at first glance, but I have a hard time believing that when he ends his read on me with, I'm not sure if he's scum. What I read out of that post is that he is most interested in policy lynching the weaker players. Lets get real, Kush playing anti-town is nothing new from him. He does it as both alignments. If he doesn't start contributing, we vig him and we move on. Lynches should be used on players we can actually analyze. I've only been scum one time and I was called out immediately by syllogism for wanting to policy lynch someone I called a weaker player. I see pandain displaying similar behavior. Aside from that i think that scum generally come in the middle of the day with long constructed posts such as these, this one in particular gave very little analysis. After that he peaced out. WoS made a post like this as well but it was clear to me that he was actually trying to analyze my behavior. Defending your scum comrade much, leaving him to the vig, if there is one? On September 12 2013 16:49 Grackaroni wrote: Hey Koshi, since you're here what do you think of my case on Pandain? Can you expand upon your read beyond bad entrance. Hey scumrade, since you're here and in the scum QT anyway, why don't we press together against Pandain? Can you help me find more stuff so that it looks legit. | ||
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On September 12 2013 21:20 Koshi wrote: I am not lynching VA first day. Unless crazy happens. Fair enough. May I have your opinion on Grack? | ||
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On September 13 2013 00:53 Grackaroni wrote: There's not much to it, it's a non-contribution. I think if Pandain came in and gave some reasoning for why somebody people were supicous of was town then he would be adding something. If pandain was arguing I was scum why did he use the word "bad", and then say at the end I'm not sure if he's scum and then post a paragraph afterwards on policy lynching Kush. I interpreted it as grack sucks, he's not confident in his reads, etc - let's just get rid of him. I didn't comment on point 2 because I don't disagree with Grackaroni there. Pandain's townreads were mainstreamlined at that time. (or better: Pandain's townreads were similar to mine, so I had not too much reason to interfere) Point 6: Tbh I don't know myself why I didn't comment on this one, yes Grack seems to be wrong in this case. On September 13 2013 01:17 Grackaroni wrote: This to me seems like behavior that would come from a less experienced scum player, and his choice of lynch targets helps reinforce that view. 2/3 of my choice in lynchtargets weren't on the bandwagoning side, I chose you additionally because you tried to shoot down Paindain's big post pretty strongly. And no, that what I did wasn't cherry picking. More like your post on Panda was cherrypicking. | ||
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I am awaiting your analysis on me. | ||
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On September 13 2013 01:26 VayneAuthority wrote: blubbdavid I would like your opinion on what you think of my analysis, it will tell me a lot of your alignment. Ok so you pick a random person that is pretty much null to everyone in Koshi and decide to push him. ok great. but wait your entire case just consists of his posting is "bad" which isn't really indicative of anything, just your opinion. Also note that koshi plays way worse as town. You then go on to say that me and SnB just look like "butthurt" townies, perhaps trying to somehow gain some cred with us but then you leave us open to suspicion by saying "you will look into us later" wtf? then for good measure you throw in a bad kush quote and say that the posting is trash, well ok we all knew that. illusionary participation. I don't see how your analysis makes me lynchworthy. If I were scum, then I don't see how my actions should lead to anything that could be harmful to town. Now, you could say that I am bad scum, but consider that even a bad scum should have teammates who back him and lead him. And I have more confidence into my scum play than my town play. Picking koshi may seem random, I picked him because his posts rubbed me the wrong way and I didn't want to meddle with the SnB bandwagon then. Is this scummy? Well it could be scummy if SnB were scum. Koshi's push against SnB then was even less justified then my read on Koshi. You guys being "butthurt" (maybe a good phrasing sry) was my first glance opinion. I wanted to look into you guys later because first I wanted to get rid of my post against Koshi. I don't see how the kush quote is bad, him playing the martyr is not helpful. Does he really play Anti-town as town? Admittedly, I overlooked/forgot some things about Grack, but I don't see how this is scummy. And Grack, happy that you have a reason? | ||
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On September 13 2013 01:52 Sn0_Man wrote: So you are admitting that your VOTE on koshi wasn't justified at all? Yep, this guy is scum. PS NMM5 is a long-ass time ago lol Is Koshi's push minus justified, so that my Vote on Koshi, which is more justified, is not justified at all? math how does it werk I will answer your questions soon, rayn, didn't see them. | ||
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On September 13 2013 01:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: 1) Why did you not say clearly why you thought / think(?) Grackaroni is scum? 2) Why the retarded connection case? 3) Why exactly is Koshi scum? 1) I think Grack is scum because 1. his jumping at Panda, though that doesn't make for a very strong case, and 2. the retarded connection case. 2) The connection between Grack and kush? Because in another game I once defended my bad scumbuddy in the same manner as Grack did here, leaving it for the vig. Lets get real, Kush playing anti-town is nothing new from him. He does it as both alignments. If he doesn't start contributing, we vig him and we move on. Lynches should be used on players we can actually analyze. 3) On September 12 2013 07:23 Koshi wrote: How do you know I am town? ##vote StrongandBig SnB's post is not a scumslip. Koshi's unvoting really makes me more suspicious now, even though I sometimes was losing grip at Koshi's case. Atleast I am not giving up to peer pressure. | ||
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On September 12 2013 14:03 Pandain wrote: Ignore this post except for one key point I realized so we can stay on track of what matters: lurkers. Zealos's post doesn't mean anything I think; I think he was referring to his name in the mythical realm known as real life. Wouldn't make sense otherwise. Also kush I'll probably change from you, I was once the huge spammer too. I'll just ask you to step it up. and snoman how are your "let's lynch BD" anyhow useful. On September 13 2013 01:52 Sn0_Man wrote: So you are admitting that your VOTE on koshi wasn't justified at all? Yep, this guy is scum. PS NMM5 is a long-ass time ago lol This is wrong, as I stated before. Your suspicions come from that line and, as you earlier stated, that I am a bad scum/anti- town player? I want some more analysis and less fluff. Especially less fluff. | ||
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On September 13 2013 02:35 Koshi wrote: I think he meant himself. Not certain. lol. Yeah, I meant myself. Probably we are talking about different things, mind to repeat what you meant by "Retarded Connection case"? | ||
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On September 13 2013 02:38 Grackaroni wrote: @Blubbdavid, If onegu doesn't start playing then he is a solid vig shot as well. I've played with kush before and I doubt he is going to start playing at this point, but there's no way of reading him so it's a waste of a lynch. We don't use lynches on anti-town players we use them on scum players. If we pushed lynches on players such as kush who play anti-town regardless of alignment, then everybody would be in agreement and drop their vote on kush and we would have no information for day2 You are the only player I can remember arguing that kush is likely scum. Everybody else is voting for kush as a policy. To punish kush for playing the way he does and to discourage him from playing like that again in future games. Well, I haven't played with kush before so I don't know. Furthermore, to get more light on your business, I think it's time to inquire Pandain, who has not contributed much. We were all focused too much on Pandain's big entry post. | ||
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well, happy bd btw | ||
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On September 13 2013 04:31 Sn0_Man wrote: Alright, Panda managed to reveal that he's trying to find blue players, that he wants today's lynch to not be aiming for scum, that trying to lynch him "seems townie", and that the only reasoning against blubbers is "gut". Anybody see anything remotely townie in there? I do not know why you don't like that his reasonings against me is "gut", I mean you think that I am scum through gut feeling, but at the same time call the cattle black. Your reasonings aren't any better. | ||
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I don't have a read on Panda atm. | ||
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On September 13 2013 01:59 blubbdavid wrote: Is Koshi's push minus justified, so that my Vote on Koshi, which is more justified, is not justified at all? math how does it werk I will answer your questions soon, rayn, didn't see them. You mean this post? I quoted? With your 4 reasons? I see three lines. The first line is wrong. I never said that my vote on koshi is unjustified. The second line is not a reason. The third line is not a reason. So of your 4 reasons, two do not classify as such, 1 is wrong, and 1 is non-existant. Do you even read what you write? Well, anyhow, in one case you are right, I have to go back scumhunting, been on the defense for too long. | ||
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On September 13 2013 05:22 Sn0_Man wrote: This is where you quoted my 4 simple reasons for pandain being scum. Oh, I thought 4 reasons about me. Welp my fault. Still you do not have reasons against me. | ||
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Maybe his reads are right, but I find that first post bad. Reasons are given by PS and Grack after Pandain posted it. If Panda's reads could be right, but the post is bad, how does the badness of that post outweigh the accuracy of Panda's reads? | ||
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Time to wait for WoS and see how OP reacts. | ||
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I think that rayn's case on SnB is not sufficient and that SnB is not a high priority lynch candidate. Furthermore, Koshi also wants to see SnB and since I distrust Koshi atm... Since it seems like noone is jumping on my Koshi wagon, I will be down to lynch the following (in no particular order): -Onegu (low priority): Last choice candidate, since we won't get any info whatsoever if we kill him -Kush(low priority): Kush's concerns are right that if he flips town it will be useless for town, and since he is not jumping on my wagon, which could be easily done I give him some credit -Zealos (high priority): Has only two useful posts, and both are in favor of people who I find suspicious -goodkarma/Umasi (medium priority): Neither gk's nor Umasi's post are very contributing, I think Umasi is trying to jump on my wagon since it is the easiest thing to do for a newcomer scum, and since there is not much time left anyway. So I will be down for lynching Zealos/Umasi and will adjust my vote depending on the answers I get ##Unvote for now | ||
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The only thing I could hold against him is that he wants to see Panda dead. | ||
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Voting for Zealos now. ##Vote: Zealos | ||
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On September 13 2013 23:14 Koshi wrote: bubbles = blubb Meh, I think I want to lynch blubb or SnB. Feel free to lynch SnB, that way you will get more info. I won't support it, but also don't want to defend him. | ||
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On September 13 2013 23:41 Koshi wrote: You keep saying that you don't want to meddle with the SnB lynch. WHY? I don't see much scumworthy in his postings. That's why. On September 13 2013 23:44 Papa_Smurf wrote: ##vote blubb My above post shows some pretty dang scummy thought process.he literally doesnt care about someone else getting oynched over his scum read in zealos If I were scum I would be shipping SnB or kush now, hoping for an easy kill. Instead I am on my own hopeless island. Analysis of Zealos: On September 12 2013 20:55 Zealos wrote: Well, Kush is pretty much a non read. Either a mad Mafia or a Mad town. I think it's better to see how he acts in the next day, in the light of this one. This post just seems to agree with the general sentiment on Kush, him being anti-townie. Trying to blend in? On September 12 2013 21:27 Zealos wrote: I was gonna say that Koshi was the most useless filler post material ever, but I quite like how he posts towards the end of the day. Koshi at that time was meddling with rayn ("We are on different planets today rayn.") Not taking a real stance on him. We all know that they are best buddies now ("rayn & Koshi powa is back!"). Has he entered a spacecraft? I don't want to suspect rayn now because those buddying postings all come from Koshi's side. Coincidentally Koshi already has SnB in his eye early because of that guys early posting. Now as you can see, rayn-koshi-zealous are on the snb ship, and the have already touched eachother lightly in little banter. This brings us to zealous next post (after an Isaac fluff post): On September 13 2013 21:54 Zealos wrote: And I like the point you bring up against SnB. I think it is probably the best lead to go by so far. The rest of his postings are all against Zealous, without any analysis whatsoever. Don't you find that suspicious, Papa? tldr why is zealous almost blindly following the rayn/koshi on the snb train? Satisfied Papa? | ||
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On September 14 2013 00:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: 1) Are you saying town!Zealos cannot make "kush is a non-read, give him more time" read? How does that makes Zealos scum? Why does Zealos look worse compared to other people who have the same read on kush? 2) So me and Koshi voting for same target makes the target town and everyone joining the wagon scum? How? Do not make those retarded connection cases because it makes you look dumb or scummy. Even if me/Koshi/both is scum it doesn't tell anything about Zealos' alignment. He agrees with my case, what's wrong with it? 3) Can you tell me why the case on SnB does not make him scum? What reason does he have to lie about his meta on me as town? What reason does he have to make a post where he reaches no conclus ion on anything he talks about at the time other people are calling me scummy/bad? 1) Zealos so far has only talked about Kush, Koshi and SnB. His post on Kush strikes me as a complete filler post, as I said trying to blend in. In another post he is talking about how d1 is a clusterfuck and so. Useless filler. 2) He agrees on your case after taking a glance in the thread and doesn't mention me or kush (who are candidates). Why doesn't he take stance on other cases and immediately agrees with you cuz "is probably the best lead to go by so far"? And me and kush are not suspicious? 3) SnB has started to post against you when you were suspicious of OP. Why should he try to bring down your credibility when you weren't a real danger for scum (as noone really cared about OP)? Yes, he may have some fetish with that meta bullcrap and may be wrong on that, but from a scum side of view it doesn't make sense at all. All it brought him is that people are now against us. Papa, what is your stance on SnB? Are you trying to push me on the pyre for a lynch so that SnB, if he is scum, doesn't have to die? since atm snb and me are both death candidates. I guess rayn would also be interested in that. | ||
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2) It is ok that he agrees with reasons. But you must take a look at the silent evidence: Thus far Zealos has not contributed anything useful, not even to SnB's case. Some of us even want(ed) to shoot him because of his lurking. Now, if he were a townie, why doesn't he step up and compensate his absence with some good analysis and reads? Instead, he takes the easy way. I really want to know what he thinks about me. 3) Mind to repost the implied lines, so that we don't get confused? I am pretty neutral on SnB and if you and Koshi want to lynch him, go ahead. On the other hand it is just inexcusable for Zealos to hop on the wagon and contribute nothing after a long time lurking. I am repeating myself. Still want to know papa's stance on SnB. | ||
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On September 14 2013 00:48 Oatsmaster wrote: HIII im not lynching zealos havent read snb's filter. Dont really wanna lynch kush Wanna lynch blubbdavid and uhh The Panther Lynch SnB, not me, I don't wanna die. And I am actually contributing somewhat. | ||
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On September 14 2013 01:05 Oatsmaster wrote: ok snb's case is bad, dunno if it makes him scum. I still wanna lynch blubbdavid for being like blendy and stuff. His push on Koshi is really newb town or scum. And his next post is bad too, calling out Grack for nothing really. Lol, I may be bad and confused and stuff, but not blendy. NOT BLENDY. My case on Koshi, Grack (where some people agreed with me) and Zealos are pioneering work. And I am calling Zealos out because of that wagonhopping and non-contributions of his. My own views on SnB don't matter in this case. @rayn I will vote for SnB if it is required. | ||
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I have an honest question: Are there townies sacrifice themselves for the greater good? And Zealous, I want some stuff from you, about SnB, OP and Papa Smurf. | ||
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srsly I don't want to lynch SnB, but I don't wanna die myself. What to do, what to do. Lynch Zealos! | ||
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On September 14 2013 01:27 Oatsmaster wrote: Why do you like him, and why is making long posts townie? Blubb, vote for OP! weeellll it could be an option. Maybe a better one than lynching SnB. But remember I am egoistical, so I will do whatever averts my death. tbh I haven't really thought about OP's posts because I find them hard to read, will skim through them though. | ||
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On September 14 2013 01:34 Oatsmaster wrote: I did address it. I thought it was sufficient since you turned away from me and onwards OP.What. What. What. This isnt an RPG. 'Egoistical' isnt a trait. I You should probably stop telling me to vote for zealous without addressing my earlier stuff on you and him. | ||
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On September 14 2013 01:42 Papa_Smurf wrote: Op is a fourth wagon. We have only 5 hours left and limited knowldge of who will be here before lynch. Bettwr to concentrate on the 3 main candidates at hand Yes, let's concentrate, and you may very well start with it. What do you think of SnB? On September 14 2013 01:40 Oatsmaster wrote: This isnt addressing. All the shit you are pointing out from Koshi and Zealous and Grack are all like non alignment indicative. Yeah sure all the stuff you pointed out scum do, BUT TOWN DO TO. You wanting to vote for SnB to save yourself even though you dont really think he is scum is scummy cause if town die, its not as big a deal for them as scum dying. If I really was scum I could have made it much, much, fucking much more easier for me. Then I wouldn't even have started with Zealos. Or do you think that both me and SnB are scum? And we are trying to evaluate who to sacrifice? Rly? btw a little tip oats: look out for papa smurf | ||
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On September 14 2013 01:51 Oatsmaster wrote: What? So you wouldve played more blendy as scum is that what you are saying? Yes. I am alone with my case on Zealos. Is it justified? Koshi's investigation (i didn't make out of thread investigation on zealos admittedly) has shed some light on Zealos usual posting so maybe his bandwagoning comes from sheer laziness and not scumminess but I dunno. I will post some things about OP and Koshi, papa is the #1 advocate of my death besides sno, do you really think that we both could be scum? my read on VA is townish | ||
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On September 13 2013 23:44 Papa_Smurf wrote: ##vote blubb My above post shows some pretty dang scummy thought process.he literally doesnt care about someone else getting oynched over his scum read in zealos Take note that this put me on the hot seat. and here the post he refers to: On September 13 2013 23:37 Papa_Smurf wrote: Aren't you supposed to be summoning people to your zealos lynch with well thought analysis instead of randomly commenting on the SnB lynch that you don't care about it? After that I did an analysis on Zealos to satisfy papa. | ||
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- Zealos is not useful - Having this many lurkers in d2 is not useful that's why lurker lynches may be justified. (But now with the return of Onegu/Oats, the lurker deadweight danger has a bit diminished.= What I find scummy: -him saying Grack being a parrot of rayn -his general pushing against Grack. It's his only non-policy lynch option, his policy lynches being Onegu/Oats, kush and Zealos -He says that a lynch on kush shall reveal something, but rly at that point noone seems really to be pro/anti kush (except for me and Panda (anti) and maybe Grack (pro)). @oats But I have revised my views on Grack and kush, if you didn't see that. -He really wants to see kush dead, and by policy. Is he trying to hide behind policy? Note that papa and OP were trying to push kush. Rly this all stands or falls on Zealos, who may just be bad and lazy instead of scummy. If that is the case then OP can become a candidate. | ||
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On September 14 2013 02:19 Umasi wrote: Still not caught up fwiw. Why would you do something to satisfy anyone? Also iPod posting sucks. Because papa was correct that I hadn't post anything meaningful against Zealos at that point and it is very well his right to demand some more from me. | ||
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On September 14 2013 02:20 Koshi wrote: Rayn I want to lynch blubb. I think him and papa smurf are scummers. Wait. There is a disconnect. If I slip scum, then you think papa must be scum too? And if I flip town, what then? Maybe Papa is trying to protect SnB by making me bait. Papa still hasn't posted his stance on SnB and I suggest you, Koshi, to wait till we have that info. | ||
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Cmon Umasi, I bet it will be easier for town if we cooperate and deliver, and I delivered analysis. It is nothing bad. | ||
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##Vote: strongandbig Else I die. | ||
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On September 14 2013 02:49 Zealos wrote: After all that time is this the only defense you can muster up? And the least active player at that time was Onegu/Oats.I'm pretty sure "starting on" the least active player in the game is a safe bet as scum, just saying~ Also, pls guys, my name is above my posts and at the start of the game. ZEALOS /=/ Zealous : D | ||
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On September 14 2013 03:01 Grackaroni wrote: What do you mean legit targets? I'm confused, you mean because I'm arguing that they are good targets? If you think somebody else is scum you should vote them and push them vocally. Not wait for somebody else to push someone and then hide behind the fact that I'm pushing them. @Umasi I did see your post but I'm going to class in 15 minutes and I need more time to make up my mind. I'll get back to you. Yes you are right, but I don't want to see my vote to go to waste now that I am in real threat of being eliminated. In a fight between life and death you have to be pragmatic. | ||
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Koshi, your vote is still on SnB and I advise you to leave it there till Papa/debears steps up. @VA, how much are you suspicious of rayn? Btw I only have that vote on SnB because there are no better alternatives for me atm. Maybe OP. | ||
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Mr Idontanalyseorreadanythingbutblubbersisscumcuzjustbecause. You will stand there like an idiot after I flip town I assure you. @VA, what is your opinion on the case of OP. | ||
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But at the same time I think he is wrong on SnB. Look at this post in desert: + Show Spoiler + On August 31 2013 04:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: Please read my case and pages 8-10 of the game: Same aggressivity as here. But in the end it turns out that both the suspect and rayn are town. The case on SnB is losing credibility to me. Well, the following decision has nagged on me the whole evening, ever since Oats came in. I will go all-in on OP. ##Vote: Old Partner Now if I stand or fall entirely is up to you guys. Don't trust Papa. And sno prolly town, albeit a bad one. Taking a short walk with the dog, I have to get fresh air. | ||
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On September 14 2013 05:21 kushm4sta wrote: I dont wanna lynch OP! even though he wants to plynch me he seems so solid Could you explain this Panda? At that time he was against me. Was it to secure the kill on me? | ||
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On September 14 2013 06:55 Pandain wrote: I don't know there's a chance Zealos is blue. There's too much I don't know. I haven't looked at his prior games either really. Those look pretty much the same. And sadly that is not helpful. | ||
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Atleast I didn't mindlessly lynch SnB. gg | ||
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